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Funny how after the first stream since he was released most people consider idra a saint all of the sudden. You can't judge if he changed on one stream after the event. Give him at least 6 months to see if his attitude has changed. Of course I wish he does turn a new leaf and is more mature when he plays the game. Also, I Wouldn't be shocked if he starts to switch over to LoL over the course of a year as it seems to be the trendy thing to do for now until some other game overshadows it.
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On May 12 2013 15:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I don't think I need to point how petty, ignorant and petulant your entire post was. I mean, why even call someone else an ass if you're going to write something like that?
I don't know, his post seemed pretty reasonable to me, and I have nothing against Idra or anyone else involved in this issue.
Edit: I think Idra realizes intellectually what the problem is here, and he's clearly trying to find a way to move forward that makes it less of an issue. However, he's also someone whose ego demands that he justify and try to excuse a lot of behavior that's simply not socially acceptable.
It's possible, even likely, that in ten years he'll look back and shake his head at how he's behaved in the public eye the last few years. I hope not only that he gets another chance to make good but that he can put all of this behind him and be viewed widely as one of the respected veterans of the game from the time when there were a lot fewer opportunities to do so, without his temper being a factor in his public image.
But, for now, he still seems a bit out of touch with how his words sound to other people.
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i'm confused that idra would say the drama fans are bad when they seem to be exactly who he caters to.
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Is he the only notable pro who continually states how he finds SC2 inferior to BW?
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On May 12 2013 16:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
i'm confused that idra would say the drama fans are bad when they seem to be exactly who he caters to.
The two aren't mutually exclusive. If a bunch of assholes want to add on another 1000-2000 viewers onto his stream, and that number is quadruple what most streamers would be lucky to get, then catering to them will earn you a decent living. That doesn't make the drama whores any less toxic to the community.
On May 12 2013 16:33 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 15:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I don't think I need to point how petty, ignorant and petulant your entire post was. I mean, why even call someone else an ass if you're going to write something like that? I don't know, his post seemed pretty reasonable to me, and I have nothing against Idra or anyone else involved in this issue. Edit: I think Idra realizes intellectually what the problem is here, and he's clearly trying to find a way to move forward that makes it less of an issue. However, he's also someone whose ego demands that he justify and try to excuse a lot of behavior that's simply not socially acceptable. It's possible, even likely, that in ten years he'll look back and shake his head at how he's behaved in the public eye the last few years. I hope not only that he gets another chance to make good but that he can put all of this behind him and be viewed widely as one of the respected veterans of the game from the time when there were a lot fewer opportunities to do so, without his temper being a factor in his public image. But, for now, he still seems a bit out of touch with how his words sound to other people.
In spite of all the things that Idra has said, there is one thing that he's done over the years...and that's own up to all the asshole statements he's made.
The same can't be said about all the internet trolls. And it's people like Philip that will demonize the slightest word and make a mountain out of a molehill.
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On May 12 2013 16:30 Imperfect1987 wrote:
Funny how after the first stream since he was released most people consider idra a saint all of the sudden. You can't judge if he changed on one stream after the event. Give him at least 6 months to see if his attitude has changed. Of course I wish he does turn a new leaf and is more mature when he plays the game. Also, I Wouldn't be shocked if he starts to switch over to LoL over the course of a year as it seems to be the trendy thing to do for now until some other game overshadows it.
Well of course he has changed. He is no longer Evil. This must mean something!
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After watching the interview with JP it reminded me how much of an effect IdrA has made on Esports for me personally. Despite the fact that he's no longer the go to person for me to look for in a tournament, there was certainly a time in 2011 when seeing him at a tournament was the big draw card. I'm fortunate enough to have a job where I can watch streams and tournaments as I work, and I watch probably a good 5 hours a day, any day of the week. He was the first player that I found I was able to follow as a personality, so despite all the comments and the potential hate people give him, theres a lot hes done for the growth of viewer base. Certainly for me I think my coming around to gaming as a professional sport might have been a longer transition had players like him not given us a storyline to cheer for.
Hope he finds his way with whatever he continues doing.
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On May 12 2013 16:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 16:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
i'm confused that idra would say the drama fans are bad when they seem to be exactly who he caters to. The two aren't mutually exclusive. If a bunch of assholes want to add on another 1000-2000 viewers onto his stream, and that number is quadruple what most streamers would be lucky to get, then catering to them will earn you a decent living. That doesn't make the drama whores any less toxic to the community. Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 16:33 Lysenko wrote:On May 12 2013 15:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I don't think I need to point how petty, ignorant and petulant your entire post was. I mean, why even call someone else an ass if you're going to write something like that? I don't know, his post seemed pretty reasonable to me, and I have nothing against Idra or anyone else involved in this issue. Edit: I think Idra realizes intellectually what the problem is here, and he's clearly trying to find a way to move forward that makes it less of an issue. However, he's also someone whose ego demands that he justify and try to excuse a lot of behavior that's simply not socially acceptable. It's possible, even likely, that in ten years he'll look back and shake his head at how he's behaved in the public eye the last few years. I hope not only that he gets another chance to make good but that he can put all of this behind him and be viewed widely as one of the respected veterans of the game from the time when there were a lot fewer opportunities to do so, without his temper being a factor in his public image. But, for now, he still seems a bit out of touch with how his words sound to other people. In spite of all the things that Idra has said, there is one thing that he's done over the years...and that's own up to all the asshole statements he's made. The same can't be said about all the internet trolls. And it's people like Philip that will demonize the slightest word and make a mountain out of a molehill.
Did he only own up to them after being let go?
It looks like it.
Saying sorry after you have been heavily punished is not really owning up at all.
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On May 12 2013 17:01 The Devastator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 16:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 12 2013 16:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
i'm confused that idra would say the drama fans are bad when they seem to be exactly who he caters to. The two aren't mutually exclusive. If a bunch of assholes want to add on another 1000-2000 viewers onto his stream, and that number is quadruple what most streamers would be lucky to get, then catering to them will earn you a decent living. That doesn't make the drama whores any less toxic to the community. On May 12 2013 16:33 Lysenko wrote:On May 12 2013 15:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I don't think I need to point how petty, ignorant and petulant your entire post was. I mean, why even call someone else an ass if you're going to write something like that? I don't know, his post seemed pretty reasonable to me, and I have nothing against Idra or anyone else involved in this issue. Edit: I think Idra realizes intellectually what the problem is here, and he's clearly trying to find a way to move forward that makes it less of an issue. However, he's also someone whose ego demands that he justify and try to excuse a lot of behavior that's simply not socially acceptable. It's possible, even likely, that in ten years he'll look back and shake his head at how he's behaved in the public eye the last few years. I hope not only that he gets another chance to make good but that he can put all of this behind him and be viewed widely as one of the respected veterans of the game from the time when there were a lot fewer opportunities to do so, without his temper being a factor in his public image. But, for now, he still seems a bit out of touch with how his words sound to other people. In spite of all the things that Idra has said, there is one thing that he's done over the years...and that's own up to all the asshole statements he's made. The same can't be said about all the internet trolls. And it's people like Philip that will demonize the slightest word and make a mountain out of a molehill. Did he only own up to them after being let go? It looks like it. Saying sorry after you have been heavily punished is not really owning up at all.
Actually it is. He's already been kicked from the team so he could you know, not own up to it now and face no consequences from teams or sponsors.
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On May 12 2013 17:05 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 17:01 The Devastator wrote:On May 12 2013 16:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 12 2013 16:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
i'm confused that idra would say the drama fans are bad when they seem to be exactly who he caters to. The two aren't mutually exclusive. If a bunch of assholes want to add on another 1000-2000 viewers onto his stream, and that number is quadruple what most streamers would be lucky to get, then catering to them will earn you a decent living. That doesn't make the drama whores any less toxic to the community. On May 12 2013 16:33 Lysenko wrote:On May 12 2013 15:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I don't think I need to point how petty, ignorant and petulant your entire post was. I mean, why even call someone else an ass if you're going to write something like that? I don't know, his post seemed pretty reasonable to me, and I have nothing against Idra or anyone else involved in this issue. Edit: I think Idra realizes intellectually what the problem is here, and he's clearly trying to find a way to move forward that makes it less of an issue. However, he's also someone whose ego demands that he justify and try to excuse a lot of behavior that's simply not socially acceptable. It's possible, even likely, that in ten years he'll look back and shake his head at how he's behaved in the public eye the last few years. I hope not only that he gets another chance to make good but that he can put all of this behind him and be viewed widely as one of the respected veterans of the game from the time when there were a lot fewer opportunities to do so, without his temper being a factor in his public image. But, for now, he still seems a bit out of touch with how his words sound to other people. In spite of all the things that Idra has said, there is one thing that he's done over the years...and that's own up to all the asshole statements he's made. The same can't be said about all the internet trolls. And it's people like Philip that will demonize the slightest word and make a mountain out of a molehill. Did he only own up to them after being let go? It looks like it. Saying sorry after you have been heavily punished is not really owning up at all. Actually it is. He's already been kicked from the team so he could you know, not own up to it now and face no consequences from teams or sponsors.
Then why did he not do it before this went down?
Or better yet, just stop doing the extreme stuff.
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well I'm most likely no longer watching anything to do with EG. I'm a die hard idra fan and I personally didnt care much for any other players they have, besides Ben and Geoff.
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On May 12 2013 17:15 AhOhitzXray wrote:
well I'm most likely no longer watching anything to do with EG. I'm a die hard idra fan and I personally didnt care much for any other players they have, besides Ben and Geoff.
You need to remove that EG banner from you sig there 
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As long as Idra isn't paid to play the game anymore I suddenly have much more sympathy for him. He isn't a fraud anymore who's paid to be bad at the game he hates because it'll make his fans buy some monster drinks. He'd make a good caster for NASL or Proleague, but I guess his main source of income will be to stream and to do youtube content and to cash on the views of the "dumb fucks" ?
Perhaps he should do what day9 did, go to school (he needs it, he needs to meet real people and stop living in a closed team house world, well he stopped that this week :o) and stream at night, have a daily or something. Seems he'll go to LoL, they deserve him so seems everything fits nicely xD And there he'll be able to aim for 100k viewers !
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On May 12 2013 16:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
i'm confused that idra would say the drama fans are bad when they seem to be exactly who he caters to.
Hm, he also hinted that he has been getting too much attention recently, considering his results. He might have prefered some people to just wander off instead of preying for him to lose and rage. He also mentioned the pressure the (negative) attention put on him, he understandably didn't enjoy that.
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On May 12 2013 17:14 The Devastator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 17:05 Magic_Mike wrote:On May 12 2013 17:01 The Devastator wrote:On May 12 2013 16:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 12 2013 16:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
i'm confused that idra would say the drama fans are bad when they seem to be exactly who he caters to. The two aren't mutually exclusive. If a bunch of assholes want to add on another 1000-2000 viewers onto his stream, and that number is quadruple what most streamers would be lucky to get, then catering to them will earn you a decent living. That doesn't make the drama whores any less toxic to the community. On May 12 2013 16:33 Lysenko wrote:On May 12 2013 15:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I don't think I need to point how petty, ignorant and petulant your entire post was. I mean, why even call someone else an ass if you're going to write something like that? I don't know, his post seemed pretty reasonable to me, and I have nothing against Idra or anyone else involved in this issue. Edit: I think Idra realizes intellectually what the problem is here, and he's clearly trying to find a way to move forward that makes it less of an issue. However, he's also someone whose ego demands that he justify and try to excuse a lot of behavior that's simply not socially acceptable. It's possible, even likely, that in ten years he'll look back and shake his head at how he's behaved in the public eye the last few years. I hope not only that he gets another chance to make good but that he can put all of this behind him and be viewed widely as one of the respected veterans of the game from the time when there were a lot fewer opportunities to do so, without his temper being a factor in his public image. But, for now, he still seems a bit out of touch with how his words sound to other people. In spite of all the things that Idra has said, there is one thing that he's done over the years...and that's own up to all the asshole statements he's made. The same can't be said about all the internet trolls. And it's people like Philip that will demonize the slightest word and make a mountain out of a molehill. Did he only own up to them after being let go? It looks like it. Saying sorry after you have been heavily punished is not really owning up at all. Actually it is. He's already been kicked from the team so he could you know, not own up to it now and face no consequences from teams or sponsors. Then why did he not do it before this went down? Or better yet, just stop doing the extreme stuff.
Because he's had no incentive to do so. Quite the opposite in fact.
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On May 12 2013 17:14 The Devastator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 17:05 Magic_Mike wrote:On May 12 2013 17:01 The Devastator wrote:On May 12 2013 16:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 12 2013 16:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
i'm confused that idra would say the drama fans are bad when they seem to be exactly who he caters to. The two aren't mutually exclusive. If a bunch of assholes want to add on another 1000-2000 viewers onto his stream, and that number is quadruple what most streamers would be lucky to get, then catering to them will earn you a decent living. That doesn't make the drama whores any less toxic to the community. On May 12 2013 16:33 Lysenko wrote:On May 12 2013 15:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I don't think I need to point how petty, ignorant and petulant your entire post was. I mean, why even call someone else an ass if you're going to write something like that? I don't know, his post seemed pretty reasonable to me, and I have nothing against Idra or anyone else involved in this issue. Edit: I think Idra realizes intellectually what the problem is here, and he's clearly trying to find a way to move forward that makes it less of an issue. However, he's also someone whose ego demands that he justify and try to excuse a lot of behavior that's simply not socially acceptable. It's possible, even likely, that in ten years he'll look back and shake his head at how he's behaved in the public eye the last few years. I hope not only that he gets another chance to make good but that he can put all of this behind him and be viewed widely as one of the respected veterans of the game from the time when there were a lot fewer opportunities to do so, without his temper being a factor in his public image. But, for now, he still seems a bit out of touch with how his words sound to other people. In spite of all the things that Idra has said, there is one thing that he's done over the years...and that's own up to all the asshole statements he's made. The same can't be said about all the internet trolls. And it's people like Philip that will demonize the slightest word and make a mountain out of a molehill. Did he only own up to them after being let go? It looks like it. Saying sorry after you have been heavily punished is not really owning up at all. Actually it is. He's already been kicked from the team so he could you know, not own up to it now and face no consequences from teams or sponsors. Then why did he not do it before this went down? Or better yet, just stop doing the extreme stuff.
What extreme stuff?
Why is the sc2 scene so sensitive? Never seen this with any other games.
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On May 12 2013 16:44 Taku wrote:
Is he the only notable pro who continually states how he finds SC2 inferior to BW?
Of course not. The large majority of pros thinks that, they just don't hate sc2 as much. It's beating a dead horse years ago.
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this thread is about to receive 1million views!
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On May 12 2013 17:07 firehand101 wrote:EG is not the same anymore
That's a good thing. From being a team who puts a non-performing, bad mannered, rude, non-professional player on a pedistal to actually trying to be professional. I think they did the best thing they ever could.
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