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ajxPurpleRain
Profile Joined July 2012
United States87 Posts
April 05 2013 20:54 GMT
#21
I don't think this is the most ideal method. I don't think so many keys should be devoted to the spawn larva mechanic. I recently simplified my approach (switching from a modified version of the backspace method) to a screen hotkey-grab queen-inject, "Korean" method after seeing jaedong doing this absurdly fast on his stream. By making the spawn larva button "w," I was able to keep an ergonomic approach while converting. So, when I go to inject i hit f1-w f2-w f3-w caps-w, `-w, middle mouse button-w--which, even while punctuated by having to grab the queens (who you can grab and inject with one good practice motion), is actually very smooth. This method uses a minimum of keystrokes which, in my opinion, makes it philsophically superior--not to mention that by not hotkeying your queens, they never wander around the map randomly, nor to they take up a valuable hotkey.

I suppose, what I mean is that the goal for an ideal method should not be to create the most possible automation, it should be to do the most aerodynamic method.
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Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
April 05 2013 21:14 GMT
#22
I'm not sure aerodynamic is what we're looking for, but I can't speak to where you are playing...
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3463 Posts
April 05 2013 21:42 GMT
#23
This is a nice new method.
The most sensible way to do this, in my head, is to hotkey spawn larvae as " ´ " or any key that's close to backspace and then simply holding the shift under "Enter" down, whilst pressing ´ and backspacing through all the hatches clicking on them.
[Shift]+[´],backspace, click, backspace, click; and so forth.
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
April 05 2013 21:56 GMT
#24
vibe has his fkeys on qwer and his queens on 1 hotkey, he cycles through all his hatchs in less than 1 second : D. its really sick

but yea the op's method is really cool aswell. i just think that injecting w/ f keys is much more efficient because you dont need to double tap ur keys, makes it much more faster
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nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
April 05 2013 21:56 GMT
#25
ah nice method indeed, and well presented in the video
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Jusba
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland189 Posts
April 05 2013 22:07 GMT
#26
If I have queens on all hatcheries I just press the hotkey I have queens in, then press V 'spawn larvae', hold shift and and start spamming mouse 1 + side button on the mouse which I have as 'next base'. So I can go through basicly any amount of hatcheries in less than a second when I'm on the mood. This can go wrong if for example one of your queens has 24 energy and one has 50+. In the late game It doesn't really matter for me because larva is not the most important issue if you have expanded a lot.

If I don't have queens on all hatcheries I click the hotkey for queens, then V, hold shift and click the hatcheries with queens on the minimap.
decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
April 05 2013 22:22 GMT
#27
On April 06 2013 06:56 ROOTT1 wrote:
vibe has his fkeys on qwer and his queens on 1 hotkey, he cycles through all his hatchs in less than 1 second : D. its really sick

but yea the op's method is really cool aswell. i just think that injecting w/ f keys is much more efficient because you dont need to double tap ur keys, makes it much more faster


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Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
April 05 2013 22:31 GMT
#28
On April 06 2013 05:19 Xylocaine wrote:
Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive.
You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too).
No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...


It's one of the standard ways of doing it, binding each queen to a hotkey, except he rehotkeyd 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 to SHIFT + 1, 2, 3, Q, E for easier access to them, which also means you can add several queens to one base's hotkey if you have macro hatcheries there and they will inject them without running around the whole map.

My personal opinion is that the advantage of having slighty faster macro hatcheriy injects is negated by the fact that you have to use a weird hotkey like Alt to add to control group.
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 00:44:06
April 06 2013 00:41 GMT
#29
Just an input about the video: no need to start with long explanations about side-effects like changing shift-add. Begin with the positive: what you offer, instead of delaying it and delaying. And then explain such side-effects.

I could see it changed to alt+number, which probably isn't that much of a problem. Moreover, the whole idea of using shift with such double function - recall and shift command - is pretty neat and can be useful for other things perhaps, so that's nice.
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Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
April 06 2013 01:54 GMT
#30
On April 06 2013 05:42 fuzzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 05:23 dani` wrote:
On April 06 2013 05:19 Xylocaine wrote:
Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive.
You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too).
No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...

OP has already spent time making the video and uploading it, and now you want him to write it down for you cause you are too lazy to watch his video. You're a nice person.

Anyway, since I actually am a nice person I'll help you; start at 03:00 in the video and end whenever you understand the method.

Rofl dude, calm down! wtf? chill...

You're the one sounding like you need to calm down, with that reply to his reasonable point. :|

On April 06 2013 05:25 decemvre wrote:
Thank you for your reply; however this has nothing to do with the backspace method.
The backspace method breaks if you don't have queens on all hatcheries. This one doesn't and it's faster while also giving you hooks to jump from base to base.

I feel like the video really should have included more information like this, showing HOW your method is better than others (even if it might not be as good in others).

In the video, you spend time going over the same sort of things, as well as waiting to get it right after slipping up (which causes quick-to-judge Youtubers to give you thumbs down no doubt), when that could have been edited to only include the good execution of your method and while it should be apparent, phrases like
It's like adding more functionality to the 123 hotkeys other than your army.
probably needed more emphasis to get the point through to the impatient crowd more quickly. ;D
They're just video-making tips, by the way, aside from recommending that certain points needed more emphasis within the video. I don't think your video did a good job of conveying how it is better than using F-location camera hotkeys or a rebound backspace method.

and before,
On April 06 2013 05:00 decemvre wrote:
Using shift hooks on the queens.

I'm not sure if you meant this the way I interpreted it but if a person slips up while using shift+V for injecting, you can accidentally bind a queen/queens to whatever number you press after the series of injects (if you don't let go of shift quickly enough).
I'm not saying that's not worth the 'risk' for some people, but you could be advocating avoiding such a potential mistake, and at least I didn't notice you emphasise the fact that you can avoid it while still having shift-adding using a button other than shift, I just heard you say "but you can still rebind that functionality to another key".
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PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
April 06 2013 04:44 GMT
#31
I really think the fastest method is basecamera ----> middle mouse click. I inject everything in less than a second.

It's nice to see different methods though, and I've never seen it this way before.
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Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
April 06 2013 06:48 GMT
#32
I prefer backspace method, but rebinded to other buttons.

Select larva - Tilde
Cycle cameras - Spacebar

Queens group - turn wheel on mouse to left
Hatcheries group - turn wheel on mouse to right

But I will try your method, because I don't use Shift-Append to groups, because it's already rebound for me to Alt+1,Alt+2, etc
MrSourGit
Profile Joined August 2012
England135 Posts
April 06 2013 07:03 GMT
#33
I use the cycle method really

Queens hotkey , hold spawn larva and shift , cycle base key + left clicks . I just make sure I don't click on hatch's which don't have queens yet , coz nothin is worse than wandering queens !!!!

I'll give this a go though , see how it holds up .

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[Daze]
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany20 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 15:19:49
April 06 2013 14:59 GMT
#34
I'm also using the backspace method (with backspace rebound to "n", just because I use grid and "n" is easily accessable for me) but I don't really need to pay attention to hatches without queens etc..
What I do for this is that I select my queens, press "x" (inject), hold shift, spam n-click-n-click.... and after I went through all my hatcheries I issue a "stop" command for my queens.
That way every hatch than can get injected will get injected and queens won't really wander around if there is some sort of error because the "stop" command prevents that...It's the optimal method I think.
david.oh.k
Profile Joined March 2011
United States92 Posts
April 06 2013 15:38 GMT
#35
I know a much more efficient and even faster way to spawn larvae. It involves using the F keys for saving locations and changing spawn larvae to Q. Out of all of the methods I've tried, I think this is the best by far.
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
April 06 2013 15:38 GMT
#36
i feel like a barbarian just hoykeying my hatches 5-8 and manually boxing my queens......
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kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
April 06 2013 15:59 GMT
#37
Here's what I do:

All queens are on 5, so I usually just press 5, hold shift, press x (for spawn larvae) and click on my hatches on the mini-map.

That way I only spend 1 hotkey for queens and don't have to look away from battles to inject.
I don't know why pros don't do this, but until somebody tells me any disadvantage of my method, I'll keep doing it.
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Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
April 06 2013 16:06 GMT
#38
On April 07 2013 00:38 sparklyresidue wrote:
i feel like a barbarian just hoykeying my hatches 5-8 and manually boxing my queens......


GASP! Did you know you could do that in one less click? Camera hotkey six hatches and inject that way.

It's even faster! Though I have no idea if you use camera hotkeys or not.

Yeah I highly recommend just using camera hotkeys to inject. It's by far the fastest method I've ever used and it has no possible "fuck ups." You don't even have to have queens bound.
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Callynn
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands917 Posts
April 06 2013 16:23 GMT
#39
On April 07 2013 00:59 kafkaesque wrote:
Here's what I do:

All queens are on 5, so I usually just press 5, hold shift, press x (for spawn larvae) and click on my hatches on the mini-map.

That way I only spend 1 hotkey for queens and don't have to look away from battles to inject.
I don't know why pros don't do this, but until somebody tells me any disadvantage of my method, I'll keep doing it.


Your method is superior to the one suggested here tbh, I dislike looking away from the battles as well. Using the minimap to inject is much better once you learn how to aim properly.
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a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
April 06 2013 16:32 GMT
#40
First action: I press 6 (my button for hatchery queens)
Second action: I press 'e' for inject larvae.
Third through sixth action: click on each hatchery on the minimap.

All these people with their weird ass ways of injecting hatcheries and their dozens of actions to do so... Seriously? shift 11 e click PER hatchery? Too lazy for that shit man.
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