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On March 29 2013 04:09 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 03:40 Destiny wrote:On March 29 2013 03:32 Plansix wrote:On March 29 2013 03:11 Waxangel wrote:On March 29 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
Chan, I love your other shows and the stuff to put together, but I can’t support this one because of your co-host. Its not only him, but his fanbase have been a very toxic influence over the community and I think we have been better off without them. I wish you luck with your other shows and will continued to listen to those. it's only what the community deserves since chanmanv didn't get the necessary support doing a more serious, wholesome show :o Waxangel, that might have some truth to it, but its not about the showing being “wholesome”. I watch all of DJWheat’s stuff and those shows can get really colorful at times. I do not want to see a truly toxic fan base reintroduced to the scene. We generate enough negativity on our own, we don’t need help. If Chan is not getting enough support, there are other ways for him to get more eyes on his shows and he should look into those first. Really, dude, do you even think before you type this shit out? Please tell me one person who has a truly "good" fanbase. The people in Idra's chat? Incontrol's chat? The average person that posts in scv threads or on screddit? Why do you even say shit like this? If you're just going to stereotype or generalize every single fan I have to match the most extreme fans that I have, you could literally make ANYONE's fans look like terrible people. I think Day[9] has nice fans. He sets an example of being positive and constructive and it attracts people who are already like that and it influences people to become more like that. There's no doubt that his fans are better behaved than yours and there's no bewilderment at how he ended up with those fans and how you ended up with yours. And to Waxangel I give the same response: Day[9]. Shows don't have to crank up the scandals to attract more viewers. There are other dimensions of a show to explore or improve. Your suggestion isn't being nice or helpful to anyone. Edit: To be clear, I'm not making any pre-judgements about Unfiltered. Chanmanv and Destiny are perfectly capable of making a good, successful show.
Day[9] is also extremely PC with everything, and one of the more boring people to listen to.
Yes he's nice, but it feels like listening to a robot.
I would categorize people like destiny who actually speak opinions even if unpopular, in a different category than people like day[9] who just say the nicest most un controversial thing they can, and it's unfair to compare them.
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On March 29 2013 04:27 Blargh wrote:
Day[9] has a reputation and a certain personality which makes him very accessible to the common SC2 fan. Hell, Day 9's personality is more of an act than anything else. At least Steven is somewhat true to himself, aka a humorous ass. Though, I could be wrong on that, of course.
Also, boycotting the stream because you don't like his fanbase is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Do you honestly care THAT much about the stream chat or something? Obviously, if you do not like Destiny, then it'd be silly to watch the show since he's a co-host. But I don't think this show is going to suddenly cause the whole SC2/TL community to turn to shit. Most of them probably use TL anyway, so I doubt much will change.
To be clear, I don’t care for Destiny or his opinions to be particularly interesting.
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On March 29 2013 02:23 Plansix wrote:
Chan, I love your other shows and the stuff to put together, but I can’t support this one because of your co-host. Its not only him, but his fanbase have been a very toxic influence over the community and I think we have been better off without them. I wish you luck with your other shows and will continued to listen to those.
I totally agree with this guy. Destiny is an attention seeker who speaks loudly and if he is wrong he runs away look up inside the game 57. Sure maybe he can redeem himself but I frankly wish he would go away and not be listed on teamliquid but all I can do is not watch his stream. But at the end of the day his agruements are constucted likemy niece would construct them and she's 4. Sure day 9 is super nice but he presents good agruements look at him on old state of the game episodes.
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Good luck, I wish you lot's of viewers. It is obvious you deserve more than you get, for putting that much work into it and producing good content. Destiny is probably one of the better choices to have as co-hosts, unlike others ... ha, I remember the older State of the Game, where you could count the words of some "additions" in one show with 2 hands. "I haven't seen X", "I agree", "I have no opinion", "Yes", "No". Nobody wants that shit. Steven will without a doubt bring in a good amount of viewers.
Calling all fans of one person toxic is quite an insolence.
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HeeroFX,
I think you got it backwards. Destiny speaks loudly, and almost always (as seen in this thread actually..) he will NOT run away! He will argue for what he says/does. His arguments are generally pretty rational, but some are worse than others. Compared to the average person, he's far better at reasoning and logical arguments.
Visit his website, he has a lot of well-thought out posts on miscellaneous topics.
His attention mostly comes from speaking his opinion, something most people do in order to avoid controversy. But it looks like the toxins have already reached you, my friend.
Note: I don't even watch Destiny, so I sure hope no one comes in and tries to call me a fan-boy.
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I think they'll make a good tandem. The controversial figure who always speaks his mind + the tactful/polite good guy/moderating force.
Even if the show doesn't last, it might get chanman's other shows more views which is great.. they deserve it.
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I don't think destiny is bad and he is pretty rational and intelligent. Its just the way he argues and his language that deters more sheltered people. If he doesn't want to cater to everyone and be politically correct all the time, I could care less. There are bigger issues in the world than one guy who may or may not influence a couple thousand people in the world.
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Sounds pretty interesting. wondering what issues will be discussed and if more SC2 focus or LoL focus since it seems those are the primary games the two play.
+/- however many viewers because of the hosts, it's nice to see more content and hearing thoughts from people in the community. I wonder how often they'll have guests since having a 2-man show might be hard sometimes to hash out and focus on 1-2 topics.
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On March 29 2013 04:50 Blargh wrote:
HeeroFX,
I think you got it backwards. Destiny speaks loudly, and almost always (as seen in this thread actually..) he will NOT run away! He will argue for what he says/does. His arguments are generally pretty rational, but some are worse than others. Compared to the average person, he's far better at reasoning and logical arguments.
Visit his website, he has a lot of well-thought out posts on miscellaneous topics.
His attention mostly comes from speaking his opinion, something most people do not do to avoid controversy. It looks like the toxins have already reached you, my friend.
Note: I don't even watch Destiny, so I sure hope no one comes in and tries to call me a fan-boy.
well, he did hang up on ITG after making some stupid comments, so, he does run away. that is just one example though. not sure if there are others.
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On March 29 2013 04:57 dAPhREAk wrote:
well, he did hang up on ITG after making some stupid comments, so, he does run away. that is just one example though. not sure if there are others.
Oh, didn't know. Cannot really speak on it since I never saw it. But good thing I threw in an "almost always" in there! ^_~
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very hostile environment for destiny, haha goodluck steven.
I will generalize the TL community as an elitist community. Chanman trying to bring a new show, Unfiltered, is like introducing Jerry Springer Show to an auditorium full of fans for Opera.
You could just not comment on the thread, but to attack the co-host based on the past scandals or generalizing his fanbase shows how much of a bigot you are. Some could say he is toxic to the community but is SC2 not already scandalous? Destiny actually built his fanbase off SC2, and he could as well represent the minority of SC2 that are trolls which I doubt.
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On March 29 2013 04:59 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:57 dAPhREAk wrote:
well, he did hang up on ITG after making some stupid comments, so, he does run away. that is just one example though. not sure if there are others. Oh, didn't know. Cannot really speak on it since I never saw it. But good thing I threw in an "almost always" in there! ^_~
it was pretty funny, you should check it out. i am going to check out the show tonight just in the hope that some shenanigans happen . i know you're reading this thread destiny. make the shenaningans happen. =)
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On March 29 2013 04:57 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:50 Blargh wrote:
HeeroFX,
I think you got it backwards. Destiny speaks loudly, and almost always (as seen in this thread actually..) he will NOT run away! He will argue for what he says/does. His arguments are generally pretty rational, but some are worse than others. Compared to the average person, he's far better at reasoning and logical arguments.
Visit his website, he has a lot of well-thought out posts on miscellaneous topics.
His attention mostly comes from speaking his opinion, something most people do not do to avoid controversy. It looks like the toxins have already reached you, my friend.
Note: I don't even watch Destiny, so I sure hope no one comes in and tries to call me a fan-boy. well, he did hang up on ITG after making some stupid comments, so, he does run away. that is just one example though. not sure if there are others.
I love how your presenting such a weak argument, you watched that episode, did he RUN away? some will say yes. but if you watched it you would notice why he walked out. the hosts weren't being hosts but were only attacking him. hi 5! yay! they so cool!
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On March 29 2013 05:03 KlinKz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:57 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 29 2013 04:50 Blargh wrote:
HeeroFX,
I think you got it backwards. Destiny speaks loudly, and almost always (as seen in this thread actually..) he will NOT run away! He will argue for what he says/does. His arguments are generally pretty rational, but some are worse than others. Compared to the average person, he's far better at reasoning and logical arguments.
Visit his website, he has a lot of well-thought out posts on miscellaneous topics.
His attention mostly comes from speaking his opinion, something most people do not do to avoid controversy. It looks like the toxins have already reached you, my friend.
Note: I don't even watch Destiny, so I sure hope no one comes in and tries to call me a fan-boy. well, he did hang up on ITG after making some stupid comments, so, he does run away. that is just one example though. not sure if there are others. I love how your presenting such a weak argument, you watched that episode, did he RUN away? some will say yes. but if you watched it you would notice why he walked out. the hosts weren't being hosts but were only attacking him. hi 5! yay! they so cool!
Well it would have been ok, if they just attacked him through verbal disagreements. However, what happened in that show was more like "adult bullying".
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On March 29 2013 05:03 KlinKz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:57 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 29 2013 04:50 Blargh wrote:
HeeroFX,
I think you got it backwards. Destiny speaks loudly, and almost always (as seen in this thread actually..) he will NOT run away! He will argue for what he says/does. His arguments are generally pretty rational, but some are worse than others. Compared to the average person, he's far better at reasoning and logical arguments.
Visit his website, he has a lot of well-thought out posts on miscellaneous topics.
His attention mostly comes from speaking his opinion, something most people do not do to avoid controversy. It looks like the toxins have already reached you, my friend.
Note: I don't even watch Destiny, so I sure hope no one comes in and tries to call me a fan-boy. well, he did hang up on ITG after making some stupid comments, so, he does run away. that is just one example though. not sure if there are others. I love how your presenting such a weak argument, you watched that episode, did he RUN away? some will say yes. but if you watched it you would notice why he walked out. the hosts weren't being hosts but were only attacking him. hi 5! yay! they so cool!
he made comments and then hung up. if you want to have a semantics debate about whether that is running away or not, go for it.
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I like Steven having his own outlet to speak.
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On March 29 2013 04:27 Blargh wrote:
Day[9] has a reputation and a certain personality which makes him very accessible to the common SC2 fan. Hell, Day 9's personality is more of an act than anything else. At least Steven is somewhat true to himself, aka a humorous ass. Though, I could be wrong on that, of course.
wait, I'm sorry, what?!
Day9 is genuinely nice, and his on-air personality is VERY much like his regular personality. About the only "act" he puts on is that he's a little bit more energetic on air (I guess. a little).
Not saying anything negative about Destiny. I have no problems with the guy, and I love Chanman, so hopefully good things will come of the show :D
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On March 29 2013 05:13 FilthyRake wrote:
wait, I'm sorry, what?!
Day9 is genuinely nice, and his on-air personality is VERY much like his regular personality. About the only "act" he puts on is that he's a little bit more energetic on air (I guess. a little).
Not saying anything negative about Destiny. I have no problems with the guy, and I love Chanman, so hopefully good things will come of the show :D
I did say "I could be wrong, of course." since I do not know for certain (obviously). I just find it more likely that Day [9] is different from the persona he is known for. I suppose there's no way for us to know that, though, now is there? Like other public figures (especially politicians), there's more to them than what they show.
His personality may lead to a nicer community overall, but I doubt people change that much. I think what ends up happening is that the people who do not care for his personality stop watching him, and the people who do like his personality do watch him. Nothing more. A smile can go a long way, but even Steven smiles! 
@dAPhREAk
Well, what HeeroFX said was "Destiny is an attention seeker who speaks loudly and if he is wrong he runs away look up inside the game 57". In that case, he may have ran away, but was he seeking attention? I doubt it. And, I have seen some of the video. Honestly, I think Steven's points on what HotS needed was pretty close. Incontrol went on to say how "Steven is saying how Blizzard should make THEIR OWN GAME!", but seriously, Blizzard DOES need that guidance. Do you know how many stupid-ass things Blizzard does? Diablo 3 is the perfect example of it, too. (There's a reason why TONS of the people who bought D3 fled). A lot of what Destiny did say did happen. The game is quite a bit more accessible now, whether or not that was due to Steven, I do not know. Also, Incontrol made far WORSE points. Both parties were somewhat wrong about somethings, but I definitely think Destiny defended his point just fine.
So, he didn't really run away, the hosts just made stupid comments having little to do with what he said. Honestly, I don't know why you referenced this episode, because he did exactly as I said. He defended his point and no one refuted them.
Incontrol even said the argument is about "Is this the only way change will happen" or "is it not the only way...?" which honestly, is barely worth spending more than 3 minutes of arguing.
I watched the part where Steven came on again, so that's why it is so detailed.
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On March 29 2013 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 05:03 KlinKz wrote:On March 29 2013 04:57 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 29 2013 04:50 Blargh wrote:
HeeroFX,
I think you got it backwards. Destiny speaks loudly, and almost always (as seen in this thread actually..) he will NOT run away! He will argue for what he says/does. His arguments are generally pretty rational, but some are worse than others. Compared to the average person, he's far better at reasoning and logical arguments.
Visit his website, he has a lot of well-thought out posts on miscellaneous topics.
His attention mostly comes from speaking his opinion, something most people do not do to avoid controversy. It looks like the toxins have already reached you, my friend.
Note: I don't even watch Destiny, so I sure hope no one comes in and tries to call me a fan-boy. well, he did hang up on ITG after making some stupid comments, so, he does run away. that is just one example though. not sure if there are others. I love how your presenting such a weak argument, you watched that episode, did he RUN away? some will say yes. but if you watched it you would notice why he walked out. the hosts weren't being hosts but were only attacking him. hi 5! yay! they so cool! he made comments and then hung up. if you want to have a semantics debate about whether that is running away or not, go for it.
Let us state the fact that in my previous comment that I asked "did he run away?" I also said "... he walked out"
Hmmm, lets talk about why he ran away. Lets change the environment into a more Destiny persona stream, if we had DJwheat, Incontrol, Idra, Demu into DESTINYS stream. or only one of them into a stream full of Destiny persona's (like where his co-hosts are likely to agree with Destiny). You would notice it was a hostile environment.
He was brought into a hostile environment already. He had to run away. Even when Destiny was not on the stream, as a viewer of ITG i could say that there have been times in which Incontrol would attack Destiny (WHY i must ask, theres no reason too and I AM GLAD that destiny isnt mentioned on the stream anymore). The episode is very ugly as there was no intellectual debate, there was no moderators for the talk. it was just a gangbang fest on destiny.
Thats why he ran but I am sure you wouldve ran too. obivously he didnt respond to it in a Day9 way but man. if you had a bunch of dudes hating on you for your opinion then damn esports isnt ready for shit then.
I am no longer going to post on this thread as it is just nonsense, I hope the best for Unfiltered and I will be watching it. Please take note that I do support EG as I am a regular viewer for ITG, Suppy and Idra and I am a fan of Destiny. Fans do overlap.
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On March 29 2013 05:13 FilthyRake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:27 Blargh wrote:
Day[9] has a reputation and a certain personality which makes him very accessible to the common SC2 fan. Hell, Day 9's personality is more of an act than anything else. At least Steven is somewhat true to himself, aka a humorous ass. Though, I could be wrong on that, of course.
wait, I'm sorry, what?! Day9 is genuinely nice, and his on-air personality is VERY much like his regular personality. About the only "act" he puts on is that he's a little bit more energetic on air (I guess. a little). Not saying anything negative about Destiny. I have no problems with the guy, and I love Chanman, so hopefully good things will come of the show :D
According to people who know him before he sc2 came out, he is "acting" right now.
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