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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On April 23 2013 09:33 Vlare wrote: Oh god... All this wait for a patch and we get this. Disappointed doesn't even begin to describe my feelings. Hope they fix Protoss while they fix zerg. But... balance isn't bad right now. :/ I'm glad the changes aren't too drastic, but I'm curious as to the oracle speed increase. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On April 23 2013 15:00 convention wrote: So oracles should be risky while terran drops are no longer risky? Also, if most players aren't going to get burrow because of how useless it will be, then why not give it a slight buff? If I see it in 2% of the allins, then it was worth the buff because otherwise I would never see it at all. Did I say anything about the Medivac speed boosts being good? I think they are TERRIBLE for the exact same reasons given under Oracle. Just because one race has a stupidly overpowered speed unit doesnt mean every other race should get one too .... USE YOUR COMMON SENSE please next time ... On April 23 2013 15:35 kubiks wrote: Terran got no free units ? What is your definition of "free units" ? Because I count 3 : mules (it's a unit that can be spawned for enregy), raven turrets and pdd.... MULE and PDD do not attack TURRET is a building - which means it is immobile - and thus technically "not a unit". Sure it can fight, but unlike the Infested Terran it requires free space on the building grid and is far harder to use compared to anything Zerg has. On April 23 2013 15:41 NEEDZMOAR wrote: Theres no such thing as a free unit however there are units you spend resources on and they gain cost efficiency over time... oh wait.. thats every unit... Wow ... we are lying to ourselves, eh? A unit is something that has HIT POINTS, MOVES and ATTACKS. Broodlings spawned by a Broodlord do not cost resources and thus are FREE UNITS. Sure they require the resource "time", but the most annoying part of them is that they BLOCK THE PATH of ground units trying to reach the Broodlord. It is the same for the other "free units" from Zerg which cost neither minerals nor gas. On April 23 2013 15:55 Liquid`Ret wrote: wtf is a burrow change. I think blizzard maybe only watches GSL/GSTL because everywhere else terran is raping the shit out of everything, and in Korea the only thing that sometimes works is the same old 2/2 muta ling bane timing lol, and even there terran is dominating overall. Lucifron, Happy, ForGG, Dayshi, Heromarine are all amazing players who deserve to win almost every teamleague and tournament they enter over everybody else. If you watch any of the popular terran streams (Demuslim/Byun/Polt) you simply don't see them lose. wtf is a burrow change seriously Obviously they try to fix one broken thing (speedvacs) by adding another broken thing (speedOracles). | ||
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Bahajinbo
Germany488 Posts
Oracles can be buffed, but what about slight widow mines & speed medivacs nerfs? They are the worst thing at the moment. Besides that, the balance is pretty okay right now. | ||
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dirtydurb82
United States178 Posts
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Xahhk
Canada540 Posts
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Tosster
Poland299 Posts
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Wertheron
France439 Posts
Currently transition into infest is too difficult. If you have the same economy and want to transition into infestor against muta, you have to paid (let's say for 4 infest): 150g+150g+400g (for 4 infest)=700g, it's 7 muta. You have to defend against an opponent with +7 muta during 180 sc sec (90s for bat roach, 40 sec for mid Pathogen Glands -when you start produce infest, and infestor production). That's really difficult if the guy want to pressure hard  It happens for other transition too, so ZvZ become just a muta fest where you can have mutavsmuta during 1h :p | ||
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BillGates
471 Posts
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NKB
United Kingdom608 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
These proposed changes make me sad, but at least they want to do something about zvz, even if I think their proposal is bad. | ||
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On April 23 2013 15:55 Liquid`Ret wrote: wtf is a burrow change. I think blizzard maybe only watches GSL/GSTL because everywhere else terran is raping the shit out of everything, and in Korea the only thing that sometimes works is the same old 2/2 muta ling bane timing lol, and even there terran is dominating overall. Lucifron, Happy, ForGG, Dayshi, Heromarine are all amazing players who deserve to win almost every teamleague and tournament they enter over everybody else. If you watch any of the popular terran streams (Demuslim/Byun/Polt) you simply don't see them lose. wtf is a burrow change seriously Perhaps they do not meet the top zergs on the ladder. The good ones who compete online do not seem to be that worried with balance after all...  Nerchio wins GO4SC2 #281 (7th April) with Liquid Snute as runner-up Hyun won ZOTAC NA #97 (13th April) Liquid TLO, won ZOTAC EU #152 (14th April) Liquid Snute won ZOTAC EU #153 (21st April) with Nerchio as the runner-up. sYz wins GO4SC2 #285 (21th April) with TomikuS as runner-upThis does not look all that bad to me  | ||
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Tosster
Poland299 Posts
On April 23 2013 19:50 BillGates wrote: Good potential changes, though I would have liked to see Void Rays being nerfed slightly. Maybe remove the bonus damage against armored. Wtf, they would be useless... | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On April 23 2013 20:05 scypio wrote: Perhaps they do not meet the top zergs on the ladder. The good ones who compete online do not seem to be that worried with balance after all... Nerchio wins GO4SC2 #281 (7th April) with Liquid Snute as runner-up Hyun won ZOTAC NA #97 (13th April) Liquid TLO, won ZOTAC EU #152 (14th April) Liquid Snute won ZOTAC EU #153 (21st April) with Nerchio as the runner-up. sYz wins GO4SC2 #285 (21th April) with TomikuS as runner-upThis does not look all that bad to me The problem is that the "lazy" zergs feel offended and they want their easy wol times back. You got to work for your win now as zerg, and I'm actually liking that, sorry. Widow mines finally make zergs micro too, so tvz is now micro vs micro, which is awesome. And to ret: - Demuslim didn't even qualify for WCS NA, so yes, he is losing. - Polt was dominating in wol, and he is now dominating in hots. He is just good. Same for byun. | ||
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kubiks
France1328 Posts
Anyway wp parting, didn't saw the all-in coming | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
On April 23 2013 20:16 Snowbear wrote: The problem is that the "lazy" zergs feel offended and they want their easy wol times back. You got to work for your win now as zerg, and I'm actually liking that, sorry. Widow mines finally make zergs micro too, so tvz is now micro vs micro, which is awesome. And to ret: - Demuslim didn't even qualify for WCS NA, so yes, he is losing. - Polt was dominating in wol, and he is now dominating in hots. He is just good. Same for byun. he effing beat JD 2-0 and barely lost to revival, lol. | ||
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Rainmansc
Netherlands216 Posts
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On April 23 2013 20:19 Rainmansc wrote: I dont understand how they are not thinking about fixing hellbath drops =o Hellbats shouldn't be able to get healed imo | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On April 23 2013 15:55 Liquid`Ret wrote: . Lucifron, Happy, ForGG, Dayshi, Heromarine are all amazing players Yep, they definitely are. Especially the first 3. Nice whining | ||
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