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On April 22 2013 16:34 urashimakt wrote:
I think there's too much anger directed towards MLG over their decision to take action on a rule break (rule #4 as Plansix points out). Had they asked an admin if Comm could substitute in the first place they probably could have avoided the problem.
I could understand being disappointed that MLG's setup allowed a player like Comm to slip through, but anger over making good on their preset rules seems absurd.
The point is there was no malicious intent involved at all and the rules explicitly state that it is NOT an automatic disqualification, merely that it MIGHT be. This means that MLG actively decided to DQ him even when the option was there not to and still be within the rules. The fact that MLG chose to DQ him in the position he was in is ridiculous.
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USA, USA, USA. Mooooooooooaaaaaaaar law and order please!
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Rules should be taken into context depending upon the situation, this is messed up situation and MLG should admit fault, take responsibility, and do the honourable thing and reinstate him while making it abundantly clear smurfing isn't tolerated and they don't condone it, but in this case, circumstances dictate they can make an exception due to it being the first year, technical difficulties etc it's not so hard, just takes at least one big ball
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On April 22 2013 16:34 urashimakt wrote:
I think there's too much anger directed towards MLG over their decision to take action on a rule break (rule #4 as Plansix points out). Had they asked an admin if Comm could substitute in the first place they probably could have avoided the problem.
I could understand being disappointed that MLG's setup allowed a player like Comm to slip through, but anger over making good on their preset rules seems absurd.
The preset rules state clearly that there is decision to be made by admin, and we all agree that letting Comm stay would be actually partially fixing their earlier fuck up with scrubs taking place proplayers spots.
But this was just a drop in Sea of stupidness
Im not going to support an organizer, who thinks he can put ONE 512 bracket with
-no skill restrictions
-weird sign-up priority
- fixed hours, and not only fixed hours but with huge difference, making everyone go apeshit
More
- im not going to support organizer who does not give a shit, whether an Code S player is already knocking down their players
or a freaking cheater is doing the same
both of these information were easily available at hand before the tournament even started
I wish incompetance would stop at this.
The main problem is, Blizzard wants to NA to grow, and they failed to realize that qualifier is the most important piece of the puzzle, you may say that for most of us the finals are the most important as they bring the most fancy stuff. But for the scene, for players which are the future, qualifiers are not doubt the most important.
We arrived at the point that this qualifer is already invalid. A qualifer drawn on paper without stream would be better. Because it would at least be a testimony to skill which is the priority for "Code S" right? As opposite to the one which had silver scrubs denying pro-players spot.
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Blizz should set up wcs in other regions, then if they want ammature players playing in wcs, they should have limit it to their own region, This would achieve their goal in promoting new talents as well as give players from other regions to compete in their own
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On April 22 2013 15:38 Befree wrote:
I'm a little confused on the backlash on the disqualification. The fact that he didn't get seeded or registered is irrelevant to this point. It doesn't matter if he should have been in the tournament.
They should have spoken to MLG before the qualifiers about the swap. It is completely obvious that you can't just allow players on their own to trade spots with no communication or regulation. It's not Comm's fault he wasn't invited, but it is definitely his fault he was disqualified.
Save your "disgusting" comments for the registration system, not the DQ.
I disagree.
First they dont get all the seats they deserve.
Then they deside to let their best player try to qualify.
They are completely open about the fact that its Comm that is playing, and that Comm has all the intentions to keep on playing. He doesnt just play to let fruitbasket qualify, so that Fruitbasket can play in "Code S".
The organiser should be thankfull that the Chinese "solved" this themself, without any malisious intentions. They should be thankfull that the WCS China Champion is actually playing, instead of not being able to play due to the bracket system.
Instead of this, he gets desqualified.
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Comm was the winner of WCS China 2012. Why wasn't he directly seeded into the premier league to begin with? How did he not get even one of the 64 qualifier seeds reserved for progamers?
The whole tournament just feels illegitimate to me now. How about all the people that Comm knocked down on the way? It's easy to say "life's not fair" when you don't give a damn about the players being affected. Me, I was really looking forward to seeing how the Chinese players stack up against the international scene, and having that ruined by ridiculous tournament rules is really frustrating.
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The rules were only broken because mlg fucked up in the first place by excluding pro gamers from qualifying although they were confirmed to play by a mlg admin.
If they hadnt broken their word then comm wouldnt have to use another account to participate. Thats a solution to the problem mlg created but mlg says fuck solutions, rules are more important
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well maybe we should make the difference between one or few MLG admins and MLG itself .. shouldn't we ?
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On April 22 2013 17:17 E.L.V.I.S wrote:
well maybe we should make the difference between one or few MLG admins and MLG itself .. shouldn't we ?
MLG as organization should be responsible for their admins actions. They do pick them. Also, this cannot be written of as 'admins were bad, deal with it'
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Blizzard has messed it up all once again, just like they have done in all their new games recently TT
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btw just saying but I remember playing some of the EU mlg qualifiers and the admins were really competent, fair and nice
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On April 22 2013 17:17 E.L.V.I.S wrote:
well maybe we should make the difference between one or few MLG admins and MLG itself .. shouldn't we ?
Admins represent organization. Organization is responsible for the actions that it's admins do when acting as representatives for the tournament. They are basically the same thing from the point of view of this issue.
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On April 22 2013 17:21 E.L.V.I.S wrote:
btw just saying but I remember playing some of the EU mlg qualifiers and the admins were really competent, fair and nice
They sure sounded nice, competent and fair in the screen shots too.
Just the result was a bit f u in the face for the cChinese players
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This is just fucking ridiculous. Why the hell is the chinese WCS champion not in the bracket in the first place and some random diamond players are?
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srsly MLG, 512 players tournament is utterly retarded..
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Fruitbasket does an awesome thing and really helps a guy out...
And the guy gets DQ'd anyway. Spirit of the law, not letter, is always the way to go.
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It's unfortunate what happened during registration, but two wrongs don't make a right. At the very least, if you're going to attempt to do this, you need to contact the appropriate admins well before you go through with it. As unfair as it was to the Chinese players in regards to their registration problems, it's also incredibly unfair to the players that Comm played against under the name Fruitsbasket.
I really don't get how there can be so many people supporting what Comm did. Unless he contacted all his potential opponents well in advance and notified them of who he was, it's incredibly unfair.
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On April 22 2013 18:04 Brian333 wrote:
It's unfortunate what happened during registration, but two wrongs don't make a right. At the very least, if you're going to attempt to do this, you need to contact the appropriate admins well before you go through with it. As unfair as it was to the Chinese players in regards to their registration problems, it's also incredibly unfair to the players that Comm played against under the name Fruitsbasket.
I really don't get how there can be so many people supporting what Comm did. Unless he contacted all his potential opponents well in advance and notified them of who he was, it's incredibly unfair.
As opposed to people who went under the name: "Yoloswag420"?
There was no reason to DQ the guy. Warn him, punish him, whatever. But DQing?
I thought, and still think, that this whole WCS system will be good for the scene... but they really need to step up their game. This qualifier was pathetic.
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