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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On May 12 2013 11:13 waxypants wrote: Hmmm I think he was very in touch with why it happened, he even said he probably would have fired himself a long time ago :/ No he is not. He understands why his actions caused this but he stands by them. He does not understand what is wrong with him and does not care to fix it. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8155 Posts
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CrugerDK
Denmark323 Posts
It seems silly but I now feel the my EG tag is more appropriate. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On May 12 2013 18:53 -Archangel- wrote: No he is not. He understands why his actions caused this but he stands by them. He does not understand what is wrong with him and does not care to fix it. you don't have to agree with something to understand it. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On May 12 2013 18:53 -Archangel- wrote: No he is not. He understands why his actions caused this but he stands by them. He does not understand what is wrong with him and does not care to fix it. He does actually seem to understand what's wrong, and he is "fixing" it, by quitting playing as a pro/competitive gamer. He doesn't have the right attitude/mentality to play as a progamer these days, and his skill level isn't sufficient to overcome his mental difficulties with playing to win/staying in the game, respecting opponents, playing the game and the player, and also he doesn't even really like playing the game. So he's stopped playing the game, which is a form of fix for his career generally. And by mental difficulties I don't mean he has any disorders, I mean he doesn't have the right mental attitude, which he admits to a degree. He presumably believes he can't "fix" this problem, and hence he's stopped being a pro. So he understands what's wrong, believes he can't fix it, and has taken the only reasonable steps. It's only a shame he did this after throwing away his spot in WCS, depriving someone more deserving of a spot. | ||
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Baum
Germany1010 Posts
On May 12 2013 18:53 -Archangel- wrote: No he is not. He understands why his actions caused this but he stands by them. He does not understand what is wrong with him and does not care to fix it. If you can live with the consequences of your actions why should you care to change your behavior? He already made a big change with retiring as a competitive player which means it doesn't matter anymore if he likes the game or not. Otherwise I don't think you are in the position to judge if there is something "wrong" with him or not. I think that's a very disrespectful way of thinking you are displaying in your post. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On May 12 2013 19:22 Chaggi wrote: you don't have to agree with something to understand it. I am not talking about understanding, but him being "in touch with it" as the person quoted said. It is clear Idra as an intelligent person he is understands how business works and why EG had to let them go. That is the reason why he is not angry at them. But he does not understand why it is bad for him to do what he does. He blames haters, but does not accept that he invites those haters with his behaviour. If he stopped BM everyone on his stream and became nice those people would no longer come to his stream. Other part of this is his leaving games. His EGO is over 9000. He is so sure he is right and everyone is wrong. He is so sure Polt would not make a mistake or that he would not do something better to win that game. Yes, he is a smart guy but he is not that smart that from that point he can say: "Yes, I lose in 90% cases!" | ||
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Sigmur
Poland497 Posts
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On May 12 2013 19:33 Sigmur wrote: I'm glad that IdrA didn't stop being IdrA because EG tried force him to it. Same happened to Incontrol around 2 years ago, now he is so politically correct my head hurts. That was not EG that made Incontrol political correct, that was you | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On May 12 2013 19:33 Sigmur wrote: I'm glad that IdrA didn't stop being IdrA because EG tried force him to it. Same happened to Incontrol around 2 years ago, now he is so politically correct my head hurts. "EG tried force him to it" Are you fucking serious ? If that was the case, either he wouldn't be like he is today, or he would have been fired like 2 years ago... When Sir Scoots was interviewed and asked about IdrA, he would say that they'd always let him be himself... EG never forced him to behave differently. I remember only a very few actions by Alex to calm down things sometimes, but they never forced him to stop... This time however, he crossed a line, and Alex didn't let that go. But what a line did he cross : insulting the whole community, which is the indirect source of his salary... | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On May 12 2013 19:45 Ragnarork wrote: "EG tried force him to it" Are you fucking serious ? If that was the case, either he wouldn't be like he is today, or he would have been fired like 2 years ago... When Sir Scoots was interviewed and asked about IdrA, he would say that they'd always let him be himself... EG never forced him to behave differently. I remember only a very few actions by Alex to calm down things sometimes, but they never forced him to stop... This time however, he crossed a line, and Alex didn't let that go. But what a line did he cross : insulting the whole community, which is the indirect source of his salary... he has been insulting the community the whole time, and has been getting paid because he's popular (and he is popular because...) he just made people who couldn't make the connection aware, by writing it out in plain text this upset them. | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
On May 12 2013 19:50 nkr wrote: he has been insulting the community the whole time, and has been getting paid because he's popular (and he is popular because...) he just made people who couldn't make the connection aware, by writing it out in plain text this upset them. He has not been insulting the community. Please stop to spread this genrelization after he clearly clarified it. (For those that were not able to make that distinction for themselves.) He insulted the part of the community, that he feels is bad for the rest of the community. He insulted the guys that hunt for drama, that don't want to see players win, but want to see player lose, because they relish the players frustration. | ||
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yeeshdontjudgeme
146 Posts
On May 12 2013 14:00 Canucklehead wrote: I don't think the community is that good either, but for different reasons. There was a large enough portion of this community that let a character such as idra gain as much fame and popularity as he did because they enjoy seeing bm and rage. I don't think any mature person can be a fan of such behaviour. People may think they're mature, but they're not if they're into that sort of things. I don't mind trash talking cause I watch sports and that's all in good fun, but Idra's antic always went beyond that mostly. There's a reason the gaming scene in general isn't looked favourably by the general public and it's because there's an immaturity stigma attached to it. I can't really argue that isn't really the case either. Idra may insult these people, but he fails to realize these same people gave him the popularity and fame he got in the first place. If all these people leave, which I agree with him there, then he wouldn't have been as popular as he was in the first place, which is something he fails to recognize. My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are NOT POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense. | ||
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yeeshdontjudgeme
146 Posts
On May 12 2013 12:01 Suichoy wrote: Wow, what a cop-out of an apology. A real man would know that saying "I get paid to treat you like shit, it's awesome" is indefensible but not only could Idra not bring himself to say the words "I'm sorry" ("I apologize" is just weak), he couldn't even bring himself to retract his statement. He's not a monster obviously but he's really shined a light on his childishness. No respect. So you think he should apologize to his haters--the ones that wish for him to fail. That doesn't make any sense. No community figure does that. No sports athlete does that. Why should IdrA do that? Double standards I guess. *Facepalm* | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
 ok after i did some quick catch up. Well, idra is partly right (about how sad about s class koreans getting 500viewers, about what community really want) but he oversees the fact that his fans/people who like to watch him are because people like him -_- He is over emphasizing those facts simply because he has not been performing at the top class levels. Imagine if he was playing at the very top class matches in korea now, amount of his viewers would be bigger than ever. Calling the community is a bunch of fucks to justify himself being bad is ok is just sad and stupid and ultimately get himself fired. He deserved it. No a single pity on idra, go away idra. And i used to like you. Or the whole thing is a another well plotted drama. 'Idra going back to EG!'. Please no -_- On May 12 2013 20:48 BurningSera wrote: This, so much this. idra was served a portion of the reality. In the end of the day, is it worth it on idra's part? I dont know. but it surely looks like that idra is supposed to be smarter than all this. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On May 12 2013 20:04 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: My point is that people should just let him be IdrA. Let him trash talk. Let him be who he is. It has nothing to do with them. They shouldn't witch hunt him and email sponsors to get him fired because that's what they did. They spammed the sponsors and became butthurt over a little comment and got him fired. Instead of calling for his firing because of not performing, these people decide to do it because of his personality. This is ESPORTS. This is ISN'T HOLLYWOOD. They are POLITICIANS. THEY ARE GAMERS. Firing people for what they say rather than how the play doesn't even make any sense. i dont think you have any clue of how business,sponsoring,public image and all that works. if messi starts to shit on barcas fans tommorrow showing them the finger and telling in interviews that football sucks, fans are stupid etc then he wouldnt be playing for long anymore. also people dont get butthurt over a little comment. idra has been a douchebag to basicly evryone for the last 10 years. this was just the last straw that made it unbearable to have someone like him running around with sponsors on his jacket. ofc for "lesser" teams idra is still interesting cause the views he creates are more important. but eg is big, eg doesnt need idra and doesnt need a player that just causes trouble again and again and again. idra is a DAMN lucky fella that there are so many people that accept his bullshit(for whatever reason, its not like hes backing that up with skill,style,personality or anything) and that he got so decent money out of eg. cause we all know with that attitude he wouldnt last in ANY job in the world. | ||
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Rorra
Australia1066 Posts
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Mangooze
Netherlands301 Posts
The wishing someone cancer thing I think is too much and I understand sponsors and EG had to do something about that. | ||
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yeeshdontjudgeme
146 Posts
On May 12 2013 20:22 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: i dont think you have any clue of how business,sponsoring,public image and all that works. if messi starts to shit on barcas fans tommorrow showing them the finger and telling in interviews that football sucks, fans are stupid etc then he wouldnt be playing for long anymore. also people dont get butthurt over a little comment. idra has been a douchebag to basicly evryone for the last 10 years. this was just the last straw that made it unbearable to have someone like him running around with sponsors on his jacket. ofc for "lesser" teams idra is still interesting cause the views he creates are more important. but eg is big, eg doesnt need idra and doesnt need a player that just causes trouble again and again and again. idra is a DAMN lucky fella that there are so many people that accept his bullshit(for whatever reason, its not like hes backing that up with skill,style,personality or anything) and that he got so decent money out of eg. cause we all know with that attitude he wouldnt last in ANY job in the world. Well here's the thing. None of this would even be in the sponsors attention had it not been for the community acting like pansies over the smallest shit. If you didn't notice in Real Talk, IdrA mentions how the sponsors were getting anxious because of the COMMUNITY BACKLASH. Not of the incident but of the BACKLASH it caused. The fact that the community got so pissed because of something small (if you honestly thought it was a big deal, you should reconsider your life priorities), is a sign that this community is quite frankly dying. We're sitting here scrutinizing people over what they say rather than how they play. Why the fuck does this community care about what the players say? Is this community really that pathetic now that they need to pretend like they're some "white knights" of esports. Esports is DYING because of this community. They put unnecessary attention on the littlest things that sponsors would probably never hear of had it not been of the community backlash. You guys literally give e-sports a bad name because you go apeshit over people raging in a video game. A fucking video game. You guys go apeshit over a person making a controversial joke. You go apeshit over a person making a controversial comment on a forum. Reconsider your priorities because if you honestly care about what these players say, you literally have no life. This community needs to grow the fuck up and grow some balls. Is your ideal progamer a lifeless, unemotional sellout that gives BS political responses to every question? Is that what you want. Fine so be it. But notice how in real sports, athletes actually have personality. Notice how they have the villains, trash talkers, and the good guys. Then notice this game and how the numbers are falling and the players are slowly becoming lifeless zombies. Call me when e-sports is dead. | ||
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Rioo
46 Posts
On May 12 2013 20:27 Mangooze wrote: I bet not a single person on this planet is truly offended by that "fucks" post. I doubt even anyone actually cares about the post itself... people only care about drama around it. It is all bullshit feelings. If a post is against the rules, just ban the user. The wishing someone cancer thing I think is too much and I understand sponsors and EG had to do something about that. You don't need to be offended by his behavior to find it pathetic and more suited for a 12 y.o. angry kid, not the "face of American Starcraft" to new viewers. | ||
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