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larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
May 27 2013 21:41 GMT
#21
On May 28 2013 06:17 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 06:13 larse wrote:
The power of keSPA to ogn is obviously declining, even though multiple lol teams are keSPA teams.


I'd say the power of Kespa is declining and the power of OGN is rising, since OGN holds all the (LoL) cards in Korea. Kespa doesn't have any say in how the OGN LoL tournament is run.


Oh really? Aren't a lot of lol teams KeSPA teams? Don't they have a say on teams like kt, sky, cj's teams?
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 27 2013 21:42 GMT
#22
SC2 isn't doing terribly or anything, but you can't really blame OGN.

They're selling tickets for the League finals, between $7 and $35 (could be $25), and are expected to sell out a 9,000+ seated auditorium. When you can actually sell tickets to an e-sport event and sell out the highest priced tickets in less than 20 minutes, you can't really complain when a television company decides to back that game more than one where some Proleague matches have 10% of the seats filled.
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mtn
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
729 Posts
May 27 2013 21:42 GMT
#23
On May 28 2013 06:41 larse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 06:17 Dodgin wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:13 larse wrote:
The power of keSPA to ogn is obviously declining, even though multiple lol teams are keSPA teams.


I'd say the power of Kespa is declining and the power of OGN is rising, since OGN holds all the (LoL) cards in Korea. Kespa doesn't have any say in how the OGN LoL tournament is run.


Oh really? Aren't a lot of lol teams KeSPA teams? Don't they have a say on teams like kt, sky, cj's teams?


These are sponsored teams... CJ, KT are Corp's... They choose their divisions, not kespa.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
May 27 2013 21:48 GMT
#24
Well, not surprising. Not many people care for Proleague anyways (based on their audience).
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
May 27 2013 21:50 GMT
#25
On May 28 2013 06:42 mtn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 06:41 larse wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:17 Dodgin wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:13 larse wrote:
The power of keSPA to ogn is obviously declining, even though multiple lol teams are keSPA teams.


I'd say the power of Kespa is declining and the power of OGN is rising, since OGN holds all the (LoL) cards in Korea. Kespa doesn't have any say in how the OGN LoL tournament is run.


Oh really? Aren't a lot of lol teams KeSPA teams? Don't they have a say on teams like kt, sky, cj's teams?


These are sponsored teams... CJ, KT are Corp's... They choose their divisions, not kespa.


Yes but KeSPA has a say in a lot of their issues in Starcraft, so I thought naturally kespa would have a say on their lol part as well.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 27 2013 21:54 GMT
#26
On May 28 2013 06:50 larse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 06:42 mtn wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:41 larse wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:17 Dodgin wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:13 larse wrote:
The power of keSPA to ogn is obviously declining, even though multiple lol teams are keSPA teams.


I'd say the power of Kespa is declining and the power of OGN is rising, since OGN holds all the (LoL) cards in Korea. Kespa doesn't have any say in how the OGN LoL tournament is run.


Oh really? Aren't a lot of lol teams KeSPA teams? Don't they have a say on teams like kt, sky, cj's teams?


These are sponsored teams... CJ, KT are Corp's... They choose their divisions, not kespa.


Yes but KeSPA has a say in a lot of their issues in Starcraft, so I thought naturally kespa would have a say on their lol part as well.


Riot purposely excluded Kespa from their plans for Korea. They probably think It's much easier and simpler to deal with and help OGN since they're a tournament organizer. Giving any control to Kespa wouldn't benefit them whatsoever.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
May 27 2013 21:58 GMT
#27
GSTL and Proleague should simply just merge. GOM and Kespa too.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 22:11:41
May 27 2013 22:08 GMT
#28
I miss the BW audiences.
T P Z sagi
czaku
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland429 Posts
May 27 2013 22:15 GMT
#29
On May 28 2013 06:58 Wildmoon wrote:
GSTL and Proleague should simply just merge. GOM and Kespa too.


That would be a boost to SC2 but looking back on BW history, from what i heard, it's not possible.
hydrogg
Profile Joined September 2011
United States377 Posts
May 27 2013 22:20 GMT
#30
On May 28 2013 06:54 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 06:50 larse wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:42 mtn wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:41 larse wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:17 Dodgin wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:13 larse wrote:
The power of keSPA to ogn is obviously declining, even though multiple lol teams are keSPA teams.


I'd say the power of Kespa is declining and the power of OGN is rising, since OGN holds all the (LoL) cards in Korea. Kespa doesn't have any say in how the OGN LoL tournament is run.


Oh really? Aren't a lot of lol teams KeSPA teams? Don't they have a say on teams like kt, sky, cj's teams?


These are sponsored teams... CJ, KT are Corp's... They choose their divisions, not kespa.


Yes but KeSPA has a say in a lot of their issues in Starcraft, so I thought naturally kespa would have a say on their lol part as well.


Riot purposely excluded Kespa from their plans for Korea. They probably think It's much easier and simpler to deal with and help OGN since they're a tournament organizer. Giving any control to Kespa wouldn't benefit them whatsoever.


Blizzard didnt include Kespa in their plans either for Brood War. Once there are more LOL teams that are owned by KeSPA corporations, they will have the power since there can't be LOL tournaments without teams.
KingFool
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada428 Posts
May 27 2013 22:27 GMT
#31
damn, there goes some of the hype that normally builds around it
Stimin myself on a daily basis
Dakure
Profile Joined February 2011
United States513 Posts
May 27 2013 22:41 GMT
#32
On May 28 2013 06:18 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 03:08 Acrofales wrote:

What is it with people who think that because LoL is getting good viewers, SC2 is somehow in dire straights? The WCS EU finals had over 100,000 viewers. Seems to me like SC2 is doing just fine.

Of course sc2 is doing fine worldwide, and people understand that. It just saddens people see to what has happened to starcraft in the place it was beyond massive

Some of the best League of Legends teams are from Kespa. CJ, KT, and SKT1 have teams in the final 4 of the current OGN season.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12861 Posts
May 27 2013 22:48 GMT
#33
Looking at the number of people turning up to watch spl, I am quite concern how many would turn up for the final
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 27 2013 22:51 GMT
#34
On May 28 2013 07:20 hydrogg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 06:54 Dodgin wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:50 larse wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:42 mtn wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:41 larse wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:17 Dodgin wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:13 larse wrote:
The power of keSPA to ogn is obviously declining, even though multiple lol teams are keSPA teams.


I'd say the power of Kespa is declining and the power of OGN is rising, since OGN holds all the (LoL) cards in Korea. Kespa doesn't have any say in how the OGN LoL tournament is run.


Oh really? Aren't a lot of lol teams KeSPA teams? Don't they have a say on teams like kt, sky, cj's teams?


These are sponsored teams... CJ, KT are Corp's... They choose their divisions, not kespa.


Yes but KeSPA has a say in a lot of their issues in Starcraft, so I thought naturally kespa would have a say on their lol part as well.


Riot purposely excluded Kespa from their plans for Korea. They probably think It's much easier and simpler to deal with and help OGN since they're a tournament organizer. Giving any control to Kespa wouldn't benefit them whatsoever.


Blizzard didnt include Kespa in their plans either for Brood War. Once there are more LOL teams that are owned by KeSPA corporations, they will have the power since there can't be LOL tournaments without teams.

Riot is also 10x worse when it comes to controller their product in tournaments. If Riot doesn't want KeSPA controller the Korean LoL scene, then it simply won't happen.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14198 Posts
May 27 2013 23:06 GMT
#35
On May 28 2013 07:51 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 07:20 hydrogg wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:54 Dodgin wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:50 larse wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:42 mtn wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:41 larse wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:17 Dodgin wrote:
On May 28 2013 06:13 larse wrote:
The power of keSPA to ogn is obviously declining, even though multiple lol teams are keSPA teams.


I'd say the power of Kespa is declining and the power of OGN is rising, since OGN holds all the (LoL) cards in Korea. Kespa doesn't have any say in how the OGN LoL tournament is run.


Oh really? Aren't a lot of lol teams KeSPA teams? Don't they have a say on teams like kt, sky, cj's teams?


These are sponsored teams... CJ, KT are Corp's... They choose their divisions, not kespa.


Yes but KeSPA has a say in a lot of their issues in Starcraft, so I thought naturally kespa would have a say on their lol part as well.


Riot purposely excluded Kespa from their plans for Korea. They probably think It's much easier and simpler to deal with and help OGN since they're a tournament organizer. Giving any control to Kespa wouldn't benefit them whatsoever.


Blizzard didnt include Kespa in their plans either for Brood War. Once there are more LOL teams that are owned by KeSPA corporations, they will have the power since there can't be LOL tournaments without teams.

Riot is also 10x worse when it comes to controller their product in tournaments. If Riot doesn't want KeSPA controller the Korean LoL scene, then it simply won't happen.

Riot went to KESPA and asked them to control the korean lol scene for them. It was a major part of their launch strategy when they opened the korean servers not that long ago. They also have lol free on all the pc baangs with all the champs and runes unlocked from the git go.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Quakecomm
Profile Joined April 2012
United States344 Posts
May 27 2013 23:09 GMT
#36
On May 28 2013 02:24 rename wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 01:55 Eury wrote:
I just hope in 10 years we have all moved on from mobas.


Not likely. Moba seems quite a good concept for both casual and hardcore gameplay and and also for spectator experience.

Dota and LoL are rather bad implementations with the Dota just randomly evolving out of WC3 heroes getting it accidentally rather right... and LoL copying the concept without really improving much.

Im thinking Dota as Dune2 and LoL as c&c 1 of moba's.

One day, there will be a moba that will be something between Broodwar and Starcraft2 of moba's. And it will bring progaming to mainstream.

Blizzard Allstars?
gorkey island is the only good map
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 27 2013 23:14 GMT
#37
They go where the viewers go, can't really blame them on this although it would somewhat be better to just admit it.
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Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
May 27 2013 23:15 GMT
#38
On May 28 2013 08:09 Quakecomm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 02:24 rename wrote:
On May 28 2013 01:55 Eury wrote:
I just hope in 10 years we have all moved on from mobas.


Not likely. Moba seems quite a good concept for both casual and hardcore gameplay and and also for spectator experience.

Dota and LoL are rather bad implementations with the Dota just randomly evolving out of WC3 heroes getting it accidentally rather right... and LoL copying the concept without really improving much.

Im thinking Dota as Dune2 and LoL as c&c 1 of moba's.

One day, there will be a moba that will be something between Broodwar and Starcraft2 of moba's. And it will bring progaming to mainstream.

Blizzard Allstars?


The idea of blizzard making a dotaclone kinda depresses me, especially when you consider how few RTS games are out there now. SC2 is basically the only major RTS on the market right now. I'm worried that the entire genre is close to dying in favor of these aeon of strife games.
If you don't like it, you can quit.
Xahhk
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada540 Posts
May 28 2013 00:41 GMT
#39
On May 28 2013 02:24 rename wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 01:55 Eury wrote:
I just hope in 10 years we have all moved on from mobas.


Not likely. Moba seems quite a good concept for both casual and hardcore gameplay and and also for spectator experience.

Dota and LoL are rather bad implementations with the Dota just randomly evolving out of WC3 heroes getting it accidentally rather right... and LoL copying the concept without really improving much.

Im thinking Dota as Dune2 and LoL as c&c 1 of moba's.

One day, there will be a moba that will be something between Broodwar and Starcraft2 of moba's. And it will bring progaming to mainstream.


I don't think you know what you are talking about. LoL is already rather 'mainstream' with its fuck ton of players and casual to pro skill curve.

Increasing the skill and or mechanical requirement will always reduce the player base and will more likely bring a game more out of the mainstream than into it.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
May 28 2013 00:49 GMT
#40
Proleague of Legends
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