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SCM.geauxsu
Profile Joined September 2011
United States56 Posts
April 23 2013 22:46 GMT
#41
On April 24 2013 06:47 xtruder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 06:39 Whitewing wrote:How many other players registered and checked in ahead of time but didn't get a spot?


I don't know but there's been Koreans who were checked in AFTER everyone else checked in and still got in.


proof plox?


User was warned for this post
wat
HeavyCross
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada21 Posts
April 23 2013 22:47 GMT
#42
I think investing in China is a huge opportunity for Blizzard and eSports as a a whole. They should really be receiving more attention and resources.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
April 23 2013 22:49 GMT
#43
On April 24 2013 07:46 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 06:47 xtruder wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:39 Whitewing wrote:How many other players registered and checked in ahead of time but didn't get a spot?


I don't know but there's been Koreans who were checked in AFTER everyone else checked in and still got in.


proof plox?

If I remember correctly there were 64 seeded slots within the qualifiers.
Like a Boss
Profile Joined January 2011
502 Posts
April 23 2013 22:49 GMT
#44
Great article, Blizzard really need to carefully choose the broadcasting companies they work with.
iggym
Profile Joined September 2012
United States49 Posts
April 23 2013 22:50 GMT
#45
In hindsight, it is very obvious that MLG should have directly seeded pro players into the bracket, or had at the least had priority registration for people above a certain threshold on the ladder.

However, the rules were very clearly laid out: your place in the bracket is determined by registration. I noticed and understood this rule even though I never had the slightest intention of registering. Yes, MLG absolutely should have done things differently from the beginning. Pro players should be on the ball enough to not get spots sniped out from under them by random players; registration did not fill in minutes, it filled in hours.

People are treating this like some conspiracy against Chinese pros, when it really wasn't... they just weren't there to sign up as registration opened. Maybe you can blame time zones, maybe you can blame a language barrier, but ultimately I think you have to blame the players for not understanding the rules and ESPECIALLY their teams for not conveying the rules to them.

OTOH, the DQ of Comm is just plain silly. Yeah, he broke a rule, but it's a rule that really, really did not need to be followed to the letter in this case.
SCM.geauxsu
Profile Joined September 2011
United States56 Posts
April 23 2013 22:51 GMT
#46
On April 24 2013 07:49 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 07:46 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:47 xtruder wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:39 Whitewing wrote:How many other players registered and checked in ahead of time but didn't get a spot?


I don't know but there's been Koreans who were checked in AFTER everyone else checked in and still got in.


proof plox?

If I remember correctly there were 64 seeded slots within the qualifiers.


Umm ok what does that have to do with Koreans showing up late and still being allowed to enter? That's what I want proof of.
wat
SnoLys
Profile Joined August 2011
149 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 22:54:39
April 23 2013 22:52 GMT
#47
On April 24 2013 07:46 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 06:47 xtruder wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:39 Whitewing wrote:How many other players registered and checked in ahead of time but didn't get a spot?


I don't know but there's been Koreans who were checked in AFTER everyone else checked in and still got in.


proof plox?


MLG Adam tweeted at TL saying that Zenio wasn't checked in, the hour of the tweet is after the hours of the messages between the Chinese players and the admins.

Edit:

Tweet at 22:26:


Conversation between Chinese players and admins at 22:17: http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044026usjmh8va8kccnaav.jpg
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
April 23 2013 22:53 GMT
#48
On April 24 2013 07:51 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 07:49 EtherealDeath wrote:
On April 24 2013 07:46 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:47 xtruder wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:39 Whitewing wrote:How many other players registered and checked in ahead of time but didn't get a spot?


I don't know but there's been Koreans who were checked in AFTER everyone else checked in and still got in.


proof plox?

If I remember correctly there were 64 seeded slots within the qualifiers.


Umm ok what does that have to do with Koreans showing up late and still being allowed to enter? That's what I want proof of.

Well, this is not anything I know the specifics about, however if they were seeded then I'm sure they didn't need to be one of the first to check in. They just needed to sign in and check in before the tournament starts.
That would make the most sense to me. If they had to be among the first 512 then it wouldn't really make sense because they are seeded... Their spots can't get given away.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
rice_devOurer
Profile Joined July 2012
United States773 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 22:55:27
April 23 2013 22:55 GMT
#49
On April 24 2013 06:29 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 06:27 Liman wrote:
Putting all aside I think Chinese government internet policies are cause of some problems here,this must not be forgotten.
MLG screw up badly.

Nothing to do with government policy here.

censorship = no global play = might have to borrow someone else's account
IN SOVIET RUSSIA ノ┬─┬ノ ︵ ( \o°o)\ Table Flips you
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
April 23 2013 22:56 GMT
#50
On April 24 2013 07:52 SnoLys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 07:46 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:47 xtruder wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:39 Whitewing wrote:How many other players registered and checked in ahead of time but didn't get a spot?


I don't know but there's been Koreans who were checked in AFTER everyone else checked in and still got in.


proof plox?


MLG Adam tweeted at TL saying that Zenio wasn't checked in, the hour of the tweet is after the hours of the messages between the Chinese players and the admins.

Edit:

Tweet at 22:26: https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/325646678428381186

Conversation between Chinese players and admins at 22:17: http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044026usjmh8va8kccnaav.jpg

They will do it better next time, don't worry.
By not publically tweeting things like that and instead doing it privately so we can't find out that they've just screwed over Chinese (and others) at the expense of massive favouratism to TL and the other big names.
HOLY CHECK!
SCM.geauxsu
Profile Joined September 2011
United States56 Posts
April 23 2013 22:59 GMT
#51
On April 24 2013 07:52 SnoLys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 07:46 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:47 xtruder wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:39 Whitewing wrote:How many other players registered and checked in ahead of time but didn't get a spot?


I don't know but there's been Koreans who were checked in AFTER everyone else checked in and still got in.


proof plox?


MLG Adam tweeted at TL saying that Zenio wasn't checked in, the hour of the tweet is after the hours of the messages between the Chinese players and the admins.

Edit:

Tweet at 22:26: https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/325646678428381186

Conversation between Chinese players and admins at 22:17: http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044026usjmh8va8kccnaav.jpg


tyty! That's all I needed.

On April 24 2013 07:53 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 07:51 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
On April 24 2013 07:49 EtherealDeath wrote:
On April 24 2013 07:46 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:47 xtruder wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:39 Whitewing wrote:How many other players registered and checked in ahead of time but didn't get a spot?


I don't know but there's been Koreans who were checked in AFTER everyone else checked in and still got in.


proof plox?

If I remember correctly there were 64 seeded slots within the qualifiers.


Umm ok what does that have to do with Koreans showing up late and still being allowed to enter? That's what I want proof of.

Well, this is not anything I know the specifics about, however if they were seeded then I'm sure they didn't need to be one of the first to check in. They just needed to sign in and check in before the tournament starts.
That would make the most sense to me. If they had to be among the first 512 then it wouldn't really make sense because they are seeded... Their spots can't get given away.


I figured the poster who I was originally replying to meant open bracket players, I wasn't really thinking about seeded players. I see your point tho
wat
MadProbe
Profile Joined February 2012
United States269 Posts
April 23 2013 22:59 GMT
#52
apparently jim was rank 1 kr gm. he would have qualified easily.
DeathProfessor
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1052 Posts
April 23 2013 22:59 GMT
#53
China is almost as big as the US at this point, they could just make their own China only tournament right? Or would Blizzard sue them?
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
April 23 2013 23:01 GMT
#54
On April 24 2013 07:52 SnoLys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 07:46 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:47 xtruder wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:39 Whitewing wrote:How many other players registered and checked in ahead of time but didn't get a spot?


I don't know but there's been Koreans who were checked in AFTER everyone else checked in and still got in.


proof plox?


MLG Adam tweeted at TL saying that Zenio wasn't checked in, the hour of the tweet is after the hours of the messages between the Chinese players and the admins.

Edit:

Tweet at 22:26: https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/325646678428381186

Conversation between Chinese players and admins at 22:17: http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044026usjmh8va8kccnaav.jpg


Holy Fuck!

This is a "fuck you China" from MLG and cannot be done with just an apology. Amends have to be made and they have to have substance.
iggym
Profile Joined September 2012
United States49 Posts
April 23 2013 23:02 GMT
#55
On April 24 2013 07:52 SnoLys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 07:46 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:47 xtruder wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:39 Whitewing wrote:How many other players registered and checked in ahead of time but didn't get a spot?


I don't know but there's been Koreans who were checked in AFTER everyone else checked in and still got in.


proof plox?


MLG Adam tweeted at TL saying that Zenio wasn't checked in, the hour of the tweet is after the hours of the messages between the Chinese players and the admins.

Edit:

Tweet at 22:26: https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/325646678428381186

Conversation between Chinese players and admins at 22:17: http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044026usjmh8va8kccnaav.jpg


Again, check-in time was irrelevant. If a player checked in at all, even if it was seconds before check-in closed, then they had the possibility to be entered into the bracket. Whether they made it in depended on registration time.

I don't know if there were some pro players given exceptions, but even some silver scrub could have checked in after the Chinese players and gotten in above them, provided the silver scrub had registered before them.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
April 23 2013 23:02 GMT
#56
On April 24 2013 07:59 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 07:52 SnoLys wrote:
On April 24 2013 07:46 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:47 xtruder wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:39 Whitewing wrote:How many other players registered and checked in ahead of time but didn't get a spot?


I don't know but there's been Koreans who were checked in AFTER everyone else checked in and still got in.


proof plox?


MLG Adam tweeted at TL saying that Zenio wasn't checked in, the hour of the tweet is after the hours of the messages between the Chinese players and the admins.

Edit:

Tweet at 22:26: https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/325646678428381186

Conversation between Chinese players and admins at 22:17: http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044026usjmh8va8kccnaav.jpg


tyty! That's all I needed.

Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 07:53 Shinta) wrote:
On April 24 2013 07:51 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
On April 24 2013 07:49 EtherealDeath wrote:
On April 24 2013 07:46 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:47 xtruder wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:39 Whitewing wrote:How many other players registered and checked in ahead of time but didn't get a spot?


I don't know but there's been Koreans who were checked in AFTER everyone else checked in and still got in.


proof plox?

If I remember correctly there were 64 seeded slots within the qualifiers.


Umm ok what does that have to do with Koreans showing up late and still being allowed to enter? That's what I want proof of.

Well, this is not anything I know the specifics about, however if they were seeded then I'm sure they didn't need to be one of the first to check in. They just needed to sign in and check in before the tournament starts.
That would make the most sense to me. If they had to be among the first 512 then it wouldn't really make sense because they are seeded... Their spots can't get given away.


I figured the poster who I was originally replying to meant open bracket players, I wasn't really thinking about seeded players. I see your point tho

I meant I recall there being 64 seeded spots within the 512 person open bracket, many of those slots going to known Koreans, so they were guaranteed a spot regardless of signup time.
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
April 23 2013 23:03 GMT
#57
On April 24 2013 07:52 SnoLys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 07:46 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:47 xtruder wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:39 Whitewing wrote:How many other players registered and checked in ahead of time but didn't get a spot?


I don't know but there's been Koreans who were checked in AFTER everyone else checked in and still got in.


proof plox?


MLG Adam tweeted at TL saying that Zenio wasn't checked in, the hour of the tweet is after the hours of the messages between the Chinese players and the admins.

Edit:

Tweet at 22:26: https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/325646678428381186

Conversation between Chinese players and admins at 22:17: http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044026usjmh8va8kccnaav.jpg

The rules mention that if there are more than 512 players, it's first come first served based on registration time, not check-in time.
My question for MLG - there were 64 reserved slots for the qualifier. Who were they assigned to? These chinese players should have received them (assuming they did register too late).
Desiderium
Profile Joined May 2011
Belgium29 Posts
April 23 2013 23:11 GMT
#58
Very good write-up, thanks for the backstory.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
April 23 2013 23:21 GMT
#59
On April 24 2013 07:52 SnoLys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 07:46 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:47 xtruder wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:39 Whitewing wrote:How many other players registered and checked in ahead of time but didn't get a spot?


I don't know but there's been Koreans who were checked in AFTER everyone else checked in and still got in.


proof plox?


MLG Adam tweeted at TL saying that Zenio wasn't checked in, the hour of the tweet is after the hours of the messages between the Chinese players and the admins.

Edit:

Tweet at 22:26: https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/325646678428381186

Conversation between Chinese players and admins at 22:17: http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044026usjmh8va8kccnaav.jpg


How do this contribute to what the OP is trying to accomplish? The Chinese players are mature enough to over look all this, and only ask for future cooperation between Chinese Esport and mlg/blizzard by letting the western world understand what's going on in the Chinese scene so there would be a mutual understanding instead of bigotry. Time to put down the torches and rebuild over the ashes of this fail.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 23 2013 23:22 GMT
#60
On April 24 2013 08:01 Fenrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 07:52 SnoLys wrote:
On April 24 2013 07:46 SCM.geauxsu wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:47 xtruder wrote:
On April 24 2013 06:39 Whitewing wrote:How many other players registered and checked in ahead of time but didn't get a spot?


I don't know but there's been Koreans who were checked in AFTER everyone else checked in and still got in.


proof plox?


MLG Adam tweeted at TL saying that Zenio wasn't checked in, the hour of the tweet is after the hours of the messages between the Chinese players and the admins.

Edit:

Tweet at 22:26: https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/325646678428381186

Conversation between Chinese players and admins at 22:17: http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044026usjmh8va8kccnaav.jpg


Holy Fuck!

This is a "fuck you China" from MLG and cannot be done with just an apology. Amends have to be made and they have to have substance.



Not like MLG Admins haven't shown favoritism before. I've read quite a few blogs where players have voiced their anxieties with regard to similar situations when it came to showing up on-time/late and receiving information.
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