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On June 02 2013 01:45 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 23:51 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 01 2013 17:54 Sissors wrote:On May 31 2013 17:19 THM wrote:And here are the real chances of both players (according to https://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/E Sports/SC2 GSL/1/Lines.aspx ): Fri 5/31 2001 Innovation 1.377 11:30 PM 2002 Soulkey 3.200 Surprisingly inept predictions from the casters who are supposed to be knowledgeable, or maybe as some people said they are just trying to hype things up. Hey, how is your prediction doing right now? Especially compared to the Korean casters? LOL it's called variance. Something most people on TL have no knowledge of. It was much more likely Innovation wins 4-0 than Soulkey wins 4-3 before game 4. Of course it's more likely that the player who leads the series 3-0 wins the match, but that doesn't change the fact that the GSL casters weren't blinded by the wild Innovation hype and proved that they actually know their shit pretty damn well. You can bring in mathemathical terms all you want, those are the facts.
so when i flip a coin and it lands on tails for soulkey, that proves that the coin made a good prediction and that it knows what its talking about? and if the casters has a 1% prediction rate success they know what they are talking about the 1% they get it "right"? thats not how it works, THESE ARE NOT THE FACTS. you dont go "well bogus won game 7, the korean casters are utterly clueless and thats a fact you cant change" the about 57% of the time he would have and "the casters proved they know their shit pretty damn well" the 43% of the time soulkey wins it, this is insanity.
"Soulkey then proceeded to win the series, proving that the predictions of Soulkey winning weren't so inept after all."
they were inept predictions.
On June 02 2013 01:36 Sissors wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 23:51 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 01 2013 17:54 Sissors wrote:On May 31 2013 17:19 THM wrote:And here are the real chances of both players (according to https://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/E Sports/SC2 GSL/1/Lines.aspx ): Fri 5/31 2001 Innovation 1.377 11:30 PM 2002 Soulkey 3.200 Surprisingly inept predictions from the casters who are supposed to be knowledgeable, or maybe as some people said they are just trying to hype things up. Hey, how is your prediction doing right now? Especially compared to the Korean casters? LOL it's called variance. Something most people on TL have no knowledge of. It was much more likely Innovation wins 4-0 than Soulkey wins 4-3 before game 4. So even after the Korean caster's predictions have been quite accurate, you still think they are inept for making the predictions?
they werent accurate... they were way, way off. the results were about 14% chance for bogus 4-0, about 21% for bogus 4-1, about 16 for 4-2, and about 20 for 4-3. soulkey for 4-3 was probably the fifth most likely option at about 13%, and 4-2 the sixth at 7%
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LOL reading this thread is so good after Soulkey won. Not just the GOM casters but the other korean casters as well were predicting a soulkey win. They're all so bad and just extremely lucky :p.
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On June 02 2013 19:05 NicksonReyes wrote:
LOL reading this thread is so good after Soulkey won. Not just the GOM casters but the other korean casters as well were predicting a soulkey win. They're all so bad and just extremely lucky :p.
you really make it sound like youre being sarcastic about the bad and extremely lucky bad i cant be sure. but yeah thats correct, its almost guaranteed to have been a terrible prediction
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I don't understand your argument, Veroleg. The Korean casters mostly predicted SK to win even though almost everyone else thought he would lose, and then SK won. What's wrong with that?
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On June 02 2013 19:03 Veroleg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 01:45 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 23:51 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 01 2013 17:54 Sissors wrote:On May 31 2013 17:19 THM wrote:And here are the real chances of both players (according to https://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/E Sports/SC2 GSL/1/Lines.aspx ): Fri 5/31 2001 Innovation 1.377 11:30 PM 2002 Soulkey 3.200 Surprisingly inept predictions from the casters who are supposed to be knowledgeable, or maybe as some people said they are just trying to hype things up. Hey, how is your prediction doing right now? Especially compared to the Korean casters? LOL it's called variance. Something most people on TL have no knowledge of. It was much more likely Innovation wins 4-0 than Soulkey wins 4-3 before game 4. Of course it's more likely that the player who leads the series 3-0 wins the match, but that doesn't change the fact that the GSL casters weren't blinded by the wild Innovation hype and proved that they actually know their shit pretty damn well. You can bring in mathemathical terms all you want, those are the facts. so when i flip a coin and it lands on tails for soulkey, that proves that the coin made a good prediction and that it knows what its talking about? and if the casters has a 1% prediction rate success they know what they are talking about the 1% they get it "right"? thats not how it works, THESE ARE NOT THE FACTS. you dont go "well bogus won game 7, the korean casters are utterly clueless and thats a fact you cant change" the about 57% of the time he would have and "the casters proved they know their shit pretty damn well" the 43% of the time soulkey wins it, this is insanity. "Soulkey then proceeded to win the series, proving that the predictions of Soulkey winning weren't so inept after all." they were inept predictions. Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 01:36 Sissors wrote:On June 01 2013 23:51 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 01 2013 17:54 Sissors wrote:On May 31 2013 17:19 THM wrote:And here are the real chances of both players (according to https://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/E Sports/SC2 GSL/1/Lines.aspx ): Fri 5/31 2001 Innovation 1.377 11:30 PM 2002 Soulkey 3.200 Surprisingly inept predictions from the casters who are supposed to be knowledgeable, or maybe as some people said they are just trying to hype things up. Hey, how is your prediction doing right now? Especially compared to the Korean casters? LOL it's called variance. Something most people on TL have no knowledge of. It was much more likely Innovation wins 4-0 than Soulkey wins 4-3 before game 4. So even after the Korean caster's predictions have been quite accurate, you still think they are inept for making the predictions? they werent accurate... they were way, way off. the results were about 14% chance for bogus 4-0, about 21% for bogus 4-1, about 16 for 4-2, and about 20 for 4-3. soulkey for 4-3 was probably the fifth most likely option at about 13%, and 4-2 the sixth at 7%
People in the foreign community have grown so attached to Innovation that they have become unreasonably quick to dismiss other players' chances. The Korean commentators made a prediction, not based on stats but based on what they see in the two players' styles and how they think the two would clash - they have so much more knowledge of the game; they understand it on another level and they know the players much more intimately than most people in the foreign community. These predictions weren't meant to be the most likely outcomes, statistically, they were meant as the most likely outcomes ignoring statistics, because statistics and maths can only tell you so much about a Starcraft match between two players of different races, when the human factor is involved.
The Korean casters predicted Soulkey to win because they thought his chances were better. He ended up proving them right when Innovation choked and he didn't. Maths cannot account for such factors, which is why calling their predictions inept because the statistics say otherwise is stupid.
Edit: I guess I don't really understand your viewpoint. Saying "It was almost guaranteed to be a bad prediction" just makes no sense in this situation. They predicted something most people didn't think would happen, it happened, and now people are criticising them because the outcome was unlikely? I mean come on
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Mr.Chae so good at predictions
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Some people are getting too serious about predictions.
Just be nice and congratulate whoever got the prediction right. I don't see a point in making serious argument over it.
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On June 02 2013 19:34 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 19:03 Veroleg wrote:On June 02 2013 01:45 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 23:51 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 01 2013 17:54 Sissors wrote:On May 31 2013 17:19 THM wrote:And here are the real chances of both players (according to https://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/E Sports/SC2 GSL/1/Lines.aspx ): Fri 5/31 2001 Innovation 1.377 11:30 PM 2002 Soulkey 3.200 Surprisingly inept predictions from the casters who are supposed to be knowledgeable, or maybe as some people said they are just trying to hype things up. Hey, how is your prediction doing right now? Especially compared to the Korean casters? LOL it's called variance. Something most people on TL have no knowledge of. It was much more likely Innovation wins 4-0 than Soulkey wins 4-3 before game 4. Of course it's more likely that the player who leads the series 3-0 wins the match, but that doesn't change the fact that the GSL casters weren't blinded by the wild Innovation hype and proved that they actually know their shit pretty damn well. You can bring in mathemathical terms all you want, those are the facts. so when i flip a coin and it lands on tails for soulkey, that proves that the coin made a good prediction and that it knows what its talking about? and if the casters has a 1% prediction rate success they know what they are talking about the 1% they get it "right"? thats not how it works, THESE ARE NOT THE FACTS. you dont go "well bogus won game 7, the korean casters are utterly clueless and thats a fact you cant change" the about 57% of the time he would have and "the casters proved they know their shit pretty damn well" the 43% of the time soulkey wins it, this is insanity. "Soulkey then proceeded to win the series, proving that the predictions of Soulkey winning weren't so inept after all." they were inept predictions. On June 02 2013 01:36 Sissors wrote:On June 01 2013 23:51 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On June 01 2013 17:54 Sissors wrote:On May 31 2013 17:19 THM wrote:And here are the real chances of both players (according to https://www.pinnaclesports.com/League/E Sports/SC2 GSL/1/Lines.aspx ): Fri 5/31 2001 Innovation 1.377 11:30 PM 2002 Soulkey 3.200 Surprisingly inept predictions from the casters who are supposed to be knowledgeable, or maybe as some people said they are just trying to hype things up. Hey, how is your prediction doing right now? Especially compared to the Korean casters? LOL it's called variance. Something most people on TL have no knowledge of. It was much more likely Innovation wins 4-0 than Soulkey wins 4-3 before game 4. So even after the Korean caster's predictions have been quite accurate, you still think they are inept for making the predictions? they werent accurate... they were way, way off. the results were about 14% chance for bogus 4-0, about 21% for bogus 4-1, about 16 for 4-2, and about 20 for 4-3. soulkey for 4-3 was probably the fifth most likely option at about 13%, and 4-2 the sixth at 7% People in the foreign community have grown so attached to Innovation that they have become unreasonably quick to dismiss other players' chances. The Korean commentators made a prediction, not based on stats but based on what they see in the two players' styles and how they think the two would clash - they have so much more knowledge of the game; they understand it on another level and they know the players much more intimately than most people in the foreign community. These predictions weren't meant to be the most likely outcomes, statistically, they were meant as the most likely outcomes ignoring statistics, because statistics and maths can only tell you so much about a Starcraft match between two players of different races, when the human factor is involved. The Korean casters predicted Soulkey to win because they thought his chances were better. He ended up proving them right when Innovation choked and he didn't. Maths cannot account for such factors, which is why calling their predictions inept because the statistics say otherwise is stupid. Edit: I guess I don't really understand your viewpoint. Saying "It was almost guaranteed to be a bad prediction" just makes no sense in this situation. They predicted something most people didn't think would happen, it happened, and now people are criticising them because the outcome was unlikely? I mean come on
how did the foreign community dismiss other players chances? the korean commentators made a prediction, you or nobody knows why, dont claim you do. they may hve made it based on what they thought most likely, or leaning towards the underdog to do anything to help it seem more close so as to help the hype to help their company, as it doesnt really matter if theyre right or wrong. or it could be some other reason.
they dont have inherently more knowledge of the game, they only commentate and play it. they werent handpicked because of big understanding-potential. they do know the players more intimately.
what do you mean they werent meant to be the most likely outcomes statistically? what do you mean they were meant to be the most likely outcomes ignoring statistics? why would you ignore statistics? everything can be told by statistics and math, you dont seem to understand what that is. theres no human factor
"The Korean casters predicted Soulkey to win because they thought his chances were better. He ended up proving them right when Innovation choked and he didn't. Maths cannot account for such factors, which is why calling their predictions inept because the statistics say otherwise is stupid. "
you dont know why they listed soulkey to win. but lets say they did it because of thinking he was the favourite.
that equation is beyond insanity, how can you see that? and didnt you read my last post?
so when a 31% hits, anybody predicting it to hit is proved that they picked the right side and that their analysis is sound? if a 3sided coin predicted a soulkey win how is that 3sided coin proved to be a good analysist as well as a superior analysist to the profitable bettor who claimed bogus was the favourite?
maths can account for such factors. and claiming a coins prediction isnt inept is stupid, i have no clue how youre telling me its not.
"Edit: I guess I don't really understand your viewpoint. Saying "It was almost guaranteed to be a bad prediction" just makes no sense in this situation. They predicted something most people didn't think would happen, it happened, and now people are criticising them because the outcome was unlikely? I mean come on"
how doesnt it make any sense? soulkey probably wins in the 35-41% region of maps against someone like bogus, and they claimed soulkey was the favourite for this match. what exactly is so difficult and hard to understand?
On June 02 2013 19:43 Orek wrote:
Some people are getting too serious about predictions.
Just be nice and congratulate whoever got the prediction right. I don't see a point in making serious argument over it.
i like soulkey more and had bet on soulkey. they didnt get their analysis right while people all over the place are claiming they did which is very frustrating, theyre also using crazy logic, wording and silly ideas which is making me even more frustrated
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I'll attempt to break this down for you:
-Large parts of the foreign community expected easy 4-0/4-1 sweeps by Innovation because he's considered "The best player in the world", the "best player ever", the "best TvZ player on the planet by far" or some variation of those. Soulkey was not given a fair chance; look at the comments in the Finals Preview or in the intital pages of the LR thread. People accept that Soulkey is a good player, but they've either been blinded by Innovation's play, or by Tastosis' mad hype.
-Maths cannot predict whether or not Innovation will choke in his first ever individual league finals. You're welcome to put maths on a pedestal all you want, but statistics will never tell you the whole story.
-If you want to believe that everyone who didn't predict Innovation to win was trying to make things seem more excited, then you're more than welcome to believe so. I think that's a very far-fetched explanation. For one, Gisado predicted Innovation to win, and FBH wasn't sure.
-Yes, Korean commentators are known for being more knowledgable than most foreign casters. They know things most people don't, and their analysis is generally considered superior to foreign casters'. And of course they were handpicked because they have superior understanding of the game. That's why they commentate the big leagues. Why else would you hire a commentator?
-What you seem to not understand is that these predictions (nor mine) weren't made with an equation, or statistics, in mind. Statistics don't tell you the whole story - they disregard the human factor (which does exist in nerve issues, tilting after a loss etc.) which means you need to take statistics with a grain of salt when using them for predicting a big match like this one. You seem to think the Korean commentators flipped a coin and gave their predictions based on heads/tails, and believe it or not, I don't think that's the case. There were things that pointed towards a Soulkey victory (i talked a little more in-depth about this in the Finals Preview; one of the things being Innovation's insane greed and how he died twice to Symbol's all-ins in the Ro4), despite statistics saying he should lose based on the record of his past matches.
-"soulkey probably wins in the 35-41% region of maps against someone like bogus"; what do you base this on? They've played twice in HotS outside the GSL, and they were 1-1 in maps. Naturally, their winrates in the matchup factor in, but whether or not Innovation can beat down Hyun or Roro shouldn't matter too much when he's playing someone else (in this case SK) who has proven himself their superior in the match-up.
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There's human factor. If there is none, then just like what statistics say, Innovation should have won in that Bo7. Innovation is the favorite in the match-up, because that's what statistics say, so they didn't predict Soulkey would win because of "thinking that Soulkey is the favorite". And they provided good points as to why they thought that Soulkey would win over Innovation so you can't say no one knows why they predicted Soulkey to win. Read them. Those are why.
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"-Large parts of the foreign community expected easy 4-0/4-1 sweeps by Innovation because he's considered "The best player in the world", the "best player ever", the "best TvZ player on the planet by far" or some variation of those. Soulkey was not given a fair chance; look at the comments in the Finals Preview or in the intital pages of the LR thread. People accept that Soulkey is a good player, but they've either been blinded by Innovation's play, or by Tastosis' mad hype."
yes
"-Maths cannot predict whether or not Innovation will choke in his first ever individual league finals. You're welcome to put maths on a pedestal all you want, but statistics will never tell you the whole story. "
yes math explains everything. the math of the stuff everything is made up of decides however he acts.
statistics will never lie
im interested to hear how you built your estimated probabillities of how likely bogus was to choke?
"-If you want to believe that everyone who didn't predict Innovation to win was trying to make things seem more excited, then you're more than welcome to believe so. I think that's a very far-fetched explanation. For one, Gisado predicted Innovation to win, and FBH wasn't sure. "
if you want to claim that you know the reason, youre not welcome to do so. i have no clue where you got it from that i believe or want to believe that from, please specify.
what gain do they have to attempt correct predictions? and what gain do they have to help make it seem like theres as little of a skill difference as possible?
what has gisados and fbhs prediction got to do with helping your point?
"-Yes, Korean commentators are known for being more knowledgable than most foreign casters. They know things most people don't, and their analysis is generally considered superior to foreign casters'. And of course they were handpicked because they have superior understanding of the game. That's why they commentate the big leagues. Why else would you hire a commentator?"
what do they nkow that most people dont? of course thats why they were handpicked? i thought commentators are handpicked for the most crowdatracting potential. have you seen the complete roster of foreign commentators? theres about 2 that you could make an argument for being handpicked for knowledge. of course those two also have the crowd atracting factor as well...
"-What you seem to not understand is that these predictions (nor mine) weren't made with an equation, or statistics, in mind."
so youre saying your estimations were made up from nowhere, they are completely random? im not sure if i would go that far, but i guess i can buy it.
"Statistics don't tell you the whole story - they disregard the human factor (which does exist in nerve issues, tilting after a loss etc.)"
statistics dont disregard anything, they tell you exactly what they say
"which means you need to take statistics with a grain of salt when using them for predicting a big match like this one."
why do you need to do that?
"You seem to think the Korean commentators flipped a coin and gave their predictions based on heads/tails, and believe it or not, I don't think that's the case."
please specify where i seem to think that
"-"soulkey probably wins in the 35-41% region of maps against someone like bogus"; what do you base this on?"
you can quickly make a good estimate based from the odds on pinnacle. 35-41 is a pretty large gap and it would be very unlikely to be outside that region
"They've played twice in HotS outside the GSL, and they were 1-1 in maps. Naturally, their winrates in the matchup factor in, but whether or not Innovation can beat down Hyun or Roro"
whether or not he can beat? what exactly is that supposed to mean? because it was ever a question to anyone whether or not he had a winrate vs someone of hyun or roros skill of above absolute 0%? what exactly do you mean with that phrasing, where are you going with it and what are you trying to accomplish?
"shouldn't matter too much when he's playing someone else (in this case SK) who has proven himself their superior in the match-up."
how has he proven himself to be superior?
On June 02 2013 21:11 NicksonReyes wrote:
There's human factor. If there is none, then just like what statistics say, Innovation should have won in that Bo7. Innovation is the favorite in the match-up, because that's what statistics say, so they didn't predict Soulkey would win because of "thinking that Soulkey is the favorite". And they provided good points as to why they thought that Soulkey would win over Innovation so you can't say no one knows why they predicted Soulkey to win. Read them. Those are why.
statistics say bogus would have won 100%?
didnt they predict soulkey would win because hes the favourite?
you sound like you have proof of what their reasons were. i dont know why you are showing me the proof by telling me to read an article though
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Please show me the formula for how to calculate how bad Innovation will choke in his first GSL Grand Finals. Go ahead, I'll wait.
As for the rest of your post, it's incoherent and I'll admit I have no idea how to approach that mess. I'll attempt to explain my viewpoint simply: statistics tell you the story of what has happened, but not necessarily of what will happen in a game like Starcraft where nerves, preparation, body condition, amount of sleep prior to the finals etc. all play important roles. In Starcraft, equations cannot reliably predict matches; there are too many variables for an equation to reasonably predict anything.
There are ways to predict a match, more reliably than with statistics I might add, that do not involve the use of statistics. Crazy, I know.
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On June 02 2013 19:15 Veroleg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 19:05 NicksonReyes wrote:
LOL reading this thread is so good after Soulkey won. Not just the GOM casters but the other korean casters as well were predicting a soulkey win. They're all so bad and just extremely lucky :p. you really make it sound like youre being sarcastic about the bad and extremely lucky bad i cant be sure. but yeah thats correct, its almost guaranteed to have been a terrible prediction
"Almost guarenteed" is such a flawed argument. It matters not what the stats were or how likely it was that innovation would win. These casters predicted Soulkey to win and they were right.
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This thread has turned into: Veroleg gets mad that Koreans have more predictive spirit than him and lashes back with vague claims of statistical awareness. I think it's really interesting and noteworthy how much more accurate the Korean casters were! I wish I understood Korean, I'd love to watch those guys cast.
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On June 03 2013 01:12 Zealously wrote:
Please show me the formula for how to calculate how bad Innovation will choke in his first GSL Grand Finals. Go ahead, I'll wait.
you do it by looking inside his head and locate the positions of everything and what they are, then use the knowledge and apply it to whatever the situation at hand is. not by making up a number. hint: it wasnt 100%.
you told me math and statistics cant explain choking, the "human factor" or whatever. i said it can. again, do you want to dispute that or do you surrender? ill wait
On June 03 2013 01:12 Zealously wrote:As for the rest of your post, it's incoherent and I'll admit I have no idea how to approach that mess.
i responded to each of your points very clearly. and judging by you being unable to respond to any of the points, it has indications that it was good.
On June 03 2013 01:12 Zealously wrote:I'll attempt to explain my viewpoint simply: statistics tell you the story of what has happened, but not necessarily of what will happen
i dont understand, why would statistics tell you what will happen? thats not its job
On June 03 2013 01:12 Zealously wrote:equations cannot reliably predict matches; there are too many variables for an equation to reasonably predict anything.
they can do and does whatever the value of the information is. one uses it to judge probabillities. the more information you have and the more accurate and the better you are at using it, the more accurate you can be with your estimates
On June 03 2013 01:12 Zealously wrote:There are ways to predict a match, more reliably than with statistics I might add, that do not involve the use of statistics. Crazy, I know.
yeah thats pretty crazy. what exactly do you think that you do when you go back and use previous occurances of all sorts to estimate probabillities?
On June 03 2013 01:35 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 19:15 Veroleg wrote:On June 02 2013 19:05 NicksonReyes wrote:
LOL reading this thread is so good after Soulkey won. Not just the GOM casters but the other korean casters as well were predicting a soulkey win. They're all so bad and just extremely lucky :p. you really make it sound like youre being sarcastic about the bad and extremely lucky bad i cant be sure. but yeah thats correct, its almost guaranteed to have been a terrible prediction "Almost guarenteed" is such a flawed argument. It matters not what the stats were or how likely it was that innovation would win. These casters predicted Soulkey to win and they were right.
no its a fact that its virtually impossible that soulkey was the favourite. if he wasnt the favourite it was not a correct estimation.
they had about a 31% winpercentage on that prediction. thats way into wrong territory.
On June 03 2013 01:35 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 19:15 Veroleg wrote:On June 02 2013 19:05 NicksonReyes wrote:
LOL reading this thread is so good after Soulkey won. Not just the GOM casters but the other korean casters as well were predicting a soulkey win. They're all so bad and just extremely lucky :p. you really make it sound like youre being sarcastic about the bad and extremely lucky bad i cant be sure. but yeah thats correct, its almost guaranteed to have been a terrible prediction "Almost guarenteed" is such a flawed argument. It matters not what the stats were or how likely it was that innovation would win. These casters predicted Soulkey to win and they were right.
no, they had about a 31% winpercentage on that prediction. thats way into wrong territory.
On June 03 2013 01:43 sparklyresidue wrote:
This thread has turned into: Veroleg gets mad that Koreans have more predictive spirit than him and lashes back with vague claims of statistical awareness. I think it's really interesting and noteworthy how much more accurate the Korean casters were! I wish I understood Korean, I'd love to watch those guys cast.
interesting. id love to hear more about this predictive spirit. what is it and what does it do?
yeah, its so vague nobody has even attempted a response!
do you wonder about that wonderfully genius coin that predicts ALL of the gsl matches ever played right EXACTLY 50% of the time? you truly must be worshipping it at night if you admire the korean casters for their 31% success rate.
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Eh you guys should really stop arguing about this. You can introduce a biasing factor relating to the chance of losing several games in a row (a tilt factor) but it's not really necessary. Besides. Only one caster actually got the prediction correct. The rest were as wrong as you were.
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It shocks me that people like Veroleg actually defend themselves in situations like this.
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There are two ways to argue. You can bring solid, clear arguments that attempt to disprove whatever it is you argue against, or you can turn your weaker arguments into a convoluted mess that is very difficult to break apart and respond to properly. Your posts fall in the second category, and I'm not willing nor able to spend the time needed to dissect your posts and try to make you understand my viewpoint in this case. I'll just point out that statistics got the GSL finals wrong and bid you a good day/evening and politely step away from this subject.
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On June 01 2013 23:49 Incognoto wrote:
It's so amazing how the GSL's casters predictions were actually insanely accurate.. o_o mad respect for them.
If you look at their recent results against one another they're pretty even though. To me it wasn't some marketing ploy as Waxy put it. The games might have been one-sided and not as brouhaha as many would have liked it, but at the end of the day they were still pretty even.
On June 01 2013 10:10 PhoenixVoid wrote:Here are the predictions from the English casters for GSL Artosis: INoVation victory Its the best Terran and the best Zerg fighting it out. Currently I can see that nobody can stop INoVation. But Soulkey is boiling hot. I say INoVation wins 4-3. AcerKaoru: INoVation victory INoVation will win 4-2. He is looking invincible recently, and cannot be stopped. In a best of seven I think Soulkey will be overwhelmed. In ProLeague, Soulkey took one game off INoVation. In GSL, only Soulkey is the player who could take the title away from INoVation. GSL will see another Terran champion resurrect. Khaldor: INoVation victory The winner of the upcoming tournament will be the first ever Heart of the Swarm champion. Many people are predicting an INoVation victory. But Soulkey has shown his strong fundamentals in GSL, and simultaneously show his skills in ProLeague. I see an INoVation victory 4-2 and become the first HotS GSL champion. I predict the series going to the full length. Either way, a clash between these two pro-athletes in SC2 will provide the best experience for the fans. Wolf: INoVation victory INoVation will win 4-1. INoVation has shown a powerful, stinging and swift reaction rate and flexible macro-management. Whoever he faces, INoVation's scouts know their timings, the late tech choices, knowing the background of the circumstances and making movements without hesitation. "Netizens" have been calling him a robot. But INoVation is a human just like us. And based upon that mistake, Soulkey can take one game off INoVation. DoA: INoVation victory My thoughts are that INoVation will win 4-1. Soulkey is a strong player, but INoVation is too dominant in the late-game. INoVation will win, but it will go for a long duration. SourceThis really shows the disparity in opinions between foreigners and Koreans. Koreans seem to favor Soulkey, while foreigners see INoVation as some invincible robot who cannot be halted. Truly a fight between the immovable object and the unstoppable force. *Oh, and the translation was done fairly quickly, and may have a few mistakes here and there, but I'm confident I got almost all of this correct*
Take what they say with a grain of salt please. We already know how well Artosis is at predicting stuff. It's well documented like Mr. Kim Carrier. They might live and breath the game, but it doesn't mean they're all knowing.
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