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Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
June 04 2013 18:18 GMT
#1
Today Blizzard released their WCS portal, which can be found here http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en. Includes all of the standard information such as match times, standings, as well as live streams and videos of past matches.

It is finally here and it is looking good!
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 04 2013 18:21 GMT
#2
Nice and clean very sleek :D
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
June 04 2013 18:21 GMT
#3
It's freaking good, it looks nice and clean, it's responsive, you get easy VOD access (just click on the match) and you even have excerpts of TL articles and wikipedia bios, players twitter...

And of course schedules, standings, brackets, the usual stuff.

Also no twitch chat displayed by default is classy.

Really nice job Blizz.
MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 18:29:37
June 04 2013 18:23 GMT
#4
Oh cool site.

Just noticed the player profile pages. Really cool.

http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/players/nerchio
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
June 04 2013 18:26 GMT
#5
so many awesome blizzard news today
yo
vinsang1000
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium365 Posts
June 04 2013 18:29 GMT
#6
A lot of links to teamliquid content in it !
WikidSik
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada382 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 18:35:20
June 04 2013 18:35 GMT
#7
so its basically teamliquid for wcs but in the bnet layout and domain. still an amazing website though
EDIT: I meant to say that most of the things there are from here
Iv been here for 5.5 years. My other accounts are named "Sonu" and "Dalroti" || I had some more but I cant find them XD || known in sc2 as "Sonu"
Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
June 04 2013 18:37 GMT
#8
Looks really good, by bloody time but understandably late. I guess this is what the former IPL crew has been working at.
Just when I thought I was out, Blizz pulled me back in..
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
June 04 2013 18:37 GMT
#9
is the stream supposed to load on the home page? cause it doesn't work for me ^^
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
Niko_Thien
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany2671 Posts
June 04 2013 18:40 GMT
#10
On June 05 2013 03:37 Yhamm wrote:
is the stream supposed to load on the home page? cause it doesn't work for me ^^


Twitch is currently having issues in Europe.
@Niko_Thien on twitter!
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
June 04 2013 18:42 GMT
#11
Looks really really good.
Just the stream is not loading (i guess there is a stream supposed) but that might be twitchs fault.
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
June 04 2013 18:43 GMT
#12
I will have a great time explaining to my friends why the player marked as America really are from either Korea or Europe.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
June 04 2013 18:46 GMT
#13
looks really nice
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
June 04 2013 18:52 GMT
#14
wow it feels cool to have something i've written made it to bnet Oo
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
June 04 2013 18:54 GMT
#15
On June 05 2013 03:43 Integra wrote:
I will have a great time explaining to my friends why the player marked as America really are from either Korea or Europe.

let me help
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
June 04 2013 19:42 GMT
#16
On June 05 2013 03:23 MstrJinbo wrote:
Oh cool site.

Just noticed the player profile pages. Really cool.

http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/players/nerchio


TBH, they are quite weird. Look at Snute's profile, says something about a ZvP he used to do like two years ago :p
Just when I thought I was out, Blizz pulled me back in..
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 04 2013 19:45 GMT
#17
looks fantastic! Such a nice layout!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
June 04 2013 19:47 GMT
#18
How does HerO have so many points?
Refer to my post.
a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 19:53:31
June 04 2013 19:52 GMT
#19
On June 05 2013 04:47 Zenbrez wrote:
How does HerO have so many points?


Dreamhack semifinalist + winning WCS.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 04 2013 19:53 GMT
#20
On June 05 2013 04:42 Ballack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 03:23 MstrJinbo wrote:
Oh cool site.

Just noticed the player profile pages. Really cool.

http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/players/nerchio


TBH, they are quite weird. Look at Snute's profile, says something about a ZvP he used to do like two years ago :p

Biographies are flawed because they only copy the first few sentences from Liquipedia and therefore the later, more recent accomplishments that are more relevant today are always cut off.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
June 04 2013 19:54 GMT
#21
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".

They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
June 04 2013 19:54 GMT
#22
No left side bar D:

Sweet website none the less, the official standings being provided all in once place is nice.
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
June 04 2013 19:56 GMT
#23
Jesus! Blizzard is on fire lately!
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
June 04 2013 19:59 GMT
#24
I added a sentence to your OP so it could be used in community news.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 20:05:43
June 04 2013 20:04 GMT
#25
On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".

They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort.


If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX.

Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia.
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
June 04 2013 20:05 GMT
#26
I really like all the credits that Blizzard is giving to all the content. Nowhere does it seem like they're taking credit for things that aren't there. The stream mentions ESL and Twitch. All the articles are just blurb and link to the actual content. It seems like a great portal for all the WCS content out there.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
ZergX
Profile Joined October 2010
France436 Posts
June 04 2013 20:11 GMT
#27
I loveeeeeeeeeeeeeee it : )

Thank you blizzard for that ♥
Nestea fightingg ! DRG fightingggg !! Sen fightinggg ! July fighting ! SoO fighting !
A Wild Sosd
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia421 Posts
June 04 2013 20:12 GMT
#28
Site looks really nice, good to have an official site for such a large scale tournament with all the details
Mobile site is great too.
Bomber | TaeJa | Life | Scarlett I Twitter: @SosdSC2
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
June 04 2013 20:13 GMT
#29
On June 05 2013 03:18 Rescawen wrote:
Today Blizzard released their WCS portal, which can be found here http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en. Includes all of the standard information such as match times, standings, as well as live streams and videos of past matches.

It is finally here and it is looking good!

Where are the videos of past matches? I'd love a centralized vod location, especially if it's spoiler-free, but I don't see it.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
June 04 2013 20:29 GMT
#30
What Blizzard have been eating? They seem unsually active.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 04 2013 20:30 GMT
#31
On June 05 2013 05:13 aristarchus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 03:18 Rescawen wrote:
Today Blizzard released their WCS portal, which can be found here http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en. Includes all of the standard information such as match times, standings, as well as live streams and videos of past matches.

It is finally here and it is looking good!

Where are the videos of past matches? I'd love a centralized vod location, especially if it's spoiler-free, but I don't see it.

Click on the matches in the brackets.
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
June 04 2013 20:31 GMT
#32
Maybe the following is something to put in the OP. We finally get to see some of the former IPL staff:


The Rise and Fall of SlayerS -- a timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=378097
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 04 2013 20:33 GMT
#33
On June 05 2013 05:31 Proseat wrote:
Maybe the following is something to put in the OP. We finally get to see some of the former IPL staff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1g7TOTNdJg

What's Tim's ID? I remembered Kibbelz (or however the hell he spelled it) instantly, and miss his casting, but couldn't remember the other guys ID.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
June 04 2013 20:34 GMT
#34
--- Nuked ---
Beakyboo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States485 Posts
June 04 2013 20:36 GMT
#35
Man, I was looking at the players in the season finals earlier today and was thinking the one player it was really missing was Leenock. Now I see he was right on the edge of making it. Too bad
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
June 04 2013 20:37 GMT
#36
Finally I can just put one WCS site on bookmark instead of 5 different ones.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
June 04 2013 20:37 GMT
#37
On June 05 2013 05:30 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 05:13 aristarchus wrote:
On June 05 2013 03:18 Rescawen wrote:
Today Blizzard released their WCS portal, which can be found here http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en. Includes all of the standard information such as match times, standings, as well as live streams and videos of past matches.

It is finally here and it is looking good!

Where are the videos of past matches? I'd love a centralized vod location, especially if it's spoiler-free, but I don't see it.

Click on the matches in the brackets.

Ah, so they're exactly the opposite of spoiler-free.
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
June 04 2013 20:41 GMT
#38
On June 05 2013 05:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 05:31 Proseat wrote:
Maybe the following is something to put in the OP. We finally get to see some of the former IPL staff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1g7TOTNdJg

What's Tim's ID? I remembered Kibbelz (or however the hell he spelled it) instantly, and miss his casting, but couldn't remember the other guys ID.

I believe it was robintivo or along these lines? Yep: (Wiki)Robin
The Rise and Fall of SlayerS -- a timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=378097
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
June 04 2013 20:47 GMT
#39
Can people explain it to me why HerO has 300 more points than Soulkey and Mvp?
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 21:05:16
June 04 2013 21:03 GMT
#40
On June 05 2013 05:47 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Can people explain it to me why HerO has 300 more points than Soulkey and Mvp?

HerO got 300 extra points for reaching the DreamHack Stockholm (non-WCS tier 1 tournament) semi finals.

Here is a complete run-down:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings
The Rise and Fall of SlayerS -- a timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=378097
HobyHarro
Profile Joined February 2013
United States30 Posts
June 04 2013 21:11 GMT
#41
This website is fantastic
Kruize
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia4 Posts
June 04 2013 21:14 GMT
#42
Innovation gets to redeem his TvZ.

Weekend brackets are already up.
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/brackets
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 04 2013 21:15 GMT
#43
On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".

They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort.


If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX.

Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia.

Shhhhhh quite, don't confuse Rabiator with facts and logic.

Also, the website looks awesome on both my phone and work PC. Its got a good, clean design and I like the sections per region.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria923 Posts
June 04 2013 21:31 GMT
#44
Hell, it's about time.
Livin' this life like it was written.
Radicalness
Profile Joined September 2011
United States271 Posts
June 04 2013 21:39 GMT
#45
It looks great!
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butter
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States785 Posts
June 04 2013 21:44 GMT
#46
And still there is like zero hype for the Season 1 [No-one Knows What to Even Call This, Is it a Grand Slam?] Finals.
TL should have a minigame where you have to destroy some rocks before you can make a new post – DentalFloss
DenTenker
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States606 Posts
June 04 2013 22:06 GMT
#47
Looks awesome Blizzard! I'm glad there is an official site now. Not that there was anything wrong with other websites. This just shows first party support.
If your all in didn't work, you didn't pull the workers.
WillS
Profile Joined September 2011
61 Posts
June 04 2013 22:13 GMT
#48
On June 05 2013 06:15 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:
On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".

They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort.


If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX.

Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia.

Shhhhhh quite, don't confuse Rabiator with facts and logic.

Also, the website looks awesome on both my phone and work PC. Its got a good, clean design and I like the sections per region.


Would you not agree that the overall quality and range of different types of the content on the site seem unfinished?

Rabiator: Personally I've never had a problem finding the content that I want to view on TL. Is it just the fidelity of the design that you are talking about or is there something else?
cocosoft
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1068 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 22:25:59
June 04 2013 22:25 GMT
#49
Blizzard always make such amazing websites. I'm impressed by the source code and design.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Jknighty
Profile Joined July 2011
159 Posts
June 04 2013 22:47 GMT
#50
Who are the presenters on the recap? Pretty impressed.
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
June 04 2013 23:07 GMT
#51
Great site! Love all the contents!
Aggnog
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria77 Posts
June 04 2013 23:14 GMT
#52
Am I blind or is it not specified how many points per event players got, only the total is shown.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
June 05 2013 00:34 GMT
#53
Holy shit. The newcast on the landing page- this is shockingly professional. I love it.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
June 05 2013 00:37 GMT
#54
My last post wasn't enough to capture how awesome I think this eSportscast is. It sounds like e-ESPN in my fucking living room right now... the moment I've waited for for years!
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
June 05 2013 00:38 GMT
#55
I'm impressed. It's a nice looking site that's easy to navigate with up to date info.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Newbdizzle
Profile Joined March 2013
United States18 Posts
June 05 2013 00:44 GMT
#56
:'D Many tears of joy were just shed. This is incredible! Go go WCS!
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
June 05 2013 00:52 GMT
#57
On June 05 2013 06:14 Kruize wrote:
Innovation gets to redeem his TvZ.

Weekend brackets are already up.
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/brackets

My guesses:
Soulkey, TLO
MVP, Alicia
Hero, forGG
Innovation, Roro

Innovation takes it all
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
June 05 2013 01:04 GMT
#58
This Week in SC2Find out what happened 'This Week in Starcraft 2': http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278126
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
June 05 2013 01:09 GMT
#59
Really nice site!
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
June 05 2013 01:49 GMT
#60
Wow!! This is super slick. I love it
Jaedong <3
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
June 05 2013 05:05 GMT
#61
Posted the following on the feedback page

This is, overall, really really good! It's sleek, and professional, and just neat. Most of the things I'm about to bring up are relatively minor, but would also go a long way..

1. There doesn't seem to be a "search" box. I wanted to look up Scarlett's profile, and had to guess the URL for it.
2. A player's profile shows their race, country, rank, and points, but nothing happens if I click on them. It would be nice if, for instance, I could click on the Zerg icon on Scarlett's page, and see a ranking of Zerg in the WCS, or how Zerg are doing in WCS, or even just the info page explaining what "Zerg" are from the SC2 site. Similarly, clicking on the Canada flag should show me all the Canadian's, etc.
3. The results at the bottom of the main page contain links to the relevant VODs. This is fantastic. However, it's not obvious that clicking on the score brings up the VOD. There should perhaps be an icon, or at least a "Click on score for VOD" notice. (If I go to the brackets page, by comparison, there is an icon)
4. Some of the VODs don't work or display anything. Example: http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/m...
5. Is it possible to get a "Spoiler-free" option? I get that this is intended as a news and results portal, but I'd like to be able to go here to watch all the games instead of a bunch of different web sites for GOM, MLG, etc.
6. The autoplaying video on the front page got old FAST. Please disable autoplay, or at least have it start muted. I was also surprised to load the page on my mobile and instantly have a stream playing. I wasn't on wi-fi on the time, and auto-playing streams can be dangerous to my capped bandwidth 3G plan.

Though, again, these are relatively minor concerns, and the site as a whole is really good.


It feels a little unfinished, but I think it's already sick town, and may become sick city if Blizz polishes the functionality just a tiny bit more.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 05:31:47
June 05 2013 05:28 GMT
#62
On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".

They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort.


If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX.

Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia.

They are copying Liquipedia not linking to it and their bracket looks less organized and spread over too much space compared to the stuff which the TL guys make.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2013_WCS

I have this page open all the time and it is perfect, because it shows upcoming broadcasts a few days ahead of time and you can click on everything to find the relevant stuff. "Casuals being scared of TL" only works if those casuals are looking for a Forum, but this isnt the case here ... they are looking for information on the state of WCS and broadcasts. The Liquipedia page is much more organized. Anything else is just a wasted effort, because its quality wont be as good.

Blizzard can make their portal as a "broadcast & VOD central", but they should just save the effort of making brackets and lists, because Liquipedia does it better. They should just pay the guys a little extra for stuff they do anyways ... which would probably cost Blizzard less in the end.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
June 05 2013 05:41 GMT
#63
I like it, looks nice.
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Graphix
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States208 Posts
June 05 2013 05:59 GMT
#64
Very Attractive and well done layout for the page. Seems Like a very solid job. GJ Blizz
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cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
June 05 2013 06:24 GMT
#65
On June 05 2013 14:28 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:
On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".

They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort.


If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX.

Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia.

They are copying Liquipedia not linking to it and their bracket looks less organized and spread over too much space compared to the stuff which the TL guys make.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2013_WCS

I have this page open all the time and it is perfect, because it shows upcoming broadcasts a few days ahead of time and you can click on everything to find the relevant stuff. "Casuals being scared of TL" only works if those casuals are looking for a Forum, but this isnt the case here ... they are looking for information on the state of WCS and broadcasts. The Liquipedia page is much more organized. Anything else is just a wasted effort, because its quality wont be as good.

Blizzard can make their portal as a "broadcast & VOD central", but they should just save the effort of making brackets and lists, because Liquipedia does it better. They should just pay the guys a little extra for stuff they do anyways ... which would probably cost Blizzard less in the end.


Blizzard excerpts the liquipedia bios, crediting the site and provides a link. I don't know what more you want. Also I wouldn't consider myself a casual fan and I never seen the liquipedia WCS portal. So it's far from as simple as you make it sound.

And why shouldn't blizzard create their own brackets and schedules. Even if other sites do it better, you can't just rely on 3rd parties to do everything for you. You should be responsible for your own product. Should the NBA quit doing a website even though you could say that ESPN covers the sport better?
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 06:26:29
June 05 2013 06:25 GMT
#66
On June 05 2013 14:28 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:
On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".

They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort.


If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX.

Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia.

They are copying Liquipedia not linking to it and their bracket looks less organized and spread over too much space compared to the stuff which the TL guys make.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2013_WCS

I have this page open all the time and it is perfect, because it shows upcoming broadcasts a few days ahead of time and you can click on everything to find the relevant stuff. "Casuals being scared of TL" only works if those casuals are looking for a Forum, but this isnt the case here ... they are looking for information on the state of WCS and broadcasts. The Liquipedia page is much more organized. Anything else is just a wasted effort, because its quality wont be as good.

Blizzard can make their portal as a "broadcast & VOD central", but they should just save the effort of making brackets and lists, because Liquipedia does it better. They should just pay the guys a little extra for stuff they do anyways ... which would probably cost Blizzard less in the end.


The TL Portal is absolutely atrocious when it comes to UI and usability. Completely ignoring the issues of being a Wiki where the sidebars and topbars are filled with links to non-WCS information, the TL WCS Portal has a topbar for tournament info, links in the middle for schedule, links in the middle for standings, links at the bottom for specific tournaments...it reminds me very much of staring at an airport flight schedule.

It's a terrible resource for a one-stop easy navigation site, but a good resource for an RSS-feed style "keep me updated constantly without making me change pages".
Average means I'm better than half of you.
blackbrrd
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway477 Posts
June 05 2013 07:38 GMT
#67
A spoiler-free option would be awesome and I would like a list of recently played groups - or matches. Basically what GomTV has, because I haven't found anything like it for WCS EU and AM.
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1350 Posts
June 05 2013 13:33 GMT
#68
App Name for Iphone?
"wcs" has too many hits and wcs portal or wcs starcraft has nothing...
monchi | IdrA | Flash
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
June 05 2013 13:49 GMT
#69
On June 05 2013 22:33 Big-t wrote:
App Name for Iphone?
"wcs" has too many hits and wcs portal or wcs starcraft has nothing...


It's a website.
Such flammable little insects!
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1350 Posts
June 05 2013 13:54 GMT
#70
On June 05 2013 22:49 Rannasha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 22:33 Big-t wrote:
App Name for Iphone?
"wcs" has too many hits and wcs portal or wcs starcraft has nothing...


It's a website.


....
monchi | IdrA | Flash
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 05 2013 14:02 GMT
#71
On June 05 2013 07:13 WillS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 06:15 Plansix wrote:
On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:
On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".

They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort.


If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX.

Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia.

Shhhhhh quite, don't confuse Rabiator with facts and logic.

Also, the website looks awesome on both my phone and work PC. Its got a good, clean design and I like the sections per region.


Would you not agree that the overall quality and range of different types of the content on the site seem unfinished?

Rabiator: Personally I've never had a problem finding the content that I want to view on TL. Is it just the fidelity of the design that you are talking about or is there something else?


Content on websites is built up over time and all sites are unfinished in some way or another. As WCS moves forward, the site will have things added and refined. My main concern with the site is that it is flexible, able to support several formats for information and is easy to get around. Content can be added as Blizzard and its production staff see how people use the site.

In general, it is better to release a robust, flexible site, see how people use it and then add things. Trying to predict what people want can lead to a lot of wasted time and effort on features people may never use.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
June 05 2013 14:07 GMT
#72
Awesome.
Just, AWESOME.
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 05 2013 14:16 GMT
#73
On June 05 2013 15:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 14:28 Rabiator wrote:
On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:
On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".

They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort.


If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX.

Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia.

They are copying Liquipedia not linking to it and their bracket looks less organized and spread over too much space compared to the stuff which the TL guys make.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2013_WCS

I have this page open all the time and it is perfect, because it shows upcoming broadcasts a few days ahead of time and you can click on everything to find the relevant stuff. "Casuals being scared of TL" only works if those casuals are looking for a Forum, but this isnt the case here ... they are looking for information on the state of WCS and broadcasts. The Liquipedia page is much more organized. Anything else is just a wasted effort, because its quality wont be as good.

Blizzard can make their portal as a "broadcast & VOD central", but they should just save the effort of making brackets and lists, because Liquipedia does it better. They should just pay the guys a little extra for stuff they do anyways ... which would probably cost Blizzard less in the end.


The TL Portal is absolutely atrocious when it comes to UI and usability. Completely ignoring the issues of being a Wiki where the sidebars and topbars are filled with links to non-WCS information, the TL WCS Portal has a topbar for tournament info, links in the middle for schedule, links in the middle for standings, links at the bottom for specific tournaments...it reminds me very much of staring at an airport flight schedule.

It's a terrible resource for a one-stop easy navigation site, but a good resource for an RSS-feed style "keep me updated constantly without making me change pages".


I love Liquipedia, but the WCS pages are the opposite of "one-stop easy navigation". I personally like the sections that link to nothing or how it is impossible to find broadcast times(that don't required you to figure out which time zone it is and then convert to yours), or for upcoming matches.

The argument that Blizzard shouldn't have their own website for their world wide tournament is beyond flawed and flat out wrong. It is their event, they are going to host their own site, built by their people with their content.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
June 05 2013 15:27 GMT
#74
On June 05 2013 23:16 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 15:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:28 Rabiator wrote:
On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:
On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".

They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort.


If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX.

Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia.

They are copying Liquipedia not linking to it and their bracket looks less organized and spread over too much space compared to the stuff which the TL guys make.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2013_WCS

I have this page open all the time and it is perfect, because it shows upcoming broadcasts a few days ahead of time and you can click on everything to find the relevant stuff. "Casuals being scared of TL" only works if those casuals are looking for a Forum, but this isnt the case here ... they are looking for information on the state of WCS and broadcasts. The Liquipedia page is much more organized. Anything else is just a wasted effort, because its quality wont be as good.

Blizzard can make their portal as a "broadcast & VOD central", but they should just save the effort of making brackets and lists, because Liquipedia does it better. They should just pay the guys a little extra for stuff they do anyways ... which would probably cost Blizzard less in the end.


The TL Portal is absolutely atrocious when it comes to UI and usability. Completely ignoring the issues of being a Wiki where the sidebars and topbars are filled with links to non-WCS information, the TL WCS Portal has a topbar for tournament info, links in the middle for schedule, links in the middle for standings, links at the bottom for specific tournaments...it reminds me very much of staring at an airport flight schedule.

It's a terrible resource for a one-stop easy navigation site, but a good resource for an RSS-feed style "keep me updated constantly without making me change pages".


I love Liquipedia, but the WCS pages are the opposite of "one-stop easy navigation". I personally like the sections that link to nothing or how it is impossible to find broadcast times(that don't required you to figure out which time zone it is and then convert to yours), or for upcoming matches.

The argument that Blizzard shouldn't have their own website for their world wide tournament is beyond flawed and flat out wrong. It is their event, they are going to host their own site, built by their people with their content.

Which sections link to nothing? Also, there's a countdown for each event, so if you think it's impossible to find when matches are then you're clearly not trying.
tomastaz
Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
June 05 2013 21:39 GMT
#75
Nice, but it should be linked from many places so people can find it easily. Took me a while to find it today again
No church in the wild --- @tzhang0126
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 23:40:03
June 05 2013 23:38 GMT
#76
On June 06 2013 00:27 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 23:16 Plansix wrote:
On June 05 2013 15:25 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:28 Rabiator wrote:
On June 05 2013 05:04 a3den wrote:
On June 05 2013 04:54 Rabiator wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea to compete with the "standard" ... which is Liquipedia. The Blizzard lists also could use the color code for the regions to make things easier to discern. The boxes for the tournament fields seem a bit too big so they "waste space".

They should just stop wasting their own effort and simply link to Liquipedia (because there is already a very dedicated group of people working on it with a lot of expertise) ... but not without "compensating" the people for their effort.


If Blizzard wanna redirect towards more than a stream link from the client when the finals are happening, there's a need for this. Honestly, from a casual viewer point of view, TL.net is a frightening time machine to the 90's when it comes to UX.

Also, they are already linking to Liquipedia.

They are copying Liquipedia not linking to it and their bracket looks less organized and spread over too much space compared to the stuff which the TL guys make.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2013_WCS

I have this page open all the time and it is perfect, because it shows upcoming broadcasts a few days ahead of time and you can click on everything to find the relevant stuff. "Casuals being scared of TL" only works if those casuals are looking for a Forum, but this isnt the case here ... they are looking for information on the state of WCS and broadcasts. The Liquipedia page is much more organized. Anything else is just a wasted effort, because its quality wont be as good.

Blizzard can make their portal as a "broadcast & VOD central", but they should just save the effort of making brackets and lists, because Liquipedia does it better. They should just pay the guys a little extra for stuff they do anyways ... which would probably cost Blizzard less in the end.


The TL Portal is absolutely atrocious when it comes to UI and usability. Completely ignoring the issues of being a Wiki where the sidebars and topbars are filled with links to non-WCS information, the TL WCS Portal has a topbar for tournament info, links in the middle for schedule, links in the middle for standings, links at the bottom for specific tournaments...it reminds me very much of staring at an airport flight schedule.

It's a terrible resource for a one-stop easy navigation site, but a good resource for an RSS-feed style "keep me updated constantly without making me change pages".


I love Liquipedia, but the WCS pages are the opposite of "one-stop easy navigation". I personally like the sections that link to nothing or how it is impossible to find broadcast times(that don't required you to figure out which time zone it is and then convert to yours), or for upcoming matches.

The argument that Blizzard shouldn't have their own website for their world wide tournament is beyond flawed and flat out wrong. It is their event, they are going to host their own site, built by their people with their content.

Which sections link to nothing? Also, there's a countdown for each event, so if you think it's impossible to find when matches are then you're clearly not trying.

I agree with Plansix, it's ridiculously bad trying to find specific match times. The front page is fairly specific with upcoming matches, alright. Then I click on Full Schedule. I'm brought to a page that is filled with a May schedule...okay, no one has updated that, that's excusable.

I expand the June info. It's completely generic. It shows the time, it has a generic label like "Finals" or "Group D", which tells me nothing unless I already know the players in the group. I click on "Group Stage: Group F" under Korea. I'm brought to a page that literally does not have the label "Group F" anywhere. In fact, the page has only finished matches.

So...where do I find information on the WCS Korea Challenger Group F matches that is being played on June 6th?

EDIT: Note, I don't actually care about that specific example. I'm just showing you how bad the general navigation and UI actually is.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
StarFOX23
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom1 Post
June 06 2013 14:29 GMT
#77
Hey, Does anyone know if the wcs season finals will be on replays at twich, im eu and dont really want to stay up at 2am to watch the groups.

The other way is a gomtv ticket, but for 15 bucks thats pretty expensive.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
June 06 2013 23:30 GMT
#78
Holy BALLS this thing just keeps getting better and better. Did you see the cool visuals on the top 5 breakdown?
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