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On May 12 2013 20:35 Rioo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:27 Mangooze wrote:
I bet not a single person on this planet is truly offended by that "fucks" post. I doubt even anyone actually cares about the post itself... people only care about drama around it. It is all bullshit feelings. If a post is against the rules, just ban the user.
The wishing someone cancer thing I think is too much and I understand sponsors and EG had to do something about that.
You don't need to be offended by his behavior to find it pathetic and more suited for a 12 y.o. angry kid, not the "face of American Starcraft" to new viewers.
So it's our job to punish for being who he is? Get real. If he wants to act that way so be it. Don't witch hunt him for being who he is: REAL. Unlike most of these players in this community. Most of these players are FAKE and say the most bullshit responses. That might have flew in 2011 but I'm honestly not impressed anymore since it's same bullshit every single time. I'd much rather have the face of American StarCraft have personality rather than these anti-social zombies be our "Great White Hope." I don't think sponsors or new members of the community would be too impressed with a lifeless zombie as the face of American StarCraft.
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Some of you guys really don't think the community (reddit, teamliquid etc) takes somethings a bit too far with the witch hunting?
Go take a look at the "witch hunts" associated with the Boston marathon bombings.
I'll even give you guys the link:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/23/reddit-apologizes-for-online-witch-hunt-in-aftermath-of-boston-marathon-bombings/
"The blog post highlights how Reddit users circulated the name of Sunil Tripathi, and erroneously connected the missing college student to the bombings."
Obviously don't misconstrue what I'm saying here. What IdrA said can't even be put in the same context as the terrorist bombings in Boston; nor can the witch hunts even be compared in the same context. But what I'm saying is the community can screw these up, and it has done so before. Don't be ignorant of that fact.
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On May 12 2013 20:28 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:22 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 12 2013 20:04 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 14:00 Canucklehead wrote:On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit. I don't think the community is that good either, but for different reasons. There was a large enough portion of this community that let a character such as idra gain as much fame and popularity as he did because they enjoy seeing bm and rage. I don't think any mature person can be a fan of such behaviour. People may think they're mature, but they're not if they're into that sort of things. I don't mind trash talking cause I watch sports and that's all in good fun, but Idra's antic always went beyond that mostly. There's a reason the gaming scene in general isn't looked favourably by the general public and it's because there's an immaturity stigma attached to it. I can't really argue that isn't really the case either. Idra may insult these people, but he fails to realize these same people gave him the popularity and fame he got in the first place. If all these people leave, which I agree with him there, then he wouldn't have been as popular as he was in the first place, which is something he fails to recognize. My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense. i dont think you have any clue of how business,sponsoring,public image and all that works. if messi starts to shit on barcas fans tommorrow showing them the finger and telling in interviews that football sucks, fans are stupid etc then he wouldnt be playing for long anymore. also people dont get butthurt over a little comment. idra has been a douchebag to basicly evryone for the last 10 years. this was just the last straw that made it unbearable to have someone like him running around with sponsors on his jacket. ofc for "lesser" teams idra is still interesting cause the views he creates are more important. but eg is big, eg doesnt need idra and doesnt need a player that just causes trouble again and again and again. idra is a DAMN lucky fella that there are so many people that accept his bullshit(for whatever reason, its not like hes backing that up with skill,style,personality or anything) and that he got so decent money out of eg. cause we all know with that attitude he wouldnt last in ANY job in the world. Well here's the thing. None of this would even be in the sponsors attention had it not been for the community acting like pansies over the smallest shit. If you didn't notice in Real Talk, IdrA mentions how the sponsors were getting anxious because of the COMMUNITY BACKLASH. Not of the incident but of the BACKLASH it caused. The fact that the community got so pissed because of something small (if you honestly thought it was a big deal, you should reconsider your life priorities), is a sign that this community is quite frankly dying. We're sitting here scrutinizing people over what they say rather than how they play. Why the fuck does this community care about what the players say? Is this community really that pathetic now that they need to pretend like they're some "white knights" of esports. Esports is DYING because of this community. They put unnecessary attention on the littlest things that sponsors would probably never hear of had it not been of the community backlash. You guys literally give e-sports a bad name because you go apeshit over people raging in a video game. A fucking video game. You guys go apeshit over a person making a controversial joke. You go apeshit over a person making a controversial comment on a forum. Reconsider your priorities because if you honestly care about what these players say, you literally have no life. This community needs to grow the fuck up and grow some balls.
i dont even know what to say. public statements from public persons get read and cared about by the fanbase that basicly pays the person? HOW TOTALLY WEIRD AND UNEXPECTED!
just because you dont understand how the business and sponsoring works and apparently dont know anything about idras past either doesnt mean its fine what he does/did.
also i dont know whos smurf account you are (99% posts in eg/idra threads on a lowpost acc) but it seems YOU are getting upset,YOU are defending a guy that basicly said on many occassions "fuck you i dont give a damn", YOU go into a rage about some guy getting fired in "A GAME". so maybe YOU should get your priorities straight, get a life and all the other fun stuff you wrote there.
On May 12 2013 20:41 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:35 Rioo wrote:On May 12 2013 20:27 Mangooze wrote:
I bet not a single person on this planet is truly offended by that "fucks" post. I doubt even anyone actually cares about the post itself... people only care about drama around it. It is all bullshit feelings. If a post is against the rules, just ban the user.
The wishing someone cancer thing I think is too much and I understand sponsors and EG had to do something about that.
You don't need to be offended by his behavior to find it pathetic and more suited for a 12 y.o. angry kid, not the "face of American Starcraft" to new viewers. So it's our job to punish for being who he is? Get real. If he wants to act that way so be it. Don't witch hunt him for being who he is: REAL. Unlike most of these players in this community. Most of these players are FAKE and say the most bullshit responses. That might have flew in 2011 but I'm honestly not impressed anymore since it's same bullshit every single time. I'd much rather have the face of American StarCraft have personality rather than these anti-social zombies be our "Great White Hope."
i wouldnt call it "personality". its more on the side of a mental disorder. but good to know that you like it so much when people treat you like shit and act like arrogant douchebags. im sure the next time a guy comes up in a bar to you and says " he pay me a beer loser" youll go all glowy eyes and admire his great personality right?
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On May 12 2013 20:04 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense.
Wrong.
Whoever gives the money sets the rules. And you are right in saying it's SPORTS. He's part of a TEAM. He is part of not only one brand (EG), but a lot of brands (all sponsors). So everything he says should be in line with the CI of all those people. Yes, that's hard, but it's business, and business IS hard. Play by the rules or get sacked.
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On May 10 2013 15:07 Talin wrote:
Recruit one of the most talented and THE hardest working foreign player that ever played the game. Enable and encourage the worst of his habits to make your (irrelevant at the time) SC2 division hyper popular in the next 1-2 years by deliberately building up and feeding off the negativity in his image, even when it was obvious it was destroying his best qualities as a player.
Then, when you realize you don't need him anymore, fire him for saying something that is genuinely true and not really offensive at all.
Well color me surprised.
I've always disliked idra, and still do, but your post perfectly illustrates why this whole incident has left me entirely bemused. If EG actually had a shred of integrity they would never have exploited this side of idra's persona so heavily. But hey, from incidents like the milkis/puma fiasco to this one, EG's management have shown their true colours time and time again.
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I've always disliked idra, and still do, but your post perfectly illustrates why this whole incident has left me entirely bemused. If EG actually had a shred of integrity they would never have exploited this side of idra's persona so heavily. But hey, from incidents like the milkis/puma fiasco to this one, EG's management have shown their true colours time and time again.
IdrA made them money that is fact. The recognition the team got form IdrA being on their roster if you were to give it a value financially is far more valuable than the contract EG had signed IdrA to.
I can really only say for myself -- but I didn't even know who EG was until IdrA joined. And from that point onward it just became "the team IdrA is on" throughout his first 3 GSL appearances.
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On May 12 2013 20:44 Mahtasooma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:04 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense. Wrong. Whoever gives the money sets the rules. And you are right in saying it's SPORTS. He's part of a TEAM. He is part of not only one brand (EG), but a lot of brands (all sponsors). So everything he says should be in line with the CI of all those people. Yes, that's hard, but it's business, and business IS hard. Play by the rules or get sacked.
This, so much this. idra was served a portion of the reality.
In the end of the day, is it worth it on idra's part? I dont know. but it surely looks like that idra is supposed to be smarter than all this.
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On May 12 2013 20:44 Mahtasooma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:04 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense. Wrong. Whoever gives the money sets the rules. And you are right in saying it's SPORTS. He's part of a TEAM. He is part of not only one brand (EG), but a lot of brands (all sponsors). So everything he says should be in line with the CI of all those people. Yes, that's hard, but it's business, and business IS hard. Play by the rules or get sacked.
Their only rule is that if the people get anxious, take the axes out. If you don't believe me, look at all the sports. Athletes say some horrific and immature things in private and public yet people don't get axed. That's because in those communities, people don't give two shits about what the athletes say. They only care about how good the play. At least, that's how all my sports friends are. It's the same logic with regular jobs. You have a guy who works hard, used to be really good and now isn't getting results. Something comes out about what that guy said. That something doesn't get much attention. The bosses realize that they can just ignore the issue and handle it quietly. They don't fire people if their image isn't at stake. Why do you think MLG "terminated" that admin when before they hadn't done such a thing. Because at that time, their image was being threatened. They took a course of action that they didn't take before and had people axed.
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On May 12 2013 20:49 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:44 Mahtasooma wrote:On May 12 2013 20:04 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense. Wrong. Whoever gives the money sets the rules. And you are right in saying it's SPORTS. He's part of a TEAM. He is part of not only one brand (EG), but a lot of brands (all sponsors). So everything he says should be in line with the CI of all those people. Yes, that's hard, but it's business, and business IS hard. Play by the rules or get sacked. Their only rule is that if the people get anxious, take the axes out. If you don't believe me, look at all the sports. Athletes say some horrific and immature things in private and public yet people don't get axed. That's because in those communities, people don't give two shits about what the athletes say. They only care about how good the play. At least, that's how all my sports friends are. It's the same logic with regular jobs. You have a guy who works hard, used to be really good and now isn't getting results. Something comes out about what that guy said. That something doesn't get much attention. The bosses realize that they can just ignore the issue and handle it quietly. They don't fire people if their image isn't at stake. Why do you think MLG "terminated" that admin when before they hadn't done such a thing. Because at that time, their image was being threatened. They took a course of action that they didn't take before and had people axed.
tiger woods. always great to fans, whole world bitched about private issues that were none of their business.best player in the world. not some random decent guy that just thinks hes the greatest.
tell the 2nd coworker to fuck off and you might have a problem. tell anyone with some say to fuckoff you are fired. tell a customer to fuck off and you are fired.
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On May 12 2013 20:43 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:28 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 20:22 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 12 2013 20:04 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 14:00 Canucklehead wrote:On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit. I don't think the community is that good either, but for different reasons. There was a large enough portion of this community that let a character such as idra gain as much fame and popularity as he did because they enjoy seeing bm and rage. I don't think any mature person can be a fan of such behaviour. People may think they're mature, but they're not if they're into that sort of things. I don't mind trash talking cause I watch sports and that's all in good fun, but Idra's antic always went beyond that mostly. There's a reason the gaming scene in general isn't looked favourably by the general public and it's because there's an immaturity stigma attached to it. I can't really argue that isn't really the case either. Idra may insult these people, but he fails to realize these same people gave him the popularity and fame he got in the first place. If all these people leave, which I agree with him there, then he wouldn't have been as popular as he was in the first place, which is something he fails to recognize. My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense. i dont think you have any clue of how business,sponsoring,public image and all that works. if messi starts to shit on barcas fans tommorrow showing them the finger and telling in interviews that football sucks, fans are stupid etc then he wouldnt be playing for long anymore. also people dont get butthurt over a little comment. idra has been a douchebag to basicly evryone for the last 10 years. this was just the last straw that made it unbearable to have someone like him running around with sponsors on his jacket. ofc for "lesser" teams idra is still interesting cause the views he creates are more important. but eg is big, eg doesnt need idra and doesnt need a player that just causes trouble again and again and again. idra is a DAMN lucky fella that there are so many people that accept his bullshit(for whatever reason, its not like hes backing that up with skill,style,personality or anything) and that he got so decent money out of eg. cause we all know with that attitude he wouldnt last in ANY job in the world. Well here's the thing. None of this would even be in the sponsors attention had it not been for the community acting like pansies over the smallest shit. If you didn't notice in Real Talk, IdrA mentions how the sponsors were getting anxious because of the COMMUNITY BACKLASH. Not of the incident but of the BACKLASH it caused. The fact that the community got so pissed because of something small (if you honestly thought it was a big deal, you should reconsider your life priorities), is a sign that this community is quite frankly dying. We're sitting here scrutinizing people over what they say rather than how they play. Why the fuck does this community care about what the players say? Is this community really that pathetic now that they need to pretend like they're some "white knights" of esports. Esports is DYING because of this community. They put unnecessary attention on the littlest things that sponsors would probably never hear of had it not been of the community backlash. You guys literally give e-sports a bad name because you go apeshit over people raging in a video game. A fucking video game. You guys go apeshit over a person making a controversial joke. You go apeshit over a person making a controversial comment on a forum. Reconsider your priorities because if you honestly care about what these players say, you literally have no life. This community needs to grow the fuck up and grow some balls. i dont even know what to say. public statements from public persons get read and cared about by the fanbase that basicly pays the person? HOW TOTALLY WEIRD AND UNEXPECTED! just because you dont understand how the business and sponsoring works and apparently dont know anything about idras past either doesnt mean its fine what he does/did. also i dont know whos smurf account you are (99% posts in eg/idra threads on a lowpost acc) but it seems YOU are getting upset,YOU are defending a guy that basicly said on many occassions "fuck you i dont give a damn", YOU go into a rage about some guy getting fired in "A GAME". so maybe YOU should get your priorities straight, get a life and all the other fun stuff you wrote there. Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:41 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 20:35 Rioo wrote:On May 12 2013 20:27 Mangooze wrote:
I bet not a single person on this planet is truly offended by that "fucks" post. I doubt even anyone actually cares about the post itself... people only care about drama around it. It is all bullshit feelings. If a post is against the rules, just ban the user.
The wishing someone cancer thing I think is too much and I understand sponsors and EG had to do something about that.
You don't need to be offended by his behavior to find it pathetic and more suited for a 12 y.o. angry kid, not the "face of American Starcraft" to new viewers. So it's our job to punish for being who he is? Get real. If he wants to act that way so be it. Don't witch hunt him for being who he is: REAL. Unlike most of these players in this community. Most of these players are FAKE and say the most bullshit responses. That might have flew in 2011 but I'm honestly not impressed anymore since it's same bullshit every single time. I'd much rather have the face of American StarCraft have personality rather than these anti-social zombies be our "Great White Hope." i wouldnt call it "personality". its more on the side of a mental disorder. but good to know that you like it so much when people treat you like shit and act like arrogant douchebags. im sure the next time a guy comes up in a bar to you and says " he pay me a beer loser" youll go all glowy eyes and admire his great personality right?
I'm only acting out because I care about e-sports. I care about this community as well. I care about this community because our actions are what the sponsors see the most or what the outside world sees the most. Players are not the only ones that represent e-sports. When we talk, we represent it as well. So when we get people fired over stupid shit I get pissed off.
Whenever stuff like the Orb incident or Destiny came out, I kept quiet because I felt that the community would find it's way back. Now we have motherfucking IdrA getting the axe because of his comments. I couldn't take anymore. And people were acting like it wasn't a big deal that he got axed. HE LOST HIS JOB. Not over his RESULTS. But over his DEMEANOR. Even though he is a COMPETITIVE PLAYER. I'd much rather have IdrA be released for results rather than his demeanor. Instead, the community decided to be a like a white knight and witch hunt him. This community is dead to me.
His personality was that he didn't give a shit. And I respect that. Why do you care so much? Shouldn't you be talking about his LACKLUSTER results? Because this is a COMPETITIVE scene. Talk more about how he isn't good. Why the fuck do you care about what he says?
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On May 12 2013 20:57 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:43 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 12 2013 20:28 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 20:22 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 12 2013 20:04 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 14:00 Canucklehead wrote:On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit. I don't think the community is that good either, but for different reasons. There was a large enough portion of this community that let a character such as idra gain as much fame and popularity as he did because they enjoy seeing bm and rage. I don't think any mature person can be a fan of such behaviour. People may think they're mature, but they're not if they're into that sort of things. I don't mind trash talking cause I watch sports and that's all in good fun, but Idra's antic always went beyond that mostly. There's a reason the gaming scene in general isn't looked favourably by the general public and it's because there's an immaturity stigma attached to it. I can't really argue that isn't really the case either. Idra may insult these people, but he fails to realize these same people gave him the popularity and fame he got in the first place. If all these people leave, which I agree with him there, then he wouldn't have been as popular as he was in the first place, which is something he fails to recognize. My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense. i dont think you have any clue of how business,sponsoring,public image and all that works. if messi starts to shit on barcas fans tommorrow showing them the finger and telling in interviews that football sucks, fans are stupid etc then he wouldnt be playing for long anymore. also people dont get butthurt over a little comment. idra has been a douchebag to basicly evryone for the last 10 years. this was just the last straw that made it unbearable to have someone like him running around with sponsors on his jacket. ofc for "lesser" teams idra is still interesting cause the views he creates are more important. but eg is big, eg doesnt need idra and doesnt need a player that just causes trouble again and again and again. idra is a DAMN lucky fella that there are so many people that accept his bullshit(for whatever reason, its not like hes backing that up with skill,style,personality or anything) and that he got so decent money out of eg. cause we all know with that attitude he wouldnt last in ANY job in the world. Well here's the thing. None of this would even be in the sponsors attention had it not been for the community acting like pansies over the smallest shit. If you didn't notice in Real Talk, IdrA mentions how the sponsors were getting anxious because of the COMMUNITY BACKLASH. Not of the incident but of the BACKLASH it caused. The fact that the community got so pissed because of something small (if you honestly thought it was a big deal, you should reconsider your life priorities), is a sign that this community is quite frankly dying. We're sitting here scrutinizing people over what they say rather than how they play. Why the fuck does this community care about what the players say? Is this community really that pathetic now that they need to pretend like they're some "white knights" of esports. Esports is DYING because of this community. They put unnecessary attention on the littlest things that sponsors would probably never hear of had it not been of the community backlash. You guys literally give e-sports a bad name because you go apeshit over people raging in a video game. A fucking video game. You guys go apeshit over a person making a controversial joke. You go apeshit over a person making a controversial comment on a forum. Reconsider your priorities because if you honestly care about what these players say, you literally have no life. This community needs to grow the fuck up and grow some balls. i dont even know what to say. public statements from public persons get read and cared about by the fanbase that basicly pays the person? HOW TOTALLY WEIRD AND UNEXPECTED! just because you dont understand how the business and sponsoring works and apparently dont know anything about idras past either doesnt mean its fine what he does/did. also i dont know whos smurf account you are (99% posts in eg/idra threads on a lowpost acc) but it seems YOU are getting upset,YOU are defending a guy that basicly said on many occassions "fuck you i dont give a damn", YOU go into a rage about some guy getting fired in "A GAME". so maybe YOU should get your priorities straight, get a life and all the other fun stuff you wrote there. On May 12 2013 20:41 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 20:35 Rioo wrote:On May 12 2013 20:27 Mangooze wrote:
I bet not a single person on this planet is truly offended by that "fucks" post. I doubt even anyone actually cares about the post itself... people only care about drama around it. It is all bullshit feelings. If a post is against the rules, just ban the user.
The wishing someone cancer thing I think is too much and I understand sponsors and EG had to do something about that.
You don't need to be offended by his behavior to find it pathetic and more suited for a 12 y.o. angry kid, not the "face of American Starcraft" to new viewers. So it's our job to punish for being who he is? Get real. If he wants to act that way so be it. Don't witch hunt him for being who he is: REAL. Unlike most of these players in this community. Most of these players are FAKE and say the most bullshit responses. That might have flew in 2011 but I'm honestly not impressed anymore since it's same bullshit every single time. I'd much rather have the face of American StarCraft have personality rather than these anti-social zombies be our "Great White Hope." i wouldnt call it "personality". its more on the side of a mental disorder. but good to know that you like it so much when people treat you like shit and act like arrogant douchebags. im sure the next time a guy comes up in a bar to you and says " he pay me a beer loser" youll go all glowy eyes and admire his great personality right? I'm only acting out because I care about e-sports. I care about this community as well. I care about this community because our actions are what the sponsors see the most or what the outside world sees the most. Players are not the only ones that represent e-sports. When we talk, we represent it as well. So when we get people fired over stupid shit I get pissed off. Whenever stuff like the Orb incident or Destiny came out, I kept quiet because I felt that the community would find it's way back. Now we have motherfucking IdrA getting the axe because of his comments. I couldn't take anymore. And people were acting like it wasn't a big deal that he got axed. HE LOST HIS JOB. Not over his RESULTS. But over his DEMEANOR. Even though he is a COMPETITIVE PLAYER. I'd much rather have IdrA be released for results rather than his demeanor. Instead, the community decided to be a like a white knight and witch hunt him. This community is dead to me. His personality was that he didn't give a shit. And I respect that. Why do you care so much? Shouldn't you be talking about his LACKLUSTER results? Because this is a COMPETITIVE scene. Talk more about how he isn't good. Why the fuck do you care about what he says?
And according to Idra his job was to tell people that they are fucks and treat them as such and that this is what he was paid to do. And it got him fired because EG did not approve of this job description.
pretty simple.
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On May 12 2013 20:57 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:43 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 12 2013 20:28 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 20:22 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 12 2013 20:04 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 14:00 Canucklehead wrote:On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit. I don't think the community is that good either, but for different reasons. There was a large enough portion of this community that let a character such as idra gain as much fame and popularity as he did because they enjoy seeing bm and rage. I don't think any mature person can be a fan of such behaviour. People may think they're mature, but they're not if they're into that sort of things. I don't mind trash talking cause I watch sports and that's all in good fun, but Idra's antic always went beyond that mostly. There's a reason the gaming scene in general isn't looked favourably by the general public and it's because there's an immaturity stigma attached to it. I can't really argue that isn't really the case either. Idra may insult these people, but he fails to realize these same people gave him the popularity and fame he got in the first place. If all these people leave, which I agree with him there, then he wouldn't have been as popular as he was in the first place, which is something he fails to recognize. My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense. i dont think you have any clue of how business,sponsoring,public image and all that works. if messi starts to shit on barcas fans tommorrow showing them the finger and telling in interviews that football sucks, fans are stupid etc then he wouldnt be playing for long anymore. also people dont get butthurt over a little comment. idra has been a douchebag to basicly evryone for the last 10 years. this was just the last straw that made it unbearable to have someone like him running around with sponsors on his jacket. ofc for "lesser" teams idra is still interesting cause the views he creates are more important. but eg is big, eg doesnt need idra and doesnt need a player that just causes trouble again and again and again. idra is a DAMN lucky fella that there are so many people that accept his bullshit(for whatever reason, its not like hes backing that up with skill,style,personality or anything) and that he got so decent money out of eg. cause we all know with that attitude he wouldnt last in ANY job in the world. Well here's the thing. None of this would even be in the sponsors attention had it not been for the community acting like pansies over the smallest shit. If you didn't notice in Real Talk, IdrA mentions how the sponsors were getting anxious because of the COMMUNITY BACKLASH. Not of the incident but of the BACKLASH it caused. The fact that the community got so pissed because of something small (if you honestly thought it was a big deal, you should reconsider your life priorities), is a sign that this community is quite frankly dying. We're sitting here scrutinizing people over what they say rather than how they play. Why the fuck does this community care about what the players say? Is this community really that pathetic now that they need to pretend like they're some "white knights" of esports. Esports is DYING because of this community. They put unnecessary attention on the littlest things that sponsors would probably never hear of had it not been of the community backlash. You guys literally give e-sports a bad name because you go apeshit over people raging in a video game. A fucking video game. You guys go apeshit over a person making a controversial joke. You go apeshit over a person making a controversial comment on a forum. Reconsider your priorities because if you honestly care about what these players say, you literally have no life. This community needs to grow the fuck up and grow some balls. i dont even know what to say. public statements from public persons get read and cared about by the fanbase that basicly pays the person? HOW TOTALLY WEIRD AND UNEXPECTED! just because you dont understand how the business and sponsoring works and apparently dont know anything about idras past either doesnt mean its fine what he does/did. also i dont know whos smurf account you are (99% posts in eg/idra threads on a lowpost acc) but it seems YOU are getting upset,YOU are defending a guy that basicly said on many occassions "fuck you i dont give a damn", YOU go into a rage about some guy getting fired in "A GAME". so maybe YOU should get your priorities straight, get a life and all the other fun stuff you wrote there. On May 12 2013 20:41 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 20:35 Rioo wrote:On May 12 2013 20:27 Mangooze wrote:
I bet not a single person on this planet is truly offended by that "fucks" post. I doubt even anyone actually cares about the post itself... people only care about drama around it. It is all bullshit feelings. If a post is against the rules, just ban the user.
The wishing someone cancer thing I think is too much and I understand sponsors and EG had to do something about that.
You don't need to be offended by his behavior to find it pathetic and more suited for a 12 y.o. angry kid, not the "face of American Starcraft" to new viewers. So it's our job to punish for being who he is? Get real. If he wants to act that way so be it. Don't witch hunt him for being who he is: REAL. Unlike most of these players in this community. Most of these players are FAKE and say the most bullshit responses. That might have flew in 2011 but I'm honestly not impressed anymore since it's same bullshit every single time. I'd much rather have the face of American StarCraft have personality rather than these anti-social zombies be our "Great White Hope." i wouldnt call it "personality". its more on the side of a mental disorder. but good to know that you like it so much when people treat you like shit and act like arrogant douchebags. im sure the next time a guy comes up in a bar to you and says " he pay me a beer loser" youll go all glowy eyes and admire his great personality right? I'm only acting out because unlike you, I care about e-sports. I care about this community as well. I care about this community because our actions are what the sponsors see the most or what the outside world sees the most. Players are not the only ones that represent e-sports. When we talk, we represent it as well. So when we get people fired over stupid shit I get pissed off. Whenever stuff like the Orb incident or Destiny came out, I kept quiet because I felt that the community would find it's way back. Now we have motherfucking IdrA getting the axe because of his comments. I couldn't take anymore. And people were acting like it wasn't a big deal that he got axed. HE LOST HIS JOB. Not over his RESULTS. But over his DEMEANOR. Even though he is a COMPETITIVE PLAYER. I'd much rather have IdrA be released for results rather than his demeanor. Instead, the community decided to be a like a white knight and witch hunt him. This community is dead to me. His personality was that he didn't give a shit. And I respect that. Why do you care so much? Shouldn't you be talking about his LACKLUSTER results? Because this is a COMPETITIVE scene. Talk more about how he isn't good. Why the fuck do you care about what he says?
because his sportsmanship is shit. he thinks the game he plays is shit, he thinks his fans are shit and thinks most of the players are shit.
a guy like that has no place in a scene where image and relations to the "customer" (fans) are that important. thats also what people get payed for, to represent their team and sponsors in a good way. and for professional sports (be it esports or any other) he just did a terrible job at beeing a pro.
its business. and if you act like a douchebag all the time it will come back to you at one point.
and lets be honest here. its not like "ups he slipped a bad word, FIRE HIM!". its a loooong story of him always acting out in terrible ways. getting one chance after another, people were trying to help him for years. but instead he insists on acting like the childish arrogant guy we know from many years ago. its HIS fault and while all this interwebz communitys often overblow shit there is no one to blame but himself.
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On May 12 2013 20:54 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:49 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 20:44 Mahtasooma wrote:On May 12 2013 20:04 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense. Wrong. Whoever gives the money sets the rules. And you are right in saying it's SPORTS. He's part of a TEAM. He is part of not only one brand (EG), but a lot of brands (all sponsors). So everything he says should be in line with the CI of all those people. Yes, that's hard, but it's business, and business IS hard. Play by the rules or get sacked. Their only rule is that if the people get anxious, take the axes out. If you don't believe me, look at all the sports. Athletes say some horrific and immature things in private and public yet people don't get axed. That's because in those communities, people don't give two shits about what the athletes say. They only care about how good the play. At least, that's how all my sports friends are. It's the same logic with regular jobs. You have a guy who works hard, used to be really good and now isn't getting results. Something comes out about what that guy said. That something doesn't get much attention. The bosses realize that they can just ignore the issue and handle it quietly. They don't fire people if their image isn't at stake. Why do you think MLG "terminated" that admin when before they hadn't done such a thing. Because at that time, their image was being threatened. They took a course of action that they didn't take before and had people axed. tiger woods. always great to fans, whole world bitched about private issues that were none of their business.best player in the world. not some random decent guy that just thinks hes the greatest. tell the 2nd coworker to fuck off and you might have a problem. tell anyone with some say to fuckoff you are fired. tell a customer to fuck off and you are fired.
J.R. Smith talked about fucking a teenager on Twitter. The only response people said was "It's just Smith being Smith." Cause that's how he is.
IdrA didn't tell coworkers to fuck off. He raged at DeMusliM but that was it. So I don't where you got that from.
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On May 12 2013 21:06 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:57 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 20:43 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 12 2013 20:28 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 20:22 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 12 2013 20:04 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 14:00 Canucklehead wrote:On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit. I don't think the community is that good either, but for different reasons. There was a large enough portion of this community that let a character such as idra gain as much fame and popularity as he did because they enjoy seeing bm and rage. I don't think any mature person can be a fan of such behaviour. People may think they're mature, but they're not if they're into that sort of things. I don't mind trash talking cause I watch sports and that's all in good fun, but Idra's antic always went beyond that mostly. There's a reason the gaming scene in general isn't looked favourably by the general public and it's because there's an immaturity stigma attached to it. I can't really argue that isn't really the case either. Idra may insult these people, but he fails to realize these same people gave him the popularity and fame he got in the first place. If all these people leave, which I agree with him there, then he wouldn't have been as popular as he was in the first place, which is something he fails to recognize. My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense. i dont think you have any clue of how business,sponsoring,public image and all that works. if messi starts to shit on barcas fans tommorrow showing them the finger and telling in interviews that football sucks, fans are stupid etc then he wouldnt be playing for long anymore. also people dont get butthurt over a little comment. idra has been a douchebag to basicly evryone for the last 10 years. this was just the last straw that made it unbearable to have someone like him running around with sponsors on his jacket. ofc for "lesser" teams idra is still interesting cause the views he creates are more important. but eg is big, eg doesnt need idra and doesnt need a player that just causes trouble again and again and again. idra is a DAMN lucky fella that there are so many people that accept his bullshit(for whatever reason, its not like hes backing that up with skill,style,personality or anything) and that he got so decent money out of eg. cause we all know with that attitude he wouldnt last in ANY job in the world. Well here's the thing. None of this would even be in the sponsors attention had it not been for the community acting like pansies over the smallest shit. If you didn't notice in Real Talk, IdrA mentions how the sponsors were getting anxious because of the COMMUNITY BACKLASH. Not of the incident but of the BACKLASH it caused. The fact that the community got so pissed because of something small (if you honestly thought it was a big deal, you should reconsider your life priorities), is a sign that this community is quite frankly dying. We're sitting here scrutinizing people over what they say rather than how they play. Why the fuck does this community care about what the players say? Is this community really that pathetic now that they need to pretend like they're some "white knights" of esports. Esports is DYING because of this community. They put unnecessary attention on the littlest things that sponsors would probably never hear of had it not been of the community backlash. You guys literally give e-sports a bad name because you go apeshit over people raging in a video game. A fucking video game. You guys go apeshit over a person making a controversial joke. You go apeshit over a person making a controversial comment on a forum. Reconsider your priorities because if you honestly care about what these players say, you literally have no life. This community needs to grow the fuck up and grow some balls. i dont even know what to say. public statements from public persons get read and cared about by the fanbase that basicly pays the person? HOW TOTALLY WEIRD AND UNEXPECTED! just because you dont understand how the business and sponsoring works and apparently dont know anything about idras past either doesnt mean its fine what he does/did. also i dont know whos smurf account you are (99% posts in eg/idra threads on a lowpost acc) but it seems YOU are getting upset,YOU are defending a guy that basicly said on many occassions "fuck you i dont give a damn", YOU go into a rage about some guy getting fired in "A GAME". so maybe YOU should get your priorities straight, get a life and all the other fun stuff you wrote there. On May 12 2013 20:41 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 20:35 Rioo wrote:On May 12 2013 20:27 Mangooze wrote:
I bet not a single person on this planet is truly offended by that "fucks" post. I doubt even anyone actually cares about the post itself... people only care about drama around it. It is all bullshit feelings. If a post is against the rules, just ban the user.
The wishing someone cancer thing I think is too much and I understand sponsors and EG had to do something about that.
You don't need to be offended by his behavior to find it pathetic and more suited for a 12 y.o. angry kid, not the "face of American Starcraft" to new viewers. So it's our job to punish for being who he is? Get real. If he wants to act that way so be it. Don't witch hunt him for being who he is: REAL. Unlike most of these players in this community. Most of these players are FAKE and say the most bullshit responses. That might have flew in 2011 but I'm honestly not impressed anymore since it's same bullshit every single time. I'd much rather have the face of American StarCraft have personality rather than these anti-social zombies be our "Great White Hope." i wouldnt call it "personality". its more on the side of a mental disorder. but good to know that you like it so much when people treat you like shit and act like arrogant douchebags. im sure the next time a guy comes up in a bar to you and says " he pay me a beer loser" youll go all glowy eyes and admire his great personality right? I'm only acting out because unlike you, I care about e-sports. I care about this community as well. I care about this community because our actions are what the sponsors see the most or what the outside world sees the most. Players are not the only ones that represent e-sports. When we talk, we represent it as well. So when we get people fired over stupid shit I get pissed off. Whenever stuff like the Orb incident or Destiny came out, I kept quiet because I felt that the community would find it's way back. Now we have motherfucking IdrA getting the axe because of his comments. I couldn't take anymore. And people were acting like it wasn't a big deal that he got axed. HE LOST HIS JOB. Not over his RESULTS. But over his DEMEANOR. Even though he is a COMPETITIVE PLAYER. I'd much rather have IdrA be released for results rather than his demeanor. Instead, the community decided to be a like a white knight and witch hunt him. This community is dead to me. His personality was that he didn't give a shit. And I respect that. Why do you care so much? Shouldn't you be talking about his LACKLUSTER results? Because this is a COMPETITIVE scene. Talk more about how he isn't good. Why the fuck do you care about what he says? because his sportsmanship is shit. he thinks the game he plays is shit, he thinks his fans are shit and thinks most of the players are shit. a guy like that has no place in a scene where image and relations to the "customer" (fans) are that important. thats also what people get payed for, to represent their team and sponsors in a good way. and for professional sports (be it esports or any other) he just did a terrible job at beeing a pro. its business. and if you act like a douchebag all the time it will come back to you at one point.
Sportsmanship? You do realize that ALL sports have athletes with poor sportsmanship. Hell, I watched LeBron James refuse to shake hands his opponents in the 2009 NBA Conference Finals. The Boston Celtics make a living off of talking trash especially against teams like the Lakers or the Knicks. NFL players talk trash on the regular. Don't even get me started on the Red Sox-Yankees trash talk.
If you didn't watch his interview with JP, IdrA actually does value his REAL fans a lot. His fans are the reason why he's continuing to remain in e-sports.
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On May 12 2013 21:06 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
[...] he thinks his fans are shit [...]
No.
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So much attention for this guy. He is outta EG but they are supporting him in their own ways. I'm glad they took action to curb his baby tantrums at least. Hopefully, he goes for more psychiatric sessions, he has some deep rooted issues.
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On May 12 2013 20:57 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:43 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 12 2013 20:28 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 20:22 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 12 2013 20:04 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 14:00 Canucklehead wrote:On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit. I don't think the community is that good either, but for different reasons. There was a large enough portion of this community that let a character such as idra gain as much fame and popularity as he did because they enjoy seeing bm and rage. I don't think any mature person can be a fan of such behaviour. People may think they're mature, but they're not if they're into that sort of things. I don't mind trash talking cause I watch sports and that's all in good fun, but Idra's antic always went beyond that mostly. There's a reason the gaming scene in general isn't looked favourably by the general public and it's because there's an immaturity stigma attached to it. I can't really argue that isn't really the case either. Idra may insult these people, but he fails to realize these same people gave him the popularity and fame he got in the first place. If all these people leave, which I agree with him there, then he wouldn't have been as popular as he was in the first place, which is something he fails to recognize. My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense. i dont think you have any clue of how business,sponsoring,public image and all that works. if messi starts to shit on barcas fans tommorrow showing them the finger and telling in interviews that football sucks, fans are stupid etc then he wouldnt be playing for long anymore. also people dont get butthurt over a little comment. idra has been a douchebag to basicly evryone for the last 10 years. this was just the last straw that made it unbearable to have someone like him running around with sponsors on his jacket. ofc for "lesser" teams idra is still interesting cause the views he creates are more important. but eg is big, eg doesnt need idra and doesnt need a player that just causes trouble again and again and again. idra is a DAMN lucky fella that there are so many people that accept his bullshit(for whatever reason, its not like hes backing that up with skill,style,personality or anything) and that he got so decent money out of eg. cause we all know with that attitude he wouldnt last in ANY job in the world. Well here's the thing. None of this would even be in the sponsors attention had it not been for the community acting like pansies over the smallest shit. If you didn't notice in Real Talk, IdrA mentions how the sponsors were getting anxious because of the COMMUNITY BACKLASH. Not of the incident but of the BACKLASH it caused. The fact that the community got so pissed because of something small (if you honestly thought it was a big deal, you should reconsider your life priorities), is a sign that this community is quite frankly dying. We're sitting here scrutinizing people over what they say rather than how they play. Why the fuck does this community care about what the players say? Is this community really that pathetic now that they need to pretend like they're some "white knights" of esports. Esports is DYING because of this community. They put unnecessary attention on the littlest things that sponsors would probably never hear of had it not been of the community backlash. You guys literally give e-sports a bad name because you go apeshit over people raging in a video game. A fucking video game. You guys go apeshit over a person making a controversial joke. You go apeshit over a person making a controversial comment on a forum. Reconsider your priorities because if you honestly care about what these players say, you literally have no life. This community needs to grow the fuck up and grow some balls. i dont even know what to say. public statements from public persons get read and cared about by the fanbase that basicly pays the person? HOW TOTALLY WEIRD AND UNEXPECTED! just because you dont understand how the business and sponsoring works and apparently dont know anything about idras past either doesnt mean its fine what he does/did. also i dont know whos smurf account you are (99% posts in eg/idra threads on a lowpost acc) but it seems YOU are getting upset,YOU are defending a guy that basicly said on many occassions "fuck you i dont give a damn", YOU go into a rage about some guy getting fired in "A GAME". so maybe YOU should get your priorities straight, get a life and all the other fun stuff you wrote there. On May 12 2013 20:41 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 20:35 Rioo wrote:On May 12 2013 20:27 Mangooze wrote:
I bet not a single person on this planet is truly offended by that "fucks" post. I doubt even anyone actually cares about the post itself... people only care about drama around it. It is all bullshit feelings. If a post is against the rules, just ban the user.
The wishing someone cancer thing I think is too much and I understand sponsors and EG had to do something about that.
You don't need to be offended by his behavior to find it pathetic and more suited for a 12 y.o. angry kid, not the "face of American Starcraft" to new viewers. So it's our job to punish for being who he is? Get real. If he wants to act that way so be it. Don't witch hunt him for being who he is: REAL. Unlike most of these players in this community. Most of these players are FAKE and say the most bullshit responses. That might have flew in 2011 but I'm honestly not impressed anymore since it's same bullshit every single time. I'd much rather have the face of American StarCraft have personality rather than these anti-social zombies be our "Great White Hope." i wouldnt call it "personality". its more on the side of a mental disorder. but good to know that you like it so much when people treat you like shit and act like arrogant douchebags. im sure the next time a guy comes up in a bar to you and says " he pay me a beer loser" youll go all glowy eyes and admire his great personality right? I'm only acting out because I care about e-sports. I care about this community as well. I care about this community because our actions are what the sponsors see the most or what the outside world sees the most. Players are not the only ones that represent e-sports. When we talk, we represent it as well. So when we get people fired over stupid shit I get pissed off. Whenever stuff like the Orb incident or Destiny came out, I kept quiet because I felt that the community would find it's way back. Now we have motherfucking IdrA getting the axe because of his comments. I couldn't take anymore. And people were acting like it wasn't a big deal that he got axed. HE LOST HIS JOB. Not over his RESULTS. But over his DEMEANOR. Even though he is a COMPETITIVE PLAYER. I'd much rather have IdrA be released for results rather than his demeanor. Instead, the community decided to be a like a white knight and witch hunt him. This community is dead to me. His personality was that he didn't give a shit. And I respect that. Why do you care so much? Shouldn't you be talking about his LACKLUSTER results? Because this is a COMPETITIVE scene. Talk more about how he isn't good. Why the fuck do you care about what he says?
Let me give some examples:
1. Dentist does beautiful work, fantastic fixed prosthodontics, beautiful root canals; tells patients to fuck off and they're worthless -> fired
2. Doctor never misses a diagnosis, treats everything but tells patients to fuck off -> fired.
3. Accountant saves clients every cent but tells them they're pieces of shit -> fired.
In the real world, demeanor is very important. Players on their team are the public image - if they aren't the image the team wants and it is in the contract, the team has every reason to fire them. Don't be under the illusion IdrA was wronged here - I'm quite surprised a well established team did not fire him earlier for all the derogatory comments he makes.
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People who cry about sportsmanship probably don't even watch sports. Trash talk and sports are like yin and yang or peanut butter and jelly. One doesn't exist without the other. Sports organizations like to limit trash talk but the players still do it. So don't cry about IdrA's trash talk acting like it makes e-sports look bad. You know what it does? It makes e-sports look like AN ACTUAL SPORT.
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On May 12 2013 21:15 etherealfall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:57 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 20:43 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 12 2013 20:28 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 20:22 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 12 2013 20:04 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 14:00 Canucklehead wrote:On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit. I don't think the community is that good either, but for different reasons. There was a large enough portion of this community that let a character such as idra gain as much fame and popularity as he did because they enjoy seeing bm and rage. I don't think any mature person can be a fan of such behaviour. People may think they're mature, but they're not if they're into that sort of things. I don't mind trash talking cause I watch sports and that's all in good fun, but Idra's antic always went beyond that mostly. There's a reason the gaming scene in general isn't looked favourably by the general public and it's because there's an immaturity stigma attached to it. I can't really argue that isn't really the case either. Idra may insult these people, but he fails to realize these same people gave him the popularity and fame he got in the first place. If all these people leave, which I agree with him there, then he wouldn't have been as popular as he was in the first place, which is something he fails to recognize. My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense. i dont think you have any clue of how business,sponsoring,public image and all that works. if messi starts to shit on barcas fans tommorrow showing them the finger and telling in interviews that football sucks, fans are stupid etc then he wouldnt be playing for long anymore. also people dont get butthurt over a little comment. idra has been a douchebag to basicly evryone for the last 10 years. this was just the last straw that made it unbearable to have someone like him running around with sponsors on his jacket. ofc for "lesser" teams idra is still interesting cause the views he creates are more important. but eg is big, eg doesnt need idra and doesnt need a player that just causes trouble again and again and again. idra is a DAMN lucky fella that there are so many people that accept his bullshit(for whatever reason, its not like hes backing that up with skill,style,personality or anything) and that he got so decent money out of eg. cause we all know with that attitude he wouldnt last in ANY job in the world. Well here's the thing. None of this would even be in the sponsors attention had it not been for the community acting like pansies over the smallest shit. If you didn't notice in Real Talk, IdrA mentions how the sponsors were getting anxious because of the COMMUNITY BACKLASH. Not of the incident but of the BACKLASH it caused. The fact that the community got so pissed because of something small (if you honestly thought it was a big deal, you should reconsider your life priorities), is a sign that this community is quite frankly dying. We're sitting here scrutinizing people over what they say rather than how they play. Why the fuck does this community care about what the players say? Is this community really that pathetic now that they need to pretend like they're some "white knights" of esports. Esports is DYING because of this community. They put unnecessary attention on the littlest things that sponsors would probably never hear of had it not been of the community backlash. You guys literally give e-sports a bad name because you go apeshit over people raging in a video game. A fucking video game. You guys go apeshit over a person making a controversial joke. You go apeshit over a person making a controversial comment on a forum. Reconsider your priorities because if you honestly care about what these players say, you literally have no life. This community needs to grow the fuck up and grow some balls. i dont even know what to say. public statements from public persons get read and cared about by the fanbase that basicly pays the person? HOW TOTALLY WEIRD AND UNEXPECTED! just because you dont understand how the business and sponsoring works and apparently dont know anything about idras past either doesnt mean its fine what he does/did. also i dont know whos smurf account you are (99% posts in eg/idra threads on a lowpost acc) but it seems YOU are getting upset,YOU are defending a guy that basicly said on many occassions "fuck you i dont give a damn", YOU go into a rage about some guy getting fired in "A GAME". so maybe YOU should get your priorities straight, get a life and all the other fun stuff you wrote there. On May 12 2013 20:41 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 12 2013 20:35 Rioo wrote:On May 12 2013 20:27 Mangooze wrote:
I bet not a single person on this planet is truly offended by that "fucks" post. I doubt even anyone actually cares about the post itself... people only care about drama around it. It is all bullshit feelings. If a post is against the rules, just ban the user.
The wishing someone cancer thing I think is too much and I understand sponsors and EG had to do something about that.
You don't need to be offended by his behavior to find it pathetic and more suited for a 12 y.o. angry kid, not the "face of American Starcraft" to new viewers. So it's our job to punish for being who he is? Get real. If he wants to act that way so be it. Don't witch hunt him for being who he is: REAL. Unlike most of these players in this community. Most of these players are FAKE and say the most bullshit responses. That might have flew in 2011 but I'm honestly not impressed anymore since it's same bullshit every single time. I'd much rather have the face of American StarCraft have personality rather than these anti-social zombies be our "Great White Hope." i wouldnt call it "personality". its more on the side of a mental disorder. but good to know that you like it so much when people treat you like shit and act like arrogant douchebags. im sure the next time a guy comes up in a bar to you and says " he pay me a beer loser" youll go all glowy eyes and admire his great personality right? I'm only acting out because I care about e-sports. I care about this community as well. I care about this community because our actions are what the sponsors see the most or what the outside world sees the most. Players are not the only ones that represent e-sports. When we talk, we represent it as well. So when we get people fired over stupid shit I get pissed off. Whenever stuff like the Orb incident or Destiny came out, I kept quiet because I felt that the community would find it's way back. Now we have motherfucking IdrA getting the axe because of his comments. I couldn't take anymore. And people were acting like it wasn't a big deal that he got axed. HE LOST HIS JOB. Not over his RESULTS. But over his DEMEANOR. Even though he is a COMPETITIVE PLAYER. I'd much rather have IdrA be released for results rather than his demeanor. Instead, the community decided to be a like a white knight and witch hunt him. This community is dead to me. His personality was that he didn't give a shit. And I respect that. Why do you care so much? Shouldn't you be talking about his LACKLUSTER results? Because this is a COMPETITIVE scene. Talk more about how he isn't good. Why the fuck do you care about what he says? Let me give some examples: 1. Dentist does beautiful work, fantastic fixed prosthodontics, beautiful root canals; tells patients to fuck off and they're worthless -> fired 2. Doctor never misses a diagnosis, treats everything but tells patients to fuck off -> fired. 3. Accountant saves clients every cent but tells them they're pieces of shit -> fired. In the real world, demeanor is very important. Players on their team are the public image - if they aren't the image the team wants and it is in the contract, the team has every reason to fire them. Don't be under the illusion IdrA was wronged here - I'm quite surprised a well established team did not fire him earlier for all the derogatory comments he makes.
You obviously never watched House 
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On May 12 2013 20:49 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:44 Mahtasooma wrote:On May 12 2013 20:04 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense. Wrong. Whoever gives the money sets the rules. And you are right in saying it's SPORTS. He's part of a TEAM. He is part of not only one brand (EG), but a lot of brands (all sponsors). So everything he says should be in line with the CI of all those people. Yes, that's hard, but it's business, and business IS hard. Play by the rules or get sacked. Their only rule is that if the people get anxious, take the axes out. If you don't believe me, look at all the sports. Athletes say some horrific and immature things in private and public yet people don't get axed. That's because in those communities, people don't give two shits about what the athletes say. They only care about how good the play. At least, that's how all my sports friends are. It's the same logic with regular jobs. You have a guy who works hard, used to be really good and now isn't getting results. Something comes out about what that guy said. That something doesn't get much attention. The bosses realize that they can just ignore the issue and handle it quietly. They don't fire people if their image isn't at stake. Why do you think MLG "terminated" that admin when before they hadn't done such a thing. Because at that time, their image was being threatened. They took a course of action that they didn't take before and had people axed.
Did you really want Idra and EG to continue? Idra was moving in circles, not improving at all about his fighting spirit even after playing in tournaments all these years. Then on top, he was writing stupid shit presumably because of being frustrated. It didn't look like fun watching from the outside, more like being trapped. Over the years, this turned out to be pretty depressing to watch for me.
That first Polt game was looking so good, but the night still ended at 0:4. Seeing a break down was maybe entertaining at first, but in hindsight it's kind of depressing and annoying overall. Whatever problems there are, they will never go away without anyone doing anything drastic.
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