EPTHope something good comes out of it, and that he does indeed pick up and gets back on the podium.
Evil Geniuses Releases Greg "IdrA" Fields - Page 196
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OrchidThief
Denmark2298 Posts
Hope something good comes out of it, and that he does indeed pick up and gets back on the podium. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
The situation certainly feeds off itself and it is a vicious cycle, but I don't give a fuck who you are, that shit will wear you down. How many times a day do you think he reads some horrible things someone says about him and does not respond? So he has moments of weakness, so he is human, and sometimes loses his patience and speaks in anger. SO WHAT? I respect Idra for being honest, for being who he is, and putting so much of his time and his life out there for all of us to see. Are we not entertained? Is esports better or worse without a villain? I'd bet a lot of the people talking shit about greg in this thread would snap in mere days if they received 1/2 the level of harassment Greg does. He is a bigger person than most of you, and not one damn person here hasn't got pissed off and said something they shouldn't have, many times. Edit, I don't take any issue with EG, they as an organization have the right to decide who is on their team, they have a right to decide that a player is not presenting the image they want to portray. It's volume and long term barrage of personal attacks people make against Idra that bugs me. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
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EvanC
Canada130 Posts
There's nothing like getting sacked and having your rent paid for a year. I don't know if this is that EG dirty money or what (joking), but they really must be far removed from the rest of the eSports industry financially. While teams are going under, they're financially supporting a player that they've fired _with cause_ (this means they do NOT owe him severance, just FYI). Like I said, I have respect for Alex Garfield for supporting his friend and ex-player, it goes to show that he is building a team the way it should be built, players first. But from IdrA's side, I can't help to think that once again he is escaping real consequences. I am really looking forward to what he has to say with JP later today, if he is remorseful, or if he will take the opportunity to shit-talk his (ex-) team and teammates now that he's off the squad. The rest of the eSports industry has it really tough, and out here in the real world (as an employer), I can promise you that if an employee told a client that he was a fuck and he gets paid to treat him like it, I would have fired him so fast it would make your head spin. But it wouldn't have gotten to that because that person would have been fired after he said to rape an industry leader with a tire iron, or called a coworker a piece of shit, or wished cancer upon a peer. Just a few thoughts. Despite everything, I do really like IdrA for some reason, and there aren't many other players that make me so excited when they play or cast. | ||
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mycro
Sweden1579 Posts
On May 11 2013 22:38 EvanC wrote: From Alex Garfield's point of view, I have nothing but respect for what he's doing. From IdrA's point of view, this is one sweet deal. There's nothing like getting sacked and having your rent paid for a year. I don't know if this is that EG dirty money or what (joking), but they really must be far removed from the rest of the eSports industry financially. While teams are going under, they're financially supporting a player that they've fired _with cause_ (this means they do NOT owe him severance, just FYI). Like I said, I have respect for Alex Garfield for supporting his friend and ex-player, it goes to show that he is building a team the way it should be built, players first. But from IdrA's side, I can't help to think that once again he is escaping real consequences. I am really looking forward to what he has to say with JP later today, if he is remorseful, or if he will take the opportunity to shit-talk his (ex-) team and teammates now that he's off the squad. The rest of the eSports industry has it really tough, and out here in the real world (as an employer), I can promise you that if an employee told a client that he was a fuck and he gets paid to treat him like it, I would have fired him so fast it would make your head spin. But it wouldn't have gotten to that because that person would have been fired after he said to rape an industry leader with a tire iron, or called a coworker a piece of shit, or wished cancer upon a peer. Just a few thoughts. Despite everything, I do really like IdrA for some reason, and there aren't many other players that make me so excited when they play or cast. Who said this? I know iNcontrol said something like EG taking care of their players blabla (in sotg). Has more info come out since? | ||
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stava88
Israel31 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8277 Posts
On May 11 2013 22:44 stava88 wrote: God i like those idiots who say it's not worthwhile having IdrA in your team, while a single TL thread about him being released got almost 800,000 views, which proves, like he said that winning has almost nothing to do with the value of a player. This thread proves more than anything that Idra might be right about the community. | ||
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Eolo
Spain276 Posts
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Myia
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
On May 11 2013 22:44 stava88 wrote: God i like those idiots who say it's not worthwhile having IdrA in your team, while a single TL thread about him being released got almost 800,000 views, which proves, like he said that winning has almost nothing to do with the value of a player. If IdrA was winning tournaments, and was the best foreigner right now, do you think EG would have booted him for this? If so, I don't know what to tell you. Winning is the most important thing. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On May 11 2013 22:44 stava88 wrote: God i like those idiots who say it's not worthwhile having IdrA in your team, while a single TL thread about him being released got almost 800,000 views, which proves, like he said that winning has almost nothing to do with the value of a player. How many of the comments are congratulating EG for getting rid of Idra, and saying they have respect/more respect for EG/Alex? It's not all one way traffic. | ||
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ChriseC
Germany440 Posts
On May 11 2013 22:54 NikonTC wrote: If IdrA was winning tournaments, and was the best foreigner right now, do you think EG would have booted him for this? If so, I don't know what to tell you. Winning is the most important thing. well why dont we kick all foreigners from their teams? | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On May 11 2013 22:44 stava88 wrote: God i like those idiots who say it's not worthwhile having IdrA in your team, while a single TL thread about him being released got almost 800,000 views, which proves, like he said that winning has almost nothing to do with the value of a player. If anything this proves there is something wrong with priorities of a lot of people. | ||
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Dekoth
United States527 Posts
On May 11 2013 22:46 Excludos wrote: This thread proves more than anything that Idra might be right about the community. He is right, and you can verify this by looking at the television shows that are the most popular. This isn't something exclusive to the SC2 community by any stretch. People like dirt and drama more than anything. My thoughts - I haven't watched Idra for a long time because frankly I no longer enjoyed watching him. I felt he crossed a line quite sometime back where he went from amusing asshole to just flat out douche. So this move by EG does not come as a surprise to me in the least and I expect even then it was a hard decision. I hope this is a reality check to him and lets him focus on what he needs to get his career back on track. I don't have a problem with him remaining an abrasive and polarizing personality, if anything I believe that is what earns him his money. However he clearly has some things going on right now that need to be dealt with. It will be interesting to see how he reacts to this and if he uses it as a springboard to become a better gamer, or as his impetus to move on with his life. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On May 11 2013 22:54 NikonTC wrote: If IdrA was winning tournaments, and was the best foreigner right now, do you think EG would have booted him for this? If so, I don't know what to tell you. Winning is the most important thing. No it's not. Publicity and sponsoring are huge reasons to buy a player in any (e-)sports team and can be quite sufficient. The big question however is, whether it is worth it to put up with a person like idra for that. After all, you have to work with that guy and not always is "any form of publicity good publicity". If he attracts 10.000 viewers but it's always the same 10.000 viewers and let's say those guys also belong to a big group of people which you can't reach with your products, he actually has a much lower value than the numbers would suggest. That's why market research is a science and not just about "idra plays and the viewer numbers go up.". It's also intersting what he stands for. And if what he stands for is "I'm an asshole, deal with it" these days, he has not a huge value to a team compared to a player who might not raise viewer numbers, but actually plays on every tournament day (due to success) and who stands for "team and sponsors". | ||
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
Could someone throw me rough numbers on how much money 800,000 page views on a TL thread generates EG in revenue? | ||
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EvanC
Canada130 Posts
On May 11 2013 22:41 mycro wrote: Who said this? I know iNcontrol said something like EG taking care of their players blabla (in sotg). Has more info come out since? Yes, iNcontrol gave some more information on the situation on his stream yesterday http://www.twitch.tv/incontroltv/b/401859913?t=211m | ||
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tropical
Germany61 Posts
What I noticed about my self is that getting angry when losing was no relief. It just made it worse. I had nights I couldn't sleep because of ladder losses. My point is, Idra is a smart guy. He notices that getting angry and communicating his anger in stupid ways doesn't make him a happier person. I remember a few month back when he was talking on his stream that he was seeing a sports-psychologist or something?! He knows it is bad for him and his friends at EG. And he obviously can't control it. His behavior has to be considered an illness. Not a severe one, but still an illness. Some of us know Idra as a professional player and the way he is for years. His rageing got better but it is still part of who he is. Releasing him from the team is the wrong choice in my opinion. Getting an attitude where you realise it's not worth thinking about what he says when he is rageing again is the way to go.Everyone on the community knows how he is and won't judge any of EG's sponsors for Idras behavior. I don't say let him do whatever he wants. All I am saying is:" Why the hell are people still taking him serioulsy when everyone knows he's saying stupid things". It's like Idra became that huge troll everyone listens to and get's pissed by what he said. I whish him the best of luck and maybe a chance to overcome his anger issues because I know it will make him a happier and better person as well as a much better pro-gamer. Good luck to you Idra! | ||
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Jealous
10356 Posts
On May 11 2013 23:06 tropical wrote: I have thought a lot about this since I read the news and saw the discussion on SotG later. When I started playing StarCraft II I had almost no experience with BW except for a few custom games I used to play whith my brother when I was 8 or so. The first time I heard from Idra was in a rage VOD of him losing to some "random" Terran on the ladder. I hated the guts out of him. But shortly after I started to look at Starcraft a little bit more competitive than I used to do and noticed my anger when losing to some cheese or just loosing at all. Took me almost half a year to get the right attitude towards the game so that losses wouldn't affect me at all anymore. What I noticed about my self is that getting angry when losing was no relief. It just made it worse. I had nights I couldn't sleep because of ladder losses. My point is, Idra is a smart guy. He notices that getting angry and communicating his anger in stupid ways doesn't make him a happier person. I remember a few month back when he was talking on his stream that he was seeing a sports-psychologist or something?! He knows it is bad for him and his friends at EG. And he obviously can't control it. His behavior has to be considered an illness. Not a severe one, but still an illness. Some of us know Idra as a professional player and the way he is for years. His rageing got better but it is still part of who he is. Releasing him from the team is the wrong choice in my opinion. Getting an attitude where you realise it's not worth thinking about what he says when he is rageing again is the way to go.Everyone on the community knows how he is and won't judge any of EG's sponsors for Idras behavior. I don't say let him do whatever he wants. All I am saying is:" Why the hell are people still taking him serioulsy when everyone knows he's saying stupid things". It's like Idra became that huge troll everyone listens to and get's pissed by what he said. I whish him the best of luck and maybe a chance to overcome his anger issues because I know it will make him a happier and better person as well as a much better pro-gamer. Good luck to you Idra! If I had a disease that made me have no feet I would not become a tightrope walker. Similarly, some people think that even if IdrA's anger is a condition (can't be a DISEASE btw), that he should not be an entertainer. | ||
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plasemeious
United States244 Posts
On May 11 2013 22:41 mycro wrote: Who said this? I know iNcontrol said something like EG taking care of their players blabla (in sotg). Has more info come out since? I'm not sure, but I think iNcontrol said EG was helping him pay his rent iNcontrol says it around 3:34.00 http://www.twitch.tv/incontroltv/b/401859913?t=211m | ||
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