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pretty solid list, it's quite hard comparing now with the separated scenes. Especially for example PL beasts against players in WCS EU or NA.
Despite that i think hero doesn't belong, i wasn't impressed at all by his win it was more a total dissapointment how bad WCS NA was in general. Kind of the same goes for MVP and WCS EU. To me it feels like getting into premier league WCS KR is even harder than winning the hole thing in EU or NA, that may of course be a bit of an exageration but i don't think it's that far off.
I'd put Life at #5 still as well, just because he dropped from the group of death and thus didn't get to show much it's not making him worse. He could as well be #1 still, it's just really hard to judge someone when they drop out of WCS a bit earlier and don't play in PL. (i don't care much for GSTL)
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Innovation #1 purely because Terran standard play >> Zerg standard play.
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Kespa players already everywhere. :/
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Glad to see the power rank make it's return ! Love the write-up ! Keep it coming please!
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I like the PowerRank Format, it is certainly different from other rankings because it not only takes measurable data like results, wins, etc, but also that "style"-factor (or how well a player played) into account. I hope it will continue like this, not like some of the heavily biased ones in the Broodwar-past, like the "please loose" comment on Nal_rA and Sea mysteriously claiming the No1-spot out of nowhere, without any results - if you don't count playing in TL Attack as result...
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Im glad Hero got there. More deserved than MVP. He looked way too shaky on his overall road to victory. While Hero looked dominant. Maybe not the best korean opponents, but championship material at any tournament outside Korea. While MVP is a matter of skill, which is good right now but not his best, Hero's is a matter of emotions, because we know he can beat anyone when he is calm and focused.
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France9034 Posts
On June 05 2013 22:21 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 22:04 Ragnarork wrote:On June 05 2013 21:44 Big J wrote:
So, based upon which evidence do we have that powerrank? Some guys drinking a beer and making a list?
It looks pretty arbitrary at this point apart from #1 and #2. When will people understand this IS arbitrary ? You completely have the right to disagree ! But better bring solid arguments then. Well, the only arguments for number 3 and number 4 on this list are: "they do amazingly in proleague". And then you go to the arguments for number 1 and then add "unless they have to face someone that is actually a highcaliber player himself". Well, Keen is rocking GSTL as well and has been in the last Code S and will be in the next one as well. That doesn't mean I think Keen should be on the list and number 3 and 4 not, but at this point, putting them over players who have achieved much more in Starcraft 2 and the last GSL but don't participate in proleague because they are on eSF like Symbol or Life (and do well in their respective teamleague - GSTL) and have been toplevel players for much, much longer is just blind fanboyism. And disregards anybody who doesn't play proleague.
And doing amazingly well in Proleague is meaningless ? I doubt many people would agree...
Well, Keen is rocking GSTL, or sort of : I mean, all killing NSH isn't quite the same feat as all-killing CJ Entus or even EG-TL (imo) in Proleague, but it gives a nice boost to wincount. Otherwise, he went out of GSL 2012 Season 5 in the Ro32, same for this season... while Soulkey and Inno are already ahead (Soulkey already made 2 Ro8 and a title, INnoVatioN a finals, a Ro8 and a Ro4...), with strong runs, sOs already made a Ro4, RorO won the last GSL and got another Ro8 appearance, Symbol another Ro4 which adds up to a long list of strong results recently, PartinG a few Ro8, etc. Only HerO imo is debatable...
Power rank isn't about a whole career achievement (even on that, KeeN hasn't achieved as much..., only a Ro8, though he's been there consistently and for a long time), but recent results/showing (what was won, and how).
As an example, Life is a very high caliber player, but can you show what did he accomplished over the last month - 2 months period ?
I do agree that some players don't get the same exposure because they do not compete in Proleague, but Proleague has far more matches between teams of players that prepare quite exclusively for it, and you can't deny that it brings a lot to the table when comparing players (while GSTL for example has much less matches, and a team like NSH kind of drags down the level, although, do not misinterpret, there are excellent teams in the GSTL, but less focused on the team league format than proleague teams...).
So no, it's not fanboyism. You must remember what the PR is based on (hint : it doesn't really care about GSL Open Seasons, but rather about really recent events) and not overrate unecessarily GSTL over proleague, that's ridiculous.
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On June 05 2013 21:21 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 21:13 Ragnarork wrote:On June 05 2013 21:08 Lysanias wrote:
Welcome back Power rank ! :D
First things first Soulkey to me has proven that his mentality is stronger then that of Innovation, i supose with the proleague results counted in Innovation still got the better overall results. But this weekend i feel Soulkey again can beat Innovation but this time more convincingly.
Well, INno road to the finals was more impressive though... Roflstomping Life, RorO, beating convincingly Flash and Symbol. When you compare to Soulkey who looked a bit shaky and not that dominant in his own way... But true, Soulkey had better nerves in the finals. True that he did, but Innovation is hardly the only one looking impressive until the finals hit, Squirtle looked scary as hell to and look what happend when MVP beat him and the hype past on. (Squirtle is still a great player ofc) Such is the way in Starcraft you will have to win in the end. And Innovation better do so this weekend if not, he's not worthy of the number 1 spot. He might play the best but his mentality is not the best (currently), a true number 1 has both  Innovation sure has better results in Proleague, so it makes sense in the end if we look at the full picture. I will save this for next month when Soulkey simply wins this Weekend.
A true number one is just someone thats better than the other numbers, there is no sacred rule.
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Great, thanks for sharing  I agree with this ranking.
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Omfg thank you sweet Zombie Jesus. THANK YOU FOR SC2 POWER RANKING!
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On June 05 2013 22:50 alukarD wrote:
Im glad Hero got there. More deserved than MVP. He looked way too shaky on his overall road to victory. While Hero looked dominant. Maybe not the best korean opponents, but championship material at any tournament outside Korea. While MVP is a matter of skill, which is good right now but not his best, Hero's is a matter of emotions, because we know he can beat anyone when he is calm and focused.
Mvp was a matter of serious injury which seems to be fixed now.(or at least we hear less about it) He barely could play for a time and lost his passion for a while because of that. Nerves and mental state are also part of the job so i don't think you can simply gloss over it and say "well its just emotions, he can beat anyone when calm" Oh and except 1 bo3 against Lucifron Mvp dominated WCS europe so while i have no watched WCS America, i doubt very much Hero dominated harder considering the results.
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On June 05 2013 23:06 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 22:50 alukarD wrote:
Im glad Hero got there. More deserved than MVP. He looked way too shaky on his overall road to victory. While Hero looked dominant. Maybe not the best korean opponents, but championship material at any tournament outside Korea. While MVP is a matter of skill, which is good right now but not his best, Hero's is a matter of emotions, because we know he can beat anyone when he is calm and focused. Mvp was a matter of serious injury which seems to be fixed now.(or at least we hear less about it) He barely could play for a time and lost his passion for a while because of that. Nerves and mental state are also part of the job so i don't think you can simply gloss over it and say "well its just emotions, he can beat anyone when calm" Oh and except 1 bo3 against Lucifron Mvp dominated WCS europe so while i have no watched WCS America, i doubt very much Hero dominated harder considering the results.
Mvp hasn't done anything in addition to winning WCS EU, whereas HerO won WCS AM and has been doing pretty well in Proleague. The opponents in PL are generally much harder than WCS AM/EU, so I think this deserves a fair amount if consideration.
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Germany87 Posts
Losira or Kangho (whatevr) did'nt impress me for a looooooooooong time and i've been watching like 95% of all GSL and GSTL games since the very begining. Lately he feels more like a super fast almost too hectic Zerg that is just spamming Zerglings. idk ... i cant feel the hype arround him these days. So yeah, I'm totally fine with him not being mentioned in PR. If the list was longer, maybe up to rank 15 I'm not even sure if he would be in there.
Hero on 10 is totally fine and he deserves it so bad! He is kicking aZZ and not just here and there. Since the fist game he has played in GSTL under the oGs flag on Xelnaga caverns i knew he would become the 7th dragon if you know what im talking about! Hero is out of some special material, you cant deny that!
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...but Soulkey just won the GSL and had an awesome run this month. How?
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On June 05 2013 23:30 momotaro wrote:
...but Soulkey just won the GSL and had an awesome run this month. How?
Read.
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Are we gonna see this embedded on the side of the site like the BW one by any chance?
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i think waxangel should have done this because he runs unofficial global champion (UGC) and he therefore obviously understands that the player who wins is better
he understands that soulkey beat innovation beat symbol and symbol might have beaten sos since he took two games off innovation and soulkey barely beat parting who lost to roro who lost to innovation and kangho beat bomber but lost to sos who lost to soulkey, and kangho barely lost to sos so it should be assumed hes slightly worse and parting should be above symbol and below roro since he also took two games off of soulkey but lost to roro later
so we know therefore that the top 8 of the spots are
soulkey
innovation
sybmol
sos
kangho
roro
parting
bomber
and then for nine and ten we should have the eu and then the murica champions snice they both had to beat decent players to win and eu has obviously better and more koreans then murica except murica was easy and koreans wanted to play there because they like lag
so the full list is:
soulkey
innovation
sybmol
sos
kangho
roro
parting
bomber
mvp
hero
easy peasy
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On June 05 2013 12:07 snakeeyez wrote:
I would ask though why is immvp not higher considering he is arguably the most accomplished player in SC 2 and even recently made EU wcs.
I do think proleague has the highest level games now, and the top kespa players are the best at SC 2 now.
I would hazard this is your first real power-rank. Power-rank is kind of an melding of the past few months of results. The past month is given the most weight (If I had to put some real rough numbers on it say 60% past month, 30% month before 10% two months before). Generally you look at the previous power-rank, see how those people have done this month, move them up or down based on that.
MVP may be the most accomplished player in SC2, but he isn't anywhere near the top of the heap in the last three months. WCS EU isn't exactly representative of the strongest competition.
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Russian Federation1613 Posts
I like how this ranking are based by Proleague results and awesome games by player overall rather than individual league results.  INnoVation is above everybody in quality of his games!
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On June 05 2013 23:47 Jenia6109 wrote:I like how this ranking are based by Proleague results and awesome games by player overall rather than individual league results. INnoVation is above everybody in quality of his games!
yeah because life and symbol play in proleague
and TY is in there
dude freaking read the article
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