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On May 10 2013 22:25 Zarahtra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 22:08 Sokrates wrote:On May 10 2013 21:24 Zarahtra wrote:On May 10 2013 21:18 ALPINA wrote:On May 10 2013 21:15 HornyHerring wrote:On May 10 2013 21:13 ALPINA wrote:
I didn't follow SC2 scene at all recently. So is it because he left midgame in some recent tournament? What's the reason he left anyone please??
There's the picture like 10 times on each page of this thread, make an effort. You mean where he said "it just so happens i get paid to treat you like it. it's fucking awesome."? I thought they released him because he left from some tournament midgame? He went 4 base before lair on Daybreak and got himself into a huge lead against Polt. Polt didn't play particularly well at the start(not expecting such insane greed I suppose) as he meet more army than he expected. Eventually this lead into idra getting ultras, bls, infestors, corruptors. Polt kept sniping the 12 oclock(6th base). Idra pushed to Polts 4th(he had a 5th too, I think it was not scouted at all), but with a PF and insane patienience and positioning Polt just waited for idra to make a move(while sniping the 6th and getting viking/raven count up to counter idras air). Polt had essentially stabalised and was in very good position, but idra had 3k/3k banked and had better army supply(atleast he did a bit earlier). Idra backed off, Polt sniped his 5th and idra quit maxed out with 3k/3k after playing a terrible lategame. Edit: I mean this game probably effected their decision heavily, but I think it was rather the post and idra immaturity as of late. I mean his argument with Demuslim probably doesn't help, as atm I'd say Demu is probably EGs best player(atleast if Stephano doesn't show his skill once more). Lets face it : He was dead in the water. Polt kept deniing his expansions, had the same amount of expansions, had the better armycomposition and already transitionied to skyterran. All idra would be doing if polt doesnt fuck up is running around over the map with a fairly immobile army clearing out drops before he would be smashed in a desperate attempt on polts middle base. The bad thing about this is, that he never went for a final engagment because if polt fucks up big time (just like heart in the suppy game) he still might have had a shot. BUt that isnt idras mindset, idra doesnt expect polt to fuck up and that is why he left. Idra has the terrible mindset (and it is not hard to get that with zerg) that once he is behind he cant catch up and he doesnt realize that his opponents are also human. Just like suppy won against heart, in 999games out of 1000 heart wins this. But yet suppy at least TRIED. The point a lot of people are missing is that idra wasnt AHEAD or EVEN, he also wasnt behind a LITTLE, he was incredibly behind. Being 200/200 on ultra broodlord means shit if you keep getting your bases denied whereas the terran is on 5+ bases with the better composition/position and the nearly completed skyterran transition. He missed his opportunty to cursh polts middle base when he had the lead. He didnt do it and then polt just played his hand well. He was not "Dead in the water". I'm actually quite confused by this post. You open it up by saying(paraphrasing) "There was no chance to win for idra", then go on to say "Well Suppy was far behind yet still made a comeback"(Suppy was actually a lot further behind than Idra, though admittedly Heart is also a lot worse player than Polt) and then end off with "200/200 zerg army doesn't matter". It's full of contradictions. Idra was far behind, he had a very strong army, he made a ton of mistakes in the lategame that got him from being very far ahead to behing far behind. If there is one army that can make a comeback its infestor BL army. He needed a good engagement and quite frankly for Polt to make a mistake. Rather than playing it out, he decided to take a 100% chance of a loss rather than lets say 85% chance of a loss. I really don't understand people that defend him for leaving that game. I do agree he was behind, but when you have a full army(even higher resource army) and a bank, you atleast play it out. People often preemptively GG, but that is usually just when they have no army and the opponent is moving in for the kill, or a toss gets DTs into your base and you have no detection even close to being ready. Everything else is just ruining the viewing experience for people and not representing your team/sponsors well at all. Tbh I wouldn't even have minded WCS fining him for that.
Not it is not contradictory. All i m saying is that he should have given it a shot, but i m also saying that he wasnt even or ahead as a lot of people belive. I m also trying to explain his mindset (or at least i think what his mindset was). Mb he was trying to make a statement like "look i played so well all this game and now i m sitting here maxed on a expensive shitarmy and 3k/3k bank and i ll lose because terran is op, i dont even have to play it out to see the result."
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On May 10 2013 22:22 thenanox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 22:06 tomatriedes wrote:
The thread title should really have been 'Evil Geniuses releases the Gracken'. you won sir
Some other guy said that on one of the first few pages ):
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Best of luck to Idra. Starcraft wouldnt be the same without him, but I would understand if he moved on.
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On May 10 2013 22:11 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 22:02 prplhz wrote:On May 10 2013 21:35 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 10 2013 21:23 prplhz wrote:On May 10 2013 21:08 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 10 2013 20:43 prplhz wrote:I don't like this at all. This single comment doesn't bring anything new, he didn't lose a fain or gain a hater that he wouldn't have lost or gained otherwise. He is simply being who he has always been. Firing him because of this single incident is dumb because it's nothing new, firing him because of all the incidents is dumb because IdrA is IdrA and they knew that when they signed him. He'd publicly been IdrA for years before EG signed him. If they didn't want him to do these kinds of things then why didn't they put it in his contract that he wasn't allowed to hurt the image of EG? Alexander Garfield saw a good deal and he jumped at it and now for some reason he wants to get out of it. It's ironic how IdrA is getting sacked for telling the truth that is: he's getting paid for telling the truth. Alexander Garfield is acting all like "I had nothing to do with this" but what IdrA says is completely true: one of the big reasons EG hired him in the first place was because of his personality and Alexander Garfield knew about his behavior all along. He wanted his cake and he wanted to eat it too, he wanted IdrA's personality but he didn't want to take any of the fallout. IdrA gave his best years to EG and now EG tries to squeeze the last drop out of him by the attention surrounding his firing. They didn't just let his contract expire, they made a big deal out of how he's getting fired for some vague and dumb reason. InControl said that EG also takes some care of their players after they let them go and I like that but I don't like this firing at all. He's a prize horse that's past its prime, idrA's Achievements in SC2He hasn't won anything in the last 3 quarters since August'12. All this while being rude to not only the opponent, the game itself and now to everyone. There was a line in the sand, he crossed it two fields ago. 1st, he failed to adapt to the new meta with its new units and dynamics. There is no longer 1 build fits all. HotS is now as dynamic as chess. You can lose any time in Heart of the Swarm if you are not prepared for it.Which is why, I believe led to idrA becoming increasingly frustrated and erratic, and led to being subsequently a liability to EG itself. Back in beta, I could already see it coming, idrA never used the new units in the Zerg arsenal, if he lost to the new units or BO based on new units, new unit compositions, he'd lose his shit and cuss everyone out. Which leads to the 2nd point, It got tiring fast, especially when the MU were pretty random and he was facing Korean pros losing and cussing them and Blizzard for imba as well as winning against obvious noobs bragging about being superior out. Let's face it, it is entertaining watching drama from a tool. But it is tiring seeing the same complaints over and over by losing to an obviously superior opponent, and equally tiring to hear the same self praise by beating an obviously inferior opponent. Needless to say, the act got tiring, which I believe leads to his continued drop on his viewership numbers. Especially when he started to say he hates the game itself, the final straw obviously for anyone trying to bring food on the table for everyone in the team including managers and coaches would be calling the fans "fucks" and being paid to do it. Add in the recent tantrum, (from second hand information) dropping a decent game vs. Polt in a high profile tournament, you have a good formula of "How to get your ass fired in 7 days." If they're firing people for being bad at StarCraft then other people on EG who would be more worthy of getting fired. They're not though, if you read the OP then IdrA's skills and achievements are not been mentioned at all. Your idea that IdrA has become a liability for EG because he's getting increasingly frustrated with the HotS metagame is hilarious. IdrA has called a lot of people a lot of things, he's always done that, it isn't something new. Being bad mannered has always been part of his "charm". ORLY? Which part of using WoL builds in HotS beta THE WHOLE TIME entertaining? Back in the final months of the beta I spent two hours watching idrA play, he banned folks from his channel for even suggesting using a new unit (roach/hydra/viper)! That's the thing about BM, it's entertaining at times, people tolerate/enjoy it when BMer is winning like a boss, like how Andre Agassi was back in his 20s and how he could get away with stunts that could have gotten a lesser tennis player banned for life. Yes, really. I'm not an expert on the HotS metagame but I'm pretty sure Alexander Garfield didn't fire IdrA because he was afraid it would drive him insane. There are plenty of other reasons to ban some nobody for going onto your twitch.tv channel and saying "u wud haf won if u maek roaches". I imagine it's because IdrA doesn't particularly like smart asses and it's far fetched to think that it's a symptom of HotS metagame induced lunacy. This André Agassi analogy is also way off. IdrA can ban anyone he likes, but when I was watching his channel he was losing to unit compositions that would have won him the game, one game he had 200/200 roach/hydra army vs. the Korean (Korean characters in name) P's 160/200 army with 4 colossi + 2/2/0 gateway deathball, just 4 vipers would have won him that game. In the end, he gg'd out after having his army wiped out by awesome colossi kiting micro by his opponent. Don't get me wrong, back in his prime, I loved him for the smartass punk that he was. Lately he was sounding like a drunken hasbeen. I'm curious, how so is Andre Agassi analogy way off?
I didn't even read the part about how IdrA could have played better because it's absolutely not relevant whether or not you're right or not (and I doubt that you are though it's probably not that simple). IdrA is way better at this game and thought way longer and way harder about it than anyone giving advice on his stream. He's really good at StarCraft and he doesn't like it when people way worse than him give him advice. Sounds more like pride than lunacy to me.
The Andre Agassi analogy is off because it's another sport entirely and I'm not sure that's how it went down at all with him.
What I hear you say is "It's funny when people are cheeky if they're on top of their game, otherwise I don't like it and IdrA isn't on top of his game anymore". I guess that's a matter of taste and I'm not really interested in discussing it. I was talking about why it was unfair to fire IdrA for doing what he's been hired to do and how Alexander Garfield seemed like he didn't want to take any responsibility for it. If Alexander Garfield is firing IdrA because he doesn't think his BM is cool now that he's not in the GSL anymore then he should come out and say that.
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Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows
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On May 10 2013 22:16 Mentos wrote:
idra has always been mediocre when compared to true pro-gamers and relied on his bad manners to get noticed.
To be honest I never understood why he gained so much attention, there are far more deserving players you should donate your hard earned cash to, not someone who basically openly takes a dump on your heads.
Time for a reality check people, just because someone knows how to be rude, doesn't mean that he has a unique personality, it's actually the exact opposite.
well that's a simple question, sc2 has no shortage of good players, but lacks a serious bad guy.
from what I have seen idra is full of shit ingame, but seldom takes it out of the game without someone provoking him first.
the thing is not everyone can be rude and pull it off at the same time. only 2 personalities come to my mind, that's FBH and idra. that's why they automatically become popular. it's more style than substance but hey, it worked for wrestling.
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This comment from reddit thread almost made me choke on my dinner. And I would really laugh my ass off it would happen.
Idra might get a personal sponsor you never know [IBM] IdrA
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There was a time when I actually enjoyed his BM. It was sorta kinda fun to follow the "bad boy of SC2".
But it didn't really take long to realize how one-dimensional and shallow he really is. He wasn't smart or amusing with his BM, he seemed merely to be a genuinely unlikeable person with some serious anger issues. I truly think this was a good decision for Greg both as a person as well as a Starcraft player - he needs to grow the f up. Not that it's bloody likely, especially with still-existing legions of fans continually boosting his hyperinflated ego but.. one can at least hope. Cause I'm pretty sure there's some great talent there, if only it wasn't choked by all that childish personality.
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I am shocked to see IdrA go like this... 
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On May 10 2013 22:26 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 22:16 Mentos wrote:
idra has always been mediocre when compared to true pro-gamers and relied on his bad manners to get noticed.
To be honest I never understood why he gained so much attention, there are far more deserving players you should donate your hard earned cash to, not someone who basically openly takes a dump on your heads.
Time for a reality check people, just because someone knows how to be rude, doesn't mean that he has a unique personality, it's actually the exact opposite. I can identify with this post. In my experience at least, people who are truly gentle and kind are much rarer than people who are asshats.
He gained a lot of attention because he was a very good player with a very polarizing personality. You can't deny his past successes with SC2 and BW. There is no doubt that he has talent behind him, but his mental game has been struggling since the BW days.
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not gonna read 100+ pages to find out, so can someone tell me, what did idra do to get kicked out of eg?
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On May 10 2013 22:37 FeUerFlieGe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 22:26 Alpino wrote:On May 10 2013 22:16 Mentos wrote:
idra has always been mediocre when compared to true pro-gamers and relied on his bad manners to get noticed.
To be honest I never understood why he gained so much attention, there are far more deserving players you should donate your hard earned cash to, not someone who basically openly takes a dump on your heads.
Time for a reality check people, just because someone knows how to be rude, doesn't mean that he has a unique personality, it's actually the exact opposite. I can identify with this post. In my experience at least, people who are truly gentle and kind are much rarer than people who are asshats. He gained a lot of attention because he was a very good player with a very polarizing personality. You can't deny his past successes with SC2 and BW. There is no doubt that he has talent behind him, but his mental game has been struggling since the BW days.
Yeah, I think you wanted to quote the person I quoted, but yeah, you're right, in my post I was talking about the last paragraph of the post I quoted.
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On May 10 2013 22:32 TheProphet_ wrote:
Hey for all we know maybe Idra himself realized hes been talking balooney all along and loses because he is far far away from the intelligence / superior skill of his opponents
maybe he realized he has no future playing sc2 but is too arrogant / has talked too much to just admit it so he set this up with alex to dismiss him so it doesnt look like he wanted to quit but was kinda forced to
or maybe not but who knows
No way. C'mon now just look at his ladder rank. Top 3 ranked zerg on NA. Idra played very well in the first game vs polt. But, this is a game of will power, not just skill. If every time a game doesn't go perfect you quit, you're going to have a hard time making a career. It's fine to quit games in practice, but in a tournament it just proves there are some major psychological issues. Back this up with his behavior and it's more obvious.
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On May 10 2013 22:36 baba44713 wrote:
There was a time when I actually enjoyed his BM. It was sorta kinda fun to follow the "bad boy of SC2".
But it didn't really take long to realize how one-dimensional and shallow he really is. He wasn't smart or amusing with his BM, he seemed merely to be a genuinely unlikeable person with some serious anger issues. I truly think this was a good decision for Greg both as a person as well as a Starcraft player - he needs to grow the f up. Not that it's bloody likely, especially with still-existing legions of fans continually boosting his hyperinflated ego but.. one can at least hope. Cause I'm pretty sure there's some great talent there, if only it wasn't choked by all that childish personality.
As a fan of Idra, I hope he grows up too, I think most of his fans do. I'd venture to say that a lot of his fans enjoy his playstyle, honesty and outlook on the game, rather than his BM. We don't like when he leaves early either.
One of the things that keeps him as my favorite player is that so many people don't think he is a good player. They are blinded by their disdain of him. And that makes it all the more sweet when he does things like beats Roro and Stephano at WCS. Idra draws some much attention that people zero in on every loss, yet his results mirror the results of many great players. He doesn't win everything, no one does, and he goes through slumps.
You can dislike a player, yet they can still be an amazing player.
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On May 10 2013 22:30 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 22:11 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 10 2013 22:02 prplhz wrote:On May 10 2013 21:35 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 10 2013 21:23 prplhz wrote:On May 10 2013 21:08 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 10 2013 20:43 prplhz wrote:I don't like this at all. This single comment doesn't bring anything new, he didn't lose a fain or gain a hater that he wouldn't have lost or gained otherwise. He is simply being who he has always been. Firing him because of this single incident is dumb because it's nothing new, firing him because of all the incidents is dumb because IdrA is IdrA and they knew that when they signed him. He'd publicly been IdrA for years before EG signed him. If they didn't want him to do these kinds of things then why didn't they put it in his contract that he wasn't allowed to hurt the image of EG? Alexander Garfield saw a good deal and he jumped at it and now for some reason he wants to get out of it. It's ironic how IdrA is getting sacked for telling the truth that is: he's getting paid for telling the truth. Alexander Garfield is acting all like "I had nothing to do with this" but what IdrA says is completely true: one of the big reasons EG hired him in the first place was because of his personality and Alexander Garfield knew about his behavior all along. He wanted his cake and he wanted to eat it too, he wanted IdrA's personality but he didn't want to take any of the fallout. IdrA gave his best years to EG and now EG tries to squeeze the last drop out of him by the attention surrounding his firing. They didn't just let his contract expire, they made a big deal out of how he's getting fired for some vague and dumb reason. InControl said that EG also takes some care of their players after they let them go and I like that but I don't like this firing at all. He's a prize horse that's past its prime, idrA's Achievements in SC2He hasn't won anything in the last 3 quarters since August'12. All this while being rude to not only the opponent, the game itself and now to everyone. There was a line in the sand, he crossed it two fields ago. 1st, he failed to adapt to the new meta with its new units and dynamics. There is no longer 1 build fits all. HotS is now as dynamic as chess. You can lose any time in Heart of the Swarm if you are not prepared for it.Which is why, I believe led to idrA becoming increasingly frustrated and erratic, and led to being subsequently a liability to EG itself. Back in beta, I could already see it coming, idrA never used the new units in the Zerg arsenal, if he lost to the new units or BO based on new units, new unit compositions, he'd lose his shit and cuss everyone out. Which leads to the 2nd point, It got tiring fast, especially when the MU were pretty random and he was facing Korean pros losing and cussing them and Blizzard for imba as well as winning against obvious noobs bragging about being superior out. Let's face it, it is entertaining watching drama from a tool. But it is tiring seeing the same complaints over and over by losing to an obviously superior opponent, and equally tiring to hear the same self praise by beating an obviously inferior opponent. Needless to say, the act got tiring, which I believe leads to his continued drop on his viewership numbers. Especially when he started to say he hates the game itself, the final straw obviously for anyone trying to bring food on the table for everyone in the team including managers and coaches would be calling the fans "fucks" and being paid to do it. Add in the recent tantrum, (from second hand information) dropping a decent game vs. Polt in a high profile tournament, you have a good formula of "How to get your ass fired in 7 days." If they're firing people for being bad at StarCraft then other people on EG who would be more worthy of getting fired. They're not though, if you read the OP then IdrA's skills and achievements are not been mentioned at all. Your idea that IdrA has become a liability for EG because he's getting increasingly frustrated with the HotS metagame is hilarious. IdrA has called a lot of people a lot of things, he's always done that, it isn't something new. Being bad mannered has always been part of his "charm". ORLY? Which part of using WoL builds in HotS beta THE WHOLE TIME entertaining? Back in the final months of the beta I spent two hours watching idrA play, he banned folks from his channel for even suggesting using a new unit (roach/hydra/viper)! That's the thing about BM, it's entertaining at times, people tolerate/enjoy it when BMer is winning like a boss, like how Andre Agassi was back in his 20s and how he could get away with stunts that could have gotten a lesser tennis player banned for life. Yes, really. I'm not an expert on the HotS metagame but I'm pretty sure Alexander Garfield didn't fire IdrA because he was afraid it would drive him insane. There are plenty of other reasons to ban some nobody for going onto your twitch.tv channel and saying "u wud haf won if u maek roaches". I imagine it's because IdrA doesn't particularly like smart asses and it's far fetched to think that it's a symptom of HotS metagame induced lunacy. This André Agassi analogy is also way off. IdrA can ban anyone he likes, but when I was watching his channel he was losing to unit compositions that would have won him the game, one game he had 200/200 roach/hydra army vs. the Korean (Korean characters in name) P's 160/200 army with 4 colossi + 2/2/0 gateway deathball, just 4 vipers would have won him that game. In the end, he gg'd out after having his army wiped out by awesome colossi kiting micro by his opponent. Don't get me wrong, back in his prime, I loved him for the smartass punk that he was. Lately he was sounding like a drunken hasbeen. I'm curious, how so is Andre Agassi analogy way off? I didn't even read the part about how IdrA could have played better because it's absolutely not relevant whether or not you're right or not (and I doubt that you are though it's probably not that simple). IdrA is way better at this game and thought way longer and way harder about it than anyone giving advice on his stream. He's really good at StarCraft and he doesn't like it when people way worse than him give him advice. Sounds more like pride than lunacy to me. The Andre Agassi analogy is off because it's another sport entirely and I'm not sure that's how it went down at all with him. What I hear you say is "It's funny when people are cheeky if they're on top of their game, otherwise I don't like it and IdrA isn't on top of his game anymore". I guess that's a matter of taste and I'm not really interested in discussing it. I was talking about why it was unfair to fire IdrA for doing what he's been hired to do and how Alexander Garfield seemed like he didn't want to take any responsibility for it. If Alexander Garfield is firing IdrA because he doesn't think his BM is cool now that he's not in the GSL anymore then he should come out and say that.
1 - Very doubtfull it has only been one incident.
2 - He is not paid to downgrade EG's name, speak about their business practices, or how they build their brand.
3 - IdrA has been given chances, they got a sport psychologist for him in the past, they had tried to find him other hobbies to do that would be helpful for his mindset. Nothing worked or made a lasting effect.
Be realistic. This is no a damage control overreaction. It's not the first time that the community has set their eyes and fingers on Idra and EG. And about being cheeky, it's not a matter of taste, it's just a fact that you are at the fucking top, you know, and everybody knows it, so yes, you can get away with it easier, since you are just a talented arrogant prick. If you are at the bottom and you still speak like you are the fucking best, people will laugh at you because you are delusional arrogant dumbfuck.
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Saw it live on SOTG, was shocked. Still hard to believe.
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On May 10 2013 22:39 Art_of_Kill wrote:
not gonna read 100+ pages to find out, so can someone tell me, what did idra do to get kicked out of eg?
Basically told the community that they are a complete bunch of wankers and deserved to be bm'd by him,
glad he got booted of EG wanker didn't deserve a 5/6 figure salary for being a complete ass, good move by EG.
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On May 10 2013 22:39 Art_of_Kill wrote:
not gonna read 100+ pages to find out, so can someone tell me, what did idra do to get kicked out of eg?
Number of things. He said to caposh that he wished him cancer. Wrote that david kim should be raped by an tire iron. Posted on a forum that his fans are fucks. Refused to play his teammate Demuslim for weeks plus something we maybe dont know about.
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On May 10 2013 22:44 Fleuria wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 22:39 Art_of_Kill wrote:
not gonna read 100+ pages to find out, so can someone tell me, what did idra do to get kicked out of eg? Basically told the community that they are a complete bunch of wankers and deserved to be bm'd by him, glad he got booted of EG wanker didn't deserve a 5/6 figure salary for being a complete ass, good move by EG.
Most of the community are a bunch of 'wankers' so I see less of a problem then probably most of the community : P
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On May 10 2013 22:35 Simsons2 wrote:This comment from reddit thread almost made me choke on my dinner. And I would really laugh my ass off it would happen.
Oh My God!
Please! I want this to happen now, so badly! :D
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