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By the way, very class of EG to honour the contract and maintain his salary until the contract runs out. I know nothing about contracts in esports but I'm sure very few organisations would do the same.
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On May 10 2013 21:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
By the way, very class of EG to honour the contract and maintain his salary until the contract runs out. I know nothing about contracts in esports but I'm sure very few organisations would do the same.
Source? Or do you have any more details to that. Classy move though.
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On May 10 2013 21:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
By the way, very class of EG to honour the contract and maintain his salary until the contract runs out. I know nothing about contracts in esports but I'm sure very few organisations would do the same.
I have no idea if this is true or not but if it is it isnt because of generosity. A contract is exactly that, a contract. If they release him early they still have to pay him because both parties signed a contract to that effect. If they didnt pay him what was owed in the contract then idra would have grounds to sue.
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On May 10 2013 14:38 Lokerek wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 14:32 Whitewing wrote:On May 10 2013 14:30 Lokerek wrote:On May 10 2013 14:17 Little-Chimp wrote:On May 10 2013 13:06 TheExile19 wrote:On May 10 2013 13:03 Doodsmack wrote:
Not hard to speculate why he was kicked. The Reddit kids called the sponsors. Why else would they release him over insults only marginally worse than in the past?
Reddit is a pox on society. so what's more childish, your shifting of blame from the person who acted poorly to everyone who isn't interested in bullshit, or people not being interested in bullshit? Anyone who actually called sponsors is a real piece of shit honestly. Not liking the player, boycotting the player is one thing, but it takes someone with a dumpster ass life to actively try to make someone lose their job. Enough is enough at times. Sponsors bring money because its the audience that buys their product. If the audience is disgusted with behavior and attitude of a player who is basically funded with their money, they can and should voice it out. There should be no free protection and players should be accountable for decision they make. Contacting sponsors should be a last resort, as it doesn't just hurt the player in question, but also the team, and the industry. Sponsors don't like hearing that their investment is backfiring and getting them negative publicity. In the case of a young industry like ESPORTS, it's quite likely they'll just pull out of the entire industry rather than just pull support of one particular player. It's too volatile right now. There isn't enough money in the scene just yet for it to sustain this kind of negative pressure. Instead, try contacting the teams directly. That is just making excuses that permits that behavior. It has to be learned hard way and it's up to players to step up, show manners and help to establish Esports as not "risky" investment. Investors/Sponsors should be aware of what is going on because just as you want Esports to grow, they want to know their investment is in the right place and players they sponsor do not damage their reputation. Punishing Stephano and now Idra should serve as great example for future players what is expected of them.
Except that investing doesn't work that way. Investors are looking for solid investments, not volatile ones that might pan out in the future. When they have to start fielding complaints and spending money on dealing with customer complaints over some player they sponsor, that makes them want to have nothing to do with the industry.
Find a better way to punish the player.
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I think i know why they released him but the first game he had against Polt was prob the best idra we have seen in a long time. After that he shutdown.
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On May 10 2013 21:24 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 21:15 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 10 2013 21:13 ALPINA wrote:
I didn't follow SC2 scene at all recently. So is it because he left midgame in some recent tournament? What's the reason he left anyone please??
Been following this thread, no one posted links to the Polt game yet. The Polt game ragequit might still be related. He was BM to the community and showed bad "sportsmanship". One bad action makes the other bad action look even worse, so there isn't even "Well, yeah, he did that bad thing, but...", it's "He did that bad thing and also..."
Thanks for the link, what surprised me was this. http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_america/b/400977752?t=48m50s
There's a point in a TV show when everything goes downhill from there, called jumping the shark. Google "TV tropes."
idrA's "jump the shark" moment is when sports commentators stop trying to defend your decision and just straight up mock you outright. Add in the "fuck y'all and I get paid to do it" and I pretty much can see why he got the "Pack your bags, we're done here."
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On May 10 2013 21:35 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 21:23 prplhz wrote:On May 10 2013 21:08 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 10 2013 20:43 prplhz wrote:I don't like this at all. This single comment doesn't bring anything new, he didn't lose a fain or gain a hater that he wouldn't have lost or gained otherwise. He is simply being who he has always been. Firing him because of this single incident is dumb because it's nothing new, firing him because of all the incidents is dumb because IdrA is IdrA and they knew that when they signed him. He'd publicly been IdrA for years before EG signed him. If they didn't want him to do these kinds of things then why didn't they put it in his contract that he wasn't allowed to hurt the image of EG? Alexander Garfield saw a good deal and he jumped at it and now for some reason he wants to get out of it. It's ironic how IdrA is getting sacked for telling the truth that is: he's getting paid for telling the truth. Alexander Garfield is acting all like "I had nothing to do with this" but what IdrA says is completely true: one of the big reasons EG hired him in the first place was because of his personality and Alexander Garfield knew about his behavior all along. He wanted his cake and he wanted to eat it too, he wanted IdrA's personality but he didn't want to take any of the fallout. IdrA gave his best years to EG and now EG tries to squeeze the last drop out of him by the attention surrounding his firing. They didn't just let his contract expire, they made a big deal out of how he's getting fired for some vague and dumb reason. InControl said that EG also takes some care of their players after they let them go and I like that but I don't like this firing at all. He's a prize horse that's past its prime, idrA's Achievements in SC2He hasn't won anything in the last 3 quarters since August'12. All this while being rude to not only the opponent, the game itself and now to everyone. There was a line in the sand, he crossed it two fields ago. 1st, he failed to adapt to the new meta with its new units and dynamics. There is no longer 1 build fits all. HotS is now as dynamic as chess. You can lose any time in Heart of the Swarm if you are not prepared for it.Which is why, I believe led to idrA becoming increasingly frustrated and erratic, and led to being subsequently a liability to EG itself. Back in beta, I could already see it coming, idrA never used the new units in the Zerg arsenal, if he lost to the new units or BO based on new units, new unit compositions, he'd lose his shit and cuss everyone out. Which leads to the 2nd point, It got tiring fast, especially when the MU were pretty random and he was facing Korean pros losing and cussing them and Blizzard for imba as well as winning against obvious noobs bragging about being superior out. Let's face it, it is entertaining watching drama from a tool. But it is tiring seeing the same complaints over and over by losing to an obviously superior opponent, and equally tiring to hear the same self praise by beating an obviously inferior opponent. Needless to say, the act got tiring, which I believe leads to his continued drop on his viewership numbers. Especially when he started to say he hates the game itself, the final straw obviously for anyone trying to bring food on the table for everyone in the team including managers and coaches would be calling the fans "fucks" and being paid to do it. Add in the recent tantrum, (from second hand information) dropping a decent game vs. Polt in a high profile tournament, you have a good formula of "How to get your ass fired in 7 days." If they're firing people for being bad at StarCraft then other people on EG who would be more worthy of getting fired. They're not though, if you read the OP then IdrA's skills and achievements are not been mentioned at all. Your idea that IdrA has become a liability for EG because he's getting increasingly frustrated with the HotS metagame is hilarious. IdrA has called a lot of people a lot of things, he's always done that, it isn't something new. Being bad mannered has always been part of his "charm". ORLY? Which part of using WoL builds in HotS beta THE WHOLE TIME entertaining? Back in the final months of the beta I spent two hours watching idrA play, he banned folks from his channel for even suggesting using a new unit (roach/hydra/viper)! That's the thing about BM, it's entertaining at times, people tolerate/enjoy it when BMer is winning like a boss, like how Andre Agassi was back in his 20s and how he could get away with stunts that could have gotten a lesser tennis player banned for life.
Yes, really. I'm not an expert on the HotS metagame but I'm pretty sure Alexander Garfield didn't fire IdrA because he was afraid it would drive him insane.
There are plenty of other reasons to ban some nobody for going onto your twitch.tv channel and saying "u wud haf won if u maek roaches". I imagine it's because IdrA doesn't particularly like smart asses and it's far fetched to think that it's a symptom of HotS metagame induced lunacy.
This André Agassi analogy is also way off.
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I've really tried liking EG up until now. They do great stuff for E-sports, they have lots of talented players etc etc. But the one thing i could never get quite past was Idra. Finally letting him go has made, atleast me, a much bigger fan of your organisation.
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this guy is hurting serious esport with his childish, negative behavior! GOOD JOB EG!!
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On May 10 2013 21:58 Usernameffs wrote:
I think i know why they released him but the first game he had against Polt was prob the best idra we have seen in a long time. After that he shutdown.
Sadly, no. That isn't why they released him.
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On May 10 2013 21:56 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 21:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
By the way, very class of EG to honour the contract and maintain his salary until the contract runs out. I know nothing about contracts in esports but I'm sure very few organisations would do the same. I have no idea if this is true or not but if it is it isnt because of generosity. A contract is exactly that, a contract. If they release him early they still have to pay him because both parties signed a contract to that effect. If they didnt pay him what was owed in the contract then idra would have grounds to sue.
Pretty sure he broke his contract by saying what he did, since there will be some generic thing in there about acting properly and to respect the team/community.
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Guess idra is indeed being paid to act like a douche towards the community.... NOT ANYMORE.
Finally EG takes the necessary steps to shut him down, hopefully for good.
The negativity in this post is strong, but he deserved no less after flaming the community for so long.
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On May 10 2013 22:03 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 21:56 PassiveAce wrote:On May 10 2013 21:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
By the way, very class of EG to honour the contract and maintain his salary until the contract runs out. I know nothing about contracts in esports but I'm sure very few organisations would do the same. I have no idea if this is true or not but if it is it isnt because of generosity. A contract is exactly that, a contract. If they release him early they still have to pay him because both parties signed a contract to that effect. If they didnt pay him what was owed in the contract then idra would have grounds to sue. Pretty sure he broke his contract by saying what he did, since there will be some generic thing in there about acting properly and to respect the team/community.
Now we are speculating :p
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This is hilarious. This is what they paid him for. This is why he is popular. They pay him because he is popular and gets traffic. He yells at his fans, which they love. They fire him. Just proof there are still poor minds running the business side of this industry.
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On May 10 2013 22:04 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 22:03 Nekovivie wrote:On May 10 2013 21:56 PassiveAce wrote:On May 10 2013 21:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
By the way, very class of EG to honour the contract and maintain his salary until the contract runs out. I know nothing about contracts in esports but I'm sure very few organisations would do the same. I have no idea if this is true or not but if it is it isnt because of generosity. A contract is exactly that, a contract. If they release him early they still have to pay him because both parties signed a contract to that effect. If they didnt pay him what was owed in the contract then idra would have grounds to sue. Pretty sure he broke his contract by saying what he did, since there will be some generic thing in there about acting properly and to respect the team/community. Now we are speculating :p
There doesn't even have to be a clause. Generic labor law offers you more than enough options to terminate for unprofessional behavior.
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The thread title should really have been 'Evil Geniuses releases the Gracken'.
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On May 10 2013 21:24 Zarahtra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 21:18 ALPINA wrote:On May 10 2013 21:15 HornyHerring wrote:On May 10 2013 21:13 ALPINA wrote:
I didn't follow SC2 scene at all recently. So is it because he left midgame in some recent tournament? What's the reason he left anyone please??
There's the picture like 10 times on each page of this thread, make an effort. You mean where he said "it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome."? I thought they released him because he left from some tournament midgame? He went 4 base before lair on Daybreak and got himself into a huge lead against Polt. Polt didn't play particularly well at the start(not expecting such insane greed I suppose) as he meet more army than he expected. Eventually this lead into idra getting ultras, bls, infestors, corruptors. Polt kept sniping the 12 oclock(6th base). Idra pushed to Polts 4th(he had a 5th too, I think it was not scouted at all), but with a PF and insane patienience and positioning Polt just waited for idra to make a move(while sniping the 6th and getting viking/raven count up to counter idras air). Polt had essentially stabalised and was in very good position, but idra had 3k/3k banked and had better army supply(atleast he did a bit earlier). Idra backed off, Polt sniped his 5th and idra quit maxed out with 3k/3k after playing a terrible lategame. Edit: I mean this game probably effected their decision heavily, but I think it was rather the post and idra immaturity as of late. I mean his argument with Demuslim probably doesn't help, as atm I'd say Demu is probably EGs best player(atleast if Stephano doesn't show his skill once more).
Lets face it : He was dead in the water. Polt kept deniing his expansions, had the same amount of expansions, had the better armycomposition and already transitionied to skyterran. All idra would be doing if polt doesnt fuck up is running around over the map with a fairly immobile army clearing out drops before he would be smashed in a desperate attempt on polts middle base. The bad thing about this is, that he never went for a final engagment because if polt fucks up big time (just like heart in the suppy game) he still might have had a shot. BUt that isnt idras mindset, idra doesnt expect polt to fuck up and that is why he left. Idra has the terrible mindset (and it is not hard to get that with zerg) that once he is behind he cant catch up and he doesnt realize that his opponents are also human. Just like suppy won against heart, in 999games out of 1000 heart wins this. But yet suppy at least TRIED.
The point a lot of people are missing is that idra wasnt AHEAD or EVEN, he also wasnt behind a LITTLE, he was incredibly behind. Being 200/200 on ultra broodlord means shit if you keep getting your bases denied whereas the terran is on 5+ bases with the better composition/position and the nearly completed skyterran transition. He missed his opportunty to cursh polts middle base when he had the lead. He didnt do it and then polt just played his hand well.
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He should have made plenty of cash already, having to sail for new shores shouldn't be a negative experience for him, and is something all progamers will have to face when age weakens their performance.
It would be wise for progamers to learn a profession while gaming so they can easily hop into the next career.
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On May 10 2013 22:02 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 21:35 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 10 2013 21:23 prplhz wrote:On May 10 2013 21:08 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 10 2013 20:43 prplhz wrote:I don't like this at all. This single comment doesn't bring anything new, he didn't lose a fain or gain a hater that he wouldn't have lost or gained otherwise. He is simply being who he has always been. Firing him because of this single incident is dumb because it's nothing new, firing him because of all the incidents is dumb because IdrA is IdrA and they knew that when they signed him. He'd publicly been IdrA for years before EG signed him. If they didn't want him to do these kinds of things then why didn't they put it in his contract that he wasn't allowed to hurt the image of EG? Alexander Garfield saw a good deal and he jumped at it and now for some reason he wants to get out of it. It's ironic how IdrA is getting sacked for telling the truth that is: he's getting paid for telling the truth. Alexander Garfield is acting all like "I had nothing to do with this" but what IdrA says is completely true: one of the big reasons EG hired him in the first place was because of his personality and Alexander Garfield knew about his behavior all along. He wanted his cake and he wanted to eat it too, he wanted IdrA's personality but he didn't want to take any of the fallout. IdrA gave his best years to EG and now EG tries to squeeze the last drop out of him by the attention surrounding his firing. They didn't just let his contract expire, they made a big deal out of how he's getting fired for some vague and dumb reason. InControl said that EG also takes some care of their players after they let them go and I like that but I don't like this firing at all. He's a prize horse that's past its prime, idrA's Achievements in SC2He hasn't won anything in the last 3 quarters since August'12. All this while being rude to not only the opponent, the game itself and now to everyone. There was a line in the sand, he crossed it two fields ago. 1st, he failed to adapt to the new meta with its new units and dynamics. There is no longer 1 build fits all. HotS is now as dynamic as chess. You can lose any time in Heart of the Swarm if you are not prepared for it.Which is why, I believe led to idrA becoming increasingly frustrated and erratic, and led to being subsequently a liability to EG itself. Back in beta, I could already see it coming, idrA never used the new units in the Zerg arsenal, if he lost to the new units or BO based on new units, new unit compositions, he'd lose his shit and cuss everyone out. Which leads to the 2nd point, It got tiring fast, especially when the MU were pretty random and he was facing Korean pros losing and cussing them and Blizzard for imba as well as winning against obvious noobs bragging about being superior out. Let's face it, it is entertaining watching drama from a tool. But it is tiring seeing the same complaints over and over by losing to an obviously superior opponent, and equally tiring to hear the same self praise by beating an obviously inferior opponent. Needless to say, the act got tiring, which I believe leads to his continued drop on his viewership numbers. Especially when he started to say he hates the game itself, the final straw obviously for anyone trying to bring food on the table for everyone in the team including managers and coaches would be calling the fans "fucks" and being paid to do it. Add in the recent tantrum, (from second hand information) dropping a decent game vs. Polt in a high profile tournament, you have a good formula of "How to get your ass fired in 7 days." If they're firing people for being bad at StarCraft then other people on EG who would be more worthy of getting fired. They're not though, if you read the OP then IdrA's skills and achievements are not been mentioned at all. Your idea that IdrA has become a liability for EG because he's getting increasingly frustrated with the HotS metagame is hilarious. IdrA has called a lot of people a lot of things, he's always done that, it isn't something new. Being bad mannered has always been part of his "charm". ORLY? Which part of using WoL builds in HotS beta THE WHOLE TIME entertaining? Back in the final months of the beta I spent two hours watching idrA play, he banned folks from his channel for even suggesting using a new unit (roach/hydra/viper)! That's the thing about BM, it's entertaining at times, people tolerate/enjoy it when BMer is winning like a boss, like how Andre Agassi was back in his 20s and how he could get away with stunts that could have gotten a lesser tennis player banned for life. Yes, really. I'm not an expert on the HotS metagame but I'm pretty sure Alexander Garfield didn't fire IdrA because he was afraid it would drive him insane. There are plenty of other reasons to ban some nobody for going onto your twitch.tv channel and saying "u wud haf won if u maek roaches". I imagine it's because IdrA doesn't particularly like smart asses and it's far fetched to think that it's a symptom of HotS metagame induced lunacy. This André Agassi analogy is also way off.
IdrA can ban anyone he likes, but when I was watching his channel he was losing to unit compositions that would have won him the game, one game he had 200/200 roach/hydra army vs. the Korean (Korean characters in name) P's 160/200 army with 4 colossi + 2/2/0 gateway deathball, just 4 vipers would have won him that game. In the end, he gg'd out after having his army wiped out by awesome colossi kiting micro by his opponent.
Don't get me wrong, back in his prime, I loved him for the smartass punk that he was. Lately he was sounding like a drunken hasbeen.
I'm curious, how so is Andre Agassi analogy way off?
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