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On May 10 2013 09:35 uberism wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:32 jinorazi wrote:On May 10 2013 09:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 10 2013 08:17 WhiteSatin wrote:On May 10 2013 08:11 GreenHorizons wrote:
42 pages of posts in less than an hour, 10k viewers rushed into SotG in a few minutes, and multiple shows will stack viewers wanting updates.
If a sponsor/team isn't on top of this they should be firing their head hunters.
you're wrong to analyze it the way you are - this does not imply that idra should be hired in a new team- this means that people are commenting/watching on the 'event' itself unfold. there are many people in this thread -if you reaed it carefully- (just like me) who are supporting th fact that EG finally released someone who has been acting as a dick, has been disrespectful and has not put up any results. idra at this point is just like destiny - a guy with a niche of hardcore fans who follow him, but that's about it. he can probably make an OK living streaming.. from a talent pov he's got nothing.. and from the "personality" stand point, 90% of the community is fed up by him. Sponsors care about eyeballs. TL is already generically cashing in on all the people reading through the 60+ pages this has already generated. (At least those that that aren't hurting the TL elephant!) Marketing has actually been making a marked shift toward "micro-targeting". A group of 3-10k hardcore fans/haters is perfect for savvy marketing teams. Idra has the opportunity to command all of the SC2 community attention and any sponsor could get a bargain for views per $ regardless of perceptions of his attitude (They have commercials on the "Teen Mom" and "Honey Boo Boo" franchises, don't they?) Just to put this in perspective about where the clicks/eyes are Thread ___________________________________________________Replies_______Views[Code S] Group of Death Ro16 Group B 2012 GSL S3___________ 3921________250838
Evil Geniuses Releases Greg "IdrA" Fields____________________1295_______ 247198Code S from 1 year ago This thread started a couple hours ago...... really? obama rapes a child, gets spammed and talked about, and the conclusion is obama is good because he brings popoularity? if you havnt noticed, alot of people are talking shit to idra and praising eg more so than the opposite Nice example, comparing rape to BM. So all heel wrestlers in the WWE should be fired because they are rude to their fans?
the point of the example was turning something negative into positive and that example was for something that would be clearly talk worthy.
wwe is entertainment, not a competition. if people watch sc2 for entertainment in bm, they should love wwe also, and should stick to wwe instead of complaining about professionalism in a professional competition.
edit: bad example i guess so lets change it to boston bombing. it got shit load of attention, so i guess to your standards, bombing marathon is good since it gathers attention.
and incase for idra; who cares about bm? it brings attention and attention is all that is needed for successful esports organization. yeah, totally.
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On May 10 2013 09:32 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 10 2013 08:17 WhiteSatin wrote:On May 10 2013 08:11 GreenHorizons wrote:
42 pages of posts in less than an hour, 10k viewers rushed into SotG in a few minutes, and multiple shows will stack viewers wanting updates.
If a sponsor/team isn't on top of this they should be firing their head hunters.
you're wrong to analyze it the way you are - this does not imply that idra should be hired in a new team- this means that people are commenting/watching on the 'event' itself unfold. there are many people in this thread -if you reaed it carefully- (just like me) who are supporting th fact that EG finally released someone who has been acting as a dick, has been disrespectful and has not put up any results. idra at this point is just like destiny - a guy with a niche of hardcore fans who follow him, but that's about it. he can probably make an OK living streaming.. from a talent pov he's got nothing.. and from the "personality" stand point, 90% of the community is fed up by him. Sponsors care about eyeballs. TL is already generically cashing in on all the people reading through the 60+ pages this has already generated. (At least those that that aren't hurting the TL elephant!) Marketing has actually been making a marked shift toward "micro-targeting". A group of 3-10k hardcore fans/haters is perfect for savvy marketing teams. Idra has the opportunity to command all of the SC2 community attention and any sponsor could get a bargain for views per $ regardless of perceptions of his attitude (They have commercials on the "Teen Mom" and "Honey Boo Boo" franchises, don't they?) Just to put this in perspective about where the clicks/eyes are Thread ___________________________________________________Replies_______Views[Code S] Group of Death Ro16 Group B 2012 GSL S3___________ 3921________250838
Evil Geniuses Releases Greg "IdrA" Fields____________________1295_______ 247198Code S from 1 year ago This thread started a couple hours ago...... really? obama rapes a child, gets spammed and talked about, and the conclusion is obama is good because he brings popoularity? if you havnt noticed, alot of people are talking shit to idra and praising eg more so than the opposite
Umm... I'm not saying anything about him as a person I'm talking about him as an advertising vehicle.
Don't think EG didn't consider how much publicity this would bring them and how they would capitalize on it already too.
It would be interesting to see an age poll of who is following this thread
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Thanks Mr Garfield. Much appreciated.
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On May 10 2013 09:44 Shoxy wrote:
Esports needs people like IdrA. Quite simply because the general population of the world are more similar to IdrA than anyone would like to admit. I watch and follow Greg because I have a similar view and mindset. If someone is a noob, no skill cheeser, I'm going to call them one. IF a game wasn't good, I'm not going to GG, why should I, because it's "manner"? who gives a shit, I'm not going to lose any sleep, neither will they.
If you think a person deserves to lose his team, and basically his livelihood, simply because of things he said, and his "manners" then freedom of speech is truly dead.
If esports degenerates into a bunch of circle jerking, let's hold each other's hands even though we're opponents, let's all love each other and be nice bunch of hippies, I don't want anything to do with it, and I"m pretty sure I'm not alone.
Plus you're all a bunch of pussies. BAD move by EG.
Freedom of Speech is about what the government can or cannot do. It doesn't mean "I get to be a raging douchebag and never be punished for it." It means the government can't shut them up; the rest of society is under no such restrictions to tolerate raging douchebags.
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On May 10 2013 09:46 worosei wrote:
yeah i think this is a terrible move by EG.
to me, Idra WAS EG. Sure he hasnt been performing well of late. But I feel that he's done so much for the image and branding of EG so far. The first 'big' sign-up. And IdrA, fault him as you will. He has personality. He's a rare individual in that he doesnt need to be liked with the community (and it's better that he's not liked!). He just needs to get on the with the game.
Disappointed by EG in this. I feel it's releasing him more for his results than anything else though.
If this was about results he would have been removed long ago.
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Truly is about time, his poor attitude has infested SC2 for far too long.
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On May 10 2013 09:46 rasnj wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:40 Diks wrote:
I'm sad, Idra was like THE iconic player from EG.
This company is called Evil Genius for god's sake. Idra never struck me as evil, more like angry, emotional and maybe mean. Neither did he seem to be a genius, in fact his in-game decisions were some of the worst from any pro-player. In any case evil genius is just a name, and not what they look for in a player. Do you think Fnatic looks for fanatics? Liquid looks for people with abnormal liquid intake? Axiom looks for mathematicians or logicians? IM looks for miracles? MVP only cares about getting the MVP award? TSL only wanted players who lived like an scv?
Oh man, you made me laugh :D
You're right, but still, in the back of my mind, Idra made sense to the Evil Genius's brand name
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On May 10 2013 09:40 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:38 ash88 wrote:On May 10 2013 09:36 SCST wrote: Unlike you, most people aren't masochists and don't like to be called "fucks" after patronizing a business. This analogy over emphasizes Idra's importance. Lot's of players on lots of sports teams do things that I would find personally insulting. I don't condemn the entire sport because of it. You're trying really hard to make this work. How many professional athletes called their viewers / fans "a bunch of fucks" and still remain on the team? Get real man.
Don't make it personal dude. It weakens your point.
I don't know what a professional sports team would do. I do know what they wouldn't do though - they wouldn't have a knee jerk reaction and get rid of the guy within days. Hell, there have been athletes charged with murder that got more respect from their teams then that.
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On May 10 2013 09:07 Hitch-22 wrote:
One of those moments where you realize EG became EG because of the Gracken butnow that EG has grown up they have no more need for hiim and toss him aside, that's how I'm reading this.
Yeah try to manage your own team and pay someone who knows how much money who stopped giving a shit so long ago and has no plan to start giving a shit again. Make it happen, please.
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Good move by EG. Kind of an odd timing, I suppose, given IdrA's history but that history informed this decision certainly. And oddly, I'll probably be a bigger fan of EG now despite liking IdrA a couple years ago. Still, good luck to him and even better luck for EG.
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This feels more like EG woke up to themselves, rather than any kind of camel straw deal, or anything Greg saying being THAT bad.
If EG have made a decision to raise the standards, then great. Otheriwse i don't buy their reasoning for sacking him.
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On May 10 2013 09:39 Tz1k1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:32 Wingblade wrote:On May 10 2013 09:27 Tz1k1 wrote:
Honestly think EG made a mistake here.
IdrA is the only reason i personally followed anything to do with EG, their other players or InControl's shitty jokes.
IdrA made EG, and to be honest its called EVIL Genius. Bad mouthing people is kinda of in the name. frankly the community has been slamming idra everytime i see his streams, so what if he snaps and hits back? isnt he entitled to? bot he and everyone else knows he isnt "paid" to bad mouth the community, but he is paid to be a member of it, and when the community bad mouths him, the same community he's paid to interact with, the same community that either loves or hates him for his bad manners. Then no matter how you look at it, he IS paid to bad mouth people. Its how he's been recognised, its how he brought EG to be noticed, and its what we expect of him.
in all sincerity i hope to see Greg stay in the sc2 scene as a Pro Gamer, and i hope he destroys everyone in EG he faces. There are only about 2 people in EG worth keeping. Geoff and Bryce suck (result wise). Great you followed EG only because of IdrA. Other people, more levelheaded and interested in someone's skill and results than how BM they are followed Eg because they had actual good players who were actually competitive. IdrA, in the pro scene, is not good nor is he competitive anymore. He couldn't get top 16 GM for SHOUTcraft in NA. Long way from someone who was a top foreigner in 2011. He doesn't produce results and he hasn't accomplished anything besides giving the proverbial finger to the entire community in at least six months. Goodbye IdrA. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. E-sports, and in fact any sport, is primarily about entertainment. and Idra entertaind with his bad manners. the only reason people make money in sports is because it entertains the fans / community. as for results, how many result has incontrol gotten? huk? machine? Incontrol doesnt win a damn thing or even place that well in them. by your logic he should be dropped to, but he isnt. because for some reason people like him.
Because Incontrol has a different PR scheme. He doesn't boast about his skill. He's turned to casting and has a funny, witty personality. Made fun of his own skill which is a +.
Huk hasn't said he's the shiz. His "top 3 control" comment gets made fun of once a while. But he was one of top foreigner at that time, and he doesn't brag about his play nowadays.
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I really think this is for the best.
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On May 10 2013 09:42 dsousa wrote:
Idra should get pissed.... start his own team...... and send Alex Garfield to the poorhouse.
He built EG, he could build another team.
LMAO! At Idra "building" EG. Do you have any fucking clue how big EG is? They could drop their SC2 division entirely tomorrow and not miss a step.
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2010: Idra > EG
2011: Idra = EG
2012: Idra < EG
2013: Idra /= EG
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On May 10 2013 09:49 Jimz1469 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:07 Hitch-22 wrote:
One of those moments where you realize EG became EG because of the Gracken butnow that EG has grown up they have no more need for hiim and toss him aside, that's how I'm reading this. Yeah try to manage your own team and pay someone who knows how much money who stopped giving a shit so long ago and has no plan to start giving a shit again. Make it happen, please.
Yeah, so you thank Idra for his service and move on. You don't throw him under the bus by impugning his character when you do it.
Alex Garfield was acting on idra rage when he fired idra for idra rage.
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Idra would be a perfect "personality" he could fill a role that nobody has filled in eSports. That talk show host Jim Rome guy who can be on his chair talking smack about anyone who whomever he wants.
He could then get away with saying stuff like "That guy is a trash Terran" "This guy has no skill" it would be gold. He could stream games, do coaching and then his commentary side. Imagine Day9 but instead a mean son of a bitch persona.
I would prefer he move on with his life but thats his decision, I hope he goes to a team who has a very strict coach like some ball buster from Korea. He needs to retrain his brain.
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On May 10 2013 09:46 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:41 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 10 2013 09:38 KristofferAG wrote:On May 10 2013 09:33 figq wrote:On May 10 2013 09:27 KristofferAG wrote:On May 10 2013 09:25 figq wrote:On May 10 2013 09:18 Hassybaby wrote:On May 10 2013 09:16 figq wrote:On May 10 2013 09:03 Redox wrote:
Never understood what the big deal about him was. he was not a factor competetively for a long time. Yeah sometimes he did some "funny" antics, but that was about all he brought to the table. He's a Broodwar legend among foreigners. He's like the foreigner Boxer. Even when he's not really competitive, there's a huge community that follows his every step. Except Boxer made a significant contribution to esports. Idra did the exact opposite. Idra sacrificed his life in America to live in Korea in a professional team house and practice 24/7 at a time when the foreign Broodwar was long past its bright sparks (like Grrrr... and ElkY). His dedication has inspired many people. He was just as annoyingly whiny in BW, and people were just as split about him back then as they were now. Maybe even more, considering he was one of few foreign faces ever in the Korean scene. But of course he was whiny and controversial back then too, he's Idra, after all. Doesn't change the fact he was the most relevant foreigner for some time. Without a doubt, he racked up some seriously impressive achievements, and he does deserve some respect, but still not even remotely comparable to BoxeR in the big, esports picture. Hell, I'd say someone like Grrr..., Elky and Legionnaire rank higher in that regard, though they were all in a completely different period of time. You're talking two different things. IdrA's contribution wasn't results or persona, it was outreach. Many more people know of IdrA than Boxer. Hell, my gf knows IdrA but hasn't heard of Boxer (or perhaps heard the name when MKP wore it  ). Whether you like this or not is irrelevant. Idra more popular/more known than boxer? that's funny, maybe if you talk about the american scene or w/e but in korea he's more popular/known than idra ever could hope to be .
Sure, Boxer is more popular in Korea. But that's only BW era Korea. The scene has grown enormous and global compared to what it was then. For better or worse, the first years of this growth were IdrA years.
Now let's hope the scene will keep growing...
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Great news to wake up to. A toxic player to the community, he's lucky he has lasted this long in an organization. cya don't come back.
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On May 10 2013 09:49 ash88 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:40 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 09:38 ash88 wrote:On May 10 2013 09:36 SCST wrote: Unlike you, most people aren't masochists and don't like to be called "fucks" after patronizing a business. This analogy over emphasizes Idra's importance. Lot's of players on lots of sports teams do things that I would find personally insulting. I don't condemn the entire sport because of it. You're trying really hard to make this work. How many professional athletes called their viewers / fans "a bunch of fucks" and still remain on the team? Get real man. Don't make it personal dude. It weakens your point. I don't know what a professional sports team would do. I do know what they wouldn't do though - they wouldn't have a knee jerk reaction and get rid of the guy within days. Hell, there have been athletes charged with murder that got more respect from their teams then that.
It's not personal at all, to ease that concern.
It's true that athletes have done horrible things and been given second chances on sports teams. However, name me one professional athlete that has directly insulted his fans and his entire sporting community? I honestly can't think of any instance. That isn't a coincidence in my opinion.
Most people in the community are in agreement by a huge margin. EG did the right thing.
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