Ok. A lot of people seem to be requesting a shorter description so here it is:
First of all, this has nothing to do with the backspace method. You toggle through queens, not hatcheries so your cycle doesn't break if there's a hatchery without a queen.
SHIFT + 11 recalls queen hotkeyed on 5 SHIFT + 22 recalls queen hotkeyed on 6 SHIFT + 33 recalls queen hotkeyed on 7 SHIFT + qq recalls queen hotkeyed on 8 SHIFT + ww recalls queen hotkeyed on 9
"E" = Spawn Larva
Cycle for main base queen is: SHIFT + 11 + "E" + click. Cycle for natural base queen is: SHIFT + 22 + "E" + click. etc
Adding macro hatcheries to your cycle is ideal with this method because you're already holding down SHIFT by default, so you can have 1 queen spawn larva on all nearby hatcheries with shift commands.
You can use queens to move to which ever base you want to go to: EX: If you want to go to your 3rd base really fast: SHIFT + 33 and you're there. No need to move your hand all the way to the F's.
Queens can be used to move to all bases, through-out the game.
Here is my version, seems to be less confusing, bind Switch Base to tilde, have all queens on 1 hotkey, select queens, select spawn larvae with (Shift-V) and then cycle through the bases with tilde and click on the hatcheries that will appear on your monitor in the same location as they are cycled through with "Switch Bases"
On April 06 2013 04:56 batmobile wrote: Here is my version, seems to be less confusing, bind Switch Base to tilde, have all queens on 1 hotkey, select queens, select spawn larvae with (Shift-V) and then cycle through the bases with tilde and click on the hatcheries that will appear on your monitor in the same location as they are cycled through with "Switch Bases"
Using shift hooks on the queens. You can then give the queens multiple commands on multiple hatcheries and they will perform all of them in order.
Moreover you can use SHIFT + 11 / 22 / 33 / qq / ww to immediately move to any of your bases. So SHIFT +11 immediately takes you to your main base without having to stretch your hand to reach the F's. It's like adding more functionality to the 123 hotkeys other than your army.
Bottom line is. Army, production and spawn larva are all on the exact same keys 1234 qwe.
As for your method in the video, it certainly seems to depend on playstyle. Removing the 'Add to Control Group' functionality is a lot to give up for a lot of people. I heard Stephano hotkeys his eggs into his control groups, so that right there is enough for him not to do it, understandably.
On April 06 2013 05:10 Kaitlin wrote: Did you use camera locations in your play ?
As for your method in the video, it certainly seems to depend on playstyle. Removing the 'Add to Control Group' functionality is a lot to give up for a lot of people. I heard Stephano hotkeys his eggs into his control groups, so that right there is enough for him not to do it, understandably.
Good luck in your non-Starcraft endeavors, btw.
a lot of people actually hotkey eggs to control groups. in some ways it's easier to do that instead of having a camera hotkey on your rally
On April 06 2013 05:10 Kaitlin wrote: Did you use camera locations in your play ?
As for your method in the video, it certainly seems to depend on playstyle. Removing the 'Add to Control Group' functionality is a lot to give up for a lot of people. I heard Stephano hotkeys his eggs into his control groups, so that right there is enough for him not to do it, understandably.
Good luck in your non-Starcraft endeavors, btw.
The point with the egg-adding is crucial. When you start doing it, you don't want to stop that ever. makes controlling and adding units so much better and faster. it sounds nice, but i won't give up adding eggs for it (as shift for adding is a very comfortable way). thanks anyway!
On April 06 2013 05:10 Kaitlin wrote: Did you use camera locations in your play ?
As for your method in the video, it certainly seems to depend on playstyle. Removing the 'Add to Control Group' functionality is a lot to give up for a lot of people. I heard Stephano hotkeys his eggs into his control groups, so that right there is enough for him not to do it, understandably.
Good luck in your non-Starcraft endeavors, btw.
The point with the egg-adding is crucial. When you start doing it, you don't want to stop that ever. makes controlling and adding units so much better and faster. it sounds nice, but i won't give up adding eggs for it (as shift for adding is a very comfortable way). thanks anyway!
I know. Which is why I insist in the video that people replace shift with another key.
Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive. You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too). No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...
On April 06 2013 05:19 Xylocaine wrote: Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive. You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too). No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...
OP has already spent time making the video and uploading it, and now you want him to write it down for you cause you are too lazy to watch his video. You're a nice person.
Anyway, since I actually am a nice person I'll help you; start at 03:00 in the video and end whenever you understand the method.
On April 06 2013 05:19 Xylocaine wrote: Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive. You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too). No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...
I'm sorry. I'll write a short text description tonight!!!
On April 06 2013 04:56 batmobile wrote: Here is my version, seems to be less confusing, bind Switch Base to tilde, have all queens on 1 hotkey, select queens, select spawn larvae with (Shift-V) and then cycle through the bases with tilde and click on the hatcheries that will appear on your monitor in the same location as they are cycled through with "Switch Bases"
Using shift hooks on the queens. You can then give the queens multiple commands on multiple hatcheries and they will perform all of them in order.
Moreover you can use SHIFT + 11 / 22 / 33 / qq / ww to immediately move to any of your bases. So SHIFT +11 immediately takes you to your main base without having to stretch your hand to reach the F's. It's like adding more functionality to the 123 hotkeys other than your army.
Bottom line is. Army, production and spawn larva are all on the exact same keys 1234 qwe.
First off, nice idea... But second, that video is wayyyyy too long. Get to the point earlier pls
And third...I think you missunderstood this method. You use "backspace" to switch through all your hatcheries by default. Just remap "backspace" to a closer button. Put all your Queens in 1 control group, press "shift+v" (or whatever spawn larvae is), hold shift and just spam "backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/...
It takes about 5 miliseconds (maybe a bit more) for 8 hatcheries. Check it out
On April 06 2013 05:19 Xylocaine wrote: Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive. You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too). No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...
OP has already spent time making the video and uploading it, and now you want him to write it down for you cause you are too lazy to watch his video. You're a nice person.
Anyway, since I actually am a nice person I'll help you; start at 03:00 in the video and end whenever you understand the method.
His request isn't unreasonable.
It's an interesting method, but I much prefer Jaedong's way, feels more natural to me
On April 06 2013 04:56 batmobile wrote: Here is my version, seems to be less confusing, bind Switch Base to tilde, have all queens on 1 hotkey, select queens, select spawn larvae with (Shift-V) and then cycle through the bases with tilde and click on the hatcheries that will appear on your monitor in the same location as they are cycled through with "Switch Bases"
Using shift hooks on the queens. You can then give the queens multiple commands on multiple hatcheries and they will perform all of them in order.
Moreover you can use SHIFT + 11 / 22 / 33 / qq / ww to immediately move to any of your bases. So SHIFT +11 immediately takes you to your main base without having to stretch your hand to reach the F's. It's like adding more functionality to the 123 hotkeys other than your army.
Bottom line is. Army, production and spawn larva are all on the exact same keys 1234 qwe.
First of, nice idea... But second, that video is wayyyyy too long. Get to the point earlier pls
And third...I think you missunderstood this method. You use "backspace" to switch through all your hatcheries by default. Just remap "backspace" to a closer button. Put all your Queens in 1 control group, press "shift+v" (or whatever spawn larvae is), hold shift and just spam "backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/...
It takes about 5 miliseconds (maybe a bit more) for 8 hatcheries. Check it out
Thank you for your reply; however this has nothing to do with the backspace method. The backspace method breaks if you don't have queens on all hatcheries. This one doesn't and it's faster while also giving you hooks to jump from base to base.
On April 06 2013 04:56 batmobile wrote: Here is my version, seems to be less confusing, bind Switch Base to tilde, have all queens on 1 hotkey, select queens, select spawn larvae with (Shift-V) and then cycle through the bases with tilde and click on the hatcheries that will appear on your monitor in the same location as they are cycled through with "Switch Bases"
Using shift hooks on the queens. You can then give the queens multiple commands on multiple hatcheries and they will perform all of them in order.
Moreover you can use SHIFT + 11 / 22 / 33 / qq / ww to immediately move to any of your bases. So SHIFT +11 immediately takes you to your main base without having to stretch your hand to reach the F's. It's like adding more functionality to the 123 hotkeys other than your army.
Bottom line is. Army, production and spawn larva are all on the exact same keys 1234 qwe.
First of, nice idea... But second, that video is wayyyyy too long. Get to the point earlier pls
And third...I think you missunderstood this method. You use "backspace" to switch through all your hatcheries by default. Just remap "backspace" to a closer button. Put all your Queens in 1 control group, press "shift+v" (or whatever spawn larvae is), hold shift and just spam "backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/...
It takes about 5 miliseconds (maybe a bit more) for 8 hatcheries. Check it out
Thank you for your reply; however this has nothing to do with the backspace method. The backspace method breaks if you don't have queens on all hatcheries. This one doesn't and it's faster while also giving you hooks to jump from base to base.
Fair enough. Thats a good point actually, which you probably mentioned at some point in this video, which I on the other hand skipped
On April 06 2013 04:56 batmobile wrote: Here is my version, seems to be less confusing, bind Switch Base to tilde, have all queens on 1 hotkey, select queens, select spawn larvae with (Shift-V) and then cycle through the bases with tilde and click on the hatcheries that will appear on your monitor in the same location as they are cycled through with "Switch Bases"
Using shift hooks on the queens. You can then give the queens multiple commands on multiple hatcheries and they will perform all of them in order.
Moreover you can use SHIFT + 11 / 22 / 33 / qq / ww to immediately move to any of your bases. So SHIFT +11 immediately takes you to your main base without having to stretch your hand to reach the F's. It's like adding more functionality to the 123 hotkeys other than your army.
Bottom line is. Army, production and spawn larva are all on the exact same keys 1234 qwe.
First of, nice idea... But second, that video is wayyyyy too long. Get to the point earlier pls
And third...I think you missunderstood this method. You use "backspace" to switch through all your hatcheries by default. Just remap "backspace" to a closer button. Put all your Queens in 1 control group, press "shift+v" (or whatever spawn larvae is), hold shift and just spam "backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/...
It takes about 5 miliseconds (maybe a bit more) for 8 hatcheries. Check it out
Thank you for your reply; however this has nothing to do with the backspace method. The backspace method breaks if you don't have queens on all hatcheries. This one doesn't and it's faster while also giving you hooks to jump from base to base.
Yeah, one BIG difference between this method and the backspace method is the hatchery grouping (several hatches together) being handled specifically by the nearby queens. Using the backspace method, queens would be pulled from other bases to handle extra hatches. So, that's one good thing about this method, but I think there are other ways to accomplish that, without giving up so much. Not this this thread should be a poll on how everybody chooses to inject, but I just use camera hotkeys with queens all in one control group. When I want to inject multiple hatches where I have fewer queens than bases, I Ctrl+click a queen so it only uses the nearby queens.
On April 06 2013 05:19 Xylocaine wrote: Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive. You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too). No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...
OP has already spent time making the video and uploading it, and now you want him to write it down for you cause you are too lazy to watch his video. You're a nice person.
Anyway, since I actually am a nice person I'll help you; start at 03:00 in the video and end whenever you understand the method.
Rofl dude, calm down! wtf? chill... Its not about being lazy. its about not having time. its about efficincy (wtf how is that written? f'ishensea? lol... :D). spending 10 minutes of my precious life, i want more out of it than a three liner! will say: if i had more interesting information infront i think i would also wacth the video but not wise versa anyways OP, nice find, i guess... cO> so could someone tell me how this works too? didnt see the video... :D
On April 06 2013 05:19 Xylocaine wrote: Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive. You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too). No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...
OP has already spent time making the video and uploading it, and now you want him to write it down for you cause you are too lazy to watch his video. You're a nice person.
Anyway, since I actually am a nice person I'll help you; start at 03:00 in the video and end whenever you understand the method.
I don't "want" anything. I don't I'm just pointing out that he's missing up on a part of the audience because of something he could fix with a couple of minutes worth of typing, because I assume I'm not the only one who's not gonna bother with the video. Skimming through 5 pages of text only take a couple seconds specially if formatting is done right, skimming though a 10 minute video is much harder and you are much more prone to miss the important points, and that's why I don't bother, I don't want to waste my time pointlessly. Apples and oranges, some people don't bother with text, I don't bother with videos, simple as that.
I'd also like to point out that every time up till now, when I stumble upon an interesting thread that contains nothing but a long video in the OP (already seen things like 35 minutes interview which don't even state the questions by writing underneath) I just don't watch the video and move on without writing a word or complaining. I didn't intend to whine / being entitled here. But what ticked me off (and caused my somewhat overly aggressive post, I admit it) was that he said "details in the link" while there are absolutely no details there. I'm assuming the OP meant nothing wrong (my "thanks" in my post were honest), but I ended up visiting a link on some random website for what felt like false advertisement. Which makes me even less prone to start the video.
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