EPTEvil Geniuses Releases Greg "IdrA" Fields - Page 73
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
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TheSir
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On May 10 2013 09:44 ash88 wrote: I don't think anyone, including us "fan boys" would disagree that Idra is insultive, and abrasive. Your links are a good/entertaining reminder of that. However, you could go on to prove he murdered kittens, and that doesn't invalidate the point that the community is toxic to the players. Well the community are the customers, they have the power and the customers are always right but the community has nothing to do with it this time. You can keep up the bad boy image (which was pretty weak cause it only works when you crush people) for only so long, at some point it will brake down and you will start acting like a clown just because no one is taking you seriously anymore. Idra is the only one to blame for this and again, the community has shit to do with it. Idra... the Phil Hellmuth of Starcraft. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:37 lillesvin wrote: I think we have very different definitions of the word "sacrifice", because in my mind he pursued his dream, something most people don't even get the chance to do. He did pursue his dream, yes, but it most definitely was a sacrifice. He moved to the other side of the world to play a computer game instead of going to college (a move which wasn't exactly approved of by his father). Now, you have to realize it wasn't the same situation back then as it is now with GOM and everything; there hadn't been a succesful foreigner (''succesful'', as in actually getting a single game on TV) in Korea for years, and the competition in BW back then was about 50x tougher than it is in SC2 today. | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:52 iky43210 wrote: so is idra quitting sc2 for good or what We don't know, we will see. Edit: probably not though | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
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Jeremy Reimer
Canada1197 Posts
Well I just finished reading all 71 pages of this thread. I have such mixed feelings about this. On one hand, Idra has had a very toxic mindset for so long that it's not surprising that it would end like this. On the other hand, it seems awfully sudden and final. I would have thought that a suspension and fine would have been a better solution. What's weird to me is that if the in-game chat from Thorzain is real, then he knew about this three days before it happened, yet Incontrol was clearly surprised by the news and taken off-guard by it on SotG (you can't fake that kind of reaction, unless Geoff is the best actor in the universe). So it's hard to say what really happened and who knew about it when. EG may have punished Idra earlier internally and we just didn't know about it. Still, why not do that in PUBLIC so that he would have seen it as a serious threat? Still at the end of the day it's EG's decision and they have to think about the health of their team. I think behavior like refusing to practice with Demuslim was probably one of the things that pushed it over the edge. I always had a soft spot for Idra because he was a physics nerd (like me!) who got famous for playing Starcraft (which I love). I hope he takes some time off, gets his head together, and figures out what he wants to do, and I hope whatever that is includes Starcraft, because the Starcraft scene without Idra is just a little bit less interesting. | ||
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MinoMoto
Latvia107 Posts
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Grettin
42411 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:52 iky43210 wrote: so is idra quitting sc2 for good or what Let me get my crystal ball, to check that out.. + Show Spoiler + How should we know that, if he hasn't said anything yet.. | ||
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Madder
Australia427 Posts
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:53 Holgerius wrote: He did pursue his dream, yes, but it most definitely was a sacrifice. He moved to the other side of the world to play a computer game instead of going to college (a move which wasn't exactly approved of by his father). Now, you have to realize it wasn't the same situation back then as it is now with GOM and everything; there hadn't been a succesful foreigner (''succesful'', as in actually getting a single game on TV) in Korea for years, and the competition in BW back then was about 50x tougher than it is in SC2 today. i have a very, very serious question: are you white? | ||
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Lockitupv2
United States496 Posts
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n0ave
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WilDMousE
Chile1335 Posts
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
I guess I dont think they should have let him go for what he has done. He hasnt done anything that out there and everyone in SC 2 knows and likes him he has lots of BW history too. He is the dennis rodman of SC 2 just being edgy but he keeps the game interesting. Lots of the games he rage quits he honestly had no chance at winning anyways its funny people get so upset he doesnt play them out. | ||
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Sokrates
738 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:48 NicolBolas wrote: It means the government can't shut them up; the rest of society is under no such restrictions to tolerate raging douchebags. I appreciate people like idra much more than the political correct mr.nice that doesnt mean a single word he says because society obligates them to behave that way. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
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Xahhk
Canada540 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:44 ash88 wrote: I don't think anyone, including us "fan boys" would disagree that Idra is insultive, and abrasive. Your links are a good/entertaining reminder of that. However, you could go on to prove he murdered kittens, and that doesn't invalidate the point that the community is toxic to the players. This community is actually quite accommodating. Just the amount of sensitivity directed towards the transgendered alone is astounding-as well as anyone who doesn't have a normative aesthetic. Just look at award ceremony for DreamHack. Two thousand people cheering wildly for this stout cute Korean boy... no one gives a shit about what people look like in this community, just performance and personality-traits that are valued across any profession or community. Even the female players, I don't recall a team house incessantly asking female members to take off their clothes as a joke until they break down or something like in the Fighting Game community (I'm exaggerating)-it's all about personality and results. People like Grubby maintain as much if not more viewers than Idra while having good ethic, and showing good games. Just because people are drawn to polarizing personalities doesn't make the community 'shit'. You see a triple fried butter steak, and if you feel slightly curious, you will pick that shit up and eat it. You will also go for something healthier as well given it is visible to you. Personalities that claim OP, call other players worthless, etc etc can be completely substituted by 'Grubby'-like personalities. | ||
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SCST
Mexico1609 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:53 Jeremy Reimer wrote: Wow... Well I just finished reading all 71 pages of this thread. I have such mixed feelings about this. On one hand, Idra has had a very toxic mindset for so long that it's not surprising that it would end like this. On the other hand, it seems awfully sudden and final. I would have thought that a suspension and fine would have been a better solution. What's weird to me is that if the in-game chat from Thorzain is real, then he knew about this three days before it happened, yet Incontrol was clearly surprised by the news and taken off-guard by it on SotG (you can't fake that kind of reaction, unless Geoff is the best actor in the universe). So it's hard to say what really happened and who knew about it when. EG may have punished Idra earlier internally and we just didn't know about it. Still, why not do that in PUBLIC so that he would have seen it as a serious threat? Still at the end of the day it's EG's decision and they have to think about the health of their team. I think behavior like refusing to practice with Demuslim was probably one of the things that pushed it over the edge. I always had a soft spot for Idra because he was a physics nerd (like me!) who got famous for playing Starcraft (which I love). I hope he takes some time off, gets his head together, and figures out what he wants to do, and I hope whatever that is includes Starcraft, because the Starcraft scene without Idra is just a little bit less interesting. I'd speculate that it's more likely EG made an ultimatum to Idra. Something like: "apologize to the community, make a real changes to your personality or else" . . . then Idra blew them off. | ||
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WickedBit
United States343 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:53 Holgerius wrote: He did pursue his dream, yes, but it most definitely was a sacrifice. He moved to the other side of the world to play a computer game instead of going to college (a move which wasn't exactly approved of by his father). Now, you have to realize it wasn't the same situation back then as it is now with GOM and everything; there hadn't been a succesful foreigner (''succesful'', as in actually getting a single game on TV) in Korea for years, and the competition in BW back then was about 50x tougher than it is in SC2 today. And how is that a sacrifice ? Entitled much ?!! | ||
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Jochan
Poland1730 Posts
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