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EU. Liked it a lot. RedEye more than good as a host. Production overall was good, nice crowd shots and loved the players reactions. Did not have so much with the social media guy, but that is just me, better to have something instead of downtime otherwise. The production just fits the kind of tournament/players it seems. Casters were good, Kaelaris + ToD was a good combo.
KR. Just Korea, the production is pure professional, which fits the hardest tourney on the planet at the moment.
AM. Only thing I always like about MLG production is the screen in screen. Seeing the zealot harass in a zergs main really makes watching the main engagement more 'accurate'. The casters I dont like, but might me just personal, since they are fine. They just seem so dull, plain and boring to me. No real personalities. Production ansich is good, but not for such a huge prizepool tourney. No audience at all makes it all seem so awkward.
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On June 03 2013 17:30 Kergy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 13:59 peidongyang wrote:
korea - make the grand prize 40k
eu -make the grand prize 12k
na- make the grand prize 8k
problem fixed guys you GET it, nothing personal against Revial or Stephano but do they really deserve as much money as Innovation?
Someone has to pay the money. Guess what tournaments are more attractive to sponsors and viewers on a global scale? Hint: Its not WCS KR.
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On June 03 2013 19:33 Gr33d wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 17:30 Kergy wrote:On June 03 2013 13:59 peidongyang wrote:
korea - make the grand prize 40k
eu -make the grand prize 12k
na- make the grand prize 8k
problem fixed guys you GET it, nothing personal against Revial or Stephano but do they really deserve as much money as Innovation? Someone has to pay the money. Guess what tournaments are more attractive to sponsors and viewers on a global scale? Hint: Its not WCS KR.
Indeed, since when has price money anything to do with what people deserve? It depends on how much people/sponsors are willing to pay.
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On June 03 2013 13:59 peidongyang wrote:
korea - make the grand prize 40k
eu -make the grand prize 12k
na- make the grand prize 8k
problem fixed guys
WCS have other problems, they are more important than money and I dont think the winner like to win 12k for 11 weeks work.
If we compare money with DH, MLG, HSC etc, many player will forfeit WCS.
edit: Pretty difficult to understand for me how people like you think that prizemoney can solve all problems ezpz.
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KR: Flawless, as always
EU: Really well done, though I would have preferred a Dreamhack. Swedish crowds assrape German crowds.
AM: felt sterile and dull. Ax+Ax are all right, but with so many more distinct and popular casters in AM, it feels weird that they did the bulk of the casting. TB lives in the US now and makes any broadcast that much more enjoyable. I'm not sure if Day9 is still involved with SC2, but he seems like somebody you'd want to represent your event. If it weren't for HerO, I'm sure most people would have stopped watching the finals altogether.
All in all, this felt like MLG wanted to spend as little money as possible to save up and go for greener pastures with LoL, DotA or WoT.
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On June 03 2013 12:02 rift wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 11:21 TAMinator wrote:
KR sets the bar, just didnt like the delays and KPOP consistently in the breaks of the finals. Please stop forcing the players to kiss the trophy for so long!
EU done very well, lots of good side content (didnt really like hubners part though) the only gripe is they need an actual crowd and venue for it to look like an event suited to the prize pool
AM same problems as EU, needs a crowd and venue, addition of bitterdam helped a little, would be nice if they could put Day9, Husky and/or TB to add more hype, but I understand this is mainly an MLG broadcast meaning they'll stick to their own casters.
no one forces them to kiss it, it carried over from BW and is a little slice of the conformist mentality in Korean culture. another example would be the k-pop haircut that many sport these days
No, I've watched every GSL finals. Everytime they do their second kiss they look at the camera men for directions on what sort of poses they want next for their photo shoot. I doubt they really feel like kissing a trophy for 10 minutes doing different poses because of conformist mentality.
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Only thing I can think at the top of my head at the moment is KR's commercial breaks filled with KPOP for the finals. Would rather see the regular commercials for Zoozoo Bubble or that other game on repeat instead. I don't even hate KPOP, but outside of that Psy music video, didn't really like watching/listening to the KPOP.
AM - Really can't think of much, for the most part, for what they did and managed, it was pretty nice albeit contained. The barcraft for the finals did sort of give a slight sense of crowd immersion (if any at all). Casters could have been better, no diss to Axeltoss+Axslav and Mr.Bitter+Rotti, but they needed to get a marque caster at least for the grand finals. Totalbiscuit+Rotterdam, or TB+Axslav for that mix of a great play-by-play guy with an analyst. Obviously scheduling issues, and if TB is busy with other things meaning he can't do it.
EU - For ESL's first effort into WCS, they did great imo. Honestly can't think of anything bad to say about it, went by pretty flawlessly, if they could have only managed a larger venue for the finals to get more people in, would have been great. The small crowd in studio had some amazing energy, although there were some obvious nationalist bias (TLO for example) that can't be helped.
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I enjoyed WCS EU more simply because it had European players who could actually beat korean players. WCS AM I found had a few games and series that were awesome, but it really was boring and sucked because you knew the koreans would advance. The final weekend they did was pretty good I watched most of that. WCS Korea was well GSL to me, GSL code S was great for what I got to watch, but I don't really go out of my way to watch it anymore since I can watch WCS AM and see good koreans, and EU.
Overall, WCS EU was my favorite, the casting was great the players that I didn't know much about, I learned more about and It was a fun time. IT felt special and awesome. WCS AM was boring and lame, I don't mind the casters I like them actually, but WCS AM didn't feel special or significant, just felt like daily content that IPL use to provide with random tournaments. WCS korea, aka GSL code S, same great product best players playing the best games.
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On June 03 2013 12:53 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 11:54 BlackPride wrote:On June 03 2013 01:08 crbox wrote:On June 03 2013 01:03 BlackPride wrote:
You want constructive? Get rid of axeltoss. He ruins America for me.
Why? It's not really constructive if you just say you don't like something, without saying why you don't like it. Perhaps you should point out what bothers you in his cast and he can improve. I know a guy like that dislikes every caster that isn't Artosis or Tasteless, you might want perfection but these guys aren't exactly bad at casting I think they're doing a fantastic job. Honestly, I enjoy every single caster in this industry except for Axeltoss. I know Tasteless gets a lot of flak for not knowing much about the game, but i disagree, and at the VERY least he's hilarious. And i think part of the reason he seems like he doesn't know much is that he's constantly juxtaposed with Artosis. That would be rough. As for Axeltoss, often I am convinced he doesn't even play this game. The dude only can go play-by-play. All the constructive criticism I can give comes back to getting rid of axeltoss. That would make America so quality. Love when people state their caster preference while not understanding how subjective caster preferences are. You literally just said that because you don't like Axeltoss, WCS AM would be a better tournament without him. Do you have a basis for believing a majority of viewers don't like Axeltoss, and therefore MLG should make a change based on the viewers' preference? Or are you just saying MLG should make a change based on your own preference?
I haven't really heard any positive feedback regarding axeltoss so I'm going to guess its more than just me...
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it will be interesting to see what ogn does with the next season. if it will be like OSL we will be in for a real treat
please make some nice intros!!!!
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On June 03 2013 17:30 Kergy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 13:59 peidongyang wrote:
korea - make the grand prize 40k
eu -make the grand prize 12k
na- make the grand prize 8k
problem fixed guys you GET it, nothing personal against Revial or Stephano but do they really deserve as much money as Innovation?
Can't agree enough with this. KR is obviously so much harder and by far the most important of the three, I really don't understand how they chose to handle the prize pools.
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On June 03 2013 23:06 Ameisenmann wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 17:30 Kergy wrote:On June 03 2013 13:59 peidongyang wrote:
korea - make the grand prize 40k
eu -make the grand prize 12k
na- make the grand prize 8k
problem fixed guys you GET it, nothing personal against Revial or Stephano but do they really deserve as much money as Innovation? Can't agree enough with this. KR is obviously so much harder and by far the most important of the three, I really don't understand how they chose to handle the prize pools.
I think they are trying to equalize the 3 regions. If they gave KR more prize money, it's a continuous slap in the face to other regions that KR is better and deserves more attention/special treatment. Yes, the community knows KR is better but as a company, they shouldn't promote that when their strategy is to promote a global event/community.
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WCS KR and EU were simply outstanding. Watched as much as I could of them. Entertaining casts, Redeye was a bit obnoxious for me but I guess people enjoy that downtime entertainment, great production, good gameplay and nice storylines.
WCS AM was a nice tournament if you muted the casters and forgot this is the World Championship Series, where we´re supposed to be linked to the players in some way. If you were only there for the gameplay (which is why I watched it), then it was OK. But as a WCS tournament it was way below KR and EU. I´m sure MLG can do better than that.
Also, no hate on Axeltoss/Axslav, but I just don´t like how they cast. Kinda dull. Axeltoss looks like he´s got no clue what´s going on. Axslav shouts too much. Neither of them looks at the observer view. The observer isn´t great, missing some stuff every now and then.
It also seems like they both want to talk (hell, especially Axslav!) and neither are listening to the other.
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On June 03 2013 23:23 ninjamyst wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 23:06 Ameisenmann wrote:On June 03 2013 17:30 Kergy wrote:On June 03 2013 13:59 peidongyang wrote:
korea - make the grand prize 40k
eu -make the grand prize 12k
na- make the grand prize 8k
problem fixed guys you GET it, nothing personal against Revial or Stephano but do they really deserve as much money as Innovation? Can't agree enough with this. KR is obviously so much harder and by far the most important of the three, I really don't understand how they chose to handle the prize pools. I think they are trying to equalize the 3 regions. If they gave KR more prize money, it's a continuous slap in the face to other regions that KR is better and deserves more attention/special treatment. Yes, the community knows KR is better but as a company, they shouldn't promote that when their strategy is to promote a global event/community.
That is quite obviously the point of it all and since there are a majority of korean players in the season / global finals and they will probably win those as well the prize money actually is stacked towards korean players receiving more money than those from the rest of the world.
The production effort put into all three tournaments is kinda equal and that 40/12/8 stacking of prizes would make it look silly to put so much effort in the other non-Korea regions.
I cant wait for the first non-Korean to win something big ...
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I'm going to echo what a lot of people are saying.
WCS needs streamline watching VODs for all regions. There should be a central, easily accessible portal updated in a timely manner.
KR: had the best casting and talent overall. The time some of the games were played however were not ideal, ex: GSL finals. I thought that was a shame because a lot of games were easily watcheable if you were a bit of an early bird on the East Coast (ie 7am).
EU: bringing ToD to help with the casting was a fantastic idea, he did a great job. I would avoid pairing Kaelaris and Apollo though because they're a bit too similar and don't synergize as well as bringing in someone like ToD. Although Tastosis are really hard to beat, EU did a great job with additional content with ReDeYe (he was a great straight man, esp for the photoshop contest) and other commentary like with MC. It is a bit like how the NASL tried to find ways to fill time between games and this is a concept other tournaments should learn from. They had issues with production in the early phase of WCS but did a good job learning from their problems and were able to put on a good show towards the end, despite the constant barrage of negativity and comparisons to DH.
US: I really enjoyed that they brought Mr Bitter and Rotterdam to help cast the finals as that brought a breath of fresh air. Having TB was also really nice during the ShoutCraft finals. Something I wish Axslav/Axletoss would stop doing: "if someone [miraculously] kills the [entire] army [twice] with [non-existing] units [of a composition he never aimed for], he MIGHT have a shot at winning, while a game drags. Call it like it is, if the game is going to shit, respect your audience. Diversity is the spice of life and its easy to fall into a pattern if you don't take a break and you do the same thing day in and day out. Though I wouldn't rely too much on Kaelaris for analysis, he really livens up his cast and synergizes well with his co-caster. Overall I think they need to take a page from the NASL in how the NASL, and now the ESL, tried to create content to entertain the audience and give some heart to their presentation.
Edit: let's not forget how the NA qualifiers were handled as compared to the EU qualifiers. NA needs more qualifiers and they need to be run properly so the players have a decent chance to sign up and participate.
Edit 2: I find the list of casters for the first global finals confusing with how they're not relying on the Tastosis/Khaldor/Wolf.
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On June 03 2013 23:06 Ameisenmann wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 17:30 Kergy wrote:On June 03 2013 13:59 peidongyang wrote:
korea - make the grand prize 40k
eu -make the grand prize 12k
na- make the grand prize 8k
problem fixed guys you GET it, nothing personal against Revial or Stephano but do they really deserve as much money as Innovation? Can't agree enough with this. KR is obviously so much harder and by far the most important of the three, I really don't understand how they chose to handle the prize pools.
They said we are Blizzard, this is our game and we are running these events. We want winning all three regions to be equal and to try an get equal talent each region. In few sports does the prize money reflect the difficult of a specific event. The community's obsession with prize money as a solution to anything has always confused me.
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On June 04 2013 00:19 75 wrote:"HQ/SQ VODs" seems so.
Well that's disappointing... $15 for a weekend tournament seems a bit steep. Maybe I'll just stay up for the broadcasts.
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WCS KR: Gom.
WCS EU: bad daytime chat show on an uncomfortably small, and unflatteringly illuminated stage packed full of ugly eurotrash.
WCS NA: *yawn*
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