On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit.
I don't think the community is that good either, but for different reasons. There was a large enough portion of this community that let a character such as idra gain as much fame and popularity as he did because they enjoy seeing bm and rage. I don't think any mature person can be a fan of such behaviour. People may think they're mature, but they're not if they're into that sort of things.
I don't mind trash talking cause I watch sports and that's all in good fun, but Idra's antic always went beyond that mostly. There's a reason the gaming scene in general isn't looked favourably by the general public and it's because there's an immaturity stigma attached to it. I can't really argue that isn't really the case either. Idra may insult these people, but he fails to realize these same people gave him the popularity and fame he got in the first place. If all these people leave, which I agree with him there, then he wouldn't have been as popular as he was in the first place, which is something he fails to recognize.
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense.
i dont think you have any clue of how business,sponsoring,public image and all that works.
if messi starts to shit on barcas fans tommorrow showing them the finger and telling in interviews that football sucks, fans are stupid etc then he wouldnt be playing for long anymore.
also people dont get butthurt over a little comment. idra has been a douchebag to basicly evryone for the last 10 years. this was just the last straw that made it unbearable to have someone like him running around with sponsors on his jacket. ofc for "lesser" teams idra is still interesting cause the views he creates are more important. but eg is big, eg doesnt need idra and doesnt need a player that just causes trouble again and again and again.
idra is a DAMN lucky fella that there are so many people that accept his bullshit(for whatever reason, its not like hes backing that up with skill,style,personality or anything) and that he got so decent money out of eg. cause we all know with that attitude he wouldnt last in ANY job in the world.
Well here's the thing. None of this would even be in the sponsors attention had it not been for the community acting like pansies over the smallest shit. If you didn't notice in Real Talk, IdrA mentions how the sponsors were getting anxious because of the COMMUNITY BACKLASH. Not of the incident but of the BACKLASH it caused. The fact that the community got so pissed because of something small (if you honestly thought it was a big deal, you should reconsider your life priorities), is a sign that this community is quite frankly dying. We're sitting here scrutinizing people over what they say rather than how they play. Why the fuck does this community care about what the players say? Is this community really that pathetic now that they need to pretend like they're some "white knights" of esports. Esports is DYING because of this community. They put unnecessary attention on the littlest things that sponsors would probably never hear of had it not been of the community backlash. You guys literally give e-sports a bad name because you go apeshit over people raging in a video game. A fucking video game. You guys go apeshit over a person making a controversial joke. You go apeshit over a person making a controversial comment on a forum. Reconsider your priorities because if you honestly care about what these players say, you literally have no life. This community needs to grow the fuck up and grow some balls.
i dont even know what to say. public statements from public persons get read and cared about by the fanbase that basicly pays the person? HOW TOTALLY WEIRD AND UNEXPECTED!
just because you dont understand how the business and sponsoring works and apparently dont know anything about idras past either doesnt mean its fine what he does/did.
also i dont know whos smurf account you are (99% posts in eg/idra threads on a lowpost acc) but it seems YOU are getting upset,YOU are defending a guy that basicly said on many occassions "fuck you i dont give a damn", YOU go into a rage about some guy getting fired in "A GAME". so maybe YOU should get your priorities straight, get a life and all the other fun stuff you wrote there.
On May 12 2013 20:41 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
On May 12 2013 20:35 Rioo wrote:
On May 12 2013 20:27 Mangooze wrote: I bet not a single person on this planet is truly offended by that "fucks" post. I doubt even anyone actually cares about the post itself... people only care about drama around it. It is all bullshit feelings. If a post is against the rules, just ban the user.
The wishing someone cancer thing I think is too much and I understand sponsors and EG had to do something about that.
You don't need to be offended by his behavior to find it pathetic and more suited for a 12 y.o. angry kid, not the "face of American Starcraft" to new viewers.
So it's our job to punish for being who he is? Get real. If he wants to act that way so be it. Don't witch hunt him for being who he is: REAL. Unlike most of these players in this community. Most of these players are FAKE and say the most bullshit responses. That might have flew in 2011 but I'm honestly not impressed anymore since it's same bullshit every single time. I'd much rather have the face of American StarCraft have personality rather than these anti-social zombies be our "Great White Hope."
i wouldnt call it "personality". its more on the side of a mental disorder. but good to know that you like it so much when people treat you like shit and act like arrogant douchebags. im sure the next time a guy comes up in a bar to you and says " he pay me a beer loser" youll go all glowy eyes and admire his great personality right?
I'm only acting out because I care about e-sports. I care about this community as well. I care about this community because our actions are what the sponsors see the most or what the outside world sees the most. Players are not the only ones that represent e-sports. When we talk, we represent it as well. So when we get people fired over stupid shit I get pissed off.
Whenever stuff like the Orb incident or Destiny came out, I kept quiet because I felt that the community would find it's way back. Now we have motherfucking IdrA getting the axe because of his comments. I couldn't take anymore. And people were acting like it wasn't a big deal that he got axed. HE LOST HIS JOB. Not over his RESULTS. But over his DEMEANOR. Even though he is a COMPETITIVE PLAYER. I'd much rather have IdrA be released for results rather than his demeanor. Instead, the community decided to be a like a white knight and witch hunt him. This community is dead to me.
His personality was that he didn't give a shit. And I respect that. Why do you care so much? Shouldn't you be talking about his LACKLUSTER results? Because this is a COMPETITIVE scene. Talk more about how he isn't good. Why the fuck do you care about what he says?
Let me give some examples: 1. Dentist does beautiful work, fantastic fixed prosthodontics, beautiful root canals; tells patients to fuck off and they're worthless -> fired 2. Doctor never misses a diagnosis, treats everything but tells patients to fuck off -> fired. 3. Accountant saves clients every cent but tells them they're pieces of shit -> fired.
In the real world, demeanor is very important. Players on their team are the public image - if they aren't the image the team wants and it is in the contract, the team has every reason to fire them. Don't be under the illusion IdrA was wronged here - I'm quite surprised a well established team did not fire him earlier for all the derogatory comments he makes.
Why do you think they got fired? Publicity. If it got handled quietly they don't get axed. Why do you think you always hear about companies "covering up" stories or doing "settlements" out of court. Because they would do anything to keep their top products with them. However, when the public acts up, that's when the axes come out. That's my point.
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense.
Wrong.
Whoever gives the money sets the rules. And you are right in saying it's SPORTS. He's part of a TEAM. He is part of not only one brand (EG), but a lot of brands (all sponsors). So everything he says should be in line with the CI of all those people. Yes, that's hard, but it's business, and business IS hard. Play by the rules or get sacked.
Their only rule is that if the people get anxious, take the axes out. If you don't believe me, look at all the sports. Athletes say some horrific and immature things in private and public yet people don't get axed. That's because in those communities, people don't give two shits about what the athletes say. They only care about how good the play. At least, that's how all my sports friends are. It's the same logic with regular jobs. You have a guy who works hard, used to be really good and now isn't getting results. Something comes out about what that guy said. That something doesn't get much attention. The bosses realize that they can just ignore the issue and handle it quietly. They don't fire people if their image isn't at stake. Why do you think MLG "terminated" that admin when before they hadn't done such a thing. Because at that time, their image was being threatened. They took a course of action that they didn't take before and had people axed.
Did you really want Idra and EG to continue? Idra was moving in circles, not improving at all about his fighting spirit even after playing in tournaments all these years. Then on top, he was writing stupid shit presumably because of being frustrated. It didn't look like fun watching from the outside, more like being trapped. Over the years, this turned out to be pretty depressing to watch for me.
That first Polt game was looking so good, but the night still ended at 0:4. Seeing a break down was maybe entertaining at first, but in hindsight it's kind of depressing and annoying overall. Whatever problems there are, they will never go away without anyone doing anything drastic.
Quite frankly, I saw this coming but not because of his demeanor, only for his lackluster performances. I knew that one day IdrA would have to leave or be dropped because these results. I'm only mad because it didn't happen that way. It was because of a human error, a post in a forum. That way of going out is honestly so stupid and so meaningless, it's sad.
On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit.
I don't think the community is that good either, but for different reasons. There was a large enough portion of this community that let a character such as idra gain as much fame and popularity as he did because they enjoy seeing bm and rage. I don't think any mature person can be a fan of such behaviour. People may think they're mature, but they're not if they're into that sort of things.
I don't mind trash talking cause I watch sports and that's all in good fun, but Idra's antic always went beyond that mostly. There's a reason the gaming scene in general isn't looked favourably by the general public and it's because there's an immaturity stigma attached to it. I can't really argue that isn't really the case either. Idra may insult these people, but he fails to realize these same people gave him the popularity and fame he got in the first place. If all these people leave, which I agree with him there, then he wouldn't have been as popular as he was in the first place, which is something he fails to recognize.
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense.
i dont think you have any clue of how business,sponsoring,public image and all that works.
if messi starts to shit on barcas fans tommorrow showing them the finger and telling in interviews that football sucks, fans are stupid etc then he wouldnt be playing for long anymore.
also people dont get butthurt over a little comment. idra has been a douchebag to basicly evryone for the last 10 years. this was just the last straw that made it unbearable to have someone like him running around with sponsors on his jacket. ofc for "lesser" teams idra is still interesting cause the views he creates are more important. but eg is big, eg doesnt need idra and doesnt need a player that just causes trouble again and again and again.
idra is a DAMN lucky fella that there are so many people that accept his bullshit(for whatever reason, its not like hes backing that up with skill,style,personality or anything) and that he got so decent money out of eg. cause we all know with that attitude he wouldnt last in ANY job in the world.
Well here's the thing. None of this would even be in the sponsors attention had it not been for the community acting like pansies over the smallest shit. If you didn't notice in Real Talk, IdrA mentions how the sponsors were getting anxious because of the COMMUNITY BACKLASH. Not of the incident but of the BACKLASH it caused. The fact that the community got so pissed because of something small (if you honestly thought it was a big deal, you should reconsider your life priorities), is a sign that this community is quite frankly dying. We're sitting here scrutinizing people over what they say rather than how they play. Why the fuck does this community care about what the players say? Is this community really that pathetic now that they need to pretend like they're some "white knights" of esports. Esports is DYING because of this community. They put unnecessary attention on the littlest things that sponsors would probably never hear of had it not been of the community backlash. You guys literally give e-sports a bad name because you go apeshit over people raging in a video game. A fucking video game. You guys go apeshit over a person making a controversial joke. You go apeshit over a person making a controversial comment on a forum. Reconsider your priorities because if you honestly care about what these players say, you literally have no life. This community needs to grow the fuck up and grow some balls.
i dont even know what to say. public statements from public persons get read and cared about by the fanbase that basicly pays the person? HOW TOTALLY WEIRD AND UNEXPECTED!
just because you dont understand how the business and sponsoring works and apparently dont know anything about idras past either doesnt mean its fine what he does/did.
also i dont know whos smurf account you are (99% posts in eg/idra threads on a lowpost acc) but it seems YOU are getting upset,YOU are defending a guy that basicly said on many occassions "fuck you i dont give a damn", YOU go into a rage about some guy getting fired in "A GAME". so maybe YOU should get your priorities straight, get a life and all the other fun stuff you wrote there.
On May 12 2013 20:41 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
On May 12 2013 20:35 Rioo wrote:
On May 12 2013 20:27 Mangooze wrote: I bet not a single person on this planet is truly offended by that "fucks" post. I doubt even anyone actually cares about the post itself... people only care about drama around it. It is all bullshit feelings. If a post is against the rules, just ban the user.
The wishing someone cancer thing I think is too much and I understand sponsors and EG had to do something about that.
You don't need to be offended by his behavior to find it pathetic and more suited for a 12 y.o. angry kid, not the "face of American Starcraft" to new viewers.
So it's our job to punish for being who he is? Get real. If he wants to act that way so be it. Don't witch hunt him for being who he is: REAL. Unlike most of these players in this community. Most of these players are FAKE and say the most bullshit responses. That might have flew in 2011 but I'm honestly not impressed anymore since it's same bullshit every single time. I'd much rather have the face of American StarCraft have personality rather than these anti-social zombies be our "Great White Hope."
i wouldnt call it "personality". its more on the side of a mental disorder. but good to know that you like it so much when people treat you like shit and act like arrogant douchebags. im sure the next time a guy comes up in a bar to you and says " he pay me a beer loser" youll go all glowy eyes and admire his great personality right?
I'm only acting out because I care about e-sports. I care about this community as well. I care about this community because our actions are what the sponsors see the most or what the outside world sees the most. Players are not the only ones that represent e-sports. When we talk, we represent it as well. So when we get people fired over stupid shit I get pissed off.
Whenever stuff like the Orb incident or Destiny came out, I kept quiet because I felt that the community would find it's way back. Now we have motherfucking IdrA getting the axe because of his comments. I couldn't take anymore. And people were acting like it wasn't a big deal that he got axed. HE LOST HIS JOB. Not over his RESULTS. But over his DEMEANOR. Even though he is a COMPETITIVE PLAYER. I'd much rather have IdrA be released for results rather than his demeanor. Instead, the community decided to be a like a white knight and witch hunt him. This community is dead to me.
His personality was that he didn't give a shit. And I respect that. Why do you care so much? Shouldn't you be talking about his LACKLUSTER results? Because this is a COMPETITIVE scene. Talk more about how he isn't good. Why the fuck do you care about what he says?
Are you telling me that just because someone is doing his 'job', he doesn't have to respect others? So if a coworker is performing well, he can just tell his boss in a meeting to Fxxk off and not expect to be fired? What world DO you live in?
On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit.
I don't think the community is that good either, but for different reasons. There was a large enough portion of this community that let a character such as idra gain as much fame and popularity as he did because they enjoy seeing bm and rage. I don't think any mature person can be a fan of such behaviour. People may think they're mature, but they're not if they're into that sort of things.
I don't mind trash talking cause I watch sports and that's all in good fun, but Idra's antic always went beyond that mostly. There's a reason the gaming scene in general isn't looked favourably by the general public and it's because there's an immaturity stigma attached to it. I can't really argue that isn't really the case either. Idra may insult these people, but he fails to realize these same people gave him the popularity and fame he got in the first place. If all these people leave, which I agree with him there, then he wouldn't have been as popular as he was in the first place, which is something he fails to recognize.
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense.
i dont think you have any clue of how business,sponsoring,public image and all that works.
if messi starts to shit on barcas fans tommorrow showing them the finger and telling in interviews that football sucks, fans are stupid etc then he wouldnt be playing for long anymore.
also people dont get butthurt over a little comment. idra has been a douchebag to basicly evryone for the last 10 years. this was just the last straw that made it unbearable to have someone like him running around with sponsors on his jacket. ofc for "lesser" teams idra is still interesting cause the views he creates are more important. but eg is big, eg doesnt need idra and doesnt need a player that just causes trouble again and again and again.
idra is a DAMN lucky fella that there are so many people that accept his bullshit(for whatever reason, its not like hes backing that up with skill,style,personality or anything) and that he got so decent money out of eg. cause we all know with that attitude he wouldnt last in ANY job in the world.
Well here's the thing. None of this would even be in the sponsors attention had it not been for the community acting like pansies over the smallest shit. If you didn't notice in Real Talk, IdrA mentions how the sponsors were getting anxious because of the COMMUNITY BACKLASH. Not of the incident but of the BACKLASH it caused. The fact that the community got so pissed because of something small (if you honestly thought it was a big deal, you should reconsider your life priorities), is a sign that this community is quite frankly dying. We're sitting here scrutinizing people over what they say rather than how they play. Why the fuck does this community care about what the players say? Is this community really that pathetic now that they need to pretend like they're some "white knights" of esports. Esports is DYING because of this community. They put unnecessary attention on the littlest things that sponsors would probably never hear of had it not been of the community backlash. You guys literally give e-sports a bad name because you go apeshit over people raging in a video game. A fucking video game. You guys go apeshit over a person making a controversial joke. You go apeshit over a person making a controversial comment on a forum. Reconsider your priorities because if you honestly care about what these players say, you literally have no life. This community needs to grow the fuck up and grow some balls.
i dont even know what to say. public statements from public persons get read and cared about by the fanbase that basicly pays the person? HOW TOTALLY WEIRD AND UNEXPECTED!
just because you dont understand how the business and sponsoring works and apparently dont know anything about idras past either doesnt mean its fine what he does/did.
also i dont know whos smurf account you are (99% posts in eg/idra threads on a lowpost acc) but it seems YOU are getting upset,YOU are defending a guy that basicly said on many occassions "fuck you i dont give a damn", YOU go into a rage about some guy getting fired in "A GAME". so maybe YOU should get your priorities straight, get a life and all the other fun stuff you wrote there.
On May 12 2013 20:41 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
On May 12 2013 20:35 Rioo wrote:
On May 12 2013 20:27 Mangooze wrote: I bet not a single person on this planet is truly offended by that "fucks" post. I doubt even anyone actually cares about the post itself... people only care about drama around it. It is all bullshit feelings. If a post is against the rules, just ban the user.
The wishing someone cancer thing I think is too much and I understand sponsors and EG had to do something about that.
You don't need to be offended by his behavior to find it pathetic and more suited for a 12 y.o. angry kid, not the "face of American Starcraft" to new viewers.
So it's our job to punish for being who he is? Get real. If he wants to act that way so be it. Don't witch hunt him for being who he is: REAL. Unlike most of these players in this community. Most of these players are FAKE and say the most bullshit responses. That might have flew in 2011 but I'm honestly not impressed anymore since it's same bullshit every single time. I'd much rather have the face of American StarCraft have personality rather than these anti-social zombies be our "Great White Hope."
i wouldnt call it "personality". its more on the side of a mental disorder. but good to know that you like it so much when people treat you like shit and act like arrogant douchebags. im sure the next time a guy comes up in a bar to you and says " he pay me a beer loser" youll go all glowy eyes and admire his great personality right?
I'm only acting out because I care about e-sports. I care about this community as well. I care about this community because our actions are what the sponsors see the most or what the outside world sees the most. Players are not the only ones that represent e-sports. When we talk, we represent it as well. So when we get people fired over stupid shit I get pissed off.
Whenever stuff like the Orb incident or Destiny came out, I kept quiet because I felt that the community would find it's way back. Now we have motherfucking IdrA getting the axe because of his comments. I couldn't take anymore. And people were acting like it wasn't a big deal that he got axed. HE LOST HIS JOB. Not over his RESULTS. But over his DEMEANOR. Even though he is a COMPETITIVE PLAYER. I'd much rather have IdrA be released for results rather than his demeanor. Instead, the community decided to be a like a white knight and witch hunt him. This community is dead to me.
His personality was that he didn't give a shit. And I respect that. Why do you care so much? Shouldn't you be talking about his LACKLUSTER results? Because this is a COMPETITIVE scene. Talk more about how he isn't good. Why the fuck do you care about what he says?
Are you telling me that just because someone is doing his 'job', he doesn't have to respect others? So if a coworker is performing well, he can just tell his boss in a meeting to Fxxk off and not expect to be fired? What world DO you live in?
IdrA never told his boss to fuck off so I don't know why you comparing that situation to what he did.
But I think I understand your point. My point is that the stuff he says aren't even a big deal. It's only the community that overreacts and make it look like a big deal to the sponsors. By giving attention to small details to sponsors, sponsors get anxious. Sponsors probably don't even know about half the stupid shit pro gamers say because people don't overreact. However, people feel the need to give unnecessary attention to the smallest things, which in effect gives e-sports a bad rep. The outside world would probably never learn of the dumb shit these pros say had it not been for the community.
On May 12 2013 16:02 Marchinko wrote: Logged into Idra's stream last night for the first time, wanted to see if he is as rude as everyone says, Did I get a surprise, he was friendly, he did gl hf, said thank you and sorry. Said a player was actually good (which he played against), if he focused and he had an adorable cat in a cone Must say was a shock, and to top it all of, he's commentary while playing is very good. Maybe this being dropped from EG has calmed he down or something.
Yes being dropped definitely calmed him down. Thank god. Hopefully this change is a long term effect.
WOW, not the same guy (attitude) as last night. Hope it last.
yeah, after seeing the little Real Talk interview and a bit of his stream i'm even more convinced that this will actually end up being much better for Idra than for EG.
On May 12 2013 21:44 Schelim wrote: yeah, after seeing the little Real Talk interview and a bit of his stream i'm even more convinced that this will actually end up being much better for Idra than for EG.
Not really. There is no way Idra will be able to earn same money as caster. Also his fame as top class foreigner will fade evn faster now that he has no chance to get back to that level of play.
On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit.
I don't think the community is that good either, but for different reasons. There was a large enough portion of this community that let a character such as idra gain as much fame and popularity as he did because they enjoy seeing bm and rage. I don't think any mature person can be a fan of such behaviour. People may think they're mature, but they're not if they're into that sort of things.
I don't mind trash talking cause I watch sports and that's all in good fun, but Idra's antic always went beyond that mostly. There's a reason the gaming scene in general isn't looked favourably by the general public and it's because there's an immaturity stigma attached to it. I can't really argue that isn't really the case either. Idra may insult these people, but he fails to realize these same people gave him the popularity and fame he got in the first place. If all these people leave, which I agree with him there, then he wouldn't have been as popular as he was in the first place, which is something he fails to recognize.
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense.
i dont think you have any clue of how business,sponsoring,public image and all that works.
if messi starts to shit on barcas fans tommorrow showing them the finger and telling in interviews that football sucks, fans are stupid etc then he wouldnt be playing for long anymore.
also people dont get butthurt over a little comment. idra has been a douchebag to basicly evryone for the last 10 years. this was just the last straw that made it unbearable to have someone like him running around with sponsors on his jacket. ofc for "lesser" teams idra is still interesting cause the views he creates are more important. but eg is big, eg doesnt need idra and doesnt need a player that just causes trouble again and again and again.
idra is a DAMN lucky fella that there are so many people that accept his bullshit(for whatever reason, its not like hes backing that up with skill,style,personality or anything) and that he got so decent money out of eg. cause we all know with that attitude he wouldnt last in ANY job in the world.
Well here's the thing. None of this would even be in the sponsors attention had it not been for the community acting like pansies over the smallest shit. If you didn't notice in Real Talk, IdrA mentions how the sponsors were getting anxious because of the COMMUNITY BACKLASH. Not of the incident but of the BACKLASH it caused. The fact that the community got so pissed because of something small (if you honestly thought it was a big deal, you should reconsider your life priorities), is a sign that this community is quite frankly dying. We're sitting here scrutinizing people over what they say rather than how they play. Why the fuck does this community care about what the players say? Is this community really that pathetic now that they need to pretend like they're some "white knights" of esports. Esports is DYING because of this community. They put unnecessary attention on the littlest things that sponsors would probably never hear of had it not been of the community backlash. You guys literally give e-sports a bad name because you go apeshit over people raging in a video game. A fucking video game. You guys go apeshit over a person making a controversial joke. You go apeshit over a person making a controversial comment on a forum. Reconsider your priorities because if you honestly care about what these players say, you literally have no life. This community needs to grow the fuck up and grow some balls.
i dont even know what to say. public statements from public persons get read and cared about by the fanbase that basicly pays the person? HOW TOTALLY WEIRD AND UNEXPECTED!
just because you dont understand how the business and sponsoring works and apparently dont know anything about idras past either doesnt mean its fine what he does/did.
also i dont know whos smurf account you are (99% posts in eg/idra threads on a lowpost acc) but it seems YOU are getting upset,YOU are defending a guy that basicly said on many occassions "fuck you i dont give a damn", YOU go into a rage about some guy getting fired in "A GAME". so maybe YOU should get your priorities straight, get a life and all the other fun stuff you wrote there.
On May 12 2013 20:41 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
On May 12 2013 20:35 Rioo wrote:
On May 12 2013 20:27 Mangooze wrote: I bet not a single person on this planet is truly offended by that "fucks" post. I doubt even anyone actually cares about the post itself... people only care about drama around it. It is all bullshit feelings. If a post is against the rules, just ban the user.
The wishing someone cancer thing I think is too much and I understand sponsors and EG had to do something about that.
You don't need to be offended by his behavior to find it pathetic and more suited for a 12 y.o. angry kid, not the "face of American Starcraft" to new viewers.
So it's our job to punish for being who he is? Get real. If he wants to act that way so be it. Don't witch hunt him for being who he is: REAL. Unlike most of these players in this community. Most of these players are FAKE and say the most bullshit responses. That might have flew in 2011 but I'm honestly not impressed anymore since it's same bullshit every single time. I'd much rather have the face of American StarCraft have personality rather than these anti-social zombies be our "Great White Hope."
i wouldnt call it "personality". its more on the side of a mental disorder. but good to know that you like it so much when people treat you like shit and act like arrogant douchebags. im sure the next time a guy comes up in a bar to you and says " he pay me a beer loser" youll go all glowy eyes and admire his great personality right?
I'm only acting out because I care about e-sports. I care about this community as well. I care about this community because our actions are what the sponsors see the most or what the outside world sees the most. Players are not the only ones that represent e-sports. When we talk, we represent it as well. So when we get people fired over stupid shit I get pissed off.
Whenever stuff like the Orb incident or Destiny came out, I kept quiet because I felt that the community would find it's way back. Now we have motherfucking IdrA getting the axe because of his comments. I couldn't take anymore. And people were acting like it wasn't a big deal that he got axed. HE LOST HIS JOB. Not over his RESULTS. But over his DEMEANOR. Even though he is a COMPETITIVE PLAYER. I'd much rather have IdrA be released for results rather than his demeanor. Instead, the community decided to be a like a white knight and witch hunt him. This community is dead to me.
His personality was that he didn't give a shit. And I respect that. Why do you care so much? Shouldn't you be talking about his LACKLUSTER results? Because this is a COMPETITIVE scene. Talk more about how he isn't good. Why the fuck do you care about what he says?
Are you telling me that just because someone is doing his 'job', he doesn't have to respect others? So if a coworker is performing well, he can just tell his boss in a meeting to Fxxk off and not expect to be fired? What world DO you live in?
IdrA never told his boss to fuck off so I don't know why you comparing that situation to what he did.
But I think I understand your point. My point is that the stuff he says aren't even a big deal. It's only the community that overreacts and make it look like a big deal to the sponsors. By giving attention to small details to sponsors, sponsors get anxious. Sponsors probably don't even know about half the stupid shit pro gamers say because people don't overreact. However, people feel the need to give unnecessary attention to the smallest things, which in effect gives e-sports a bad rep. The outside world would probably never learn of the dumb shit these pros say had it not been for the community.
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense.
Wrong.
Whoever gives the money sets the rules. And you are right in saying it's SPORTS. He's part of a TEAM. He is part of not only one brand (EG), but a lot of brands (all sponsors). So everything he says should be in line with the CI of all those people. Yes, that's hard, but it's business, and business IS hard. Play by the rules or get sacked.
Their only rule is that if the people get anxious, take the axes out. If you don't believe me, look at all the sports. Athletes say some horrific and immature things in private and public yet people don't get axed. That's because in those communities, people don't give two shits about what the athletes say. They only care about how good the play. At least, that's how all my sports friends are. It's the same logic with regular jobs. You have a guy who works hard, used to be really good and now isn't getting results. Something comes out about what that guy said. That something doesn't get much attention. The bosses realize that they can just ignore the issue and handle it quietly. They don't fire people if their image isn't at stake. Why do you think MLG "terminated" that admin when before they hadn't done such a thing. Because at that time, their image was being threatened. They took a course of action that they didn't take before and had people axed.
Except that every time Triple H pisses on his fan base he "wins" a championship.
Greg "idrA" Fields, however, has been coasting in the last 9 months in SC2 eSports scene, traditional sports have major tournaments every 3 months, we have a major tournament happening every week!. That means 90 days (English football major event time) ÷ 7 days (esports time) = 12.85 ratio
9 months eSports time = 115 months of non-performance OR 9 years of being a tool without a trophy!
I think the sponsor that requested idra be removed = kingston hyperx as on real talk idra said the sponsor also sponsors inside the game so idra will not be back on that show either
On May 12 2013 21:44 Schelim wrote: yeah, after seeing the little Real Talk interview and a bit of his stream i'm even more convinced that this will actually end up being much better for Idra than for EG.
Not really. There is no way Idra will be able to earn same money as caster. Also his fame as top class foreigner will fade evn faster now that he has no chance to get back to that level of play.
so? i wasn't talking about money at all. i don't think more money automatically equals better, and i think Idra's past career at EG is a great example of that. Greg already seems happier than he was just a few days ago even though he probably hasn't executed any practical steps towards improving his situation yet.
the point is, the pressure that he obviously could not deal with is gone and it's gonna make him a happier person. i don't know about you, but i'd gladly trade some money for emotional balance, especially if i'd feel like Idra clearly did during his stay at EG.
for EG, on the other hand, this move means that they lose a lot of publicity and income. maybe they'll find a way to invest the ressources they had previously invested into Idra in a comparative or even better way though, we'll have to see.
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense.
Wrong.
Whoever gives the money sets the rules. And you are right in saying it's SPORTS. He's part of a TEAM. He is part of not only one brand (EG), but a lot of brands (all sponsors). So everything he says should be in line with the CI of all those people. Yes, that's hard, but it's business, and business IS hard. Play by the rules or get sacked.
Their only rule is that if the people get anxious, take the axes out. If you don't believe me, look at all the sports. Athletes say some horrific and immature things in private and public yet people don't get axed. That's because in those communities, people don't give two shits about what the athletes say. They only care about how good the play. At least, that's how all my sports friends are. It's the same logic with regular jobs. You have a guy who works hard, used to be really good and now isn't getting results. Something comes out about what that guy said. That something doesn't get much attention. The bosses realize that they can just ignore the issue and handle it quietly. They don't fire people if their image isn't at stake. Why do you think MLG "terminated" that admin when before they hadn't done such a thing. Because at that time, their image was being threatened. They took a course of action that they didn't take before and had people axed.
Except that every time Triple H pisses on his fan base he "wins" a championship.
Greg "idrA" Fields, however, has been coasting in the last 9 months in SC2 eSports scene, traditional sports have major tournaments every 3 months, we have a major tournament happening every week!. That means 90 days (English football major event time) ÷ 7 days (esports time) = 12.85 ratio
9 months eSports time = 115 months of non-performance OR 9 years of being a tool without a trophy!
Come on!
I think we all know he hasn't been performing. You don't have to do math to state the obvious. -__- My point is that he wasn't fired for not performing as he should have been. He was fired for a comment. Granted his lackluster performances don't give him much leverage, but still he would've stayed on the team had it not been for the community backlash for his comment.
On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit.
I don't think the community is that good either, but for different reasons. There was a large enough portion of this community that let a character such as idra gain as much fame and popularity as he did because they enjoy seeing bm and rage. I don't think any mature person can be a fan of such behaviour. People may think they're mature, but they're not if they're into that sort of things.
I don't mind trash talking cause I watch sports and that's all in good fun, but Idra's antic always went beyond that mostly. There's a reason the gaming scene in general isn't looked favourably by the general public and it's because there's an immaturity stigma attached to it. I can't really argue that isn't really the case either. Idra may insult these people, but he fails to realize these same people gave him the popularity and fame he got in the first place. If all these people leave, which I agree with him there, then he wouldn't have been as popular as he was in the first place, which is something he fails to recognize.
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense.
i dont think you have any clue of how business,sponsoring,public image and all that works.
if messi starts to shit on barcas fans tommorrow showing them the finger and telling in interviews that football sucks, fans are stupid etc then he wouldnt be playing for long anymore.
also people dont get butthurt over a little comment. idra has been a douchebag to basicly evryone for the last 10 years. this was just the last straw that made it unbearable to have someone like him running around with sponsors on his jacket. ofc for "lesser" teams idra is still interesting cause the views he creates are more important. but eg is big, eg doesnt need idra and doesnt need a player that just causes trouble again and again and again.
idra is a DAMN lucky fella that there are so many people that accept his bullshit(for whatever reason, its not like hes backing that up with skill,style,personality or anything) and that he got so decent money out of eg. cause we all know with that attitude he wouldnt last in ANY job in the world.
Well here's the thing. None of this would even be in the sponsors attention had it not been for the community acting like pansies over the smallest shit. If you didn't notice in Real Talk, IdrA mentions how the sponsors were getting anxious because of the COMMUNITY BACKLASH. Not of the incident but of the BACKLASH it caused. The fact that the community got so pissed because of something small (if you honestly thought it was a big deal, you should reconsider your life priorities), is a sign that this community is quite frankly dying. We're sitting here scrutinizing people over what they say rather than how they play. Why the fuck does this community care about what the players say? Is this community really that pathetic now that they need to pretend like they're some "white knights" of esports. Esports is DYING because of this community. They put unnecessary attention on the littlest things that sponsors would probably never hear of had it not been of the community backlash. You guys literally give e-sports a bad name because you go apeshit over people raging in a video game. A fucking video game. You guys go apeshit over a person making a controversial joke. You go apeshit over a person making a controversial comment on a forum. Reconsider your priorities because if you honestly care about what these players say, you literally have no life. This community needs to grow the fuck up and grow some balls.
i dont even know what to say. public statements from public persons get read and cared about by the fanbase that basicly pays the person? HOW TOTALLY WEIRD AND UNEXPECTED!
just because you dont understand how the business and sponsoring works and apparently dont know anything about idras past either doesnt mean its fine what he does/did.
also i dont know whos smurf account you are (99% posts in eg/idra threads on a lowpost acc) but it seems YOU are getting upset,YOU are defending a guy that basicly said on many occassions "fuck you i dont give a damn", YOU go into a rage about some guy getting fired in "A GAME". so maybe YOU should get your priorities straight, get a life and all the other fun stuff you wrote there.
On May 12 2013 20:41 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
On May 12 2013 20:35 Rioo wrote:
On May 12 2013 20:27 Mangooze wrote: I bet not a single person on this planet is truly offended by that "fucks" post. I doubt even anyone actually cares about the post itself... people only care about drama around it. It is all bullshit feelings. If a post is against the rules, just ban the user.
The wishing someone cancer thing I think is too much and I understand sponsors and EG had to do something about that.
You don't need to be offended by his behavior to find it pathetic and more suited for a 12 y.o. angry kid, not the "face of American Starcraft" to new viewers.
So it's our job to punish for being who he is? Get real. If he wants to act that way so be it. Don't witch hunt him for being who he is: REAL. Unlike most of these players in this community. Most of these players are FAKE and say the most bullshit responses. That might have flew in 2011 but I'm honestly not impressed anymore since it's same bullshit every single time. I'd much rather have the face of American StarCraft have personality rather than these anti-social zombies be our "Great White Hope."
i wouldnt call it "personality". its more on the side of a mental disorder. but good to know that you like it so much when people treat you like shit and act like arrogant douchebags. im sure the next time a guy comes up in a bar to you and says " he pay me a beer loser" youll go all glowy eyes and admire his great personality right?
I'm only acting out because I care about e-sports. I care about this community as well. I care about this community because our actions are what the sponsors see the most or what the outside world sees the most. Players are not the only ones that represent e-sports. When we talk, we represent it as well. So when we get people fired over stupid shit I get pissed off.
Whenever stuff like the Orb incident or Destiny came out, I kept quiet because I felt that the community would find it's way back. Now we have motherfucking IdrA getting the axe because of his comments. I couldn't take anymore. And people were acting like it wasn't a big deal that he got axed. HE LOST HIS JOB. Not over his RESULTS. But over his DEMEANOR. Even though he is a COMPETITIVE PLAYER. I'd much rather have IdrA be released for results rather than his demeanor. Instead, the community decided to be a like a white knight and witch hunt him. This community is dead to me.
His personality was that he didn't give a shit. And I respect that. Why do you care so much? Shouldn't you be talking about his LACKLUSTER results? Because this is a COMPETITIVE scene. Talk more about how he isn't good. Why the fuck do you care about what he says?
Are you telling me that just because someone is doing his 'job', he doesn't have to respect others? So if a coworker is performing well, he can just tell his boss in a meeting to Fxxk off and not expect to be fired? What world DO you live in?
IdrA never told his boss to fuck off so I don't know why you comparing that situation to what he did.
But I think I understand your point. My point is that the stuff he says aren't even a big deal. It's only the community that overreacts and make it look like a big deal to the sponsors. By giving attention to small details to sponsors, sponsors get anxious. Sponsors probably don't even know about half the stupid shit pro gamers say because people don't overreact. However, people feel the need to give unnecessary attention to the smallest things, which in effect gives e-sports a bad rep. The outside world would probably never learn of the dumb shit these pros say had it not been for the community.
I disagree.
Nobody knew about Orb's rage. Nobody knew about Destiny's [you know what] pic. Nobody knew about Stephano's controversial jokes. Nobody knew about IdrA's mean comments. That was until the community decided to go apeshit over all those incidents. Nobody, not even the sponsors, would've have known. Yet people had to blow the situations way out of proportion and make e-sports look fragile when it really isn't.
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense.
Wrong.
Whoever gives the money sets the rules. And you are right in saying it's SPORTS. He's part of a TEAM. He is part of not only one brand (EG), but a lot of brands (all sponsors). So everything he says should be in line with the CI of all those people. Yes, that's hard, but it's business, and business IS hard. Play by the rules or get sacked.
Their only rule is that if the people get anxious, take the axes out. If you don't believe me, look at all the sports. Athletes say some horrific and immature things in private and public yet people don't get axed. That's because in those communities, people don't give two shits about what the athletes say. They only care about how good the play. At least, that's how all my sports friends are. It's the same logic with regular jobs. You have a guy who works hard, used to be really good and now isn't getting results. Something comes out about what that guy said. That something doesn't get much attention. The bosses realize that they can just ignore the issue and handle it quietly. They don't fire people if their image isn't at stake. Why do you think MLG "terminated" that admin when before they hadn't done such a thing. Because at that time, their image was being threatened. They took a course of action that they didn't take before and had people axed.
Except that every time Triple H pisses on his fan base he "wins" a championship.
Greg "idrA" Fields, however, has been coasting in the last 9 months in SC2 eSports scene, traditional sports have major tournaments every 3 months, we have a major tournament happening every week!. That means 90 days (English football major event time) ÷ 7 days (esports time) = 12.85 ratio
9 months eSports time = 115 months of non-performance OR 9 years of being a tool without a trophy!
Come on!
I think we all know he hasn't been performing. You don't have to do math to state the obvious. -__- My point is that he wasn't fired for not performing as he should have been. He was fired for a comment. Granted his lackluster performances don't give him much leverage, but still he would've stayed on the team had it not been for the community backlash for his comment.
That what I've been trying to say the whole time, Alex going, "You know how Greg is." does not work any more because of non-performance!
It's a big difference between a tool with a trophy and a bitchy has-been.
I have to say, had he kept a low profile, sticking to trolling the trolls, opponents and their mom, he would have been just fine. But he had to take a giant shit on the fan base who also happened to be the same customer base of Kingston/Monster/etc.
Big mistake.
Either way, it seems he's opted to fade into the sunset (become a caster) than fight into the morning light (hardcore balls to the wall to qualify for Code S Korean team).
I understand, he's got a girlfriend, priorities will change. *sigh*
On May 12 2013 22:46 Hattori_Hanzo wrote: [...] I have to say, had he kept a low profile, sticking to trolling the trolls, opponents and their mom, he would have been just fine. But he had to take a giant shit on the fan base who also happened to be the same customer base of Kingston/Monster/etc. [...]
On May 12 2013 21:44 Schelim wrote: yeah, after seeing the little Real Talk interview and a bit of his stream i'm even more convinced that this will actually end up being much better for Idra than for EG.
Not really. There is no way Idra will be able to earn same money as caster. Also his fame as top class foreigner will fade evn faster now that he has no chance to get back to that level of play.
If the report about what Tasteosis makes is anywhere near what Idra would make for an event which it probably is, then Idra will make the same money as a caster (if he gets the gigs) than if he was a gamer for EG. Unless his contract with EG was something stupid like 200k/year which I doubt it was.
I find it sad though that he won't be a gamer competitively anymore. I do understand how one could get frustrated with the game when even still most games are deathball vs deathball. It isn't about race imbalance, but every game is the same exact game, the only thing that changes is the composition of the deathball.
I really don't know how his future will hold up though with him attempting to brand himself. Hopefully he does well though. Best of luck!
I don't know how many of you actually watch any other actual sports but I myself am an avid sports nut. I love the NFL and also watch Hockey and basketball regularly.
When fans step out of line in any sport, athletes will sometimes put them in check. When walking off the court to the locker room, NBA players will curse right back at fans that get out of line. Get on twitter and you will see plenty of NFL players "disrespecting" fans as some of you call it. This is not unusual.
Big difference being is that these e-sports players have a larger internet presence. They deal with the fans more frequently and more directly. And compared to most athletic based sports, e-sports has a much larger under-18 following. The amount of crap these guys are subjected to, a lot of times by children, is insane. Then they have to worry about these same children calling their sponsors directly and complaining over everything under the sun. Go try to call Gronkowski's sponsers and see what happens, or Sergio Garcia's or Albert Puljos. The whole thing is a joke and the sensitivity of e-sports fans is laughable.
Who here has actually been emotionally pained by anything Idra has done? The guy, like every e-sports competitor has to interact with great fans that just want to watch their favorite players play their favorite game. But the also have to deal with a legion of childish idiots that make their lives harder by threatening to complain to their sponsors, or flame their chats, or insult them at every turn under the veil of complete anonymity. No other athlete has to deal with the amount of crap these guys do particularly from children that are looking for a reason to complain.
People need to grow up or shut up really. These guys are trying to make a living, if you don't like what they say then go find another stream to watch, or ignore their posts. Its not like the guy said anything sexist or racist nor did he threaten anyone. He called it like he saw it and the truth hurt some feelings.
I did not expect that. I thought the reason was going to be just that Idra hasn't won anything in forever and is maybe the most overrated foreign player.
I'm sure that's part of the reason, even if they didn't say it.
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Must say was a shock, and to top it all of, he's commentary while playing is very good. Maybe this being dropped from EG has calmed he down or something.
