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TLADT24920 Posts
This is disappointing. While I agree that rules are important, there are always exceptions to rules and I think this is one of those cases. It's bad enough that it was a first who signs up so that even lower league players can play in it with no chance of winning but if they wanted it to be like that, at least make sure to let in some of the Chinese players and give priority like GOM does for qualifiers(ESF, KeSPA and 300+ KR master players then everyone else). This way, everyone who is a pro gets a chance to participate since this is what they are training for and all the other spots will go to those who are interested in trying to see how far they get then everyone below whatever limit they set. I'm going to wait for an official statement to see what happens next.
On April 22 2013 15:26 Type|NarutO wrote:
Actually a aingle person with a brain could have run a better tournament.
cmon, making such comments won't change the outcome. I doubt they will be reading every reply in this thread anyways and mistakes happen. It's what they do that to fix them that either breaks or makes a company imo so let's just wait and see.
On April 22 2013 15:39 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 15:36 Daswollvieh wrote:
Correct me if I´m wrong. So, Comm was declined a spot in the qualifier and then he secretly played on another account, because he didn´t care for the organizer´s decision. I don´t know how that is cool.
There is another thread about MLG screwing over the Chinese players who had registered on tiem and weren't put into the brackets by MLG. MLG screwed up by not having Comm in the brackets in the first place when he rightfully should have been anyway, either as a legitimately registered user, or because he's the damned WCS China champion.
For the record and from what I understand, they signed in but it was the first 512 who sign up and they weren't in that 512 so they weren't given a spot which is why the admin said that they are signed in but they weren't in the bracket. Since I made it confusing lol, here's what I mean:
Register -> sign in -> play
If you register within 512 and make sure to sign in within 2 hours of WCS starting, you get to play. If you register after 512 people have and sign in, you don't get to play so they registered and signed in but more than 512 people have registered by the time they did so it doesn't matter if they signed in or not.
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Russian Federation823 Posts
So many things went wrong here, this is such a disrespect from MLGs side, just unbelievable. I will boycott them for now, unless they sort things out.
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such a shame, this is ridiculous and unacceptable!
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what D: I love the Chinese/Taiwan scene Q_Q they have like their own meta game D: I must admit its somewhat MLG their fault but I think Blizzard could have done something for the Asian non Korean country;s and Oceania  And without mlg esport wouldn't be what it is now 
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People want esports to be mainstream? Not with such a joke organization like mlg. Those qualifiers are one big JOKE and there wasn't a single sorry from MLG. The problem with chinese players is just so fking unprofessional, I'm not surprised people are mad...
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On April 22 2013 15:39 BigFan wrote:
This is disappointing. While I agree that rules are important, there are always exceptions to rules and I think this is one of those cases. It's bad enough that it was a first who signs up so that even lower league players can play in it with no chance of winning but if they wanted it to be like that, at least make sure to let in some of the Chinese players and give priority like GOM does for qualifiers(ESF, KeSPA and 300+ KR master players then everyone else). This way, everyone who is a pro gets a chance to participate since this is what they are training for and all the other spots will go to those who are interested in trying to see how far they get then everyone below whatever limit they set. I'm going to wait for an official statement to see what happens next.
Hay anybody actually checked with the actual wording of the rules? As far as I know, it said that players MAY be disqualified, so the MLG could have turned a blind eye to this one without contradicting their rules... So MLG actively made the decision to disqualify Comm, it was no automatic consequence from the rules.
here's the source: http://gamebattles.majorleaguegaming.com/pc/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty/tournament/wcs-america-season-1-qualifyin/rules
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TLADT24920 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:01 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 15:39 BigFan wrote:
This is disappointing. While I agree that rules are important, there are always exceptions to rules and I think this is one of those cases. It's bad enough that it was a first who signs up so that even lower league players can play in it with no chance of winning but if they wanted it to be like that, at least make sure to let in some of the Chinese players and give priority like GOM does for qualifiers(ESF, KeSPA and 300+ KR master players then everyone else). This way, everyone who is a pro gets a chance to participate since this is what they are training for and all the other spots will go to those who are interested in trying to see how far they get then everyone below whatever limit they set. I'm going to wait for an official statement to see what happens next. Hay anybody actually checked with the actual wording of the rules? As far as I know, it said that players MAY be disqualified, so the MLG could have turned a blind eye to this one without contradicting their rules... So MLG actively made the decision to disqualify Comm, it was no automatic consequence from the rules. here's the source: http://gamebattles.majorleaguegaming.com/pc/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty/tournament/wcs-america-season-1-qualifyin/rules
I think Plansix did and explained it earlier
"Individuals may not use another Player’s Battle.net Account in the WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament."
Rule #4
Then
"Breaking any of General Rules #1-5 may result in a Forfeit of the Game and/or disqualification from the WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament."
Rule #6
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On April 22 2013 16:04 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 16:01 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 22 2013 15:39 BigFan wrote:
This is disappointing. While I agree that rules are important, there are always exceptions to rules and I think this is one of those cases. It's bad enough that it was a first who signs up so that even lower league players can play in it with no chance of winning but if they wanted it to be like that, at least make sure to let in some of the Chinese players and give priority like GOM does for qualifiers(ESF, KeSPA and 300+ KR master players then everyone else). This way, everyone who is a pro gets a chance to participate since this is what they are training for and all the other spots will go to those who are interested in trying to see how far they get then everyone below whatever limit they set. I'm going to wait for an official statement to see what happens next. Hay anybody actually checked with the actual wording of the rules? As far as I know, it said that players MAY be disqualified, so the MLG could have turned a blind eye to this one without contradicting their rules... So MLG actively made the decision to disqualify Comm, it was no automatic consequence from the rules. here's the source: http://gamebattles.majorleaguegaming.com/pc/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty/tournament/wcs-america-season-1-qualifyin/rules I think Plansix did and explained it earlier
Ah, thx. Sory I just woke up, will check on it later! ~
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TLADT24920 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:05 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 16:04 BigFan wrote:On April 22 2013 16:01 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 22 2013 15:39 BigFan wrote:
This is disappointing. While I agree that rules are important, there are always exceptions to rules and I think this is one of those cases. It's bad enough that it was a first who signs up so that even lower league players can play in it with no chance of winning but if they wanted it to be like that, at least make sure to let in some of the Chinese players and give priority like GOM does for qualifiers(ESF, KeSPA and 300+ KR master players then everyone else). This way, everyone who is a pro gets a chance to participate since this is what they are training for and all the other spots will go to those who are interested in trying to see how far they get then everyone below whatever limit they set. I'm going to wait for an official statement to see what happens next. Hay anybody actually checked with the actual wording of the rules? As far as I know, it said that players MAY be disqualified, so the MLG could have turned a blind eye to this one without contradicting their rules... So MLG actively made the decision to disqualify Comm, it was no automatic consequence from the rules. here's the source: http://gamebattles.majorleaguegaming.com/pc/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty/tournament/wcs-america-season-1-qualifyin/rules I think Plansix did and explained it earlier Ah, thx. Sory I just woke up, will check on it later! ~
check up^ lol
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Alright people. I think we need Comm fanclub. Anyone up for it?
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On April 22 2013 16:06 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 16:05 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 22 2013 16:04 BigFan wrote:On April 22 2013 16:01 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 22 2013 15:39 BigFan wrote:
This is disappointing. While I agree that rules are important, there are always exceptions to rules and I think this is one of those cases. It's bad enough that it was a first who signs up so that even lower league players can play in it with no chance of winning but if they wanted it to be like that, at least make sure to let in some of the Chinese players and give priority like GOM does for qualifiers(ESF, KeSPA and 300+ KR master players then everyone else). This way, everyone who is a pro gets a chance to participate since this is what they are training for and all the other spots will go to those who are interested in trying to see how far they get then everyone below whatever limit they set. I'm going to wait for an official statement to see what happens next. Hay anybody actually checked with the actual wording of the rules? As far as I know, it said that players MAY be disqualified, so the MLG could have turned a blind eye to this one without contradicting their rules... So MLG actively made the decision to disqualify Comm, it was no automatic consequence from the rules. here's the source: http://gamebattles.majorleaguegaming.com/pc/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty/tournament/wcs-america-season-1-qualifyin/rules I think Plansix did and explained it earlier Ah, thx. Sory I just woke up, will check on it later! ~ check up^ lol
I think JustPassingBy is right. The rules like you posted, stated "may" result in DQ.
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On April 22 2013 15:39 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 15:26 Type|NarutO wrote:
Actually a aingle person with a brain could have run a better tournament. cmon, making such comments won't change the outcome. I doubt they will be reading every reply in this thread anyways and mistakes happen. It's what they do that to fix them that either breaks or makes a company imo so let's just wait and see.
I wrote multiple long(er) replies and I've supported MLG where I could in the past. Even if I thought their prices were not especially fair or reasonable, I think the entertainment value was okay and the games were good. Technical difficulties / stream lags are issues I am very well aware of can happen, but this qualifier is not anything you could potentially back up, with anything.
No ruleset does get you out of 'I fucked up terribly'
Really I am sorry but in the end I am tired to argue against some kids here that write 'oh lol a Chinese got banned, deal with it, just another noname' or something along those lines. Its not like MLG run the qualifier poorly, I really could say fuck it and move on if it was about delay or probably a re-match decision that was bad, but this is about mistakes that completely render this qualifier void. Hyun knocked out people while he shouldn't be playing at all. Comm knocked out one round before qualifying and knocked out tons of people on the way.
They confirmed people access to the tournament/participation and then didn't put them in the bracket. They ran a 512 man bracket what should have been either an unlimited bracket (because everyone deserves a shot, even if they are bad) OR they make damn sure that at least every top player gets in.
Really I don't mean to mindlessly bash anyone, but for that matter, its really the case that 1 single person could have run a better tournament
On chinese people: They were confirmed 'ready to go' for the tournament by an Admin, so MLG basically cheated them out.
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On April 22 2013 16:15 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 15:39 BigFan wrote:On April 22 2013 15:26 Type|NarutO wrote:
Actually a aingle person with a brain could have run a better tournament. cmon, making such comments won't change the outcome. I doubt they will be reading every reply in this thread anyways and mistakes happen. It's what they do that to fix them that either breaks or makes a company imo so let's just wait and see. I wrote multiple long(er) replies and I've supported MLG where I could in the past. Even if I thought their prices were not especially fair or reasonable, I think the entertainment value was okay and the games were good. Technical difficulties / stream lags are issues I am very well aware of can happen, but this qualifier is not anything you could potentially back up, with anything. No ruleset does get you out of 'I fucked up terribly' Really I am sorry but in the end I am tired to argue against some kids here that write 'oh lol a Chinese got banned, deal with it, just another noname' or something along those lines. Its not like MLG run the qualifier poorly, I really could say fuck it and move on if it was about delay or probably a re-match decision that was bad, but this is about mistakes that completely render this qualifier void. Hyun knocked out people while he shouldn't be playing at all. Comm knocked out one round before qualifying and knocked out tons of people on the way. They confirmed people access to the tournament/participation and then didn't put them in the bracket. They ran a 512 man bracket what should have been either an unlimited bracket (because everyone deserves a shot, even if they are bad) OR they make damn sure that at least every top player gets in. Really I don't mean to mindlessly bash anyone, but for that matter, its really the case that 1 single person could have run a better tournament On chinese people: They were confirmed 'ready to go' for the tournament by an Admin, so MLG basically cheated them out.
I completely agree with you, its completely unaccaptable what MLG did.
Im not going to watch MLG or whatever tournament they will make. Make the fucking free market so i can choose the product. Ah sorry its blizzard exclusive deals
Gogo NASL!
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
This is absolutely ridiculous
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letting diamond players in, cheaters, and people who are not even ABLE to play (hyun) seems they just auto filled brackets not cared progamers were let out ... pros first then amateurs sry thats the way who do it,
disqualify the winner of WCS china is so ... sry i have to say RETARDED ... and then DQ him when he finds a spot ... thats not acceptable,
usa went korea B so i will watch korea and eu and boykott us
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I don't think this is a thread to argue whether the Chinese should have been included in the field... based on the other thread and the evidence available it seems like they should've been for sure, and that is a fault of MLG's.
Going back solely to the issue of whether Comm should've been DQ'ed... I think the answer is clear that he should'e been - the rules do not permit for smurfing and it was an obvious, intentional error by Comm. In that case I think MLG did the right thing.
In the future it shouldn't happen because MLG should've had the Chinese players included (or the admin properly explaining that they checked in too late).
Ideally, I'd like to see a $5 fee so the field doesn't get littered with trash. But people complained about that so who knows.
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I just wanna clarify the screenshot clearly said ready to go. Let me explain to MLG what this means in the english language. For example when your in a rollercoaster and you hear the driver say ready to go, you're about to actually ride it. Nobody is going to shout ready to go if you you are IN THE LINE TO QUEUE for the rollercoaster.
How can sundance be so ignorant to argue they were in the line. This is just absurd...
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I think there's too much anger directed towards MLG over their decision to take action on a rule break (rule #4 as Plansix points out). Had they asked an admin if Comm could substitute in the first place they probably could have avoided the problem.
I could understand being disappointed that MLG's setup allowed a player like Comm to slip through, but anger over making good on their preset rules seems absurd.
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I imagine Incontrol telling the story of how Sundance comes out and says: "Alright, I get it. Our tournament sucks. IT SUCKS! I get it, okay. We are like the shaved hairs of donkey balls..."
In the end of the day, we may protest a lot about a bunch of stuff around this tournament, but that of course doesn't take away from the results of those who fairly and squarely made it through a difficult bracket and to a very respectable spot.
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Also - correct me if I am wrong - if this had been the ESL qualifier, we would have - even if some people only perceive it as hollow words - an detailed apology from high up by now. Instead we have tweets from Sundance defending his crew and claiming all accusations as wild and misinformed...
edit: did he delete the "rules are there for a reason" tweet which I have seen cited in this thread without notice...?
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