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Posted the following on the feedback page
This is, overall, really really good! It's sleek, and professional, and just neat. Most of the things I'm about to bring up are relatively minor, but would also go a long way.. 1. There doesn't seem to be a "search" box. I wanted to look up Scarlett's profile, and had to guess the URL for it. 2. A player's profile shows their race, country, rank, and points, but nothing happens if I click on them. It would be nice if, for instance, I could click on the Zerg icon on Scarlett's page, and see a ranking of Zerg in the WCS, or how Zerg are doing in WCS, or even just the info page explaining what "Zerg" are from the SC2 site. Similarly, clicking on the Canada flag should show me all the Canadian's, etc. 3. The results at the bottom of the main page contain links to the relevant VODs. This is fantastic. However, it's not obvious that clicking on the score brings up the VOD. There should perhaps be an icon, or at least a "Click on score for VOD" notice. (If I go to the brackets page, by comparison, there is an icon) 4. Some of the VODs don't work or display anything. Example: http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/m... 5. Is it possible to get a "Spoiler-free" option? I get that this is intended as a news and results portal, but I'd like to be able to go here to watch all the games instead of a bunch of different web sites for GOM, MLG, etc. 6. The autoplaying video on the front page got old FAST. Please disable autoplay, or at least have it start muted. I was also surprised to load the page on my mobile and instantly have a stream playing. I wasn't on wi-fi on the time, and auto-playing streams can be dangerous to my capped bandwidth 3G plan. Though, again, these are relatively minor concerns, and the site as a whole is really good.
It feels a little unfinished, but I think it's already sick town, and may become sick city if Blizz polishes the functionality just a tiny bit more.
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On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".
They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort. If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX. Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia.
They are copying Liquipedia not linking to it and their bracket looks less organized and spread over too much space compared to the stuff which the TL guys make.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2013_WCS
I have this page open all the time and it is perfect, because it shows upcoming broadcasts a few days ahead of time and you can click on everything to find the relevant stuff. "Casuals being scared of TL" only works if those casuals are looking for a Forum, but this isnt the case here ... they are looking for information on the state of WCS and broadcasts. The Liquipedia page is much more organized. Anything else is just a wasted effort, because its quality wont be as good.
Blizzard can make their portal as a "broadcast & VOD central", but they should just save the effort of making brackets and lists, because Liquipedia does it better. They should just pay the guys a little extra for stuff they do anyways ... which would probably cost Blizzard less in the end.
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Very Attractive and well done layout for the page. Seems Like a very solid job. GJ Blizz
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On June 05 2013 14:28 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".
They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort. If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX. Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia. They are copying Liquipedia not linking to it and their bracket looks less organized and spread over too much space compared to the stuff which the TL guys make. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2013_WCSI have this page open all the time and it is perfect, because it shows upcoming broadcasts a few days ahead of time and you can click on everything to find the relevant stuff. "Casuals being scared of TL" only works if those casuals are looking for a Forum, but this isnt the case here ... they are looking for information on the state of WCS and broadcasts. The Liquipedia page is much more organized. Anything else is just a wasted effort, because its quality wont be as good. Blizzard can make their portal as a "broadcast & VOD central", but they should just save the effort of making brackets and lists, because Liquipedia does it better. They should just pay the guys a little extra for stuff they do anyways ... which would probably cost Blizzard less in the end.
Blizzard excerpts the liquipedia bios, crediting the site and provides a link. I don't know what more you want. Also I wouldn't consider myself a casual fan and I never seen the liquipedia WCS portal. So it's far from as simple as you make it sound.
And why shouldn't blizzard create their own brackets and schedules. Even if other sites do it better, you can't just rely on 3rd parties to do everything for you. You should be responsible for your own product. Should the NBA quit doing a website even though you could say that ESPN covers the sport better?
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On June 05 2013 14:28 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".
They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort. If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX. Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia. They are copying Liquipedia not linking to it and their bracket looks less organized and spread over too much space compared to the stuff which the TL guys make. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2013_WCSI have this page open all the time and it is perfect, because it shows upcoming broadcasts a few days ahead of time and you can click on everything to find the relevant stuff. "Casuals being scared of TL" only works if those casuals are looking for a Forum, but this isnt the case here ... they are looking for information on the state of WCS and broadcasts. The Liquipedia page is much more organized. Anything else is just a wasted effort, because its quality wont be as good. Blizzard can make their portal as a "broadcast & VOD central", but they should just save the effort of making brackets and lists, because Liquipedia does it better. They should just pay the guys a little extra for stuff they do anyways ... which would probably cost Blizzard less in the end.
The TL Portal is absolutely atrocious when it comes to UI and usability. Completely ignoring the issues of being a Wiki where the sidebars and topbars are filled with links to non-WCS information, the TL WCS Portal has a topbar for tournament info, links in the middle for schedule, links in the middle for standings, links at the bottom for specific tournaments...it reminds me very much of staring at an airport flight schedule.
It's a terrible resource for a one-stop easy navigation site, but a good resource for an RSS-feed style "keep me updated constantly without making me change pages".
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A spoiler-free option would be awesome and I would like a list of recently played groups - or matches. Basically what GomTV has, because I haven't found anything like it for WCS EU and AM.
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App Name for Iphone?
"wcs" has too many hits and wcs portal or wcs starcraft has nothing...
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On June 05 2013 22:33 Big-t wrote:
App Name for Iphone?
"wcs" has too many hits and wcs portal or wcs starcraft has nothing...
It's a website.
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On June 05 2013 22:49 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 22:33 Big-t wrote:
App Name for Iphone?
"wcs" has too many hits and wcs portal or wcs starcraft has nothing... It's a website.
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On June 05 2013 07:13 WillS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 06:15 Plansix wrote:On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".
They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort. If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX. Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia. Shhhhhh quite, don't confuse Rabiator with facts and logic. Also, the website looks awesome on both my phone and work PC. Its got a good, clean design and I like the sections per region. Would you not agree that the overall quality and range of different types of the content on the site seem unfinished? Rabiator: Personally I've never had a problem finding the content that I want to view on TL. Is it just the fidelity of the design that you are talking about or is there something else?
Content on websites is built up over time and all sites are unfinished in some way or another. As WCS moves forward, the site will have things added and refined. My main concern with the site is that it is flexible, able to support several formats for information and is easy to get around. Content can be added as Blizzard and its production staff see how people use the site.
In general, it is better to release a robust, flexible site, see how people use it and then add things. Trying to predict what people want can lead to a lot of wasted time and effort on features people may never use.
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On June 05 2013 15:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 14:28 Rabiator wrote:On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".
They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort. If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX. Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia. They are copying Liquipedia not linking to it and their bracket looks less organized and spread over too much space compared to the stuff which the TL guys make. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2013_WCSI have this page open all the time and it is perfect, because it shows upcoming broadcasts a few days ahead of time and you can click on everything to find the relevant stuff. "Casuals being scared of TL" only works if those casuals are looking for a Forum, but this isnt the case here ... they are looking for information on the state of WCS and broadcasts. The Liquipedia page is much more organized. Anything else is just a wasted effort, because its quality wont be as good. Blizzard can make their portal as a "broadcast & VOD central", but they should just save the effort of making brackets and lists, because Liquipedia does it better. They should just pay the guys a little extra for stuff they do anyways ... which would probably cost Blizzard less in the end. The TL Portal is absolutely atrocious when it comes to UI and usability. Completely ignoring the issues of being a Wiki where the sidebars and topbars are filled with links to non-WCS information, the TL WCS Portal has a topbar for tournament info, links in the middle for schedule, links in the middle for standings, links at the bottom for specific tournaments...it reminds me very much of staring at an airport flight schedule. It's a terrible resource for a one-stop easy navigation site, but a good resource for an RSS-feed style "keep me updated constantly without making me change pages".
I love Liquipedia, but the WCS pages are the opposite of "one-stop easy navigation". I personally like the sections that link to nothing or how it is impossible to find broadcast times(that don't required you to figure out which time zone it is and then convert to yours), or for upcoming matches.
The argument that Blizzard shouldn't have their own website for their world wide tournament is beyond flawed and flat out wrong. It is their event, they are going to host their own site, built by their people with their content.
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On June 05 2013 23:16 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 15:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 05 2013 14:28 Rabiator wrote:On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".
They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort. If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX. Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia. They are copying Liquipedia not linking to it and their bracket looks less organized and spread over too much space compared to the stuff which the TL guys make. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2013_WCSI have this page open all the time and it is perfect, because it shows upcoming broadcasts a few days ahead of time and you can click on everything to find the relevant stuff. "Casuals being scared of TL" only works if those casuals are looking for a Forum, but this isnt the case here ... they are looking for information on the state of WCS and broadcasts. The Liquipedia page is much more organized. Anything else is just a wasted effort, because its quality wont be as good. Blizzard can make their portal as a "broadcast & VOD central", but they should just save the effort of making brackets and lists, because Liquipedia does it better. They should just pay the guys a little extra for stuff they do anyways ... which would probably cost Blizzard less in the end. The TL Portal is absolutely atrocious when it comes to UI and usability. Completely ignoring the issues of being a Wiki where the sidebars and topbars are filled with links to non-WCS information, the TL WCS Portal has a topbar for tournament info, links in the middle for schedule, links in the middle for standings, links at the bottom for specific tournaments...it reminds me very much of staring at an airport flight schedule. It's a terrible resource for a one-stop easy navigation site, but a good resource for an RSS-feed style "keep me updated constantly without making me change pages". I love Liquipedia, but the WCS pages are the opposite of "one-stop easy navigation". I personally like the sections that link to nothing or how it is impossible to find broadcast times(that don't required you to figure out which time zone it is and then convert to yours), or for upcoming matches. The argument that Blizzard shouldn't have their own website for their world wide tournament is beyond flawed and flat out wrong. It is their event, they are going to host their own site, built by their people with their content.
Which sections link to nothing? Also, there's a countdown for each event, so if you think it's impossible to find when matches are then you're clearly not trying.
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Nice, but it should be linked from many places so people can find it easily. Took me a while to find it today again
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On June 06 2013 00:27 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 23:16 Plansix wrote:On June 05 2013 15:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 05 2013 14:28 Rabiator wrote:On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".
They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort. If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX. Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia. They are copying Liquipedia not linking to it and their bracket looks less organized and spread over too much space compared to the stuff which the TL guys make. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2013_WCSI have this page open all the time and it is perfect, because it shows upcoming broadcasts a few days ahead of time and you can click on everything to find the relevant stuff. "Casuals being scared of TL" only works if those casuals are looking for a Forum, but this isnt the case here ... they are looking for information on the state of WCS and broadcasts. The Liquipedia page is much more organized. Anything else is just a wasted effort, because its quality wont be as good. Blizzard can make their portal as a "broadcast & VOD central", but they should just save the effort of making brackets and lists, because Liquipedia does it better. They should just pay the guys a little extra for stuff they do anyways ... which would probably cost Blizzard less in the end. The TL Portal is absolutely atrocious when it comes to UI and usability. Completely ignoring the issues of being a Wiki where the sidebars and topbars are filled with links to non-WCS information, the TL WCS Portal has a topbar for tournament info, links in the middle for schedule, links in the middle for standings, links at the bottom for specific tournaments...it reminds me very much of staring at an airport flight schedule. It's a terrible resource for a one-stop easy navigation site, but a good resource for an RSS-feed style "keep me updated constantly without making me change pages". I love Liquipedia, but the WCS pages are the opposite of "one-stop easy navigation". I personally like the sections that link to nothing or how it is impossible to find broadcast times(that don't required you to figure out which time zone it is and then convert to yours), or for upcoming matches. The argument that Blizzard shouldn't have their own website for their world wide tournament is beyond flawed and flat out wrong. It is their event, they are going to host their own site, built by their people with their content. Which sections link to nothing? Also, there's a countdown for each event, so if you think it's impossible to find when matches are then you're clearly not trying.
I agree with Plansix, it's ridiculously bad trying to find specific match times. The front page is fairly specific with upcoming matches, alright. Then I click on Full Schedule. I'm brought to a page that is filled with a May schedule...okay, no one has updated that, that's excusable.
I expand the June info. It's completely generic. It shows the time, it has a generic label like "Finals" or "Group D", which tells me nothing unless I already know the players in the group. I click on "Group Stage: Group F" under Korea. I'm brought to a page that literally does not have the label "Group F" anywhere. In fact, the page has only finished matches.
So...where do I find information on the WCS Korea Challenger Group F matches that is being played on June 6th?
EDIT: Note, I don't actually care about that specific example. I'm just showing you how bad the general navigation and UI actually is.
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Hey, Does anyone know if the wcs season finals will be on replays at twich, im eu and dont really want to stay up at 2am to watch the groups.
The other way is a gomtv ticket, but for 15 bucks thats pretty expensive.
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Holy BALLS this thing just keeps getting better and better. Did you see the cool visuals on the top 5 breakdown?
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