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On May 10 2013 09:19 MaeStrO.OrtSeaM wrote:
I might get burned for this, but I really don't care..
The amount of hate towards Greg is pathetic, really really pathetic.
"He deserved it", sure, he said things that were crossing the line, done things that were deemed bad mannered.. But the community riding him for his attitude since the very beginning surely hasn't helped him either. The guy tried to work on his attitude, getting professional help and when he cursed even once after people knew about him getting professional help, most of you were like "It's not helping, still so bm" blablabla, the community kept on riding him and honestly, those who call Greg toxic, look at the community as a whole first.
The community consists of hypocrites, morons.. And people are talking about making e-sports as big as any other professional sport? Gl with that, especially with the kind of community sc2 has..
Okay I'm going to use your post because this has been said a lot, but the Sc2 community isn't any different than your average professional sport crowd. I have two friends that are professional soccer players and the amount of shit these guys get is infinitely more than what IdrA has to endure from some nerds on the internet. Professional soccer players get harassed in person and even family members feel the heat when they mess up.
Of course much of it depends on how big the team is you play for, but people can be really toxic no matter which community.
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On May 10 2013 09:18 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:16 figq wrote:On May 10 2013 09:03 Redox wrote:
Never understood what the big deal about him was. he was not a factor competetively for a long time. Yeah sometimes he did some "funny" antics, but that was about all he brought to the table. He's a Broodwar legend among foreigners. He's like the foreigner Boxer. Even when he's not really competitive, there's a huge community that follows his every step. Except Boxer made a significant contribution to esports. Idra did the exact opposite.
Idra sacrificed his life in America to live in Korea in a professional team house and practice 24/7 at a time when the foreign Broodwar was long past its bright sparks (like Grrrr... and ElkY). His dedication has inspired many people.
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Going to be interesting to see his viewer count after this. Can imagine he'll have a pretty massive increase after all this.
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I smell a news post sounding something like "IdrA retires from StarCraft 2" in the near future.
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bye bye Greg, no place for BM in the professional scene 
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On May 10 2013 09:25 haffy wrote:
Going to be interesting to see his viewer count after this. Can imagine he'll have a pretty massive increase after all this.
For sure short term, long term? Who knows. Bigger question is if he even continues to play SC2.
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So can Demuslim come back to Inside the Game?
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I guess the scene outgrew Greg and his antics.
No longer can bad manner earn you popularity, you legit have to have skills. Greg just can't keep up with the meta-game, he complains all the time. If there's zergs able to be successful, then anything Greg says are just excuses for his own lack of skills.
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On May 10 2013 09:24 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:23 Ghanburighan wrote:
Just to throw it out there, joining ROOT is the obvious next step for IdrA. Yeah, i am pretty sure he wants to hang out with minigun.
And Puck with him... But that's what people said about IdrA and Huk too.
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Honestly think EG made a mistake here.
IdrA is the only reason i personally followed anything to do with EG, their other players or InControl's shitty jokes.
IdrA made EG, and to be honest its called EVIL Genius. Bad mouthing people is kinda of in the name. frankly the community has been slamming idra everytime i see his streams, so what if he snaps and hits back? isnt he entitled to? bot he and everyone else knows he isnt "paid" to bad mouth the community, but he is paid to be a member of it, and when the community bad mouths him, the same community he's paid to interact with, the same community that either loves or hates him for his bad manners. Then no matter how you look at it, he IS paid to bad mouth people. Its how he's been recognised, its how he brought EG to be noticed, and its what we expect of him.
in all sincerity i hope to see Greg stay in the sc2 scene as a Pro Gamer, and i hope he destroys everyone in EG he faces. There are only about 2 people in EG worth keeping. Geoff and Bryce suck (result wise).
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On May 10 2013 09:26 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:24 Godwrath wrote:On May 10 2013 09:23 Ghanburighan wrote:
Just to throw it out there, joining ROOT is the obvious next step for IdrA. Yeah, i am pretty sure he wants to hang out with minigun. And Puck with him... But that's what people said about IdrA and Huk too.
Yep, but ROOT is more of a family team than EG.
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On May 10 2013 09:25 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 09:18 Hassybaby wrote:On May 10 2013 09:16 figq wrote:On May 10 2013 09:03 Redox wrote:
Never understood what the big deal about him was. he was not a factor competetively for a long time. Yeah sometimes he did some "funny" antics, but that was about all he brought to the table. He's a Broodwar legend among foreigners. He's like the foreigner Boxer. Even when he's not really competitive, there's a huge community that follows his every step. Except Boxer made a significant contribution to esports. Idra did the exact opposite. Idra sacrificed his life in America to live in Korea in a professional team house and practice 24/7 at a time when the foreign Broodwar was long past its bright sparks (like Grrrr... and ElkY). His dedication has inspired many people.
He was just as annoyingly whiny in BW, and people were just as split about him back then as they were now. Maybe even more, considering he was one of few foreign faces ever in the Korean scene.
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On May 10 2013 07:21 Legio wrote:
EG, you should support IdrA, work with him.. not kick him to the curb when he has troubles.
what do you think they've been doing? He can't change his attitude and refuses to do so this is how it had to end up, he chose this path.
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On May 10 2013 09:23 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 08:59 Grumbels wrote:
I wonder if IdrA leaving the scene would have a noticeable negative impact on the SC2 viewership. Did it have a negative impact on Dreamhack since he didn't attend? They hit ~140k viewers. You think it'll have a negative impact on WCS Finals? Idra isn't the draw that he use to be. People need to realize this.
Even morons start to catch on eventually that Idra hates people in general. Whether you are a "fan" of Idra (more like spectators at a freak show) or not . . . you are not a special snowflake. Idra hates your guts just as much as he hates everyone else. This was him just confirming it in public and EG being forced to release him.
His viewership has been dropping significantly lately due to people finally understanding this.
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On May 10 2013 09:19 MaeStrO.OrtSeaM wrote:
I might get burned for this, but I really don't care..
The amount of hate towards Greg is pathetic, really really pathetic.
"He deserved it", sure, he said things that were crossing the line, done things that were deemed bad mannered.. But the community riding him for his attitude since the very beginning surely hasn't helped him either. The guy tried to work on his attitude, getting professional help and when he cursed even once after people knew about him getting professional help, most of you were like "It's not helping, still so bm" blablabla, the community kept on riding him and honestly, those who call Greg toxic, look at the community as a whole first.
The community consists of hypocrites, morons.. And people are talking about making e-sports as big as any other professional sport? Gl with that, especially with the kind of community sc2 has..
When it comes to his words about the community.. can't help but agree with the lad.
Well said.
To reiterate: these people, so called "fans", with all their BM about how "Idra deserved it" don't know Greg. The way they mistake "passion" for "evil" is demonstrative of their age. And while I expect that from the mob, I don't expect that from the professionals leading EG.
It's like the community is a bunch of retards or something. If only we could pay someone to inform them of this.
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On May 10 2013 09:19 MaeStrO.OrtSeaM wrote:
I might get burned for this, but I really don't care..
The amount of hate towards Greg is pathetic, really really pathetic.
"He deserved it", sure, he said things that were crossing the line, done things that were deemed bad mannered.. But the community riding him for his attitude since the very beginning surely hasn't helped him either. The guy tried to work on his attitude, getting professional help and when he cursed even once after people knew about him getting professional help, most of you were like "It's not helping, still so bm" blablabla, the community kept on riding him and honestly, those who call Greg toxic, look at the community as a whole first.
The community consists of hypocrites, morons.. And people are talking about making e-sports as big as any other professional sport? Gl with that, especially with the kind of community sc2 has..
When it comes to his words about the community.. can't help but agree with the lad.
thanks for making a TL account for that
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This is stupid. Tell me, who was NOT aware that IdrA believes we are Twitch.tv chat spamming pieces of shit? Because we are. This is what we do. We crowd in IdrA's channel and shout obscenities. I don't see a problem with IdrA calling us out on it because if we did not see it, we would be blind.
As many have previously mentionned, IdrA is the only one who is not afraid to speak his mind. Sure, sometimes his mind was full of garbage but he has seen every form of pitchfork we have and STILL thrived. That has to mean something.
I am kind of disappointed in the way this was handled. I feel like it has been rehearsed by EG management since day 1; "When IdrA insults the fans; get rid of him" Well... shit!
Edit: To those calling him toxis, I digress. Has anyone opened a starcraft 2 twitch chat in the last year or two? Because I would agree with anything IdrA has to say after seeing that 'filth'
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On May 10 2013 09:19 MaeStrO.OrtSeaM wrote:
I might get burned for this, but I really don't care..
The amount of hate towards Greg is pathetic, really really pathetic.
"He deserved it", sure, he said things that were crossing the line, done things that were deemed bad mannered.. But the community riding him for his attitude since the very beginning surely hasn't helped him either. The guy tried to work on his attitude, getting professional help and when he cursed even once after people knew about him getting professional help, most of you were like "It's not helping, still so bm" blablabla, the community kept on riding him and honestly, those who call Greg toxic, look at the community as a whole first.
The community consists of hypocrites, morons.. And people are talking about making e-sports as big as any other professional sport? Gl with that, especially with the kind of community sc2 has..
When it comes to his words about the community.. can't help but agree with the lad.
You're right though, the community generally is more whiny, more hateful, more useless and more spiteful than any player could be.
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On May 10 2013 09:05 RHoudini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 08:52 Honeybadger wrote:On May 10 2013 08:44 ash88 wrote:Most people need to grow up imho. If people are going to get their titties in a knot because of some "BM" then it only proves this sport is still populated by children.
Letting someone go because they aren't perform is a good thing. Letting someone go because they "hurt your feelings" is ridiculous. This sets the perception of the scene back.
Telling people to grow up and then using the term "titties in a knot" is really, really ironic. Professionalism is severely important in the professional world. Do you walk up to complete strangers and just start ridiculing them? Do you insult your friends in mean, hateful and hurtful ways (not in jest, either)? Of course not. Am I supposed to let my staff make inappropriate comments to or even ABOUT members in public? Professionalism is the reason society exists. BM and posts like yours are more demonstrative that this sport is still filled with children. Do you think Boxer's handshake with every oppnnent, or Idra's childish insulting fans and temper tantrums, is going to do more to overturn the general opinion of "angry nerds in their basement?" Defending a jerk does not validate being a jerk yourself So true. I'm a 40+ year old business owner and have always wondered how an organization like EG can tolerate insulting and unprofessional behavior of key individuals in the organization. Releasing IdrA is a sure sign that this whole eSports business thing is growing up.
But as a business owner you have employment contracts and an employee code of conduct that covers the workplace and in some cases out of work depending on the industry. These rules are upheld and fairly adhered to by management/owners.
Good management of personnel is strong and fair in administering these rules. If you allowed employees to break these rules for months and then finally take the most drastic action by terminating their employment is poor management. Fair enough if the employees action are judged to be gross misconduct and the stated punishment is dismissal but that should happen the instant the employee infringes.
It would be interesting to see what esports players employment contracts state regarding behavior, if what Idra done in the past few days breaks the contract then it was broken along time ago and management has been unwilling to enforce the rules. That is both unfair to Idra but also to the other players who adhere to their contract.
If there is an escalating warning process in place then it is an employers duty to not only give those warnings but also help the employee address their problems that have lead to the warnings. Its called a duty of care and in the UK thats a legal requirement for any employer.
Idra's behavior has been abnormal whether its in normal life or in esports and the reasons for this behavior should have been addressed along time ago.
I do wish Greg all the best for any path that he decides to take.
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