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On April 24 2013 08:59 larse wrote:Too much Chinese exceptionalism in this paragraph: Show nested quote +The Chinese academic and student extra-curricular environment is extremely competitive due to the population density and traditional societal values, the vast majority of parents and students themselves often regard gaming as a waste of time at best, and illegitimate or even undesirable at worst. This combined with the central government’s historical stance on internet control, standardized educational testing and evaluation, and the illegitimacy of video games as a hobby or art form makes it almost impossible to convince parents to allow their children to participate or commit in esports. Chinese BW has also gone through the same sordid history of struggling against stereotype, and survives as the majority of old legends and former pros are in their thirties or late twenties and are capable of making personal decisions about their own livelihoods. However both communities are still struggling to find new blood with in the scene. The governmental and societal attitude toward professional gaming is not that different in China and in many other countries. The Chinese exceptionalism is such a syndrome in a lot of writings and academic literature on China by Chinese writers. Such degree of exceptionalism really needs a systematic cross-national analysis to justify.
This is some general statement (regarding exceptionalism) that you can throw to any country (US espcially), and when you just state it without evidence or proof it can come off as offensive. Whatever you think about the Chinese, you have to admit their situations/environment is quite different compare to the rest of the world.
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On April 24 2013 09:23 FindMeInKenya wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 08:59 larse wrote:Too much Chinese exceptionalism in this paragraph: The Chinese academic and student extra-curricular environment is extremely competitive due to the population density and traditional societal values, the vast majority of parents and students themselves often regard gaming as a waste of time at best, and illegitimate or even undesirable at worst. This combined with the central government’s historical stance on internet control, standardized educational testing and evaluation, and the illegitimacy of video games as a hobby or art form makes it almost impossible to convince parents to allow their children to participate or commit in esports. Chinese BW has also gone through the same sordid history of struggling against stereotype, and survives as the majority of old legends and former pros are in their thirties or late twenties and are capable of making personal decisions about their own livelihoods. However both communities are still struggling to find new blood with in the scene. The governmental and societal attitude toward professional gaming is not that different in China and in many other countries. The Chinese exceptionalism is such a syndrome in a lot of writings and academic literature on China by Chinese writers. Such degree of exceptionalism really needs a systematic cross-national analysis to justify. This is some general statement (regarding exceptionalism) that you can throw to any country (US espcially), and when you just state it without evidence or proof it can come off as offensive. Whatever you think about the Chinese, you have to admit their situations/environment is quite different compare to the rest of the world.
So it's the opposite. That is some general statement that you can throw to any country. "Whatever you think about the United States, you have to admit their situations/environment is quite different compare to the rest of the world."
What I was trying to say is that the author can talk about the situation and history of Chinese SC2 scene without emphasizing too much on its 'unique difficulties'. They are not that unique. They are everywhere. Emphasizing those too much would make them sound like excuses and would obscure the discovery of the true factors that are common in many other places or to the entire world.
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If what OP said is true, and Chinese government is officially supporting ESPORT in the country now, we will see China moving very fast in the next few years.
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On April 24 2013 09:41 haduken wrote:
If what OP said is true, and Chinese government is officially supporting ESPORT in the country now, we will see China moving very fast in the next few years.
The WC3 and DOTA scenes are well and highly developed, way before government started to think about supporting esports. Now it's the LOL.
SC2 is a popular game but it's just not that popular.
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On April 24 2013 09:09 dvorakftw wrote:Will OP be edited to explain the difference between check-in confirmation and registration priority? And is the Chinese scene so so fragile that it won't survive a few months to do things right in WCS Season 2? And is Heart of the Swarm banned by the authoritarian Chinese Communist government? I get that impression but I can't really tell. I looked up http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Chinese_SC2_scene and it seems the original problem for StarCraft II popularity was Wings of Liberty was banned and then heavily restricted.
I would also like to know the answer to these questions.
Could anyone with the knowledge explain how ownership/intellectual rights in china affect this situation? I don't know but I feel like there is a struggle for control between blizz and china but i don't know how much of what i've heard is exaggerated vs legit if any.
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China should do what China does best:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0dUAH32.png)
:p
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Sickest 5k post. Glad this is getting so much attention (at least from TL, Blizz/MLG yet to comment as far as I know).
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That you for writing this up. I feel the same on most point but I still think most people are over reacting to the whole situation.
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See chinese people are very faithful and trusting people. They do their research and make sure everything is order and hate it when the other end fails. MLG lacked even an apology let alone recognition. This is pretty much killing sc2 for chinese players as the OP said motivation loss, loss in potential finances and media and more. I am disappointed in MLG/blizz
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![[image loading]](http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/22/062001vgvmu7hduvujuvav.jpg)
FYI, it says:
"FUCK HIS MUM"
"I CAN'T ENDURE THIS TYPE OF SHIT FROM MLG"
"I'M GOING TO SEEK AN EXPLANATION".
Pretty epic lol!
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On April 24 2013 11:23 Kim Hyuna wrote:FYI, it says: "FUCK HIS MUM" "I CAN'T ENDURE THIS TYPE OF SHIT FROM MLG" "I'M GOING TO SEEK AN EXPLANATION". Pretty epic lol!
Rules are rules, he shoulda asked before even playing the first match.... hahaha completely his own fault.
Yes i know he should have been seeded, and i agree 100%. Still if gold players(probably their first time registering and checking in for a tournament), are able to follow the simple procedures, i'm sure he, with that well of an understanding of the english language, could of registered and been one of the 512 to checkin, if you are on top of your sh.it, but he was not.
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Although i'm an asian, i do agreed that the chinese is at fault on this.
Like some said, rules is rules. Nothing is bigger than rules.
And if he wants to play, register with his own nick and play. Not getting someone's nick instead.
Not to offense the chinese, but chinese tends to find easier way or short cut to get things done.
Why? i deal with them in real life many times.
Now you know why China is one of the most corrupted country worldwide.
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On April 24 2013 11:20 Leeoku wrote:
See chinese people are very faithful and trusting people. They do their research and make sure everything is order and hate it when the other end fails. MLG lacked even an apology let alone recognition. This is pretty much killing sc2 for chinese players as the OP said motivation loss, loss in potential finances and media and more. I am disappointed in MLG/blizz
This is wrong, over-dramatic, and racist. gratz
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amaazing articleeee :D very nicely done.
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 I want to watch chinese players play.
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On April 24 2013 11:50 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 11:20 Leeoku wrote:
See chinese people are very faithful and trusting people. They do their research and make sure everything is order and hate it when the other end fails. MLG lacked even an apology let alone recognition. This is pretty much killing sc2 for chinese players as the OP said motivation loss, loss in potential finances and media and more. I am disappointed in MLG/blizz This is wrong, over-dramatic, and racist. gratz
As an asian I share the same feelings. I have had scenarios like this before so i can relate. It is just unprofessional.
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On April 24 2013 09:29 larse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 09:23 FindMeInKenya wrote:On April 24 2013 08:59 larse wrote:Too much Chinese exceptionalism in this paragraph: The Chinese academic and student extra-curricular environment is extremely competitive due to the population density and traditional societal values, the vast majority of parents and students themselves often regard gaming as a waste of time at best, and illegitimate or even undesirable at worst. This combined with the central government’s historical stance on internet control, standardized educational testing and evaluation, and the illegitimacy of video games as a hobby or art form makes it almost impossible to convince parents to allow their children to participate or commit in esports. Chinese BW has also gone through the same sordid history of struggling against stereotype, and survives as the majority of old legends and former pros are in their thirties or late twenties and are capable of making personal decisions about their own livelihoods. However both communities are still struggling to find new blood with in the scene. The governmental and societal attitude toward professional gaming is not that different in China and in many other countries. The Chinese exceptionalism is such a syndrome in a lot of writings and academic literature on China by Chinese writers. Such degree of exceptionalism really needs a systematic cross-national analysis to justify. This is some general statement (regarding exceptionalism) that you can throw to any country (US espcially), and when you just state it without evidence or proof it can come off as offensive. Whatever you think about the Chinese, you have to admit their situations/environment is quite different compare to the rest of the world. So it's the opposite. That is some general statement that you can throw to any country. "Whatever you think about the United States, you have to admit their situations/environment is quite different compare to the rest of the world." What I was trying to say is that the author can talk about the situation and history of Chinese SC2 scene without emphasizing too much on its 'unique difficulties'. They are not that unique. They are everywhere. Emphasizing those too much would make them sound like excuses and would obscure the discovery of the true factors that are common in many other places or to the entire world.
He emphasize it because just because not everything is black and white. If a country has 100 murders/year and another country has 100,000 murders/year, you can't just say "Well don't tell us about your country's murder problem, EVERY country has some murders."
To compare China's societal issues regarding gaming with the US is like comparing gun issues in the US with that of the rest of the developed world.
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On April 24 2013 07:36 t e a C h e r wrote:
How is EU unplayable for the chinese? Its right below russia, Ur telling me the russians have bad ping to EU server?
Or you know this because you lived in china, and played sc2 there? Im pretty sure the chinese are closer to EU, than across the pacific all the way to america.
Have you registered a Chinese sc2 account before? Have you ever tried to connect to the Chinese server from outside of China or connected to a server outside of China from China?
Have you done anything except posted skeptical, borderline troll posts on teamliquid.net?
The bottom line is the WCS is known as the World Championship Series. The term "world" implies that every country that has players will participate in it. Hell, even PandaTank from South Africa tried his luck in the WCS EU Qualifiers and I believe made it to the round of 16 one day.
Long story short, this paragraph is bolded because it is exactly things like this (and skeptics like you) that is keeping eSports from growing, and China has the second largest economy in the world and is the only one that can come close to beating the USA in the Olympics. Imagine if eSports had more players from China and that more and more players from China were taking place in tournaments like NASL, IEM, and so on. Imagine if the player-base in China were ten times larger from starcraft 2 becoming a free to play game (like LoL). This would create a potentially huge market for eSports. There has been more investment in SC2 in China in the year 2012 than any year before it, but if you even think I am wrong, go ahead and reply to this post. I will not even bother trying to shoot you down because I have no more time to waste with you.
On April 24 2013 11:23 Kim Hyuna wrote:FYI, it says: "FUCK HIS MUM" "I CAN'T ENDURE THIS TYPE OF SHIT FROM MLG" "I'M GOING TO SEEK AN EXPLANATION". Pretty epic lol!
I am so sorry this had to happen. in the red text, that is the actual coach of team iG. I want to seek a statement from him as well.
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On April 24 2013 12:20 Enders116 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 07:36 t e a C h e r wrote:
How is EU unplayable for the chinese? Its right below russia, Ur telling me the russians have bad ping to EU server?
Or you know this because you lived in china, and played sc2 there? Im pretty sure the chinese are closer to EU, than across the pacific all the way to america.
Have you registered a Chinese sc2 account before? Have you ever tried to connect to the Chinese server from outside of China or connected to a server outside of China from China? Have you done anything except posted skeptical, borderline troll posts on teamliquid.net? The bottom line is the WCS is known as the World Championship Series. The term "world" implies that every country that has players will participate in it. Hell, even PandaTank from South Africa tried his luck in the WCS EU Qualifiers and I believe made it to the round of 16 one day. Long story short, this paragraph is bolded because it is exactly things like this (and skeptics like you) that is keeping eSports from growing, and China has the second largest economy in the world and is the only one that can come close to beating the USA in the Olympics. Imagine if eSports had more players from China and that more and more players from China were taking place in tournaments like NASL, IEM, and so on. Imagine if the player-base in China were ten times larger from starcraft 2 becoming a free to play game (like LoL). This would create a potentially huge market for eSports. There has been more investment in SC2 in China in the year 2012 than any year before it, but if you even think I am wrong, go ahead and reply to this post. I will not even bother trying to shoot you down because I have no more time to waste with you.Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 11:23 Kim Hyuna wrote:FYI, it says: "FUCK HIS MUM" "I CAN'T ENDURE THIS TYPE OF SHIT FROM MLG" "I'M GOING TO SEEK AN EXPLANATION". Pretty epic lol! I am so sorry this had to happen. in the red text, that is the actual coach of team iG. I want to seek a statement from him as well.
It's very unprofessional for a big renowned team like IG to get someone's mum into the picture.
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