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On May 10 2013 07:50 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:21 Asha` wrote:
Idra to TL
it's time for the redemption arc. TL is lawful good. Idra doesnt meet the alignment requirement
Nah.... I consider TL Neutral Good, maybe true neutral. This place is rife with a lot of shit being said, and a lot of punishment following which is often varied depending on mod's mood and that user's history. Most of the time I see moderator actions I think the user got what he deserved, but for one the site's punitive patterns are based more on custom than on what's officially written down, and there's definitely less leniency than what most people are willing to offer. Which is a distinguishing part of the TL model and why I like visiting the forums sometimes.
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EG tried to help the guy, but he got worse. They had no choice really. I get the feeling that he either wanted to be released, and was pushing his team deliberately to see how far he could go, or he really was having some kind of long, slow mental breakdown (in which case NOT playing starcraft is probably the best thing for him).
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About time, IdrA's antics were getting out of hand.
This bein said, it was very hard seeing iNcontrol hurt so much during SotG..
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Evil Geniuses doesn't seem very evil without IdrA on their roster. Maybe Scoot's Angels?
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On May 10 2013 16:09 BlackVelvet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:50 disciple wrote:On May 10 2013 07:21 Asha` wrote:
Idra to TL
it's time for the redemption arc. TL is lawful good. Idra doesnt meet the alignment requirement Nah.... I consider TL Neutral Good, maybe true neutral. This place is rife with a lot of shit being said, and a lot of punishment following which is often varied depending on mod's mood and that user's history. Most of the time I see moderator actions I think the user got what he deserved, but for one the site's punitive patterns are based more on custom than on what's officially written down, and there's definitely less leniency than what most people are willing to offer. Which is a distinguishing part of the TL model and why I like visiting the forums sometimes.
Nonsense, TL is Lawful Neutral, it has its rules, it means well but it has its own darned rules and it sticks to them, no matter what YOUR moral compass might be. That'd be my take on it, anyway. :p
On May 10 2013 16:02 Defacer wrote:
It's like Allen Iverson refusing to enter a game, with 2 minutes left and his team down 10 points.
I couldn't make sense of this until I realised you weren't talking about the SC2 team Alien Invasion.
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How I think about the reasoning behind this move...Releasing Greg is like how blizzard has been dealing with WoW patches in recent times. Satisfying the masses (for the $$$/overall image) but with little care to the people that have been with them the longest ie) they do this to please the greater community and assume the people that are already fans will stay fans of EG.
Being a long time fan of EG and Idra...this move leaves a bitter taste. EG is not the same without EG.Idra
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On May 10 2013 16:00 Punti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 15:36 Mothra wrote:On May 10 2013 15:31 ROOTFayth wrote:On May 10 2013 15:27 Mothra wrote:On May 10 2013 15:22 ROOTFayth wrote:On May 10 2013 15:14 Talin wrote:On May 10 2013 15:12 ROOTFayth wrote:On May 10 2013 15:07 Talin wrote:
Recruit one of the most talented and THE hardest working foreign player that ever played the game. Enable and encourage the worst of his habits to make your (irrelevant at the time) SC2 division hyper popular in the next 1-2 years by deliberately building up and feeding off the negativity in his image, even when it was obvious it was destroying his best qualities as a player.
Then, when you realize you don't need him anymore, fire him for saying something that is genuinely true and not really offensive at all.
Well color me surprised. not to take anything off of idra's work ethic cuz he seemed to do decent but I don't think he was THE hardest working foreign player... just had to look at Kas for that, always had easily over 2000 games every ladder season I was talking 2009-2010 here, not sure Kas was even active back then (could be wrong though). During his time on CJ and immediately before EG I'm pretty sure Idra was the hardest working western player. That is the player they signed at the time. the beta came out in february 2010, not sure why you bring up 2009 o_o Before SC2, Idra moved over to Korea to live in the CJ Entus pro gamer house. Despite not getting much results, he stuck with it for quite awhile and was the only foreigner to do something like that (at least at that time, I know some others did before). That really took a lot of guts and dedication to the game. there were very few who were willing to do that, the risk/reward was just way too bad to even consider imo... I'm sure he doesn't regret doing that but I think he would have achieved just as much in SC2 even if he didn't go to korea prior to that Well my point is that he truly loved the game and held himself to a high standard (in terms of play, not personality lol). That is more than can be said of the waves of people who have swooped in to make money and careers off of SC2. Idra actually sacrificed and broke new waters by going to live full time in a 100% Korean pro house. People forget what he put in and what he gave up for the game. IdrA wasn't the first foreigner going to korea for SC and living there full time. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Grrrr... Also: IdrA more than once stated that he hates Starcraft 2 and just plays it for the money.
He was the last, not the first. It was a completely different age from when Grrrr... went. The strategy and mechanical skill of Korean BW was nearing perfection when Idra went, and it was brutal to try and compete. As for his hating SC2, well, I haven't been following much but I'll take your word for it. That just makes this announcement seem inevitable and unremarkable.
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I can't stop laughing at the thought of: "Well, it looks like they ... released the Graken... yeeaah!"
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On May 10 2013 16:11 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 16:09 BlackVelvet wrote:On May 10 2013 07:50 disciple wrote:On May 10 2013 07:21 Asha` wrote:
Idra to TL
it's time for the redemption arc. TL is lawful good. Idra doesnt meet the alignment requirement Nah.... I consider TL Neutral Good, maybe true neutral. This place is rife with a lot of shit being said, and a lot of punishment following which is often varied depending on mod's mood and that user's history. Most of the time I see moderator actions I think the user got what he deserved, but for one the site's punitive patterns are based more on custom than on what's officially written down, and there's definitely less leniency than what most people are willing to offer. Which is a distinguishing part of the TL model and why I like visiting the forums sometimes. Nonsense, TL is Lawful Neutral, it has its rules, it means well but it has its own darned rules and it sticks to them, no matter what YOUR moral compass might be. That'd be my take on it, anyway. :p Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 16:02 Defacer wrote:
It's like Allen Iverson refusing to enter a game, with 2 minutes left and his team down 10 points. I couldn't make sense of this until I realised you weren't talking about the SC2 team Alien Invasion.
The longer you are on Teamliquid and the more you did contribute, the 'easier' or at least more likely you get away with something stupid. Ofcourse even a 10000+ count poster can be banned, but overall his tone could be more aggressive. Teamliquid is moderated quiet fair to be honest. Freedom of speech is encouraged here, which doesn't mean that you can insult / harm others with content you produce.
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Wow, didn't expect that, since I strongly believed in the "EG doesn't give a damn as long as he brings the hype/viewer count/visibility/fan count" theory.
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The more that Idra's followers post in this thread with super-rage, lashing out at the community and EG, the more I feel like there's this small circus of people that has followed Idra around for years . . . people who are "slightly off" in some way or another, that become obsessive and end up die-hard Idra fanatics.
Some of these posts are just hilariously strange.
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EG just lost half of its value.
Bad move, EG.
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I can't believe it !
Good luck Idra and good luck EG.
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On May 10 2013 16:11 urashimakt wrote:
Evil Geniuses doesn't seem very evil without IdrA on their roster. Maybe Scoot's Angels?
That wouldn't work either cuz Scoots isnt with EG anymore.
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On May 10 2013 16:14 UberNuB wrote:
I can't stop laughing at the thought of: "Well, it looks like they ... released the Graken... yeeaah!"
is the "yeaah" the sound of the academy being selected?
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On May 10 2013 16:16 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 16:11 urashimakt wrote:
Evil Geniuses doesn't seem very evil without IdrA on their roster. Maybe Scoot's Angels? That wouldn't work either cuz Scoots isnt with EG anymore.
Wow, I hadn't even realized that.
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On May 10 2013 08:02 KelsierSC wrote:
Well I won't be watching any foreign events that Idra isn't a part of, I used to because I cared about EG but getting rid of a big personality and a great player makes them completely devoid of interest to me.
I will watch InControl casting but the foreign scene is completely pointless to me without Idra.
then youre missing a lot of awesome sc2... your loss :/
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bye greg.
im mistake.
grack.
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EPT
