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On May 10 2013 09:32 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:27 Tz1k1 wrote:
Honestly think EG made a mistake here.
IdrA is the only reason i personally followed anything to do with EG, their other players or InControl's shitty jokes.
IdrA made EG, and to be honest its called EVIL Genius. Bad mouthing people is kinda of in the name. frankly the community has been slamming idra everytime i see his streams, so what if he snaps and hits back? isnt he entitled to? bot he and everyone else knows he isnt "paid" to bad mouth the community, but he is paid to be a member of it, and when the community bad mouths him, the same community he's paid to interact with, the same community that either loves or hates him for his bad manners. Then no matter how you look at it, he IS paid to bad mouth people. Its how he's been recognised, its how he brought EG to be noticed, and its what we expect of him.
in all sincerity i hope to see Greg stay in the sc2 scene as a Pro Gamer, and i hope he destroys everyone in EG he faces. There are only about 2 people in EG worth keeping. Geoff and Bryce suck (result wise). Great you followed EG only because of IdrA. Other people, more levelheaded and interested in someone's skill and results than how BM they are followed Eg because they had actual good players who were actually competitive. IdrA, in the pro scene, is not good nor is he competitive anymore. He couldn't get top 16 GM for SHOUTcraft in NA. Long way from someone who was a top foreigner in 2011. He doesn't produce results and he hasn't accomplished anything besides giving the proverbial finger to the entire community in at least six months. Goodbye IdrA. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
I always disliked the fact that he showed no love of the game or the community, but to be honest, I also felt he made a good anti-hero. I would watch his games waiting hoping for him to lose. I think the SC2 community will miss having someone to to love to hate.
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You could say he had it coming. Will be interesting to see what happens. Hopefully he doesn't snap and kill someone or something.
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On May 10 2013 09:33 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:28 Puph wrote:
This is stupid. Tell me, who was NOT aware that IdrA believes we are Twitch.tv chat spamming pieces of shit? Because we are. This is what we do. We crowd in IdrA's channel and shout obscenities. I don't see a problem with IdrA calling us out on it because if we did not see it, we would be blind.
That's exactly Idra's mistake that cost him his job. Not such a smart move to generalize and assume that "all" people are the same, is it? Kind of like stereotyping don't you think? We aren't all "fucks" that spam stream-chats. Most of us don't even use stream-chats. Most of the community are not trolls. Most of the community is actually a mature, genuinely interested audience. Teams like EG don't want to alienate their customers. It's like owning a bakery and telling customers that walk in "you are a fat fuck, can't believe you eat my pastries HAHA" . . .
HaHa good point
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Expected this, to be quite honest, how could u not? Any profession except maybe porn, would have the same consequences.
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Good call by E.G. IMO. The rage brought him a lot of viewers, but to have such contempt for the community crosses a line. Lets hope this gives Greg some perspective and he moves on with his career.
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On May 10 2013 09:33 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:28 Puph wrote:
This is stupid. Tell me, who was NOT aware that IdrA believes we are Twitch.tv chat spamming pieces of shit? Because we are. This is what we do. We crowd in IdrA's channel and shout obscenities. I don't see a problem with IdrA calling us out on it because if we did not see it, we would be blind.
That's exactly Idra's mistake that cost him his job. Not such a smart move to generalize and assume that "all" people are the same, is it? Kind of like stereotyping don't you think? We aren't all "fucks" that spam stream-chats. Most of us don't even use stream-chats. Most of the community are not trolls. Most of the community is actually a mature, genuinely interested audience. Teams like EG don't want to alienate their customers. It's like owning a bakery and telling customers that walk in "you are a fat fuck, can't believe you eat my pastries HAHA" . . .
Agreed. The 4k viewers in Idra's channel aren't the entire SC2 community. Of the 4k in his channel probably only 300 use the chat. That damn sure doesn't represent the community. And just like Destiny's chat was only visibly full of trolls doesn't mean everyone who followed destiny was a troll that thrived on douchebaggery. If your only way of getting viewers is calling people trash, fucks, and saying the game balancers should take a tire iron up the ass then you don't deserve to have viewers. That's not content and it's not entertaining. People want to see skillfull players or players that give back to the community in streams. Idra did neither.
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I feel like IdrA is bigger than EG, at least in the SC2 community.
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I wonder if EG will pick up Coca now that Idra is gone, or perhaps a Korean Terran on the down low? This might be the spark EGTL needs for PL, mo' money mo' players.
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Lol, i think the thread page number let alone explains why EG kept Idra... 68 pages in a couple hours
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Well, this is the end of IdrA as we know him for sure. Some smaller team might get in contact with him because of his stream viewer count but his actual tournament results don't speak for him. I'm kinda shocked since he was always on EG and one of my favorite players but he fell apart as a player and as it seems also as a human being. "Raging" (=being disrespectful) at players after a difficult game is OK for me but being that harsh with the community is truly something else. I always felt superior and left out if he insulted people on his channel because most people are actually assholes on the internet and I'm not but now he took it to a different level. I don't want to be labeled as nothing but money. Even if I am nothing but money for him, just don't say it and be friendly to fans from time to time. Well, too late.
PS: Gotta update my signature now ;_;
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On May 10 2013 09:25 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:18 Hassybaby wrote:On May 10 2013 09:16 figq wrote:On May 10 2013 09:03 Redox wrote:
Never understood what the big deal about him was. he was not a factor competetively for a long time. Yeah sometimes he did some "funny" antics, but that was about all he brought to the table. He's a Broodwar legend among foreigners. He's like the foreigner Boxer. Even when he's not really competitive, there's a huge community that follows his every step. Except Boxer made a significant contribution to esports. Idra did the exact opposite. Idra sacrificed his life in America to live in Korea in a professional team house and practice 24/7 at a time when the foreign Broodwar was long past its bright sparks (like Grrrr... and ElkY). His dedication has inspired many people.
I think we have very different definitions of the word "sacrifice", because in my mind he pursued his dream, something most people don't even get the chance to do.
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On May 10 2013 09:33 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:27 KristofferAG wrote:On May 10 2013 09:25 figq wrote:On May 10 2013 09:18 Hassybaby wrote:On May 10 2013 09:16 figq wrote:On May 10 2013 09:03 Redox wrote:
Never understood what the big deal about him was. he was not a factor competetively for a long time. Yeah sometimes he did some "funny" antics, but that was about all he brought to the table. He's a Broodwar legend among foreigners. He's like the foreigner Boxer. Even when he's not really competitive, there's a huge community that follows his every step. Except Boxer made a significant contribution to esports. Idra did the exact opposite. Idra sacrificed his life in America to live in Korea in a professional team house and practice 24/7 at a time when the foreign Broodwar was long past its bright sparks (like Grrrr... and ElkY). His dedication has inspired many people. He was just as annoyingly whiny in BW, and people were just as split about him back then as they were now. Maybe even more, considering he was one of few foreign faces ever in the Korean scene. But of course he was whiny and controversial back then too, he's Idra, after all. Doesn't change the fact he was the most relevant foreigner for some time.
Without a doubt, he racked up some seriously impressive achievements, and he does deserve some respect, but still not even remotely comparable to BoxeR in the big, esports picture. Hell, I'd say someone like Grrr..., Elky and Legionnaire rank higher in that regard, though they were all in a completely different period of time.
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On May 10 2013 09:36 Moa wrote:
I feel like IdrA is bigger than EG, at least in the SC2 community.
They still have Stephano and Jaedong. It's not so bad. If this was EG at the start of SC2, I'd agree. He was still their most popular asset, but it's not like they don't have marketable guys. I'd say having a Stephano, Huk, Jaedong, and the rise of Demuslim's popularity are reasons why they are able to let Idra go.
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It was about time anyway, no results for 2 and a half years. Suppy all the way!
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On May 10 2013 09:36 SCST wrote: Unlike you, most people aren't masochists and don't like to be called "fucks" after patronizing a business.
This analogy over emphasizes Idra's importance.
Lot's of players on lots of sports teams do things that I would find personally insulting. I don't condemn the entire sport because of it.
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On May 10 2013 09:18 HomeWorld wrote:
This thread is a perfect example of how toxic sc2 community can be. Not saying Idra was a saint either.
Yeah in the words of Idra himself the community is a bunch of fucks, it just so happens that he gets paid to treat us.. oh wait no he doesn't.
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On May 10 2013 09:38 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:36 Moa wrote:
I feel like IdrA is bigger than EG, at least in the SC2 community. They still have Stephano and Jaedong. It's not so bad. If this was EG at the start of SC2, I'd agree. He was still their most popular asset, but it's not like they don't have marketable guys. I'd say having a Stephano, Huk, Jaedong, and the rise of Demuslim's popularity are reasons why they are able to let Idra go.
Well, isn't Stephano gonna stop playing soon?
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On May 10 2013 09:19 MaeStrO.OrtSeaM wrote:
I might get burned for this, but I really don't care..
The amount of hate towards Greg is pathetic, really really pathetic.
"He deserved it", sure, he said things that were crossing the line, done things that were deemed bad mannered.. But the community riding him for his attitude since the very beginning surely hasn't helped him either. The guy tried to work on his attitude, getting professional help and when he cursed even once after people knew about him getting professional help, most of you were like "It's not helping, still so bm" blablabla, the community kept on riding him and honestly, those who call Greg toxic, look at the community as a whole first.
The community consists of hypocrites, morons.. And people are talking about making e-sports as big as any other professional sport? Gl with that, especially with the kind of community sc2 has..
LOL @ you actually trying to point the blame on the community as if it itself is the cause of IdrA's bad luck.
Not even legitimate of an excuse for him.
People start hating on him as a result of his actions. Why does nobody hate on someone like Innovation? Because obviously he doesn't act as verbally abusive as Idra.
HMMM, I wonder why the community does that? It's not like Idra hasn't called people a waste of life:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/25/image1ya.png/
threatened to beat someone up (which I doubt he could do, to be honest):
http://pr0gramm.com/data/images/2011/11/l7hnm.jpg
saying a prominent game designer for SC2 should be raped with a tire iron:
http://i.imgur.com/fQNHe.jpg
calling his own teamates a piece of shit:
http://i.imgur.com/prFlDN9.jpg
bragging about himself getting paid to act like a douche to the community:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=411483¤tpage=4#73
wishing people get cancer:
http://i.imgur.com/LPgTR0W.jpg
oh here's another thing to look at, his ban log from teamliquid someone made a while back:
http://i.imgur.com/cULBN.jpg
Get off his dick already, fanboy. You reap what you sow, just because he was at one time a successful player doesn't give him immunity to talking shit to whomever to how he sees fit. Being BM is one thing, and did attract him plenty of viewers, but the amount of shit he said over the line went too far. Sponsors love popularity, but they don't want to see the people they pay for wish cancer upon others, hope others get raped by a tire iron, etc.
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On May 10 2013 09:25 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:18 Hassybaby wrote:On May 10 2013 09:16 figq wrote:On May 10 2013 09:03 Redox wrote:
Never understood what the big deal about him was. he was not a factor competetively for a long time. Yeah sometimes he did some "funny" antics, but that was about all he brought to the table. He's a Broodwar legend among foreigners. He's like the foreigner Boxer. Even when he's not really competitive, there's a huge community that follows his every step. Except Boxer made a significant contribution to esports. Idra did the exact opposite. Idra sacrificed his life in America to live in Korea in a professional team house and practice 24/7 at a time when the foreign Broodwar was long past its bright sparks (like Grrrr... and ElkY). His dedication has inspired many people.
So did Nony and Ret. Are they foreign Broodwar legends too? Like Bisu and Savior (gameplaywise) ? I doubt that Idra was as oustanding a broodwar player, as you mention. Because i recall it otherwise.
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