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Vindicare605
United States16100 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:13 Juggernaut477 wrote: The amount of trash posts in this thread is amazing. Don't worry I've been reporting. Mods are handling it well like they always do when something like this happens. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:07 Redox wrote: but the foreign bw scene was incredibly weak Kinda disagree with that.  The top players in the foreign scene were still insanely good, and the competition was fierce with players such as Ret, Nony, White-Ra. Relatively speaking foreigners were light years from the top korean level, yes I'll give you that, but the climate in BW was something completely different from the one we have in SC2 now. The skill cap was just that much higher. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
nope you're all a bunch of fucks it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome. i dont think he would have gotten more than a warning on TL and some reprimanding words from EG for articulating his opinion on the people in the thread. Essential here is the assumption, that EG would pay him to (...) treat people bad, which is the worst thing to possibly suggest in a marketing sense. On a second note: I realize, it is pathetic, as thousands of guys read that thread and Idra messed it up for himself, but a small part of me feels guilty for reporting that very post /-: | ||
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trada
Germany347 Posts
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BoggieMan
520 Posts
He is lacking results recently, so a team that just wants that won't get him, but he is a really big name in the community, which some teams might value. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:03 Redox wrote: He's a Broodwar legend among foreigners. He's like the foreigner Boxer. Even when he's not really competitive, there's a huge community that follows his every step.Never understood what the big deal about him was. he was not a factor competetively for a long time. Yeah sometimes he did some "funny" antics, but that was about all he brought to the table. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16100 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:15 coverpunch wrote: Huh, I'm surprised that EG took such a strong disciplinary action. I wonder if they gave him the chance to apologize and he refused or something. He had a two-day TL ban so they could have given him that time to cool off. I wouldn't be surprised if that actually happened. Judging from EG's previous dealings with this sort of thing I'd imagine they probably DID try and force him to make a public apology first. If he had refused though that would make this all the more understandable for why he was released. | ||
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askmc70
United States722 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:16 trada wrote: ah man, stephanos got some big shoes to fill now. NASL should invite him so he can talk more smack isin't stephano retiring in 6 months or something? | ||
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:09 jmbthirteen wrote: Idra is big, but he is not bigger than EG. EG was small beans (with relation to MOBA/RTS community) before picking up IdrA, his imagine was everything for them and now that they've grown other products and picked up good koreans he's not nearly as needed and as such hes thrown aside but he branded EG | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10132 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:13 Ghanburighan wrote: Hear hear. Whatever IdrA's shortcomings, you don't publicly chastise someone who has been a long time partner. That only makes EG look bad. There is currently no reason why to be a fan of EG unlike, for example, Kespa teams, or Liquid, or IM. It's a collection of players who were hired when they were at their peak that brought their own fan base. Those fans will also leave when the players leave. I'll take a quick bet that the next player to get "released" for "not being EG enough" is Stephano (who just isn't playing as well as before) who will be released for saying something that is very Stephano but it's actually EGs usually MO of rotating through the most popular players. That goes both ways, you know. Not like i disagree with your view on EG tho. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:03 Maasked wrote: Honestly I am surprised people didnt see this coming for a long time. Idra has refused to dedicate himself to improvement in any way for probably a year now. It is blatantly obvious he doesn't care about the game. In fact I wouldnt doubt that the only reason he has played at all the last few months is to stream to keep his team happy, he was simply sitting back and taking the money. He was becoming toxic to the community and to his team. If he wasn't released now, I'm sure EG wouldn't have renewed his contract. As for people wondering about Machine and Incontrol, they do more than just act as players for the organization, Incontrol specifically puts on a HUGELY positive PR side for the team, he also commits himself to becoming a better person at playing, commentating, etc. Its the fact that Idra just didnt try anymore that makes me glad he is gone. Why wouldn't Alex have mentioned any of these things in his post though? You're basically suggesting he's hiding up the real reasons, when he stated what they were quite bluntly; he let Idra go based on how he treated the community, just like what happened with Orb and the racist remark he made (which I still believe was not intentional). It follows with the pattern; something bad happens that Alex has strong moral issues with, and a person is immediately released or penalized. Unless you have a good reason for us to believe that it had something to do with his dedication to the game, or his toxic attitude to other members of the team, and why Alex wouldn't mention any of this, then you're just speculating and accusing Alex of basically lying without any real evidence. I mean it doesn't even make sense to "cover up" these supposed reasons, its not like he has anything to lose by stating them publicly. I will say what you typed sounds reasonable if we weren't given any reasons, but he gave us one, very explicitly, and it has nothing to do with what you're typing. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:16 Cele wrote: well, the critical line of course is: i dont think he would have gotten more than a warning on TL and some reprimanding words from EG for articulating his opinion on the people in the thread. Essential here is the assumption, that EG would pay him to (...) treat people bad, which is the worst thing to possibly suggest in a marketing sense. On a second note: I realize, it is pathetic, as thousands of guys read that thread and Idra messed it up for himself, but a small part of me feels guilty for reporting that very post /-: I am pretty sure that was more of a last straw then that's the reason. I just can't see EG being happy with idra and then he says that and instead of a punishment they straight out kick him. My assumption from what this sounds like is EG has not been happy with idra's attitude and what not so I would assume this was just a "all right your gone" sort of thing. | ||
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MrTackle
Canada10 Posts
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MetalxStorm
United States71 Posts
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HomeWorld
Romania903 Posts
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SChlafmann
France725 Posts
On the other hand, I wanted to do my own Idra shirts for a w hile now, and I didn't know if I could because of EG. | ||
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:04 c0ldfusion wrote: I still can't believe how cynical some of you are. Are we forgetting that when Idra joined EG he was the de facto best foreigner in the world? And arguably a top 10 SC2 player in general. Prior to him joining EG, their roster consisted of inControl, LzGamer, InkA, StrifeCro and axSlav. Enough said. EG, as we know it today, was built, in no small part, on the back of Greg's renown and results during the early days of SC2. And this is how Alex Garfield chose to show his gratitude? It's a cut-throat world. Because he was top foreigner back in those days and the drama he created, that justified the huge salary he received at EG. That's what EG gave him for the publicity he generated. But when you Idra realize he's nowhere that top anywhere, not even NA, you start raging/showing hatred/creating drama at pretty much everybody, even your own teammates, and Grubby (everybody loves Grubby), just for the sake of only to get views, and then you go and admit your fans are just ferrets feeding off of your rage, how can EG continue to justify the investment in Idra? His stock went downhill while ago, and now just plummeted I always think in management terms, cause it's my major, and I think EG did the right move, even though they can take him back, he cleans up his act a little, not competely cause a complete 180 is too fake. If he doesn't post results, he can go into casting, while still being a little BM if it's in a comedic scenario | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On May 10 2013 09:16 figq wrote: He's a Broodwar legend among foreigners. He's like the foreigner Boxer. Even when he's not really competitive, there's a huge community that follows his every step. Except Boxer made a significant contribution to esports. Idra did the exact opposite. | ||
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
Still, he did say fairly often how the game was garbage etc., and I can't imagine that he is stupid enough to think he wouldn't get in trouble with the team when he made those recent posts. | ||
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