On May 13 2013 03:11 JDI1 wrote: Having been in the CS 1.6 scene and knowing a bit about the LoL scene, gotta say SC nerds are quite a bit more insecure and sensitive to internet insults. We live in a world where drama makes the most money, not being nice. Most people who say GLHF and GG don't mean it anyway - they say it cause it's the norm they're tring to fit in.
Mots people that say "good morning" don't really care for how good a morning you might have. Etiquette is important in the world of adults. Only children and the socially retarded don't understand this. Idra is not a child.
This etiquette is horrible, I would much rather have someone tell me their true feelings that they wish me cancer and die compared to this false shit "good morning", with a fakeass smile. World of adults is really insane. Children are more sane then grown ups, took me a long time to finally wake up and actually see this. They say things right out, and its ME who goes insane in my mind at take offense instead of actually understanding their question and statements. We are all a bunch of sick fucks, and only admitting how insane we are, can we start to actually work on it. Like alcoholics do, they actually stop denying their problem, and admit they are sick.
Many people have already replied to this, but I thought to add what I think as well. There are a few reasons the serialization of intentions to words can be a bad thing. You have the issue of relevance. If what you are trying to communicate is contextual, separating your meaning from the context with words can undermine the point you are trying to make. Another reason people talk indirectly is to give the people they are speaking to an honesty check. For example, if you are not genuinely having a good time friends, they will likely be able to tell how you are feeling by how you talk whether you want them to know or not. Social dishonesty can be okay, but you have to be capable of maintaining it. There is a basic rule I have found to follow. If you want to avoid bad things, try to respond to any social situation so that it reflects how you feel about it, unless you know you want to hide your feelings. Then be very careful to respond as if you felt the way that you have decided to. They key is to respond in a way that will make other people understand how you feel, not in the way that you actually feel. Somewhere between the describing of the feelings and the understanding of the feelings, things get muddled. Always take responsibility for any feelings you let into the open, and make sure they mean to other people what you want them to mean.
On May 13 2013 04:05 ValM wrote: Can someone link me to the Idra's JP interview or any other interview he gave recently please?
Interesting video. While I never really liked his behavior, he is a really good analytical commentator and I'd love to see him cast an MLG or Dreamhack tournament.
I have seen/heard Idra casting some games, I do not remember when or which games but I do remember that I really liked it. He has such a great sense of the game and knowledge and he explains it so good, it is fascinating. I really hope to see him casting some of the big tournaments or games.
As for the whole Idra debate: I do not really get why people are so upset about it. I am 30, I have played games all my live although not competitively, but I am used to a certain gamer talk, where you talk about things more directly or where you let your emotions just out on the chat. Trash talk for me is nothing that should be taken seriously, its just a way to vent. I mean how often have you called another gamer or even a friend an idiot or what not without meaning it seriously in any way? I just don't get the whole excitement about it. If you hear Idra talking when he is relaxed you get to see him as a very intelligent and nice and thinking person who cares about many things. And for me saying stupid things in a game or in the heat of a forum discussion is nothing is maybe not the nicest thing to do, but I get it and I don't complain. For me gaming is something that makes fun, where you can relax or where you can be stressed if you try to achieve something depending on your mood and your goals. But most of all it has the atmosphere of being informal and unstrained, where you can be more human and less the suit and mask and confinement society presses us all into.
He says/said it a lot. It's not difficult to find him saying it, Capoach (Or whatever that player's name is) was the last one that wasn't just a random ladder player.
I like idra, his shit talk is hilarious to me and I enjoy watching him play. He goes overboard sometimes, but he's a character that IMO belongs in the community and makes the sc2/esports scene that much more entertaining. I really wished he could have stayed at a high level of play for a while longer, but everyone has their window of oppurtunity and in esports, it seems careers never last as long as you would think they should. He is still a top notch player and his knowledge of the game is surpassed by very few, if any. I wish him the best of luck in the future and look forward to watching him as a caster.
Great interview. I really like Idra. I'm glad there's someone like him in the community. And I agree, the kind of people he's referring to as "fucks" really are. Keep hating from the bleachers, kids.
On May 13 2013 09:27 Hey Sean. wrote: There's nothing wrong with trash talk
There is something wrong with wishing people cancer
Why don't people understand this
when did he wish people cancer? I thought he just called everyone a bunch of fucks
He said he wished some guy who beat him got cancer. That was a while back, though. The fucks thing was what precipitated the current state of affairs.
If you want another point of reference, he said that David Kim should be raped with a tire iron for making such a bad game while streaming. So some of what Idra does is clearly beyond the pale.
On May 13 2013 03:11 JDI1 wrote: Having been in the CS 1.6 scene and knowing a bit about the LoL scene, gotta say SC nerds are quite a bit more insecure and sensitive to internet insults. We live in a world where drama makes the most money, not being nice. Most people who say GLHF and GG don't mean it anyway - they say it cause it's the norm they're tring to fit in.
Mots people that say "good morning" don't really care for how good a morning you might have. Etiquette is important in the world of adults. Only children and the socially retarded don't understand this. Idra is not a child.
This etiquette is horrible, I would much rather have someone tell me their true feelings that they wish me cancer and die compared to this false shit "good morning", with a fakeass smile. World of adults is really insane. Children are more sane then grown ups, took me a long time to finally wake up and actually see this. They say things right out, and its ME who goes insane in my mind at take offense instead of actually understanding their question and statements. We are all a bunch of sick fucks, and only admitting how insane we are, can we start to actually work on it. Like alcoholics do, they actually stop denying their problem, and admit they are sick.
... who do you think you're kidding here... anybody would take the fake good morning before the "i wish you cancer and die"
ignorance is bliss anyway, why the fuck would you want to know every ill feelings people have towards you
On May 13 2013 03:11 JDI1 wrote: Having been in the CS 1.6 scene and knowing a bit about the LoL scene, gotta say SC nerds are quite a bit more insecure and sensitive to internet insults. We live in a world where drama makes the most money, not being nice. Most people who say GLHF and GG don't mean it anyway - they say it cause it's the norm they're tring to fit in.
Mots people that say "good morning" don't really care for how good a morning you might have. Etiquette is important in the world of adults. Only children and the socially retarded don't understand this. Idra is not a child.
This etiquette is horrible, I would much rather have someone tell me their true feelings that they wish me cancer and die compared to this false shit "good morning", with a fakeass smile. World of adults is really insane. Children are more sane then grown ups, took me a long time to finally wake up and actually see this. They say things right out, and its ME who goes insane in my mind at take offense instead of actually understanding their question and statements. We are all a bunch of sick fucks, and only admitting how insane we are, can we start to actually work on it. Like alcoholics do, they actually stop denying their problem, and admit they are sick.
yeah well, that's what makes humans imperfect, just gotta live with it. If people would just realise things for what they are (words are words, nothing more), there would be less conflict in this world but i guess that is somewhat of a utopia.
I haven't followed the SC2 scene in a while, but reading this made me sad. Its tough to watch things change from the way they used to be, when you loved and followed the scene. So much has changed, and there is still so much that will change before its all over. Idra was a great personality to have in the SC2 community, and I hope he sticks around in some facet or another.
On May 13 2013 09:27 Hey Sean. wrote: There's nothing wrong with trash talk
There is something wrong with wishing people cancer
Why don't people understand this
when did he wish people cancer? I thought he just called everyone a bunch of fucks
He said he wished some guy who beat him got cancer. That was a while back, though. The fucks thing was what precipitated the current state of affairs.
If you want another point of reference, he said that David Kim should be raped with a tire iron for making such a bad game while streaming. So some of what Idra does is clearly beyond the pale.
Really though? words from forums are hurting people? Everyday people on the internet say they will rape your mother and what not but that doesnt mean that they will do it. Come on he clearly just takes his insults to very descriptive doesnt meant that he actually wants the things that he says to happen. I just ask myself how can someone believe that he actually wishes someone to get cancer. Sometimes i wonder if the people that get offended by this have ever played a game on the internet because frankly i have encountered a person who says crap like this at least once a day in my gaming days. Just how online gaming is
This is really surprising to me because I didn't even think idra's comments were that serious. There wasn't any value in his cancer comment and the one he recently made. People are taking things out of context I think. I think it's understandable that people say mean and harsh things when angered and frustrated. That's just human. I rather put things in words and yell at the world than do something physically harmful. I just don't like all these people on this thread saying, oh, he wishes someone has cancer, that must mean he really means it! It's painfully obvious that idra was frustrated and said something he didn't mean. I don't know how anyone would think he really meant that unless they're trying to troll or trying to skew things for the sake of their own personal beliefs or desires. Yeah, it's quite mean, and there are rules and consequences for saying stuff like that as policy of the game, forum and his team, but dont think it warrants creating drama shit storms and hating a guy enough to harass the team's sponsors.
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