Ok. A lot of people seem to be requesting a shorter description so here it is:
First of all, this has nothing to do with the backspace method. You toggle through queens, not hatcheries so your cycle doesn't break if there's a hatchery without a queen.
SHIFT + 11 recalls queen hotkeyed on 5 SHIFT + 22 recalls queen hotkeyed on 6 SHIFT + 33 recalls queen hotkeyed on 7 SHIFT + qq recalls queen hotkeyed on 8 SHIFT + ww recalls queen hotkeyed on 9
"E" = Spawn Larva
Cycle for main base queen is: SHIFT + 11 + "E" + click. Cycle for natural base queen is: SHIFT + 22 + "E" + click. etc
Adding macro hatcheries to your cycle is ideal with this method because you're already holding down SHIFT by default, so you can have 1 queen spawn larva on all nearby hatcheries with shift commands.
You can use queens to move to which ever base you want to go to: EX: If you want to go to your 3rd base really fast: SHIFT + 33 and you're there. No need to move your hand all the way to the F's.
Queens can be used to move to all bases, through-out the game.
Here is my version, seems to be less confusing, bind Switch Base to tilde, have all queens on 1 hotkey, select queens, select spawn larvae with (Shift-V) and then cycle through the bases with tilde and click on the hatcheries that will appear on your monitor in the same location as they are cycled through with "Switch Bases"
On April 06 2013 04:56 batmobile wrote: Here is my version, seems to be less confusing, bind Switch Base to tilde, have all queens on 1 hotkey, select queens, select spawn larvae with (Shift-V) and then cycle through the bases with tilde and click on the hatcheries that will appear on your monitor in the same location as they are cycled through with "Switch Bases"
Using shift hooks on the queens. You can then give the queens multiple commands on multiple hatcheries and they will perform all of them in order.
Moreover you can use SHIFT + 11 / 22 / 33 / qq / ww to immediately move to any of your bases. So SHIFT +11 immediately takes you to your main base without having to stretch your hand to reach the F's. It's like adding more functionality to the 123 hotkeys other than your army.
Bottom line is. Army, production and spawn larva are all on the exact same keys 1234 qwe.
As for your method in the video, it certainly seems to depend on playstyle. Removing the 'Add to Control Group' functionality is a lot to give up for a lot of people. I heard Stephano hotkeys his eggs into his control groups, so that right there is enough for him not to do it, understandably.
On April 06 2013 05:10 Kaitlin wrote: Did you use camera locations in your play ?
As for your method in the video, it certainly seems to depend on playstyle. Removing the 'Add to Control Group' functionality is a lot to give up for a lot of people. I heard Stephano hotkeys his eggs into his control groups, so that right there is enough for him not to do it, understandably.
Good luck in your non-Starcraft endeavors, btw.
a lot of people actually hotkey eggs to control groups. in some ways it's easier to do that instead of having a camera hotkey on your rally
On April 06 2013 05:10 Kaitlin wrote: Did you use camera locations in your play ?
As for your method in the video, it certainly seems to depend on playstyle. Removing the 'Add to Control Group' functionality is a lot to give up for a lot of people. I heard Stephano hotkeys his eggs into his control groups, so that right there is enough for him not to do it, understandably.
Good luck in your non-Starcraft endeavors, btw.
The point with the egg-adding is crucial. When you start doing it, you don't want to stop that ever. makes controlling and adding units so much better and faster. it sounds nice, but i won't give up adding eggs for it (as shift for adding is a very comfortable way). thanks anyway!
On April 06 2013 05:10 Kaitlin wrote: Did you use camera locations in your play ?
As for your method in the video, it certainly seems to depend on playstyle. Removing the 'Add to Control Group' functionality is a lot to give up for a lot of people. I heard Stephano hotkeys his eggs into his control groups, so that right there is enough for him not to do it, understandably.
Good luck in your non-Starcraft endeavors, btw.
The point with the egg-adding is crucial. When you start doing it, you don't want to stop that ever. makes controlling and adding units so much better and faster. it sounds nice, but i won't give up adding eggs for it (as shift for adding is a very comfortable way). thanks anyway!
I know. Which is why I insist in the video that people replace shift with another key.
Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive. You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too). No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...
On April 06 2013 05:19 Xylocaine wrote: Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive. You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too). No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...
OP has already spent time making the video and uploading it, and now you want him to write it down for you cause you are too lazy to watch his video. You're a nice person.
Anyway, since I actually am a nice person I'll help you; start at 03:00 in the video and end whenever you understand the method.
On April 06 2013 05:19 Xylocaine wrote: Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive. You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too). No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...
I'm sorry. I'll write a short text description tonight!!!
On April 06 2013 04:56 batmobile wrote: Here is my version, seems to be less confusing, bind Switch Base to tilde, have all queens on 1 hotkey, select queens, select spawn larvae with (Shift-V) and then cycle through the bases with tilde and click on the hatcheries that will appear on your monitor in the same location as they are cycled through with "Switch Bases"
Using shift hooks on the queens. You can then give the queens multiple commands on multiple hatcheries and they will perform all of them in order.
Moreover you can use SHIFT + 11 / 22 / 33 / qq / ww to immediately move to any of your bases. So SHIFT +11 immediately takes you to your main base without having to stretch your hand to reach the F's. It's like adding more functionality to the 123 hotkeys other than your army.
Bottom line is. Army, production and spawn larva are all on the exact same keys 1234 qwe.
First off, nice idea... But second, that video is wayyyyy too long. Get to the point earlier pls
And third...I think you missunderstood this method. You use "backspace" to switch through all your hatcheries by default. Just remap "backspace" to a closer button. Put all your Queens in 1 control group, press "shift+v" (or whatever spawn larvae is), hold shift and just spam "backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/...
It takes about 5 miliseconds (maybe a bit more) for 8 hatcheries. Check it out
On April 06 2013 05:19 Xylocaine wrote: Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive. You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too). No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...
OP has already spent time making the video and uploading it, and now you want him to write it down for you cause you are too lazy to watch his video. You're a nice person.
Anyway, since I actually am a nice person I'll help you; start at 03:00 in the video and end whenever you understand the method.
His request isn't unreasonable.
It's an interesting method, but I much prefer Jaedong's way, feels more natural to me
On April 06 2013 04:56 batmobile wrote: Here is my version, seems to be less confusing, bind Switch Base to tilde, have all queens on 1 hotkey, select queens, select spawn larvae with (Shift-V) and then cycle through the bases with tilde and click on the hatcheries that will appear on your monitor in the same location as they are cycled through with "Switch Bases"
Using shift hooks on the queens. You can then give the queens multiple commands on multiple hatcheries and they will perform all of them in order.
Moreover you can use SHIFT + 11 / 22 / 33 / qq / ww to immediately move to any of your bases. So SHIFT +11 immediately takes you to your main base without having to stretch your hand to reach the F's. It's like adding more functionality to the 123 hotkeys other than your army.
Bottom line is. Army, production and spawn larva are all on the exact same keys 1234 qwe.
First of, nice idea... But second, that video is wayyyyy too long. Get to the point earlier pls
And third...I think you missunderstood this method. You use "backspace" to switch through all your hatcheries by default. Just remap "backspace" to a closer button. Put all your Queens in 1 control group, press "shift+v" (or whatever spawn larvae is), hold shift and just spam "backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/...
It takes about 5 miliseconds (maybe a bit more) for 8 hatcheries. Check it out
Thank you for your reply; however this has nothing to do with the backspace method. The backspace method breaks if you don't have queens on all hatcheries. This one doesn't and it's faster while also giving you hooks to jump from base to base.
On April 06 2013 04:56 batmobile wrote: Here is my version, seems to be less confusing, bind Switch Base to tilde, have all queens on 1 hotkey, select queens, select spawn larvae with (Shift-V) and then cycle through the bases with tilde and click on the hatcheries that will appear on your monitor in the same location as they are cycled through with "Switch Bases"
Using shift hooks on the queens. You can then give the queens multiple commands on multiple hatcheries and they will perform all of them in order.
Moreover you can use SHIFT + 11 / 22 / 33 / qq / ww to immediately move to any of your bases. So SHIFT +11 immediately takes you to your main base without having to stretch your hand to reach the F's. It's like adding more functionality to the 123 hotkeys other than your army.
Bottom line is. Army, production and spawn larva are all on the exact same keys 1234 qwe.
First of, nice idea... But second, that video is wayyyyy too long. Get to the point earlier pls
And third...I think you missunderstood this method. You use "backspace" to switch through all your hatcheries by default. Just remap "backspace" to a closer button. Put all your Queens in 1 control group, press "shift+v" (or whatever spawn larvae is), hold shift and just spam "backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/...
It takes about 5 miliseconds (maybe a bit more) for 8 hatcheries. Check it out
Thank you for your reply; however this has nothing to do with the backspace method. The backspace method breaks if you don't have queens on all hatcheries. This one doesn't and it's faster while also giving you hooks to jump from base to base.
Fair enough. Thats a good point actually, which you probably mentioned at some point in this video, which I on the other hand skipped
On April 06 2013 04:56 batmobile wrote: Here is my version, seems to be less confusing, bind Switch Base to tilde, have all queens on 1 hotkey, select queens, select spawn larvae with (Shift-V) and then cycle through the bases with tilde and click on the hatcheries that will appear on your monitor in the same location as they are cycled through with "Switch Bases"
Using shift hooks on the queens. You can then give the queens multiple commands on multiple hatcheries and they will perform all of them in order.
Moreover you can use SHIFT + 11 / 22 / 33 / qq / ww to immediately move to any of your bases. So SHIFT +11 immediately takes you to your main base without having to stretch your hand to reach the F's. It's like adding more functionality to the 123 hotkeys other than your army.
Bottom line is. Army, production and spawn larva are all on the exact same keys 1234 qwe.
First of, nice idea... But second, that video is wayyyyy too long. Get to the point earlier pls
And third...I think you missunderstood this method. You use "backspace" to switch through all your hatcheries by default. Just remap "backspace" to a closer button. Put all your Queens in 1 control group, press "shift+v" (or whatever spawn larvae is), hold shift and just spam "backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/"backspace"/"left-click"/...
It takes about 5 miliseconds (maybe a bit more) for 8 hatcheries. Check it out
Thank you for your reply; however this has nothing to do with the backspace method. The backspace method breaks if you don't have queens on all hatcheries. This one doesn't and it's faster while also giving you hooks to jump from base to base.
Yeah, one BIG difference between this method and the backspace method is the hatchery grouping (several hatches together) being handled specifically by the nearby queens. Using the backspace method, queens would be pulled from other bases to handle extra hatches. So, that's one good thing about this method, but I think there are other ways to accomplish that, without giving up so much. Not this this thread should be a poll on how everybody chooses to inject, but I just use camera hotkeys with queens all in one control group. When I want to inject multiple hatches where I have fewer queens than bases, I Ctrl+click a queen so it only uses the nearby queens.
On April 06 2013 05:19 Xylocaine wrote: Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive. You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too). No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...
OP has already spent time making the video and uploading it, and now you want him to write it down for you cause you are too lazy to watch his video. You're a nice person.
Anyway, since I actually am a nice person I'll help you; start at 03:00 in the video and end whenever you understand the method.
Rofl dude, calm down! wtf? chill... Its not about being lazy. its about not having time. its about efficincy (wtf how is that written? f'ishensea? lol... :D). spending 10 minutes of my precious life, i want more out of it than a three liner! will say: if i had more interesting information infront i think i would also wacth the video but not wise versa anyways OP, nice find, i guess... cO> so could someone tell me how this works too? didnt see the video... :D
On April 06 2013 05:19 Xylocaine wrote: Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive. You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too). No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...
OP has already spent time making the video and uploading it, and now you want him to write it down for you cause you are too lazy to watch his video. You're a nice person.
Anyway, since I actually am a nice person I'll help you; start at 03:00 in the video and end whenever you understand the method.
I don't "want" anything. I don't I'm just pointing out that he's missing up on a part of the audience because of something he could fix with a couple of minutes worth of typing, because I assume I'm not the only one who's not gonna bother with the video. Skimming through 5 pages of text only take a couple seconds specially if formatting is done right, skimming though a 10 minute video is much harder and you are much more prone to miss the important points, and that's why I don't bother, I don't want to waste my time pointlessly. Apples and oranges, some people don't bother with text, I don't bother with videos, simple as that.
I'd also like to point out that every time up till now, when I stumble upon an interesting thread that contains nothing but a long video in the OP (already seen things like 35 minutes interview which don't even state the questions by writing underneath) I just don't watch the video and move on without writing a word or complaining. I didn't intend to whine / being entitled here. But what ticked me off (and caused my somewhat overly aggressive post, I admit it) was that he said "details in the link" while there are absolutely no details there. I'm assuming the OP meant nothing wrong (my "thanks" in my post were honest), but I ended up visiting a link on some random website for what felt like false advertisement. Which makes me even less prone to start the video.
I don't think this is the most ideal method. I don't think so many keys should be devoted to the spawn larva mechanic. I recently simplified my approach (switching from a modified version of the backspace method) to a screen hotkey-grab queen-inject, "Korean" method after seeing jaedong doing this absurdly fast on his stream. By making the spawn larva button "w," I was able to keep an ergonomic approach while converting. So, when I go to inject i hit f1-w f2-w f3-w caps-w, `-w, middle mouse button-w--which, even while punctuated by having to grab the queens (who you can grab and inject with one good practice motion), is actually very smooth. This method uses a minimum of keystrokes which, in my opinion, makes it philsophically superior--not to mention that by not hotkeying your queens, they never wander around the map randomly, nor to they take up a valuable hotkey.
I suppose, what I mean is that the goal for an ideal method should not be to create the most possible automation, it should be to do the most aerodynamic method.
This is a nice new method. The most sensible way to do this, in my head, is to hotkey spawn larvae as " ´ " or any key that's close to backspace and then simply holding the shift under "Enter" down, whilst pressing ´ and backspacing through all the hatches clicking on them. [Shift]+[´],backspace, click, backspace, click; and so forth.
vibe has his fkeys on qwer and his queens on 1 hotkey, he cycles through all his hatchs in less than 1 second : D. its really sick
but yea the op's method is really cool aswell. i just think that injecting w/ f keys is much more efficient because you dont need to double tap ur keys, makes it much more faster
If I have queens on all hatcheries I just press the hotkey I have queens in, then press V 'spawn larvae', hold shift and and start spamming mouse 1 + side button on the mouse which I have as 'next base'. So I can go through basicly any amount of hatcheries in less than a second when I'm on the mood. This can go wrong if for example one of your queens has 24 energy and one has 50+. In the late game It doesn't really matter for me because larva is not the most important issue if you have expanded a lot.
If I don't have queens on all hatcheries I click the hotkey for queens, then V, hold shift and click the hatcheries with queens on the minimap.
On April 06 2013 06:56 ROOTT1 wrote: vibe has his fkeys on qwer and his queens on 1 hotkey, he cycles through all his hatchs in less than 1 second : D. its really sick
but yea the op's method is really cool aswell. i just think that injecting w/ f keys is much more efficient because you dont need to double tap ur keys, makes it much more faster
Rule #3: Always double-tap when you kill zombies too!
On April 06 2013 05:19 Xylocaine wrote: Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive. You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too). No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...
It's one of the standard ways of doing it, binding each queen to a hotkey, except he rehotkeyd 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 to SHIFT + 1, 2, 3, Q, E for easier access to them, which also means you can add several queens to one base's hotkey if you have macro hatcheries there and they will inject them without running around the whole map.
My personal opinion is that the advantage of having slighty faster macro hatcheriy injects is negated by the fact that you have to use a weird hotkey like Alt to add to control group.
Just an input about the video: no need to start with long explanations about side-effects like changing shift-add. Begin with the positive: what you offer, instead of delaying it and delaying. And then explain such side-effects.
I could see it changed to alt+number, which probably isn't that much of a problem. Moreover, the whole idea of using shift with such double function - recall and shift command - is pretty neat and can be useful for other things perhaps, so that's nice.
On April 06 2013 05:19 Xylocaine wrote: Can't you just give us a quick breakdown, by writing ? A 10 minutes video just to explain 3 lines of configuration seems a little... excessive. You also clearly state that the link has "details", while all it does is just talk about your new job, there is nothing about the topic (well except the 10 minute video that we can see here too). No offense meant, it's always good to learn new tricks, so thanks for sharing, but I really don't feel like wasting 10 minutes on this...
OP has already spent time making the video and uploading it, and now you want him to write it down for you cause you are too lazy to watch his video. You're a nice person.
Anyway, since I actually am a nice person I'll help you; start at 03:00 in the video and end whenever you understand the method.
Rofl dude, calm down! wtf? chill...
You're the one sounding like you need to calm down, with that reply to his reasonable point. :|
On April 06 2013 05:25 decemvre wrote: Thank you for your reply; however this has nothing to do with the backspace method. The backspace method breaks if you don't have queens on all hatcheries. This one doesn't and it's faster while also giving you hooks to jump from base to base.
I feel like the video really should have included more information like this, showing HOW your method is better than others (even if it might not be as good in others).
In the video, you spend time going over the same sort of things, as well as waiting to get it right after slipping up (which causes quick-to-judge Youtubers to give you thumbs down no doubt), when that could have been edited to only include the good execution of your method and while it should be apparent, phrases like
It's like adding more functionality to the 123 hotkeys other than your army.
probably needed more emphasis to get the point through to the impatient crowd more quickly. ;D They're just video-making tips, by the way, aside from recommending that certain points needed more emphasis within the video. I don't think your video did a good job of conveying how it is better than using F-location camera hotkeys or a rebound backspace method.
and before,
On April 06 2013 05:00 decemvre wrote: Using shift hooks on the queens.
I'm not sure if you meant this the way I interpreted it but if a person slips up while using shift+V for injecting, you can accidentally bind a queen/queens to whatever number you press after the series of injects (if you don't let go of shift quickly enough). I'm not saying that's not worth the 'risk' for some people, but you could be advocating avoiding such a potential mistake, and at least I didn't notice you emphasise the fact that you can avoid it while still having shift-adding using a button other than shift, I just heard you say "but you can still rebind that functionality to another key".
Queens hotkey , hold spawn larva and shift , cycle base key + left clicks . I just make sure I don't click on hatch's which don't have queens yet , coz nothin is worse than wandering queens !!!!
I'll give this a go though , see how it holds up .
I'm also using the backspace method (with backspace rebound to "n", just because I use grid and "n" is easily accessable for me) but I don't really need to pay attention to hatches without queens etc.. What I do for this is that I select my queens, press "x" (inject), hold shift, spam n-click-n-click.... and after I went through all my hatcheries I issue a "stop" command for my queens. That way every hatch than can get injected will get injected and queens won't really wander around if there is some sort of error because the "stop" command prevents that...It's the optimal method I think.
I know a much more efficient and even faster way to spawn larvae. It involves using the F keys for saving locations and changing spawn larvae to Q. Out of all of the methods I've tried, I think this is the best by far.
All queens are on 5, so I usually just press 5, hold shift, press x (for spawn larvae) and click on my hatches on the mini-map.
That way I only spend 1 hotkey for queens and don't have to look away from battles to inject. I don't know why pros don't do this, but until somebody tells me any disadvantage of my method, I'll keep doing it.
On April 07 2013 00:38 sparklyresidue wrote: i feel like a barbarian just hoykeying my hatches 5-8 and manually boxing my queens......
GASP! Did you know you could do that in one less click? Camera hotkey six hatches and inject that way.
It's even faster! Though I have no idea if you use camera hotkeys or not.
Yeah I highly recommend just using camera hotkeys to inject. It's by far the fastest method I've ever used and it has no possible "fuck ups." You don't even have to have queens bound.
On April 07 2013 00:59 kafkaesque wrote: Here's what I do:
All queens are on 5, so I usually just press 5, hold shift, press x (for spawn larvae) and click on my hatches on the mini-map.
That way I only spend 1 hotkey for queens and don't have to look away from battles to inject. I don't know why pros don't do this, but until somebody tells me any disadvantage of my method, I'll keep doing it.
Your method is superior to the one suggested here tbh, I dislike looking away from the battles as well. Using the minimap to inject is much better once you learn how to aim properly.
First action: I press 6 (my button for hatchery queens) Second action: I press 'e' for inject larvae. Third through sixth action: click on each hatchery on the minimap.
All these people with their weird ass ways of injecting hatcheries and their dozens of actions to do so... Seriously? shift 11 e click PER hatchery? Too lazy for that shit man.
On April 06 2013 06:14 Kaitlin wrote: I'm not sure aerodynamic is what we're looking for, but I can't speak to where you are playing...
Impressive how this comment stretches out to impugn my play without adding anything else to the discussion. That the player I was referencing was *ahem*... somewhat high level is, I suppose, neither here nor there either. But seriously, folks, there are many ways to inject larva, but I don't think it is going out on a limb too far to say that simpler methods (what I mean by aerodynamic--you might say it is a metaphor) where you don't have to remap half of your hotkeys for one purpose are going to be generally more effective than ones that do.
using this method too jump between bases seems silly. If i want to move all drones from one hatchery to another lets say in case of a drop the F keys are the only way too doo it. Using your method too jump between bases would deselect all the drones. and then I cant move them. If i have all the F keys as camera locations moving drones from base to base is extremely easy. Also hotkeying queens individually or hotkeying each hatch individually is just as easy as this and injecting can be done just as quickly with either method
Cant you just select all the queens and inject using the minimap? Or even use the camera controls? When I played zerg I would hotkey them to 6 and the F keys for the camera. so 6>F1>Inject>F2>Inject>F3>Inject
On April 07 2013 01:55 Uhh Negative wrote: How would this be an easier than just hotkeying queens to 5-9 and doing:
"55 + v + click" "66 + v + click" etc.
That's what I do and I believe idrA uses this method as well. I must be missing something here?
The point he is making is that 1. It is a lot closer for your fingers to click on (11e 22e 33e qqe wwe) instead of 55v66v77v88v99v 2. with binding your shift you can shift queue your queens in that control group to inject all hatches
I mean it is fast but I don't think it is as fast as the custom camera method.
EPT
