My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense.
Wrong.
Whoever gives the money sets the rules. And you are right in saying it's SPORTS. He's part of a TEAM. He is part of not only one brand (EG), but a lot of brands (all sponsors). So everything he says should be in line with the CI of all those people. Yes, that's hard, but it's business, and business IS hard. Play by the rules or get sacked.
Their only rule is that if the people get anxious, take the axes out. If you don't believe me, look at all the sports. Athletes say some horrific and immature things in private and public yet people don't get axed. That's because in those communities, people don't give two shits about what the athletes say. They only care about how good the play. At least, that's how all my sports friends are. It's the same logic with regular jobs. You have a guy who works hard, used to be really good and now isn't getting results. Something comes out about what that guy said. That something doesn't get much attention. The bosses realize that they can just ignore the issue and handle it quietly. They don't fire people if their image isn't at stake. Why do you think MLG "terminated" that admin when before they hadn't done such a thing. Because at that time, their image was being threatened. They took a course of action that they didn't take before and had people axed.
tiger woods. always great to fans, whole world bitched about private issues that were none of their business.best player in the world. not some random decent guy that just thinks hes the greatest.
tell the 2nd coworker to fuck off and you might have a problem. tell anyone with some say to fuckoff you are fired. tell a customer to fuck off and you are fired.
J.R. Smith talked about fucking a teenager on Twitter. The only response people said was "It's just Smith being Smith." Cause that's how he is.
IdrA didn't tell coworkers to fuck off. He raged at DeMusliM but that was it. So I don't where you got that from.
You're clearly failing to recognise one key point, the fans didnt get him sacked. Youre obviously very naive about business and how the real world works. And yes, I judged you.
You didn't watch the real-talk? It was quite obvious that the fans did get him fired at least from what Idra said. I doubt the sponsors review his postings on TL and watch his stream, so how else could the get that information? Sure, the individual fan didn't fire Idra, but they're the reason he is no longer at EG.
First of all, that's not what IdrA said.
Second of all, IdrA is responsible for IdrA's behaviour. No one asks or forces IdrA to act like a jackass on the internet. Actually, his employers asked him explicitly and repeatedly not to do that.
After seeing the interview, it's kind of sad to see Idra do what every other players with fame do : living off their image and stop competitive gaming. Of course I would watch an event with Idra commentating or analysing replays, etc... but the best thrills I had was him playing, it was the matches.
What happened? Is it the fame? Is it the game itself suck in the long run ? I'm sure he can be a great entertainer but I think he can become a way greater player.
On May 13 2013 01:26 renkin wrote: After seeing the interview, it's kind of sad to see Idra do what every other players with fame do : living off their image and stop competitive gaming. Of course I would watch an event with Idra commentating or analysing replays, etc... but the best thrills I had was him playing, it was the matches.
What happened? Is it the fame? Is it the game itself suck in the long run ? I'm sure he can be a great entertainer but I think he can become a way greater player.
Imagine not winning anything for the past year while playing the role of the bad guy that everyone loves to hate.
Imagine how demoralizing it is not only to lose, but for people to cheer and laugh at you when you do.
The pressure of being that guy while not getting any results would get to anybody.
It's weird, I sympathize for the IdrA, but at the same time his persona of being a no-fluff, trash-talking asshole is one that he chose and cultivated. He put that pressure on himself.
On May 13 2013 01:26 renkin wrote: After seeing the interview, it's kind of sad to see Idra do what every other players with fame do : living off their image and stop competitive gaming. Of course I would watch an event with Idra commentating or analysing replays, etc... but the best thrills I had was him playing, it was the matches.
What happened? Is it the fame? Is it the game itself suck in the long run ? I'm sure he can be a great entertainer but I think he can become a way greater player.
Couldn't disagree more. His performance has been lackluster (to put it kindly) while his casting and insight remain sharp as ever. So glad he is transitioning into a new esports role. I'll be a fan again.
On May 13 2013 01:26 renkin wrote: After seeing the interview, it's kind of sad to see Idra do what every other players with fame do : living off their image and stop competitive gaming. Of course I would watch an event with Idra commentating or analysing replays, etc... but the best thrills I had was him playing, it was the matches.
What happened? Is it the fame? Is it the game itself suck in the long run ? I'm sure he can be a great entertainer but I think he can become a way greater player.
i see what you're saying, but on the other hand we have no shortage of great players, but we do have a shortage of great casters. maybe it's not so bad for the community if Idra (and Incontrol) goes more in that direction.
On May 13 2013 00:42 Nyxisto wrote: Well the main difference between someone saying something like IdrA did in traditional sports is that, on the internet, nothing ever goes away. If an athlete trash talks someone on television it maybe gets quoted again but basically it's gone 5 seconds after it was said. On the internet nothing ever goes away. Someone from chat makes a screenshot , posts it on reddit, posts it here on teamliquid, on youtube, sends it to his friends and so on.
Woah do you even watch sports? If an athlete says something dumb or noteworthy on tv it does not go away after five seconds. It gets posted on YouTube and comments get discussed on sports radio and tv shows. There was even an example this year when Kevin Garnett said Carmelo Anthony's wife tastes like honey nut cherrios.
On May 13 2013 01:26 renkin wrote: After seeing the interview, it's kind of sad to see Idra do what every other players with fame do : living off their image and stop competitive gaming. Of course I would watch an event with Idra commentating or analysing replays, etc... but the best thrills I had was him playing, it was the matches.
What happened? Is it the fame? Is it the game itself suck in the long run ? I'm sure he can be a great entertainer but I think he can become a way greater player.
There are too many factors to blame it on one individual thing, but a bigger cause could actually be the game for Idra. In SCBW you 100's of things you could do during a match. In this game, less HotS for now, but it might wind up being like the end of WoL, you can harass a bit, but it winds up being a question of whose deathball is better. So, for Idra you could start to think that every game even different matchups are all the same thing. Deathball vs Deathball. If there is only one deciding encounter, one thing you need to concentrate on, and then you're done win or lose every time, I could see how that could irritate a person.
On May 13 2013 00:42 Nyxisto wrote: Well the main difference between someone saying something like IdrA did in traditional sports is that, on the internet, nothing ever goes away. If an athlete trash talks someone on television it maybe gets quoted again but basically it's gone 5 seconds after it was said. On the internet nothing ever goes away. Someone from chat makes a screenshot , posts it on reddit, posts it here on teamliquid, on youtube, sends it to his friends and so on.
Woah do you even watch sports? If an athlete says something dumb or noteworthy on tv it does not go away after five seconds. It gets posted on YouTube and comments get discussed on sports radio and tv shows. There was even an example this year when Kevin Garnett said Carmelo Anthony's wife tastes like honey nut cherrios.
That may be true for the sport fans of our generation, but i bet that the majority of older sports fans, don't look up everything on youtube and don't participate in many online communities. If you compare the size and viewership numbers of traditional sports and esports it maybe gets a bit clearer, because on the internet, esports drama creates an astonishing amount of attention.
On May 13 2013 00:42 Nyxisto wrote: Well the main difference between someone saying something like IdrA did in traditional sports is that, on the internet, nothing ever goes away. If an athlete trash talks someone on television it maybe gets quoted again but basically it's gone 5 seconds after it was said. On the internet nothing ever goes away. Someone from chat makes a screenshot , posts it on reddit, posts it here on teamliquid, on youtube, sends it to his friends and so on.
Woah do you even watch sports? If an athlete says something dumb or noteworthy on tv it does not go away after five seconds. It gets posted on YouTube and comments get discussed on sports radio and tv shows. There was even an example this year when Kevin Garnett said Carmelo Anthony's wife tastes like honey nut cherrios.
That may be true for the sport fans of our generation, but i bet that the majority of older sports fans, don't look up everything on youtube and don't participate in many online communities. If you compare the size and viewership numbers of traditional sports and esports it maybe gets a bit clearer, because on the internet, esports drama creates an astonishing amount of attention.
I don't agree with that. Sports drama gets tons of attention when it happens. Look at what happened when Suarez bit that Chelsea player. It got tons of attention. You even had Mike Tyson tweeting to Suarez on twitter and he had never even heard of Suarez before the biting incident.
You always hear people say athletes have it so much tougher in this internet age because they are scrutinized so much and things like cell phone cameras are everywhere. They always say Michael Jordan is lucky he didn't play during this age where everything an athlete does is tracked.
The thing that pisses me off the most (and I don't know if I qualify under what IdrA himself considers a 'real fan'), is that all the focus is on some garbage he posted on this forum.
To me, that doesn't really matter. It's honestly IdrA being IdrA.
What pissed me off, and hurt me, as a fan, was that IdrA left that game against Polt.
We don't get to see IdrA in much these days. I really, really want to see IdrA win. So when he throws games (and sure, maybe he was in a disadvantageous position, but we've seen players come back from much further behind), that's where the infraction is.
Watching IdrA fight back from behind is what makes an exciting game. Win or lose, I want to see good games. It should be IdrA's priority to win, and 2nd to bring us GOOD GAMES. He deliberately skirted both responsibilities (winning and bringing us good games).
You look at Korean pros and they say in interviews, "I want to bring my fans good games". IdrA doesn't care. So it's not that he says he gets paid to treat us like fucks. It's that he DOES treat us like fucks.
That's what bothers me as a fan, not because IdrA said something bad for the 89394932 time.
I am dissapointed with EG for this. This is about entertainment. We play this game for fun. We watch matches for fun. We join this community because we have fun here. We even have fun with the BM, the rage and drama we see from people playing this game. It's all part of the show, and I don't think Idra is being disrespectful to the community in general. He is just giving an ttitude to those who give him an attitude. And still, if he wants to be a jerk to his fans, he can. Look at the WWE, superstars get paid to mock their audience. Why? because it is all part of the show and entertainment. What Idra says or do is just that... entertainment, and that sells. People and fans love him or hate him for that, but you know what? they still buy his crap. They still watch his videos and read news about him, so it is good publicity.
Watched the interview. Looks like this is the best solution for everyone. It does appear that Idra did not intend to insult all his fans or viewers when he stated "you are all bunch of fucks" etc and was really just raging at a select group of individuals. Even so, expressing that kind of behavior doesn't seem like a smart tactical decision in any regard - I honestly think his core fans will follow him even if he tones down the impolite/rude aspect of his personality. I also contend that the other freak-show circus that follows him is much smaller in size and probably doesn't support him in any way.
I'm excited to see Idra in a new role, as I do find him to be very entertaining and a good analytical caster. I think one of the more surprising revelations in the interview was hearing that EG guided him away from that path for some time, due to conflicting interests. Now that Idra is free to exploit this new opportunity in full we can only wish him the best and hope he finds some happiness in it, along with the community.
On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit.
I don't think the community is that good either, but for different reasons. There was a large enough portion of this community that let a character such as idra gain as much fame and popularity as he did because they enjoy seeing bm and rage. I don't think any mature person can be a fan of such behaviour. People may think they're mature, but they're not if they're into that sort of things.
I don't mind trash talking cause I watch sports and that's all in good fun, but Idra's antic always went beyond that mostly. There's a reason the gaming scene in general isn't looked favourably by the general public and it's because there's an immaturity stigma attached to it. I can't really argue that isn't really the case either. Idra may insult these people, but he fails to realize these same people gave him the popularity and fame he got in the first place. If all these people leave, which I agree with him there, then he wouldn't have been as popular as he was in the first place, which is something he fails to recognize.
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense.
i dont think you have any clue of how business,sponsoring,public image and all that works.
if messi starts to shit on barcas fans tommorrow showing them the finger and telling in interviews that football sucks, fans are stupid etc then he wouldnt be playing for long anymore.
also people dont get butthurt over a little comment. idra has been a douchebag to basicly evryone for the last 10 years. this was just the last straw that made it unbearable to have someone like him running around with sponsors on his jacket. ofc for "lesser" teams idra is still interesting cause the views he creates are more important. but eg is big, eg doesnt need idra and doesnt need a player that just causes trouble again and again and again.
idra is a DAMN lucky fella that there are so many people that accept his bullshit(for whatever reason, its not like hes backing that up with skill,style,personality or anything) and that he got so decent money out of eg. cause we all know with that attitude he wouldnt last in ANY job in the world.
Well here's the thing. None of this would even be in the sponsors attention had it not been for the community acting like pansies over the smallest shit. If you didn't notice in Real Talk, IdrA mentions how the sponsors were getting anxious because of the COMMUNITY BACKLASH. Not of the incident but of the BACKLASH it caused. The fact that the community got so pissed because of something small (if you honestly thought it was a big deal, you should reconsider your life priorities), is a sign that this community is quite frankly dying. We're sitting here scrutinizing people over what they say rather than how they play. Why the fuck does this community care about what the players say? Is this community really that pathetic now that they need to pretend like they're some "white knights" of esports. Esports is DYING because of this community. They put unnecessary attention on the littlest things that sponsors would probably never hear of had it not been of the community backlash. You guys literally give e-sports a bad name because you go apeshit over people raging in a video game. A fucking video game. You guys go apeshit over a person making a controversial joke. You go apeshit over a person making a controversial comment on a forum. Reconsider your priorities because if you honestly care about what these players say, you literally have no life. This community needs to grow the fuck up and grow some balls.
Is your ideal progamer a lifeless, unemotional sellout that gives BS political responses to every question? Is that what you want. Fine so be it. But notice how in real sports, athletes actually have personality. Notice how they have the villains, trash talkers, and the good guys. Then notice this game and how the numbers are falling and the players are slowly becoming lifeless zombies. Call me when e-sports is dead.
oO Esport will never grow if we have immature kids like Idra representing eSports.. No normal guy could take such a crying kid serious and he is a bad prototypical for our youth.
Having been in the CS 1.6 scene and knowing a bit about the LoL scene, gotta say SC nerds are quite a bit more insecure and sensitive to internet insults. We live in a world where drama makes the most money, not being nice. Most people who say GLHF and GG don't mean it anyway - they say it cause it's the norm they're tring to fit in.
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