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On May 10 2013 09:32 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:27 Tz1k1 wrote:
Honestly think EG made a mistake here.
IdrA is the only reason i personally followed anything to do with EG, their other players or InControl's shitty jokes.
IdrA made EG, and to be honest its called EVIL Genius. Bad mouthing people is kinda of in the name. frankly the community has been slamming idra everytime i see his streams, so what if he snaps and hits back? isnt he entitled to? bot he and everyone else knows he isnt "paid" to bad mouth the community, but he is paid to be a member of it, and when the community bad mouths him, the same community he's paid to interact with, the same community that either loves or hates him for his bad manners. Then no matter how you look at it, he IS paid to bad mouth people. Its how he's been recognised, its how he brought EG to be noticed, and its what we expect of him.
in all sincerity i hope to see Greg stay in the sc2 scene as a Pro Gamer, and i hope he destroys everyone in EG he faces. There are only about 2 people in EG worth keeping. Geoff and Bryce suck (result wise). Great you followed EG only because of IdrA. Other people, more levelheaded and interested in someone's skill and results than how BM they are followed Eg because they had actual good players who were actually competitive. IdrA, in the pro scene, is not good nor is he competitive anymore. He couldn't get top 16 GM for SHOUTcraft in NA. Long way from someone who was a top foreigner in 2011. He doesn't produce results and he hasn't accomplished anything besides giving the proverbial finger to the entire community in at least six months. Goodbye IdrA. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
E-sports, and in fact any sport, is primarily about entertainment. and Idra entertaind with his bad manners. the only reason people make money in sports is because it entertains the fans / community.
as for results, how many result has incontrol gotten? huk? machine? Incontrol doesnt win a damn thing or even place that well in them. by your logic he should be dropped to, but he isnt. because for some reason people like him.
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I'm also surprised that the guy who baited Idra into saying what he did got a pretty accurate/thoughtful response from Idra at first, then decided to just troll him with and leave the thread. Kinda fucked up.
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Huge mistake by EG. No matter what you say, EG just released their player with the biggest fan base. And by fan base I don't only include people who like him. We are all fans of Idra in a way, whether we hate him or like him. We go out of our way to go on his stream and flame him, we go out of our way to defend him. We go out of our way to watch a stream with him playing just to route for or against him. Besides Naniwa (who I think is a total douche with no real results to back his douche-ness), who is the bad boy in the scene now? We loved to love, and we loved to hate Idra, not a single other professional SC2 player brings that to the table across the foreign and Korean scene.
If Idra does stay with SC2, this will only make him more popular and whatever team he joins will immediately gain a ton of fans and haters. His matches against EG players will be even bigger, and the haters will get even madder. Maybe a few months down the road this will turn into a great thing for Idra...who knows.
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On May 10 2013 09:36 Infernal_dream wrote:
People want to see skillfull players or players that give back to the community in streams. Idra did neither.
Not true. There are plenty of terrible people who play this game that get an absurd amount of viewers... not because they are good at the game, but because they are entertaining.
eg. MaximusBlack
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On May 10 2013 09:32 jax1492 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:25 figq wrote:On May 10 2013 09:18 Hassybaby wrote:On May 10 2013 09:16 figq wrote:On May 10 2013 09:03 Redox wrote:
Never understood what the big deal about him was. he was not a factor competetively for a long time. Yeah sometimes he did some "funny" antics, but that was about all he brought to the table. He's a Broodwar legend among foreigners. He's like the foreigner Boxer. Even when he's not really competitive, there's a huge community that follows his every step. Except Boxer made a significant contribution to esports. Idra did the exact opposite. Idra sacrificed his life in America to live in Korea in a professional team house and practice 24/7 at a time when the foreign Broodwar was long past its bright sparks (like Grrrr... and ElkY). His dedication has inspired many people. I agree, idra sacrificed a lot for foreigners being able to go to korea. i dont think people who are new to sc2 know this.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?
You guys make it literally sound that Idra was the first non-Korean to be over in Korea for an extended period of time and that opened doors for people after him...which is a GIANT fuck you to every other non-Korean who was there before he was and had actual accomplishments so someone like Idra would even be considered to go there. Idra on the level of Elky and Grrr...gotta be fucking kidding me.
Foreign Brood War long past its bright sparks? Really? Did nobody read TT1's blog post?
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On May 10 2013 09:30 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 08:17 WhiteSatin wrote:On May 10 2013 08:11 GreenHorizons wrote:
42 pages of posts in less than an hour, 10k viewers rushed into SotG in a few minutes, and multiple shows will stack viewers wanting updates.
If a sponsor/team isn't on top of this they should be firing their head hunters.
you're wrong to analyze it the way you are - this does not imply that idra should be hired in a new team- this means that people are commenting/watching on the 'event' itself unfold. there are many people in this thread -if you reaed it carefully- (just like me) who are supporting th fact that EG finally released someone who has been acting as a dick, has been disrespectful and has not put up any results. idra at this point is just like destiny - a guy with a niche of hardcore fans who follow him, but that's about it. he can probably make an OK living streaming.. from a talent pov he's got nothing.. and from the "personality" stand point, 90% of the community is fed up by him. Sponsors care about eyeballs. TL is already generically cashing in on all the people reading through the 60+ pages this has already generated. (At least those that that aren't hurting the TL elephant!) Marketing has actually been making a marked shift toward "micro-targeting". A group of 3-10k hardcore fans/haters is perfect for savvy marketing teams. Idra has the opportunity to command all of the SC2 community attention and any sponsor could get a bargain for views per $ regardless of perceptions of his attitude (They have commercials on the "Teen Mom" and "Honey Boo Boo" franchises, don't they?) Just to put this in perspective about where the clicks/eyes are Thread ___________________________________________________Replies_______Views[Code S] Group of Death Ro16 Group B 2012 GSL S3___________ 3921________250838
Evil Geniuses Releases Greg "IdrA" Fields____________________1295_______ 247198Code S from 1 year ago This thread started a couple hours ago......
but its really not comparable is it? lets put it this way. everyone knows idra is probably the biggest name in starcraft, and yet demuslim gets more stream viewers? idra can trend on twitter but dreamhack last month without him was the biggest event in in years, maybe ever (especially when you factor in its small scale)? idra raging out gets top of reddit every time, but then again so does every parody song or hype video.
then you also have to factor in the 'cost' of idra. not only to a brands PR, but also to the cost to actually use him. to a small-medium team that markets through event appearances, idra was/is becoming more and more irrelevant, he doesnt get as many invites these days and doesnt qualify for much so if your team cant afford the flights you cant use him. and then you look at how EG does use him, its those parody videos like the kingston comercials or whatever, no other team dose that, so to another team this bonus image is worthless.
so idra is a weird dichotomy. on one hand, you have to agree with people like incontrol that hes probably still the biggest name in esports, love him or hate him no one has more name recognition than idra. but then theres the flip side of that, apart from a team like EG with the funds to use him and the 'evil' image to support, what team actually wants idra? a players value at the end of the day is based on what people are willing to pay him, not some abstract formula where you factor in variables, and i dont think another team out there would pay him the same even if they could (which they probably cant).
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On May 10 2013 09:35 MaeStrO.OrtSeaM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:33 TheSir wrote:On May 10 2013 09:28 ash88 wrote:On May 10 2013 09:19 MaeStrO.OrtSeaM wrote:
I might get burned for this, but I really don't care..
The amount of hate towards Greg is pathetic, really really pathetic.
"He deserved it", sure, he said things that were crossing the line, done things that were deemed bad mannered.. But the community riding him for his attitude since the very beginning surely hasn't helped him either. The guy tried to work on his attitude, getting professional help and when he cursed even once after people knew about him getting professional help, most of you were like "It's not helping, still so bm" blablabla, the community kept on riding him and honestly, those who call Greg toxic, look at the community as a whole first.
The community consists of hypocrites, morons.. And people are talking about making e-sports as big as any other professional sport? Gl with that, especially with the kind of community sc2 has..
When it comes to his words about the community.. can't help but agree with the lad. Well said. To reiterate: these people, so called "fans", with all their BM about how "Idra deserved it" don't know Greg. The way they mistake "passion" for "evil" is demonstrative of their age. And while I expect that from the mob, I don't expect that from the professionals leading EG. It's like the community is a bunch of retards or something. If only we could pay someone to inform them of this. So you specially made a account on a community forum to give your opinion about the community.... yeah you show how smart you are. Do we really need to take you guys seriously? You and your silly assumption that I made this account just to post this.. wake up lad. "You show how smart you are" right back at you, now fuck up.
Your original post disgusts me. IdrA cannot control the community, he can only control himself. If IdrA is letting a bunch of randoms on the internet get to him, then he has issues, and it is HIS responsibility to deal with them. No one should feel bad for a guy who can't handle harsh words from people anonymously staring at a screen.
I refuse to feel bad for a person who let random people HE DOESN'T KNOW and can't see affect him this much. He needs to grow up, and so do you for attempting to blame other people for his issues. He can only handle himself, and he did it horribly.
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On May 10 2013 09:28 ash88 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:19 MaeStrO.OrtSeaM wrote:
I might get burned for this, but I really don't care..
The amount of hate towards Greg is pathetic, really really pathetic.
"He deserved it", sure, he said things that were crossing the line, done things that were deemed bad mannered.. But the community riding him for his attitude since the very beginning surely hasn't helped him either. The guy tried to work on his attitude, getting professional help and when he cursed even once after people knew about him getting professional help, most of you were like "It's not helping, still so bm" blablabla, the community kept on riding him and honestly, those who call Greg toxic, look at the community as a whole first.
The community consists of hypocrites, morons.. And people are talking about making e-sports as big as any other professional sport? Gl with that, especially with the kind of community sc2 has..
When it comes to his words about the community.. can't help but agree with the lad. Well said. To reiterate: these people, so called "fans", with all their BM about how "Idra deserved it" don't know Greg. The way they mistake "passion" for "evil" is demonstrative of their age. And while I expect that from the mob, I don't expect that from the professionals leading EG. It's like the community is a bunch of retards or something. If only we could pay someone to inform them of this.
This isn't any worse than other sports communities. You can't take twitch chat remarks seriously or as a representative sample either.
Fact of the matter is, he has been ruining matches by leaving quickly and then throwing the next few games until he's out of the tournament.
Though this is the first time I remmeber him flaunting his position on a team, his salary and claiming that nothing will happen because fans will keep taking it.
More than anything, the quick leaving attitude is what people disdain the most, and that is what is toxic really. Remarking on how a community heckles or what not is just a silly thing to point out as society always reacts this way to any juicy bit of news, whether it is in the movie industry or esports. 'Hypocritical' or not, people are right to not want to take someone who essentially makes tournaments all about guessing what time he will leave the game, and outright arrogance towards the community.
I don't buy that the community has had a bad effect on his psychology, like it 'abused' him or something. He gets paid well because of his notoriety, and he explicitly flaunts his comfy life as exemplified by the post that got him banned.
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On May 10 2013 09:38 ash88 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:36 SCST wrote: Unlike you, most people aren't masochists and don't like to be called "fucks" after patronizing a business. This analogy over emphasizes Idra's importance. Lot's of players on lots of sports teams do things that I would find personally insulting. I don't condemn the entire sport because of it.
You're trying really hard to make this work.
How many professional athletes called their viewers / fans "a bunch of fucks" and still remain on the team? Get real man.
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On May 10 2013 09:33 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:28 Puph wrote:
This is stupid. Tell me, who was NOT aware that IdrA believes we are Twitch.tv chat spamming pieces of shit? Because we are. This is what we do. We crowd in IdrA's channel and shout obscenities. I don't see a problem with IdrA calling us out on it because if we did not see it, we would be blind.
That's exactly Idra's mistake that cost him his job. Not such a smart move to generalize and assume that "all" people are the same, is it? Kind of like stereotyping don't you think? We aren't all "fucks" that spam stream-chats. Most of us don't even use stream-chats. Most of the community are not trolls. Most of the community is actually a mature, genuinely interested audience. Teams like EG don't want to alienate their customers. It's like owning a bakery and telling customers that walk in "you are a fat fuck, can't believe you eat my pastries HAHA" . . .
Stereotyping? The majority of the feedback he receives is likely in his twitch chat, take any man and submit him to this and I won't be surprised with the outcome. is it that far of a stretch to assume he is speaking of a minority? because last I checked, minorities have observable qualities too.
anyhow, i feel like the butthurt is much too high. not only for the offended community but the idra fan boys as well. is what he said THAT far off from what he always says? what we have tolerated for so long? kind of a joke to call it now, in my opinion. Obviously we are all free to hold opinions on the matter, and I am certain they will be varied, what with such a touchy topic.
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On May 10 2013 09:39 Di3s3l wrote:
Huge mistake by EG. No matter what you say, EG just released their player with the biggest fan base. And by fan base I don't only include people who like him. We are all fans of Idra in a way, whether we hate him or like him. We go out of our way to go on his stream and flame him, we go out of our way to defend him. We go out of our way to watch a stream with him playing just to route for or against him. Besides Naniwa (who I think is a total douche with no real results to back his douche-ness), who is the bad boy in the scene now? We loved to love, and we loved to hate Idra, not a single other professional SC2 player brings that to the table across the foreign and Korean scene.
If Idra does stay with SC2, this will only make him more popular and whatever team he joins will immediately gain a ton of fans and haters. His matches against EG players will be even bigger, and the haters will get even madder. Maybe a few months down the road this will turn into a great thing for Idra...who knows.
He must have caused an issue with sponsors. At a certain point being a cunt is bad for sponsors.
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On May 10 2013 09:32 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 10 2013 08:17 WhiteSatin wrote:On May 10 2013 08:11 GreenHorizons wrote:
42 pages of posts in less than an hour, 10k viewers rushed into SotG in a few minutes, and multiple shows will stack viewers wanting updates.
If a sponsor/team isn't on top of this they should be firing their head hunters.
you're wrong to analyze it the way you are - this does not imply that idra should be hired in a new team- this means that people are commenting/watching on the 'event' itself unfold. there are many people in this thread -if you reaed it carefully- (just like me) who are supporting th fact that EG finally released someone who has been acting as a dick, has been disrespectful and has not put up any results. idra at this point is just like destiny - a guy with a niche of hardcore fans who follow him, but that's about it. he can probably make an OK living streaming.. from a talent pov he's got nothing.. and from the "personality" stand point, 90% of the community is fed up by him. Sponsors care about eyeballs. TL is already generically cashing in on all the people reading through the 60+ pages this has already generated. (At least those that that aren't hurting the TL elephant!) Marketing has actually been making a marked shift toward "micro-targeting". A group of 3-10k hardcore fans/haters is perfect for savvy marketing teams. Idra has the opportunity to command all of the SC2 community attention and any sponsor could get a bargain for views per $ regardless of perceptions of his attitude (They have commercials on the "Teen Mom" and "Honey Boo Boo" franchises, don't they?) Just to put this in perspective about where the clicks/eyes are Thread ___________________________________________________Replies_______Views[Code S] Group of Death Ro16 Group B 2012 GSL S3___________ 3921________250838
Evil Geniuses Releases Greg "IdrA" Fields____________________1295_______ 247198Code S from 1 year ago This thread started a couple hours ago...... really? obama rapes a child, gets spammed and talked about, and the conclusion is obama is good because he brings popoularity? if you havnt noticed, alot of people are talking shit to idra and praising eg more so than the opposite
That's an odd paralell imo. Rape is a crime, and afaik being BM isn't. But I see what you mean.
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I'm sad, Idra was like THE iconic player from EG.
This company is called Evil Genius for god's sake.
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On May 10 2013 09:38 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:33 figq wrote:On May 10 2013 09:27 KristofferAG wrote:On May 10 2013 09:25 figq wrote:On May 10 2013 09:18 Hassybaby wrote:On May 10 2013 09:16 figq wrote:On May 10 2013 09:03 Redox wrote:
Never understood what the big deal about him was. he was not a factor competetively for a long time. Yeah sometimes he did some "funny" antics, but that was about all he brought to the table. He's a Broodwar legend among foreigners. He's like the foreigner Boxer. Even when he's not really competitive, there's a huge community that follows his every step. Except Boxer made a significant contribution to esports. Idra did the exact opposite. Idra sacrificed his life in America to live in Korea in a professional team house and practice 24/7 at a time when the foreign Broodwar was long past its bright sparks (like Grrrr... and ElkY). His dedication has inspired many people. He was just as annoyingly whiny in BW, and people were just as split about him back then as they were now. Maybe even more, considering he was one of few foreign faces ever in the Korean scene. But of course he was whiny and controversial back then too, he's Idra, after all. Doesn't change the fact he was the most relevant foreigner for some time. Without a doubt, he racked up some seriously impressive achievements, and he does deserve some respect, but still not even remotely comparable to BoxeR in the big, esports picture. Hell, I'd say someone like Grrr..., Elky and Legionnaire rank higher in that regard, though they were all in a completely different period of time.
You're talking two different things. IdrA's contribution wasn't results or persona, it was outreach. Many more people know of IdrA than Boxer. Hell, my gf knows IdrA but hasn't heard of Boxer (or perhaps heard the name when MKP wore it  ). Whether you like this or not is irrelevant.
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On May 10 2013 09:39 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:19 MaeStrO.OrtSeaM wrote:
I might get burned for this, but I really don't care..
The amount of hate towards Greg is pathetic, really really pathetic.
"He deserved it", sure, he said things that were crossing the line, done things that were deemed bad mannered.. But the community riding him for his attitude since the very beginning surely hasn't helped him either. The guy tried to work on his attitude, getting professional help and when he cursed even once after people knew about him getting professional help, most of you were like "It's not helping, still so bm" blablabla, the community kept on riding him and honestly, those who call Greg toxic, look at the community as a whole first.
The community consists of hypocrites, morons.. And people are talking about making e-sports as big as any other professional sport? Gl with that, especially with the kind of community sc2 has.. LOL @ you actually trying to point the blame on the community as if it itself is the cause of IdrA's bad luck. Not even legitimate of an excuse for him. People start hating on him as a result of his actions. Why does nobody hate on someone like Innovation? Because obviously he doesn't act as verbally abusive as Idra. HMMM, I wonder why the community does that? It's not like Idra hasn't called people a waste of life: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/25/image1ya.png/threatened to beat someone up (which I doubt he could do, to be honest): http://pr0gramm.com/data/images/2011/11/l7hnm.jpgsaying a prominent game designer for SC2 should be raped with a tire iron: http://i.imgur.com/fQNHe.jpgcalling his own teamates a piece of shit: http://i.imgur.com/prFlDN9.jpgbragging about himself getting paid to act like a douche to the community: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=411483¤tpage=4#73wishing people get cancer: http://i.imgur.com/LPgTR0W.jpgoh here's another thing to look at, his ban log from teamliquid someone made a while back: http://i.imgur.com/cULBN.jpgGet off his dick already, fanboy. You reap what you sow, just because he was at one time a successful player doesn't give him immunity to talking shit to whomever to how he sees fit. Being BM is one thing, and did attract him plenty of viewers, but the amount of shit he said over the line went too far. Sponsors love popularity, but they don't want to see the people they pay for wish cancer upon others, hope others get raped by a tire iron, etc.
Get off his dick? Ahh, the internet certainly allows you to use words you wouldn't say offline, but whatever. As a matter of fact, I hardly ever watched his stream, but I did agree with most of his points about the game itself, which is a reason why I hardly touch the game, because it's simply not worth my time. So please, do try again, you might be able to look not half as stupid next time.
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On May 10 2013 09:39 Di3s3l wrote:
Huge mistake by EG. No matter what you say, EG just released their player with the biggest fan base. And by fan base I don't only include people who like him. We are all fans of Idra in a way, whether we hate him or like him. We go out of our way to go on his stream and flame him, we go out of our way to defend him. We go out of our way to watch a stream with him playing just to route for or against him. Besides Naniwa (who I think is a total douche with no real results to back his douche-ness), who is the bad boy in the scene now? We loved to love, and we loved to hate Idra, not a single other professional SC2 player brings that to the table across the foreign and Korean scene.
If Idra does stay with SC2, this will only make him more popular and whatever team he joins will immediately gain a ton of fans and haters. His matches against EG players will be even bigger, and the haters will get even madder. Maybe a few months down the road this will turn into a great thing for Idra...who knows.
This post alone makes me want to claw my eyes out with a rusty spork. HE JUST FINISHED SECOND AT DREAMHACK. He finished in the top 8 of 2 GSLs long after IdrA could come close to competing at that level.
I personally think(and hope with all my heart and soul) that he realizes his inability to actually compete means his time is up, and he retires.
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Idra should get pissed.... start his own team...... and send Alex Garfield to the poorhouse.
He built EG, he could build another team.
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The only people lamenting this are gonna be Greg's teammates who actually liked him and his zealous fanboys. Any individual intersted in actual e-sport, ie competition and quality, knows that Greg has not contributed to the scene in any positive way since early 2012.
If anyone means to say that drawing in drooling plastic league idiots that watch Survivor and Jersey Shore during stream breaks (never playing the game to actually improve. I know there are a lot of people in lower leagues that actually care, so this is not aimed at anyone that does) contribute to meaningful growth then you are mistaken.
It would be like having a whiny moron BM:er complaining (BISHOP OP, BLACK SIDE UP. CHECKMATE!?! THIS GUY IS AN IDIOT) at a chess tournament riding on and solely being invited due to moron's vote and popularity.
I'm fine with SC2 being a niche thing. It can be bigger than it is now, but I don't want it to be something like Football/Soccer, or some other mainstream sport. Like chess, SC2 is a cerebral game and aiming at a mainstream audience will inevitably dumb down the game. Players like IdrA attract viewers based not on skill or value, but based on the drama around him and his polarizing attitude.
EDIT: Some minor edits for clarification.
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On May 10 2013 09:39 Tz1k1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:32 Wingblade wrote:On May 10 2013 09:27 Tz1k1 wrote:
Honestly think EG made a mistake here.
IdrA is the only reason i personally followed anything to do with EG, their other players or InControl's shitty jokes.
IdrA made EG, and to be honest its called EVIL Genius. Bad mouthing people is kinda of in the name. frankly the community has been slamming idra everytime i see his streams, so what if he snaps and hits back? isnt he entitled to? bot he and everyone else knows he isnt "paid" to bad mouth the community, but he is paid to be a member of it, and when the community bad mouths him, the same community he's paid to interact with, the same community that either loves or hates him for his bad manners. Then no matter how you look at it, he IS paid to bad mouth people. Its how he's been recognised, its how he brought EG to be noticed, and its what we expect of him.
in all sincerity i hope to see Greg stay in the sc2 scene as a Pro Gamer, and i hope he destroys everyone in EG he faces. There are only about 2 people in EG worth keeping. Geoff and Bryce suck (result wise). Great you followed EG only because of IdrA. Other people, more levelheaded and interested in someone's skill and results than how BM they are followed Eg because they had actual good players who were actually competitive. IdrA, in the pro scene, is not good nor is he competitive anymore. He couldn't get top 16 GM for SHOUTcraft in NA. Long way from someone who was a top foreigner in 2011. He doesn't produce results and he hasn't accomplished anything besides giving the proverbial finger to the entire community in at least six months. Goodbye IdrA. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. E-sports, and in fact any sport, is primarily about entertainment. and Idra entertaind with his bad manners. the only reason people make money in sports is because it entertains the fans / community. as for results, how many result has incontrol gotten? huk? machine? Incontrol doesnt win a damn thing or even place that well in them. by your logic he should be dropped to, but he isnt. because for some reason people like him.
Incontrol, machine and huk dont tell the fans they are worthless pieces of shit either.
IdrA brought this on himself, EG are not being cruel or unreasonable. They will remain amongst the top eSport teams while IdrA will probably fade away.
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Maybe now he will start caring about results lol
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