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On April 25 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:26 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:10 EnPassant wrote:On April 25 2013 03:04 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:57 Undead1993 wrote:On April 25 2013 02:55 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:44 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 25 2013 02:25 Mangooze wrote:
Oh come on, MLG make a public apology, get over it already. What else can you ask from them... A public apology full of fluff and of no actual substance, that provided no new information regarding what went wrong or how they'll attempt to mitigate the damage already done. I honestly don't understand how any rational individual can look at that supposed apology and see it as anything more than a bunch of cookie-cutter nonspecific drivel that companies release all the time when they dun goof. What went wrong? The manager just told you what went wrong. They didn't register at the same time MacSeed did because he didn't fully understand the rules and thought he was registering his whole team for an individual event. Which is the opposite of what people were originally saying. Both sides did things wrong. The apology didn't need to address every detail. They said they fucked up, they said they will improve for next time. If they don't that is when we really have to be up in arms with MLG and Blizzard. LOL he still said that they registered 1 day before the koreans and the koreans were in the bracket they were not. srsly "both sides did thing wrong" god damn it. And MLG reserved spots, JUST LIKE ESL DID, for specific players who they have dealt with in the past... why is that hard to understand? Difference is, that there were a lot more people allowed to participate in EU qualifiers. Also, this should be about fair competition and not about connections to "important" people at MLG. MLG just handled the whole thing unprofessional and intransparent. I really don´t think they should get away with this. I only agree that not enough people were allowed to participate. MLG did what they felt was the fairest for them and the time frame they had. They obviously made mistakes, and they admitted to them (i.e should have had more spots in the qualifier). If they just had more spots Chinese players would have gotten in. That is that. So Blizzard told them that they were not allowed to hold the qualifier on Friday? Or the days before that, for that matter. I assume they didn't want the EU and NA qualifiers to run over each other/be to close. Who knows though. MLG fucked up but people are, IMO, overreacting right now.
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On April 25 2013 03:29 yawnoC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 25 2013 03:26 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:10 EnPassant wrote:On April 25 2013 03:04 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:57 Undead1993 wrote:On April 25 2013 02:55 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:44 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 25 2013 02:25 Mangooze wrote:
Oh come on, MLG make a public apology, get over it already. What else can you ask from them... A public apology full of fluff and of no actual substance, that provided no new information regarding what went wrong or how they'll attempt to mitigate the damage already done. I honestly don't understand how any rational individual can look at that supposed apology and see it as anything more than a bunch of cookie-cutter nonspecific drivel that companies release all the time when they dun goof. What went wrong? The manager just told you what went wrong. They didn't register at the same time MacSeed did because he didn't fully understand the rules and thought he was registering his whole team for an individual event. Which is the opposite of what people were originally saying. Both sides did things wrong. The apology didn't need to address every detail. They said they fucked up, they said they will improve for next time. If they don't that is when we really have to be up in arms with MLG and Blizzard. LOL he still said that they registered 1 day before the koreans and the koreans were in the bracket they were not. srsly "both sides did thing wrong" god damn it. And MLG reserved spots, JUST LIKE ESL DID, for specific players who they have dealt with in the past... why is that hard to understand? Difference is, that there were a lot more people allowed to participate in EU qualifiers. Also, this should be about fair competition and not about connections to "important" people at MLG. MLG just handled the whole thing unprofessional and intransparent. I really don´t think they should get away with this. I only agree that not enough people were allowed to participate. MLG did what they felt was the fairest for them and the time frame they had. They obviously made mistakes, and they admitted to them (i.e should have had more spots in the qualifier). If they just had more spots Chinese players would have gotten in. That is that. So Blizzard told them that they were not allowed to hold the qualifier on Friday? Or the days before that, for that matter. I assume they didn't want the EU and NA qualifiers to run over each other/be to close. Who knows though. MLG fucked up but people are, IMO, overreacting right now.
Well, I'm sure people will calm down quickly once they get a detailed apology, like that one from the ESL for example. 
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Let's hope that now at least the Challenger qualifiers will be opened up properly.
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On April 25 2013 03:31 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:29 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 25 2013 03:26 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:10 EnPassant wrote:On April 25 2013 03:04 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:57 Undead1993 wrote:On April 25 2013 02:55 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:44 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 25 2013 02:25 Mangooze wrote:
Oh come on, MLG make a public apology, get over it already. What else can you ask from them... A public apology full of fluff and of no actual substance, that provided no new information regarding what went wrong or how they'll attempt to mitigate the damage already done. I honestly don't understand how any rational individual can look at that supposed apology and see it as anything more than a bunch of cookie-cutter nonspecific drivel that companies release all the time when they dun goof. What went wrong? The manager just told you what went wrong. They didn't register at the same time MacSeed did because he didn't fully understand the rules and thought he was registering his whole team for an individual event. Which is the opposite of what people were originally saying. Both sides did things wrong. The apology didn't need to address every detail. They said they fucked up, they said they will improve for next time. If they don't that is when we really have to be up in arms with MLG and Blizzard. LOL he still said that they registered 1 day before the koreans and the koreans were in the bracket they were not. srsly "both sides did thing wrong" god damn it. And MLG reserved spots, JUST LIKE ESL DID, for specific players who they have dealt with in the past... why is that hard to understand? Difference is, that there were a lot more people allowed to participate in EU qualifiers. Also, this should be about fair competition and not about connections to "important" people at MLG. MLG just handled the whole thing unprofessional and intransparent. I really don´t think they should get away with this. I only agree that not enough people were allowed to participate. MLG did what they felt was the fairest for them and the time frame they had. They obviously made mistakes, and they admitted to them (i.e should have had more spots in the qualifier). If they just had more spots Chinese players would have gotten in. That is that. So Blizzard told them that they were not allowed to hold the qualifier on Friday? Or the days before that, for that matter. I assume they didn't want the EU and NA qualifiers to run over each other/be to close. Who knows though. MLG fucked up but people are, IMO, overreacting right now. Well, I'm sure people will calm down quickly once they get a detailed apology, like that one from the ESL for example. You thought the ESL apology was detailed? all they said was "First two days could have been better" and they they increased the size of the brackets... or did I read a different "apology" (wasn't really an apology more of an explanation of what they did)
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I feel so bad for these Chinese players.
MLG: You must do SOMETHING to make this right. It's shameful and puts a huge question mark over the legitimacy of your tournament. I for one, will not be watching any of WCS NA until something is done. WCS EU will receive my viewership.
GL Edison, IG and all of the Chinese SC2 community.
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WCS 2013 is going for the official eSports record of "most vague non-commital apologies in a single season".
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On April 25 2013 03:38 yawnoC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:31 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 25 2013 03:29 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 25 2013 03:26 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:10 EnPassant wrote:On April 25 2013 03:04 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:57 Undead1993 wrote:On April 25 2013 02:55 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:44 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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A public apology full of fluff and of no actual substance, that provided no new information regarding what went wrong or how they'll attempt to mitigate the damage already done. I honestly don't understand how any rational individual can look at that supposed apology and see it as anything more than a bunch of cookie-cutter nonspecific drivel that companies release all the time when they dun goof.
What went wrong? The manager just told you what went wrong. They didn't register at the same time MacSeed did because he didn't fully understand the rules and thought he was registering his whole team for an individual event. Which is the opposite of what people were originally saying. Both sides did things wrong. The apology didn't need to address every detail. They said they fucked up, they said they will improve for next time. If they don't that is when we really have to be up in arms with MLG and Blizzard. LOL he still said that they registered 1 day before the koreans and the koreans were in the bracket they were not. srsly "both sides did thing wrong" god damn it. And MLG reserved spots, JUST LIKE ESL DID, for specific players who they have dealt with in the past... why is that hard to understand? Difference is, that there were a lot more people allowed to participate in EU qualifiers. Also, this should be about fair competition and not about connections to "important" people at MLG. MLG just handled the whole thing unprofessional and intransparent. I really don´t think they should get away with this. I only agree that not enough people were allowed to participate. MLG did what they felt was the fairest for them and the time frame they had. They obviously made mistakes, and they admitted to them (i.e should have had more spots in the qualifier). If they just had more spots Chinese players would have gotten in. That is that. So Blizzard told them that they were not allowed to hold the qualifier on Friday? Or the days before that, for that matter. I assume they didn't want the EU and NA qualifiers to run over each other/be to close. Who knows though. MLG fucked up but people are, IMO, overreacting right now. Well, I'm sure people will calm down quickly once they get a detailed apology, like that one from the ESL for example. You thought the ESL apology was detailed? all they said was "First two days could have been better" and they they increased the size of the brackets... or did I read a different "apology" (wasn't really an apology more of an explanation of what they did)
At least they actually did something...MLG's title was "how we will improve" and they didn't say a word about it. The MLG apology was a joke, no matter what you compare it too. What's even more frustrating is that they don't even know what people are most upset about...how can you expect them to change (with out making a large uproar) when they don't even know or acknowledge what was a problem.
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On April 25 2013 03:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
WCS 2013 is going for the official eSports record of "most vague non-commital apologies in a single season".
You just described every public apology by every publicly owned anything, ever. They are by design vague and non-committal. Wait to see how they address the issues, rather than how specifically they apologize.
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Thanks for the interview. Can't believe this guy is so nice about it.
First, MLG lets diamonds take the spots of the best players that could possibly be in the tournament (top 100 kr gm). Then they disqualify Comm (a wcs champion) -- for a technicality no one cares about -- when he's already very close to qualifying. And that's just what they did to the Chinese scene.
That's not incompetence. That's MLG spending Blizzard's money on blow and strippers while giving some homeless guy a couple beers to run the tournament for them.
Disgusting.
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On April 25 2013 03:38 yawnoC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:31 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 25 2013 03:29 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 25 2013 03:26 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:10 EnPassant wrote:On April 25 2013 03:04 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:57 Undead1993 wrote:On April 25 2013 02:55 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:44 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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A public apology full of fluff and of no actual substance, that provided no new information regarding what went wrong or how they'll attempt to mitigate the damage already done. I honestly don't understand how any rational individual can look at that supposed apology and see it as anything more than a bunch of cookie-cutter nonspecific drivel that companies release all the time when they dun goof.
What went wrong? The manager just told you what went wrong. They didn't register at the same time MacSeed did because he didn't fully understand the rules and thought he was registering his whole team for an individual event. Which is the opposite of what people were originally saying. Both sides did things wrong. The apology didn't need to address every detail. They said they fucked up, they said they will improve for next time. If they don't that is when we really have to be up in arms with MLG and Blizzard. LOL he still said that they registered 1 day before the koreans and the koreans were in the bracket they were not. srsly "both sides did thing wrong" god damn it. And MLG reserved spots, JUST LIKE ESL DID, for specific players who they have dealt with in the past... why is that hard to understand? Difference is, that there were a lot more people allowed to participate in EU qualifiers. Also, this should be about fair competition and not about connections to "important" people at MLG. MLG just handled the whole thing unprofessional and intransparent. I really don´t think they should get away with this. I only agree that not enough people were allowed to participate. MLG did what they felt was the fairest for them and the time frame they had. They obviously made mistakes, and they admitted to them (i.e should have had more spots in the qualifier). If they just had more spots Chinese players would have gotten in. That is that. So Blizzard told them that they were not allowed to hold the qualifier on Friday? Or the days before that, for that matter. I assume they didn't want the EU and NA qualifiers to run over each other/be to close. Who knows though. MLG fucked up but people are, IMO, overreacting right now. Well, I'm sure people will calm down quickly once they get a detailed apology, like that one from the ESL for example. You thought the ESL apology was detailed? all they said was "First two days could have been better" and they they increased the size of the brackets... or did I read a different "apology" (wasn't really an apology more of an explanation of what they did)
Well, okay maybe I should've put it in better words. I am not only talking about the actual apology statement but also the stuff around it. While the first few tweets of Sundance almost felt a bit arrogant, Carmac's post on reddit showed that he understands the concerns of the community. Also technically it was more "detailed" (if not for much), as he explained that Kaelaris was supposed to find a co-caster for the qualifiers but wasn't able to actually find one. 
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On April 25 2013 03:26 yawnoC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:10 EnPassant wrote:On April 25 2013 03:04 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:57 Undead1993 wrote:On April 25 2013 02:55 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:44 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 25 2013 02:25 Mangooze wrote:
Oh come on, MLG make a public apology, get over it already. What else can you ask from them... A public apology full of fluff and of no actual substance, that provided no new information regarding what went wrong or how they'll attempt to mitigate the damage already done. I honestly don't understand how any rational individual can look at that supposed apology and see it as anything more than a bunch of cookie-cutter nonspecific drivel that companies release all the time when they dun goof. What went wrong? The manager just told you what went wrong. They didn't register at the same time MacSeed did because he didn't fully understand the rules and thought he was registering his whole team for an individual event. Which is the opposite of what people were originally saying. Both sides did things wrong. The apology didn't need to address every detail. They said they fucked up, they said they will improve for next time. If they don't that is when we really have to be up in arms with MLG and Blizzard. LOL he still said that they registered 1 day before the koreans and the koreans were in the bracket they were not. srsly "both sides did thing wrong" god damn it. And MLG reserved spots, JUST LIKE ESL DID, for specific players who they have dealt with in the past... why is that hard to understand? Difference is, that there were a lot more people allowed to participate in EU qualifiers. Also, this should be about fair competition and not about connections to "important" people at MLG. MLG just handled the whole thing unprofessional and intransparent. I really don´t think they should get away with this. I only agree that not enough people were allowed to participate. MLG did what they felt was the fairest for them and the time frame they had. They obviously made mistakes, and they admitted to them (i.e should have had more spots in the qualifier). If they just had more spots Chinese players would have gotten in. That is that.
Don't know how u can say MLG did enough for the timeframe they had. ESL showed with even less time that alot more was doable. Also looking up last Years WCS top 3-5 finishers for each Region and having a list for these players takes less than 1hour (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series). If the whole WCS-NA Qualifier was too much for MLG why didn't they ask for some help from ESL/TL/NASL/Blizzard to be better prepared for Season1 Qualifier. They said we're able to do WCS-NA, they knew the timeframe, but it seems they a)have not the resources to handle something big like this or b)they did not put enough manpower behind it to reduce the cost and make maximum profit underestimating this community backlash.
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MLG needs to do something more to correct this issue than just the public statement they put out. A simple statement saying "We are sorry" really isn't adequate. I don't think I will be watching anymore WCS NA until something more is done.
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On April 25 2013 03:45 Prplppleatr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:38 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:31 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 25 2013 03:29 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 25 2013 03:26 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:10 EnPassant wrote:On April 25 2013 03:04 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:57 Undead1993 wrote:On April 25 2013 02:55 yawnoC wrote:
[quote]What went wrong? The manager just told you what went wrong. They didn't register at the same time MacSeed did because he didn't fully understand the rules and thought he was registering his whole team for an individual event. Which is the opposite of what people were originally saying. Both sides did things wrong. The apology didn't need to address every detail. They said they fucked up, they said they will improve for next time. If they don't that is when we really have to be up in arms with MLG and Blizzard. LOL he still said that they registered 1 day before the koreans and the koreans were in the bracket they were not. srsly "both sides did thing wrong" god damn it. And MLG reserved spots, JUST LIKE ESL DID, for specific players who they have dealt with in the past... why is that hard to understand? Difference is, that there were a lot more people allowed to participate in EU qualifiers. Also, this should be about fair competition and not about connections to "important" people at MLG. MLG just handled the whole thing unprofessional and intransparent. I really don´t think they should get away with this. I only agree that not enough people were allowed to participate. MLG did what they felt was the fairest for them and the time frame they had. They obviously made mistakes, and they admitted to them (i.e should have had more spots in the qualifier). If they just had more spots Chinese players would have gotten in. That is that. So Blizzard told them that they were not allowed to hold the qualifier on Friday? Or the days before that, for that matter. I assume they didn't want the EU and NA qualifiers to run over each other/be to close. Who knows though. MLG fucked up but people are, IMO, overreacting right now. Well, I'm sure people will calm down quickly once they get a detailed apology, like that one from the ESL for example. You thought the ESL apology was detailed? all they said was "First two days could have been better" and they they increased the size of the brackets... or did I read a different "apology" (wasn't really an apology more of an explanation of what they did) At least they actually did something...MLG's title was "how we will improve" and they didn't say a word about it. The MLG apology was a joke, no matter what you compare it too. What's even more frustrating is that they don't even know what people are most upset about...how can you expect them to change (with out making a large uproar) when they don't even know or acknowledge what was a problem. ESL had the ABILITY to do something since they had more than one qualifier. How do you know they don't know what people are upset about? Everything people are upset about is because they are assuming way to much. People honestly feel like MLG will fuck up this bad again. Remember the shit storm that was MLG Dallas? MLG gave a similar apology and they next event everything went well. They have a good track record of correcting the mistakes they make (outside extended series). Everyone expecting retroactive fixes are crazy.
On April 25 2013 03:51 semmeL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:26 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:10 EnPassant wrote:On April 25 2013 03:04 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:57 Undead1993 wrote:On April 25 2013 02:55 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:44 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 25 2013 02:25 Mangooze wrote:
Oh come on, MLG make a public apology, get over it already. What else can you ask from them... A public apology full of fluff and of no actual substance, that provided no new information regarding what went wrong or how they'll attempt to mitigate the damage already done. I honestly don't understand how any rational individual can look at that supposed apology and see it as anything more than a bunch of cookie-cutter nonspecific drivel that companies release all the time when they dun goof. What went wrong? The manager just told you what went wrong. They didn't register at the same time MacSeed did because he didn't fully understand the rules and thought he was registering his whole team for an individual event. Which is the opposite of what people were originally saying. Both sides did things wrong. The apology didn't need to address every detail. They said they fucked up, they said they will improve for next time. If they don't that is when we really have to be up in arms with MLG and Blizzard. LOL he still said that they registered 1 day before the koreans and the koreans were in the bracket they were not. srsly "both sides did thing wrong" god damn it. And MLG reserved spots, JUST LIKE ESL DID, for specific players who they have dealt with in the past... why is that hard to understand? Difference is, that there were a lot more people allowed to participate in EU qualifiers. Also, this should be about fair competition and not about connections to "important" people at MLG. MLG just handled the whole thing unprofessional and intransparent. I really don´t think they should get away with this. I only agree that not enough people were allowed to participate. MLG did what they felt was the fairest for them and the time frame they had. They obviously made mistakes, and they admitted to them (i.e should have had more spots in the qualifier). If they just had more spots Chinese players would have gotten in. That is that. Dont know how u can say MLG did enough for the timeframe they had. ESL showed with even less time that alot more was doable. Also looking up last Years WCS top 3-5 finishers for each Region and having a list for these players takes less than 1hour (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series). If the whole WCS-NA Qualifier was too much for MLG why didnt they ask for some help from ESL/TL/NASL/Blizzard to be better prepared for Season1 Qualifier. They said were able to do WCS-NA, they knew the timeframe, but it seems they a)have not the resources to handle something big like this or b)they did not put enough manpower behind it to reduce the cost and make maximum profit underestimating this community backlash. ESL has a history of running events like this only. MLG doesn't. Its not suprise that ESL did a better job and guess what? Even they had to fix things. Ultimately Blizzard shouldn't have pushed all this as fast as they did but they did. People fucked up but as long as they fix all those issues for the next event I have no real issue. When things are done for the first time problems are natural. I feel like everyone wants everything to be close to perfect out of the gate when that is just not possible.
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Maybe it's because I am european, but I would've liked WCS NA alot better with some chinese players. Sadly I think there is no fair way to resolve this issue.
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This whole thing was just pure sloppiness by MLG.
Best of luck to the Chinese pros
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WCS NA just seemed to be very sloppy in general. Hopefully they fix their mistakes and do something to make it up to the Chinese players
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On April 25 2013 03:54 yawnoC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:45 Prplppleatr wrote:On April 25 2013 03:38 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:31 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 25 2013 03:29 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 25 2013 03:26 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:10 EnPassant wrote:On April 25 2013 03:04 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:57 Undead1993 wrote:
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LOL he still said that they registered 1 day before the koreans and the koreans were in the bracket they were not. srsly "both sides did thing wrong" god damn it. And MLG reserved spots, JUST LIKE ESL DID, for specific players who they have dealt with in the past... why is that hard to understand? Difference is, that there were a lot more people allowed to participate in EU qualifiers. Also, this should be about fair competition and not about connections to "important" people at MLG. MLG just handled the whole thing unprofessional and intransparent. I really don´t think they should get away with this. I only agree that not enough people were allowed to participate. MLG did what they felt was the fairest for them and the time frame they had. They obviously made mistakes, and they admitted to them (i.e should have had more spots in the qualifier). If they just had more spots Chinese players would have gotten in. That is that. So Blizzard told them that they were not allowed to hold the qualifier on Friday? Or the days before that, for that matter. I assume they didn't want the EU and NA qualifiers to run over each other/be to close. Who knows though. MLG fucked up but people are, IMO, overreacting right now. Well, I'm sure people will calm down quickly once they get a detailed apology, like that one from the ESL for example. You thought the ESL apology was detailed? all they said was "First two days could have been better" and they they increased the size of the brackets... or did I read a different "apology" (wasn't really an apology more of an explanation of what they did) At least they actually did something...MLG's title was "how we will improve" and they didn't say a word about it. The MLG apology was a joke, no matter what you compare it too. What's even more frustrating is that they don't even know what people are most upset about...how can you expect them to change (with out making a large uproar) when they don't even know or acknowledge what was a problem. ESL had the ABILITY to do something since they had more than one qualifier. How do you know they don't know what people are upset about? Everything people are upset about is because they are assuming way to much. People honestly feel like MLG will fuck up this bad again. Remember the shit storm that was MLG Dallas? MLG gave a similar apology and they next event everything went well. They have a good track record of correcting the mistakes they make (outside extended series). Everyone expecting retroactive fixes are crazy.
If u know u do only 1 Qualifier, u have to make sure that it's doable/tripple fool proofed. So if u do only 1 Qualifier make sure beforehand that mistakes at this scale and how often they accured can not happen. Again MLGs fault for just doing 1 Qualifier and doing it so bad. They also could have run more Qualifiers and improve upon them like ESL did. But well more Qualifiers more work, better just do 1 and safe money.
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On April 25 2013 03:51 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:38 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:31 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 25 2013 03:29 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 25 2013 03:26 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:10 EnPassant wrote:On April 25 2013 03:04 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:57 Undead1993 wrote:On April 25 2013 02:55 yawnoC wrote:
[quote]What went wrong? The manager just told you what went wrong. They didn't register at the same time MacSeed did because he didn't fully understand the rules and thought he was registering his whole team for an individual event. Which is the opposite of what people were originally saying. Both sides did things wrong. The apology didn't need to address every detail. They said they fucked up, they said they will improve for next time. If they don't that is when we really have to be up in arms with MLG and Blizzard. LOL he still said that they registered 1 day before the koreans and the koreans were in the bracket they were not. srsly "both sides did thing wrong" god damn it. And MLG reserved spots, JUST LIKE ESL DID, for specific players who they have dealt with in the past... why is that hard to understand? Difference is, that there were a lot more people allowed to participate in EU qualifiers. Also, this should be about fair competition and not about connections to "important" people at MLG. MLG just handled the whole thing unprofessional and intransparent. I really don´t think they should get away with this. I only agree that not enough people were allowed to participate. MLG did what they felt was the fairest for them and the time frame they had. They obviously made mistakes, and they admitted to them (i.e should have had more spots in the qualifier). If they just had more spots Chinese players would have gotten in. That is that. So Blizzard told them that they were not allowed to hold the qualifier on Friday? Or the days before that, for that matter. I assume they didn't want the EU and NA qualifiers to run over each other/be to close. Who knows though. MLG fucked up but people are, IMO, overreacting right now. Well, I'm sure people will calm down quickly once they get a detailed apology, like that one from the ESL for example. You thought the ESL apology was detailed? all they said was "First two days could have been better" and they they increased the size of the brackets... or did I read a different "apology" (wasn't really an apology more of an explanation of what they did) Well, okay maybe I should've put it in better words. I am not only talking about the actual apology statement but also the stuff around it. While the first few tweets of Sundance almost felt a bit arrogant, Carmac's post on reddit showed that he understands the concerns of the community. Also technically it was more "detailed" (if not for much), as he explained that Kaelaris was supposed to find a co-caster for the qualifiers but wasn't able to actually find one.
I think in general the community would like MLG to be more open and less dismissive its concerns. Having a dialogue with them, rather than a shouting match. Qualifiers are always going to leave someone unhappy and complaining on the internet for any number of reasons. No process is going to be perfect, but being willing to talk about it would do a lot of their PR. And to be fair to Sundance, when he made the tweet about throwing money, there was some horrible stuff being sent to him on twitter. He shouldn't have responded like that, but the stuff that was coming in was pretty out of control.
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On April 25 2013 03:54 yawnoC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:45 Prplppleatr wrote:On April 25 2013 03:38 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:31 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 25 2013 03:29 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:28 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 25 2013 03:26 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:10 EnPassant wrote:On April 25 2013 03:04 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:57 Undead1993 wrote:
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LOL he still said that they registered 1 day before the koreans and the koreans were in the bracket they were not. srsly "both sides did thing wrong" god damn it. And MLG reserved spots, JUST LIKE ESL DID, for specific players who they have dealt with in the past... why is that hard to understand? Difference is, that there were a lot more people allowed to participate in EU qualifiers. Also, this should be about fair competition and not about connections to "important" people at MLG. MLG just handled the whole thing unprofessional and intransparent. I really don´t think they should get away with this. I only agree that not enough people were allowed to participate. MLG did what they felt was the fairest for them and the time frame they had. They obviously made mistakes, and they admitted to them (i.e should have had more spots in the qualifier). If they just had more spots Chinese players would have gotten in. That is that. So Blizzard told them that they were not allowed to hold the qualifier on Friday? Or the days before that, for that matter. I assume they didn't want the EU and NA qualifiers to run over each other/be to close. Who knows though. MLG fucked up but people are, IMO, overreacting right now. Well, I'm sure people will calm down quickly once they get a detailed apology, like that one from the ESL for example. You thought the ESL apology was detailed? all they said was "First two days could have been better" and they they increased the size of the brackets... or did I read a different "apology" (wasn't really an apology more of an explanation of what they did) At least they actually did something...MLG's title was "how we will improve" and they didn't say a word about it. The MLG apology was a joke, no matter what you compare it too. What's even more frustrating is that they don't even know what people are most upset about...how can you expect them to change (with out making a large uproar) when they don't even know or acknowledge what was a problem. ESL had the ABILITY to do something since they had more than one qualifier. How do you know they don't know what people are upset about? Everything people are upset about is because they are assuming way to much. People honestly feel like MLG will fuck up this bad again. Remember the shit storm that was MLG Dallas? MLG gave a similar apology and they next event everything went well. They have a good track record of correcting the mistakes they make (outside extended series). Everyone expecting retroactive fixes are crazy. Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:51 semmeL wrote:On April 25 2013 03:26 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 03:10 EnPassant wrote:On April 25 2013 03:04 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:57 Undead1993 wrote:On April 25 2013 02:55 yawnoC wrote:On April 25 2013 02:44 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On April 25 2013 02:25 Mangooze wrote:
Oh come on, MLG make a public apology, get over it already. What else can you ask from them... A public apology full of fluff and of no actual substance, that provided no new information regarding what went wrong or how they'll attempt to mitigate the damage already done. I honestly don't understand how any rational individual can look at that supposed apology and see it as anything more than a bunch of cookie-cutter nonspecific drivel that companies release all the time when they dun goof. What went wrong? The manager just told you what went wrong. They didn't register at the same time MacSeed did because he didn't fully understand the rules and thought he was registering his whole team for an individual event. Which is the opposite of what people were originally saying. Both sides did things wrong. The apology didn't need to address every detail. They said they fucked up, they said they will improve for next time. If they don't that is when we really have to be up in arms with MLG and Blizzard. LOL he still said that they registered 1 day before the koreans and the koreans were in the bracket they were not. srsly "both sides did thing wrong" god damn it. And MLG reserved spots, JUST LIKE ESL DID, for specific players who they have dealt with in the past... why is that hard to understand? Difference is, that there were a lot more people allowed to participate in EU qualifiers. Also, this should be about fair competition and not about connections to "important" people at MLG. MLG just handled the whole thing unprofessional and intransparent. I really don´t think they should get away with this. I only agree that not enough people were allowed to participate. MLG did what they felt was the fairest for them and the time frame they had. They obviously made mistakes, and they admitted to them (i.e should have had more spots in the qualifier). If they just had more spots Chinese players would have gotten in. That is that. Dont know how u can say MLG did enough for the timeframe they had. ESL showed with even less time that alot more was doable. Also looking up last Years WCS top 3-5 finishers for each Region and having a list for these players takes less than 1hour (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series). If the whole WCS-NA Qualifier was too much for MLG why didnt they ask for some help from ESL/TL/NASL/Blizzard to be better prepared for Season1 Qualifier. They said were able to do WCS-NA, they knew the timeframe, but it seems they a)have not the resources to handle something big like this or b)they did not put enough manpower behind it to reduce the cost and make maximum profit underestimating this community backlash. ESL has a history of running events like this only. MLG doesn't. Its not suprise that ESL did a better job and guess what? Even they had to fix things. Ultimately Blizzard shouldn't have pushed all this as fast as they did but they did. People fucked up but as long as they fix all those issues for the next event I have no real issue. When things are done for the first time problems are natural. I feel like everyone wants everything to be close to perfect out of the gate when that is just not possible.
How does this excuse MLG for not asking for informations/help on OnlineTournaments from organisations like ESL that have more experience with these things ?
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