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If Comm really voided a MLG rule, I think the DQ is fair, the situation is the same for everyone... but it don't excuse the rest of this Chinese affair.
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Wonderfully and fact filled article. I really think there should be some type of accommodation for the Chinese players.
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wow, great post. thanks for some insight into the chinese scene.
waiting for the interviews.
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This is just a gigantic mess. Top knocked me out and was a really nice guy and willing to talk. Glad he made it as far as he did.
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Sundance gets it. He is very sorry
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I hear comm was late to check in or even sign up.
Why you making a big deal out of it, if he was late, then tried to play on his friends account, and wouldnt tell his opponents or admin who he was, until after a few rounds.
If your going to pull shady stuff like this or just completely miss the signup/checkin, You shouldn't be complaining.
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On April 24 2013 06:04 Nordom wrote:
A part from not being among the 24 invited players, I don't understand what is anti-chinese about a first come first serve 512 player bracket?
I agree that either the bracket should be bigger or have more of them, but I assume the chinese players had the same opportunity as anyone else to register as quick as possible or am I missing something?
The main point you're missing is that no one with a valid Chinese social security number was formally invited to MLG premium league for wcs NA qualifiers. It is interesting to note that Team iG beat team EG in the acre team story cup with an all kill from iG.Jim, but the regulars like idra got invites to premium league.
There are anywhere from 7-10 Chinese players that are
GM on the Korean ladder at any time.
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On April 24 2013 07:24 t e a C h e r wrote:
I hear comm was late to check in or even sign up.
Why you making a big deal out of it, if he was late, then tried to play on his friends account, and wouldnt tell his opponents or admin who he was, until after a few rounds.
If your going to pull shady stuff like this or just completely miss the signup/checkin, You shouldn't be complaining.
64 players were seeded into the qualifiers. This included EG players, ROOT players, Axiom players, Quantic players etc. The Chinese WCS champion was not among them.
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On April 24 2013 07:26 Enders116 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 06:04 Nordom wrote:
A part from not being among the 24 invited players, I don't understand what is anti-chinese about a first come first serve 512 player bracket?
I agree that either the bracket should be bigger or have more of them, but I assume the chinese players had the same opportunity as anyone else to register as quick as possible or am I missing something? The main point you're missing is that no one with a valid Chinese social security number was formally invited to MLG premium league for wcs NA qualifiers. It is interesting to note that Team iG beat team EG in the acre team story cup with an all kill from iG.Jim, but the regulars like idra got invites to premium league. There are anywhere from 7-10 Chinese players that are GM on the Korean ladder at any time.
Woah, team leagues don't count as points towards WCS, neither does ladder ( hence why Demuslim didnt get an invite, yah ur top of ladder, but if u dont have tournament results, why should u be awarded a spot?). If there are 7-10 chinese players that are GM on korea, why not fly to the code B qualifer? Why not sign up for Europe? then as a last resort, if u can't make any of those, u can sign up for NA.
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On April 24 2013 07:28 t e a C h e r wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 07:26 Enders116 wrote:On April 24 2013 06:04 Nordom wrote:
A part from not being among the 24 invited players, I don't understand what is anti-chinese about a first come first serve 512 player bracket?
I agree that either the bracket should be bigger or have more of them, but I assume the chinese players had the same opportunity as anyone else to register as quick as possible or am I missing something? The main point you're missing is that no one with a valid Chinese social security number was formally invited to MLG premium league for wcs NA qualifiers. It is interesting to note that Team iG beat team EG in the acre team story cup with an all kill from iG.Jim, but the regulars like idra got invites to premium league. There are anywhere from 7-10 Chinese players that are GM on the Korean ladder at any time. Woah, team leagues don't count as points towards WCS, neither does ladder ( hence why Demuslim didnt get an invite, yah ur top of ladder, but if u dont have tournament results, why should u be awarded a spot?). If there are 7-10 chinese players that are GM on korea, why not fly to the code B qualifer? Why not sign up for Europe? then as a last resort, if u can't make any of those, u can sign up for NA.
pretty ignorant post.
your points can be answered easily though:
Comm won WCS China so he should be awarded a spot
flying to the Code B qualifier is much more expensive then an online qualifier.
china ping to europe is unplayable. na is laggy but seems somewhat ok considering how far comm went.
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On April 24 2013 06:56 prabhbhambra13 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 06:09 hellokittySC2 wrote:On April 24 2013 06:04 Nordom wrote:
A part from not being among the 24 invited players, I don't understand what is anti-chinese about a first come first serve 512 player bracket?
I agree that either the bracket should be bigger or have more of them, but I assume the chinese players had the same opportunity as anyone else to register as quick as possible or am I missing something? the chinese players were Registered and Checked in ahead of time but then they got no spots. player spots were awarded on who registered for the tournament first rather than who checked in first. when they checked in they were on a waiting list in case some of the people who had places didn't show.
im convinced that there is a priority queue for known players or progamers from na, eu and kr but not sea and cn.
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I wish Blizzard could have organised at least a smaller league with some decent prizes and a couple of spots for the seasonal finals for SEA/Australia and China. Those regions have more talent than NA, as China proved in the Qualifiers.
It's so stupid by Blizzard to invest so much in China in 2012, only to completely ignore it in 2013. China was HUGE in Dota and WC3, can't they understand the profits that are to be had if they try and nurture the SC2 scene over there?
PS: Comm is teamless now right? And PhoenixTeam has been replaced with ZoO?
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On April 24 2013 07:32 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 07:28 t e a C h e r wrote:On April 24 2013 07:26 Enders116 wrote:On April 24 2013 06:04 Nordom wrote:
A part from not being among the 24 invited players, I don't understand what is anti-chinese about a first come first serve 512 player bracket?
I agree that either the bracket should be bigger or have more of them, but I assume the chinese players had the same opportunity as anyone else to register as quick as possible or am I missing something? The main point you're missing is that no one with a valid Chinese social security number was formally invited to MLG premium league for wcs NA qualifiers. It is interesting to note that Team iG beat team EG in the acre team story cup with an all kill from iG.Jim, but the regulars like idra got invites to premium league. There are anywhere from 7-10 Chinese players that are GM on the Korean ladder at any time. Woah, team leagues don't count as points towards WCS, neither does ladder ( hence why Demuslim didnt get an invite, yah ur top of ladder, but if u dont have tournament results, why should u be awarded a spot?). If there are 7-10 chinese players that are GM on korea, why not fly to the code B qualifer? Why not sign up for Europe? then as a last resort, if u can't make any of those, u can sign up for NA. pretty ignorant post. your points can be answered easily though: Comm won WCS China so he should be awarded a spot flying to the Code B qualifier is much more expensive then an online qualifier. china ping to europe is unplayable. na is laggy but seems somewhat ok considering how far comm went.
How is EU unplayable for the chinese? Its right below russia, Ur telling me the russians have bad ping to EU server?
Or you know this because you lived in china, and played sc2 there? Im pretty sure the chinese are closer to EU, than across the pacific all the way to america.
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On April 24 2013 07:28 t e a C h e r wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 07:26 Enders116 wrote:On April 24 2013 06:04 Nordom wrote:
A part from not being among the 24 invited players, I don't understand what is anti-chinese about a first come first serve 512 player bracket?
I agree that either the bracket should be bigger or have more of them, but I assume the chinese players had the same opportunity as anyone else to register as quick as possible or am I missing something? The main point you're missing is that no one with a valid Chinese social security number was formally invited to MLG premium league for wcs NA qualifiers. It is interesting to note that Team iG beat team EG in the acre team story cup with an all kill from iG.Jim, but the regulars like idra got invites to premium league. There are anywhere from 7-10 Chinese players that are GM on the Korean ladder at any time. Woah, team leagues don't count as points towards WCS, neither does ladder ( hence why Demuslim didnt get an invite, yah ur top of ladder, but if u dont have tournament results, why should u be awarded a spot?). If there are 7-10 chinese players that are GM on korea, why not fly to the code B qualifer? Why not sign up for Europe? then as a last resort, if u can't make any of those, u can sign up for NA.
It's rather surprising that the winner of WCS China didn't get a seed to WCS, while the winner of WCS Argentina did.
On April 24 2013 07:36 t e a C h e r wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 07:32 fleeze wrote:On April 24 2013 07:28 t e a C h e r wrote:On April 24 2013 07:26 Enders116 wrote:On April 24 2013 06:04 Nordom wrote:
A part from not being among the 24 invited players, I don't understand what is anti-chinese about a first come first serve 512 player bracket?
I agree that either the bracket should be bigger or have more of them, but I assume the chinese players had the same opportunity as anyone else to register as quick as possible or am I missing something? The main point you're missing is that no one with a valid Chinese social security number was formally invited to MLG premium league for wcs NA qualifiers. It is interesting to note that Team iG beat team EG in the acre team story cup with an all kill from iG.Jim, but the regulars like idra got invites to premium league. There are anywhere from 7-10 Chinese players that are GM on the Korean ladder at any time. Woah, team leagues don't count as points towards WCS, neither does ladder ( hence why Demuslim didnt get an invite, yah ur top of ladder, but if u dont have tournament results, why should u be awarded a spot?). If there are 7-10 chinese players that are GM on korea, why not fly to the code B qualifer? Why not sign up for Europe? then as a last resort, if u can't make any of those, u can sign up for NA. pretty ignorant post. your points can be answered easily though: Comm won WCS China so he should be awarded a spot flying to the Code B qualifier is much more expensive then an online qualifier. china ping to europe is unplayable. na is laggy but seems somewhat ok considering how far comm went. How is EU unplayable for the chinese? Its right below russia, Ur telling me the russians have bad ping to EU server? Or you know this because you lived in china, and played sc2 there? Im pretty sure the chinese are closer to EU, than across the pacific all the way to america.
Russia and China are huge countries. Population density in Russia is greatest in the West(the parts of Russia that are in Europe), while the Chinese are mostly living in the East.
If you played SC2 from Siberia you'd probably have massive ping problems on the EU server, even though that's 'in Russia.'
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On April 24 2013 07:36 t e a C h e r wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 07:32 fleeze wrote:On April 24 2013 07:28 t e a C h e r wrote:On April 24 2013 07:26 Enders116 wrote:On April 24 2013 06:04 Nordom wrote:
A part from not being among the 24 invited players, I don't understand what is anti-chinese about a first come first serve 512 player bracket?
I agree that either the bracket should be bigger or have more of them, but I assume the chinese players had the same opportunity as anyone else to register as quick as possible or am I missing something? The main point you're missing is that no one with a valid Chinese social security number was formally invited to MLG premium league for wcs NA qualifiers. It is interesting to note that Team iG beat team EG in the acre team story cup with an all kill from iG.Jim, but the regulars like idra got invites to premium league. There are anywhere from 7-10 Chinese players that are GM on the Korean ladder at any time. Woah, team leagues don't count as points towards WCS, neither does ladder ( hence why Demuslim didnt get an invite, yah ur top of ladder, but if u dont have tournament results, why should u be awarded a spot?). If there are 7-10 chinese players that are GM on korea, why not fly to the code B qualifer? Why not sign up for Europe? then as a last resort, if u can't make any of those, u can sign up for NA. pretty ignorant post. your points can be answered easily though: Comm won WCS China so he should be awarded a spot flying to the Code B qualifier is much more expensive then an online qualifier. china ping to europe is unplayable. na is laggy but seems somewhat ok considering how far comm went. How is EU unplayable for the chinese? Its right below russia, Ur telling me the russians have bad ping to EU server? Or you know this because you lived in china, and played sc2 there? Im pretty sure the chinese are closer to EU, than across the pacific all the way to america.
let me put it like this: it is known that china to europe ping is unplayable.
and btw: arguing geographically says eveything about your internet knowledge
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On April 24 2013 07:36 t e a C h e r wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 07:32 fleeze wrote:On April 24 2013 07:28 t e a C h e r wrote:On April 24 2013 07:26 Enders116 wrote:On April 24 2013 06:04 Nordom wrote:
A part from not being among the 24 invited players, I don't understand what is anti-chinese about a first come first serve 512 player bracket?
I agree that either the bracket should be bigger or have more of them, but I assume the chinese players had the same opportunity as anyone else to register as quick as possible or am I missing something? The main point you're missing is that no one with a valid Chinese social security number was formally invited to MLG premium league for wcs NA qualifiers. It is interesting to note that Team iG beat team EG in the acre team story cup with an all kill from iG.Jim, but the regulars like idra got invites to premium league. There are anywhere from 7-10 Chinese players that are GM on the Korean ladder at any time. Woah, team leagues don't count as points towards WCS, neither does ladder ( hence why Demuslim didnt get an invite, yah ur top of ladder, but if u dont have tournament results, why should u be awarded a spot?). If there are 7-10 chinese players that are GM on korea, why not fly to the code B qualifer? Why not sign up for Europe? then as a last resort, if u can't make any of those, u can sign up for NA. pretty ignorant post. your points can be answered easily though: Comm won WCS China so he should be awarded a spot flying to the Code B qualifier is much more expensive then an online qualifier. china ping to europe is unplayable. na is laggy but seems somewhat ok considering how far comm went. How is EU unplayable for the chinese? Its right below russia, Ur telling me the russians have bad ping to EU server? Or you know this because you lived in china, and played sc2 there? Im pretty sure the chinese are closer to EU, than across the pacific all the way to america.
errrrrrrrrrrrr...most Russians play from the Moscow/St. Petersberg or the surrounding areas, and those are very far away from China, and much closer to Europe lol.
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@_@ the whole WCS is a mess.
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On April 24 2013 07:36 t e a C h e r wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 07:32 fleeze wrote:On April 24 2013 07:28 t e a C h e r wrote:On April 24 2013 07:26 Enders116 wrote:On April 24 2013 06:04 Nordom wrote:
A part from not being among the 24 invited players, I don't understand what is anti-chinese about a first come first serve 512 player bracket?
I agree that either the bracket should be bigger or have more of them, but I assume the chinese players had the same opportunity as anyone else to register as quick as possible or am I missing something? The main point you're missing is that no one with a valid Chinese social security number was formally invited to MLG premium league for wcs NA qualifiers. It is interesting to note that Team iG beat team EG in the acre team story cup with an all kill from iG.Jim, but the regulars like idra got invites to premium league. There are anywhere from 7-10 Chinese players that are GM on the Korean ladder at any time. Woah, team leagues don't count as points towards WCS, neither does ladder ( hence why Demuslim didnt get an invite, yah ur top of ladder, but if u dont have tournament results, why should u be awarded a spot?). If there are 7-10 chinese players that are GM on korea, why not fly to the code B qualifer? Why not sign up for Europe? then as a last resort, if u can't make any of those, u can sign up for NA. pretty ignorant post. your points can be answered easily though: Comm won WCS China so he should be awarded a spot flying to the Code B qualifier is much more expensive then an online qualifier. china ping to europe is unplayable. na is laggy but seems somewhat ok considering how far comm went. How is EU unplayable for the chinese? Its right below russia, Ur telling me the russians have bad ping to EU server? Or you know this because you lived in china, and played sc2 there? Im pretty sure the chinese are closer to EU, than across the pacific all the way to america.
This might help:
Consider also most of the Euro people are in Western Europe, Chinese people in Eastern China.
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Nice article, well written! What happened is really unfortunate. From what I understand, they registered but 512+ people registered before them so even though the admin said they were ok to go, he meant they were checked in and wasn't confirming their placements. Also, I checked the rules of MLG and rules #4 and #6 say that a DQ can happen in a situation like with  Comm so unfortunate, if we stick to those rules, MLG is in the right. I think MLG should've at least given comm a seed and maybe one or two more players then put a certain point and league limit for the 512 spots followed by everyone else so that the game levels are high and pros get first choice but not much can be done now. Best to wait till the next tournament I guess.
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