On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
No，he used this account from the very beginning.This is only anonymity.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Except he said he played from beginning cause he didn't get a spot in the first place.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Ok so he played from the beginning, but he also said it wasn't his account. Rules are rules for a reason. It sucks he didn't get registered in first 512 and check in, but life will go on. Live and learn. MLG definitely will
On April 22 2013 07:07 Canucklehead wrote: This is a black eye on the NA esports scene. MLG does a great job doing offline events, but they did an awful job of running this qualifier. It was amateur hour and a clown show.
Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
I thought the manager contacted MLG way before hand?
Not for either from my understanding. PhysicalLee was reported last night after he played Catz and everyone went "Holy shit, Physicallee is playing. His team just called him out for hacking this week. He is stupid." To be fair to MLG, I noticed the name to, but did not make the connection until it was pointed out. I think my brain refused to believe someone could be that stupid.
Hyun was weird and I think he signed up and MGL just didn't notice because they assumed that anyone who tried out for code A wouldn't try out here too. Or they might have thought it was a different player, like MKP when he was Boxer and there was like real Boxer running around.
And MLG isn't paying me anything. I just enjoy raining on people's hatejerk because they are having so much fun shitting on MLG and claiming they are killing Esports.
So you know that MLG fucked up pretty hard and they deserve to be criticize.
No, I don't think they fucked up that much at all. Once again, I said human error. Mistakes happen and hackers get into events. They are cheaters, that is what they do. Korean players sign up for events that they shouldn't be in and neglect to tell people they also tried out for code A and then get called out on it. And now Chinese players play under other peoples accounts in clear violation of the rules, which they are not supposed to do and everyone is asking for an exception because he is so good.
There is a mess, but a lot of it is caused by players not doing what they are supposed to do. Like sign up to the qualifier twice.(I know he borrowed the account, but he still threw his hat into the ring twice) Or signing up for the event and then forgetting to tell the admins "hey I tried out for code A a week ago, is that ok?"
So how is that not an institutional fuck up? This isn't some 3rd tier tournament they are running. They aren't the first people running a WCS, Europe had the good luck of running it already. Now let's just ignore everything that has happened and come up with a proper response for the people that were eliminated in matches due to the people you DQ-ed 5+ rounds into the tournament.
All of the stuff that happened in this WCS, MLG was responsible for, they didn't handle the sign-ups properly, didn't have a loading from last save protocol in place for an international online tournament, didn't catch any potential rule-breaking players until late in the tournament. But cool, pretend they did an adequate job despite punting on the very basic responsibilities expected from a tournament organizer.
Edit:
The whole Comm thing is laughable, how the hell do you not know who's playing that many rounds into a tournament?
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
On April 22 2013 07:17 Plansix wrote: [quote] Why, because a group of Chinese players didn't fully read the rules and didn't understand that some of their player signed up to make it into the bracket? The rule is in the biggest, reddest text that is available for MLG to use on the qualifer's page. I don't know how they missed it, it is fucking huge. Do you think if the Chinese team contacted MLG that day before and contacted MLG as said: "The winner of WCS china didn't sign up in time, can he be put into the bracket?" MLG would reject them?
It think it is pretty clear the Chinese team didn't read the rules very carefully and just assumed if they signed up they would get in. Then, after that happened they decided to publicly blame on TL and reddit MLG rather than ask MLG what went wrong. Which is pretty standard and allows people to freak out for before MLG notices and responds. Standard internet and SC2 drama.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
I thought the manager contacted MLG way before hand?
Not for either from my understanding. PhysicalLee was reported last night after he played Catz and everyone went "Holy shit, Physicallee is playing. His team just called him out for hacking this week. He is stupid." To be fair to MLG, I noticed the name to, but did not make the connection until it was pointed out. I think my brain refused to believe someone could be that stupid.
Hyun was weird and I think he signed up and MGL just didn't notice because they assumed that anyone who tried out for code A wouldn't try out here too. Or they might have thought it was a different player, like MKP when he was Boxer and there was like real Boxer running around.
And MLG isn't paying me anything. I just enjoy raining on people's hatejerk because they are having so much fun shitting on MLG and claiming they are killing Esports.
So you know that MLG fucked up pretty hard and they deserve to be criticize.
No, I don't think they fucked up that much at all. Once again, I said human error. Mistakes happen and hackers get into events. They are cheaters, that is what they do. Korean players sign up for events that they shouldn't be in and neglect to tell people they also tried out for code A and then get called out on it. And now Chinese players play under other peoples accounts in clear violation of the rules, which they are not supposed to do and everyone is asking for an exception because he is so good.
There is a mess, but a lot of it is caused by players not doing what they are supposed to do. Like sign up to the qualifier twice.(I know he borrowed the account, but he still threw his hat into the ring twice) Or signing up for the event and then forgetting to tell the admins "hey I tried out for code A a week ago, is that ok?"
The question is how ESL did all this with less time and going through 10 times more matches without making a fraction of the train wreck that MLG is doing here.
They had fewer players who didn't read the rules and tried to qualify under someone else's account. They had fewer hackers(aka, none, because MLG had 1) and one less Korean player who signed up for the bracket when he wasn't supposed to. If these same things had happened to ESL, they would have the same problems.
I guarantee you if MLG had the same 4 open tournaments ESL did, none of these problems would be problems. MLG will correct the issues in the future; pretty positive about that.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Ok so he played from the beginning, but he also said it wasn't his account. Rules are rules for a reason. It sucks he didn't get registered in first 512 and check in, but life will go on. Live and learn. MLG definitely will
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
I thought the manager contacted MLG way before hand?
Not for either from my understanding. PhysicalLee was reported last night after he played Catz and everyone went "Holy shit, Physicallee is playing. His team just called him out for hacking this week. He is stupid." To be fair to MLG, I noticed the name to, but did not make the connection until it was pointed out. I think my brain refused to believe someone could be that stupid.
Hyun was weird and I think he signed up and MGL just didn't notice because they assumed that anyone who tried out for code A wouldn't try out here too. Or they might have thought it was a different player, like MKP when he was Boxer and there was like real Boxer running around.
And MLG isn't paying me anything. I just enjoy raining on people's hatejerk because they are having so much fun shitting on MLG and claiming they are killing Esports.
So you know that MLG fucked up pretty hard and they deserve to be criticize.
No, I don't think they fucked up that much at all. Once again, I said human error. Mistakes happen and hackers get into events. They are cheaters, that is what they do. Korean players sign up for events that they shouldn't be in and neglect to tell people they also tried out for code A and then get called out on it. And now Chinese players play under other peoples accounts in clear violation of the rules, which they are not supposed to do and everyone is asking for an exception because he is so good.
There is a mess, but a lot of it is caused by players not doing what they are supposed to do. Like sign up to the qualifier twice.(I know he borrowed the account, but he still threw his hat into the ring twice) Or signing up for the event and then forgetting to tell the admins "hey I tried out for code A a week ago, is that ok?"
The question is how ESL did all this with less time and going through 10 times more matches without making a fraction of the train wreck that MLG is doing here.
They had fewer players who didn't read the rules and tried to qualify under someone else's account. They had fewer hackers(aka, none, because MLG had 1) and one less Korean player who signed up for the bracket when he wasn't supposed to. If these same things had happened to ESL, they would have the same problems.
ESL had Dragon, but got DQ (once was enough) after 2 rounds IIRC
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Ok so he played from the beginning, but he also said it wasn't his account. Rules are rules for a reason. It sucks he didn't get registered in first 512 and check in, but life will go on. Live and learn. MLG definitely will
Actually, according to the top voted post on reddit, the rule reads:
Breaking any of General Rules #1-5 MAY result in a Forfeit of the Game and/or disqualification from the WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
Whoa, I just realized I've consistently seen your name in TL whenever it comes to blaming the internet and sc2 scene. Your condescension is seriously... oh wells.
I know a mindless pitch-fork mob when I see one. This is a case of players and a team not reading the rules and then blaming the tournament when they didn't get to play. Then trying to play under someone else account and being told that is not allowed either, cause like, no shit.
I've been watching this happen for three years in SC2, from EG signing Puma and on ward. The "community" freaks out and then moves on to the next "outrage" like a gold fish. Today it is MLG, next week it will be someone else who did something unforgivable.
Then tell me why Hyun and PhysicsLee were allowed to play in the tournament.
Human error? They slipped through and got caught later.
I thought the manager contacted MLG way before hand?
Not for either from my understanding. PhysicalLee was reported last night after he played Catz and everyone went "Holy shit, Physicallee is playing. His team just called him out for hacking this week. He is stupid." To be fair to MLG, I noticed the name to, but did not make the connection until it was pointed out. I think my brain refused to believe someone could be that stupid.
Hyun was weird and I think he signed up and MGL just didn't notice because they assumed that anyone who tried out for code A wouldn't try out here too. Or they might have thought it was a different player, like MKP when he was Boxer and there was like real Boxer running around.
And MLG isn't paying me anything. I just enjoy raining on people's hatejerk because they are having so much fun shitting on MLG and claiming they are killing Esports.
So you know that MLG fucked up pretty hard and they deserve to be criticize.
No, I don't think they fucked up that much at all. Once again, I said human error. Mistakes happen and hackers get into events. They are cheaters, that is what they do. Korean players sign up for events that they shouldn't be in and neglect to tell people they also tried out for code A and then get called out on it. And now Chinese players play under other peoples accounts in clear violation of the rules, which they are not supposed to do and everyone is asking for an exception because he is so good.
There is a mess, but a lot of it is caused by players not doing what they are supposed to do. Like sign up to the qualifier twice.(I know he borrowed the account, but he still threw his hat into the ring twice) Or signing up for the event and then forgetting to tell the admins "hey I tried out for code A a week ago, is that ok?"
The question is how ESL did all this with less time and going through 10 times more matches without making a fraction of the train wreck that MLG is doing here.
They had fewer players who didn't read the rules and tried to qualify under someone else's account. They had fewer hackers(aka, none, because MLG had 1) and one less Korean player who signed up for the bracket when he wasn't supposed to. If these same things had happened to ESL, they would have the same problems.
They also already had an already working system in place with the go4sc2 stuff . The amount of players playing amounted to some problems but they also had less time than MLG.
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Ok so he played from the beginning, but he also said it wasn't his account. Rules are rules for a reason. It sucks he didn't get registered in first 512 and check in, but life will go on. Live and learn. MLG definitely will
The thing is if he knew he wont check in he will registered as much account as he could in case of join the qualifier,wasnt he? Rules said anonymity must be DQed? If rules said so why didnt MLG tell him until hes already in the loser final? THis is not fair to refuse a top player out of qaulifier!!!
On April 22 2013 08:50 Elairec wrote: Didn't Comm take over his teammates account AFTER first round had been played? If you can't understand why that would DQ him and his friend, I am sorry.
Agreed, I don't understand why people are expecting MLG to let that slide. There is a reason that rule is in place, like preventing one player from ghosting at 3 or 4 people to give several shots at qualifying.
Lol see now you are just spreading lies. Anything to defend MLG I guess. If you don't hold tourneys accountable for their mistakes, then they will never improve. If everyone turned a blind eye to things like you, nothing would ever progress. Mindless fanboyism does nothing and is a negative.
Why would you let anyone sign up twice for the qualifier? Why would you ever do that? Why would you EVER let a player play under someone else account, ever?
Because MLG is terrible at TO-ing? Like really, its one thing to let someone sign up and play a few rounds, it's another to let it go for that long.
How the FUCK are they supposed to know who is using the PC? HE IS IN CHINA!!!!!! MLG's job is to enforce the rules, which he broke. I don't are how good he is, he broke the rules to get into the event. He signed up twice, which is against the rules for a reason.
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