EPTI understand why his fans would rage but it was kinda expected. Having no results and playing platinum level for the last 1-2 years while keeping that cocky douche personality doesn't really go well in the long run.
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I understand why his fans would rage but it was kinda expected. Having no results and playing platinum level for the last 1-2 years while keeping that cocky douche personality doesn't really go well in the long run. | ||
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SCST
Mexico1609 Posts
On May 10 2013 16:51 Osmoses wrote: I think Idra was completely on the mark, this is an entertainment industry, and I would not have spent a second watching his (or Destiny's) stream if they weren't interesting people. Same deal with LoL, which is the reason Dyrus' is one of the most popular streams. Yes, calling your community/fans "a bunch of fucks" and sheep is a bulls-eye! Lol I'm not sure if you're trying to justify Idra's behavior and/or recent statement or you're just commenting on the state of the e-sports scene in general. Either way, Idra's behavior is obviously not good for the community and we are finally stamping it out. First Destiny, now Idra. It's a big boy industry now. Big money is coming the way of e-sports. No more time for this kind of cheap-bottom-feeder entertainment that attracts only a small group of fanatics and a small group of trolls. The casual viewer is clearly tired of this crap, if this thread is any indication. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On May 10 2013 16:42 Infernal_dream wrote: Since when has idra valued skill? Anytime he lost it was always to some "no skill noob cheese rush" or because whatever unit was imbalanced at the time. He never actually lost and said "well I fucked this up" or "I could've done this better." It was always the games fault. Any attack before 20 minutes was considered a cheese by him and therefore not the real game. If he valued skill he would better himself, not blame others for beating him. You know very little about Idra then. He has always cared about skill and always thought that skill should have complete correlation with winning. There's a reason why you don't ever see him cheese very seriously. The game IS at fault, but he is as well, so he never even bothered to give a shit. SC2 is far from perfect. It ain't no Chess. I think Innovation (and actually quite a few other players) were way more skilled than Sniper was, but Sniper won a GSL. Will we ever see Sniper win anything ever again? I doubt it... Anyway, slightly off-topic, but relevant enough. | ||
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matt93
Australia32 Posts
On May 10 2013 16:48 kubiks wrote: If Innovation streamed, I would watch the hell out of his stream, just to see how does he ever loose a TvZ (and copy the zerg obviously  ).And historically top tier korean streaming always have a lot of views, but they don't stream often not entirely true, Leenock and hyun and a few other koreans streamed a lot averaging between 300-500 viewers before they eventually got more(I still haven't seen leenock get more than 1500 on twitch). They spent a long time without viewers even though their play was superior,to people with 4k + viewers. Byun's probably the most popular non-foreign team korean streamer I've seen - on twitch at least, not sure about other platforms. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On May 10 2013 16:44 Carl_Sagan wrote: Not going to lie, I've been waiting years to see Idra go up in flames. Bad attitude, bad manner, bad player. When your only selling point is you're so obnoxious that the ensuing drama brings in views, what the heck are you really contributing to the community other than hatred? Good riddance. Then you really haven't been waiting too mang years. He's been very significant, both as a fucking top BW player and as a top NA WoL player for a long time. It was only this past year and a half - two years that he hasn't found too much success (although he never completely stopped showing results). I expected this of other players for a long time, but not if IdrA. Unless IdrA wanted to leave, I don't know why EG let him go. He's still useful, and unless he decided his time in eSports has come and gone, he can still show decent results in the WCS Challenger division (which is more than most NA players can say). | ||
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Eyzo
Canada12 Posts
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
it just proves how much his market value is. quite the stupid thing he did, but well deserved. you have to draw a line. EG will be fine, they have Demuslim and Huk. | ||
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will216
United States185 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 10 2013 16:44 Valikyr wrote: Because he's still very popular. He wouldn't be hired for his skill but for his popularity though. I don't understand why people keep saying he's not good anymore. Sure his skill alone won't net him the big bucks but he's still one of the best players in NA and if you add his fairly big following there's plenty of incentive for a team to pick him up. At the end of the day what happens next will be entirely up to Idra, what he wants to do. Does he say screw this and go back to school, does he buckle down and strive to regain his former glory, does he chase a personal sponsorship so he can sit and stream all day or whatever. Who the fuck knows. People act like he's just killed a kitten or something. | ||
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Jindo
United States1305 Posts
On May 10 2013 16:43 mikethenewman wrote: 90% of these comments are totally worthless wastes of a post: wow. holy shit. wait what? wow. deserved, but wow. cant believe it. reading 4 pages of posts and its all just one sentence garbage, how about some context and information and links people, sure ill go watch SoTG later to catch up but you people are just worthless with such comments, a community of degenerates.... where are the posts on analysis and review and reflections??? I understand your rage so here: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1e13kh/idra_officially_released_from_eg/ | ||
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
On May 10 2013 16:58 s.a.y wrote: 126 pages in few hours, amazing. it just proves how much his market value is. quite the stupid thing he did, but well deserved. you have to draw a line. EG will be fine, they have Demuslim and Huk. Is Jaedong worth mentioning? Winning 3 OSLs, 2MSLs, a WCG Nationals and a GSI. I think he might have a little bit of star power left in him. What do you gather?!? | ||
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Autotroph
United Kingdom940 Posts
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
On May 10 2013 16:58 s.a.y wrote: 126 pages in few hours, amazing. it just proves how much his market value is. quite the stupid thing he did, but well deserved. you have to draw a line. EG will be fine, they have Demuslim and Huk. and an FE Here To Stay | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
As a community member I never took it serious, to me that was just the typical dark sense of humor he has. | ||
bonse
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SCST
Mexico1609 Posts
On May 10 2013 17:02 Autotroph wrote: Hate seeing people taking falls for voicing their opinion. Fucking money man. Suits try and sterilise all this and mold people into 'personalities' and 'forge brand identities' - which in idra's case backfired when he was too vitriolic for even his 'bad boy' box. Seeing Incontrol that choked up about his best friend being gkicked while still having to toe the party line is fucking sad man. 'trying to work on saying it a little less candidly'. I know I'll catch flak with people saying 'its a business yadda yadda yadda' but I think money poisons everything and I for one find it very sad indeed watching a man having to choose between saying what he thinks and doing what he's told. What is this fascination with saying that "EG molded Idra into what he is"? You're really mad at the situation and just trying target someone/some entity to vent your rage? There is absolutely zero evidence to support your wild statement. And even more importantly, everyone knows that Idra has always been like this, since way before EG. LoL comeon man. | ||
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sfbaydave
United States32 Posts
When a player is down, people tend to forget all the good he has done. Just like Nestea, as soon as a player starts losing, its "they suck." Idra was a legendary foreigner in BW. I read articles about him, way before SC2 came out. I only started to get interested in Starcraft because I heard of this American kid playing with the big boys in Korea. At the beginning of SC2 alot of us zergs really looked up to Idra. We related to his "macro" style and he revolutionized the hatch first build in ZvT. Sure there were better Zergs streaming. But try to watch Stephano's stream for 8 hours and you'll get bored. Idra's stream has always been entertaining and when he commentates, I learn more in 8 hours than I did playing for over a year. I personally will miss Idra on EG and think they made a huge mistake. He was probably the most influencial person in SC2, outside of Korea, and he has done more for the popularity of SC2 than 99% of people out there. | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On May 10 2013 16:56 Blargh wrote: You know very little about Idra then. He has always cared about skill and always thought that skill should have complete correlation with winning. There's a reason why you don't ever see him cheese very seriously. The game IS at fault, but he is as well, so he never even bothered to give a shit. SC2 is far from perfect. It ain't no Chess. I think Innovation (and actually quite a few other players) were way more skilled than Sniper was, but Sniper won a GSL. Will we ever see Sniper win anything ever again? I doubt it... Anyway, slightly off-topic, but relevant enough. Cheese is part of the game. And the game doesn't have to be perfect for you to play it or to not blame the game every time you lose. Now I agree I probably worded it a little badly because this wasn't always the case. Mostly on him laddering though you never ever saw him explaining things he could do better to have won a game. No the game isn't perfect, neither was BW, and this game never will be. However people still better themselves and they find ways to counter builds. There is no perfect build for any race. There is nothing that is unstoppable. So the game is not at fault. Him losing to cheese is his own fault. Him losing to "stupid imba" units is his own fault. There's plenty of other streams out there that lose then look at the replay to find things they could've done better. He just simply blames the game and doesn't find a way to stop that particular build. His builds have been getting hard countered for a while. I think he seems to believe there's only one way to play sc2 and that's simply not true. Not to take away from him, he's a good player. But until he stops blaming the game he will never win again. There's a reason you see cheese even in GSL, because it works, because it's part of the game. If you don't take the time to either practice against that or come up with a build against it and just lose over and over then expeect it to be used against you. You're exploitable at that point in time. Edit: When he commentated when he streamed was always insightful and useful but more than likely he still down talked the opposing player. If it's someone he's beaten before he'd comment immediately. If the person did something he didn't agree with he'd call it out immediately both verbally and in game. It looks bad when you do that then continue to lose even though the person made stupid decisions. One track minds aren't going to win at this game. | ||
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kubiks
France1328 Posts
On May 10 2013 16:57 matt93 wrote: not entirely true, Leenock and hyun and a few other koreans streamed a lot averaging between 300-500 viewers before they eventually got more(I still haven't seen leenock get more than 1500 on twitch). They spent a long time without viewers even though their play was superior,to people with 4k + viewers. Byun's probably the most popular non-foreign team korean streamer I've seen - on twitch at least, not sure about other platforms. Not sure but I think they still have more than most other streamer (except "popular streamers" like stephano/idra/catz&co). I remember that MC and DRG had good figures And if they could talk in english in the chat and stream regulary (like the "popular streamers"), they would have teh same number of views. | ||
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Decendos
Germany1341 Posts
now its gregs time to really think about his future. if he has no fun playing starcraft he should quit, if he still does he should also quit...and come back once he really has the motivation to get better. if he is clever he can promote his comeback AND take the timeout + teamless time to step up his game. we will see. always fun watching idra + awesome ZvTs in early WoL! | ||
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