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On March 29 2013 05:26 Hider wrote: According to people who know him before he sc2 came out, he is "acting" right now.
Well, I'm not his BFF or anything (though my coworker is the legendary Tristan), but I've met him many times, and interact with him reasonably often, and if he is acting he does it more often and with more energy than I would believe possible
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Do we always have to shit on everything? At least watch it before you criticize.
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See ? It was a good move, already 4 pages on a ChamanV thread.
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On March 29 2013 05:32 Little-Chimp wrote: Do we always have to shit on everything? At least watch it before you criticize.
Informed opinions are not appreciated on TL.
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I personally stopped following or supporting or "being a fan of" Destiny in general after the incident on ITG, but I actually think this is an interesting idea for a show.
Chanman's calm rationalism should be a pretty interesting counterbalance to Destiny's off the cuff sensationalism. I think this is the perfect show for Destiny to be on really... If it doesn't work and devolves into Destiny simply screaming at people without considering their points or admitting when his argument has lost its footing then I'm sure Chanman will know to pull the plug on the conversation if it goes to far.
Bottom line: It could be a horrible failure, but it could be really entertaining so I'm willing to give this a shot!
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On March 29 2013 05:26 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 05:13 FilthyRake wrote:On March 29 2013 04:27 Blargh wrote: Day[9] has a reputation and a certain personality which makes him very accessible to the common SC2 fan. Hell, Day 9's personality is more of an act than anything else. At least Steven is somewhat true to himself, aka a humorous ass. Though, I could be wrong on that, of course. wait, I'm sorry, what?! Day9 is genuinely nice, and his on-air personality is VERY much like his regular personality. About the only "act" he puts on is that he's a little bit more energetic on air (I guess. a little). Not saying anything negative about Destiny. I have no problems with the guy, and I love Chanman, so hopefully good things will come of the show :D According to people who know him before he sc2 came out, he is "acting" right now.
I think we all know the Day 9 is acting a bit and putting on a show for the crowd However, I believe that Day 9 is truly enthusiastic about SC2, games and does like his fans a lot. He may not be as over the top when it is not on camera, but we are all pretty aware that he is an entertainer.
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Destiny is a true fucking gangster, he doesn't pretend to be someone else ala day9. Being a fake is worse then being an asshole. When you hide from the truth you are the problem not the solution.
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If history is anything to go off of: something controversial will happen and Chanman will either get rid of Destiny/cancel the show, someone will do some DDOSing, or /r/SRS will ruin the show.
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ANYWAY, This thread is proof that there are people interested in it (hell, I just spent 30 minutes arguing for Destiny and I don't currently watch the guy!). Also, if you do not like Steven, you really do not have to watch it. I don't go into the Korean Music Discussion and say how I do not think Korean pop music should exist, do I? Let people do as they please. If the show doesn't get a lot of views because Destiny is on it, then that's that. The show will likely stop and there is no problem. It's not like Chan is sacrificing much to do this (other than his time, of course!)
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glhf Chanman and Destiny~
Will be cool to watch as Thursdays feel so empty '~'
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On March 29 2013 05:50 TeslasPigeon wrote: If history is anything to go off of: something controversial will happen and Chanman will either get rid of Destiny/cancel the show, someone will do some DDOSing, or /r/SRS will ruin the show.
Maybe, but it will be one hell of a ride. Can't wait.
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On March 29 2013 05:26 KlinKz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 29 2013 05:03 KlinKz wrote:On March 29 2013 04:57 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 29 2013 04:50 Blargh wrote: HeeroFX, I think you got it backwards. Destiny speaks loudly, and almost always (as seen in this thread actually..) he will NOT run away! He will argue for what he says/does. His arguments are generally pretty rational, but some are worse than others. Compared to the average person, he's far better at reasoning and logical arguments. Visit his website, he has a lot of well-thought out posts on miscellaneous topics.
His attention mostly comes from speaking his opinion, something most people do not do to avoid controversy. It looks like the toxins have already reached you, my friend.
Note: I don't even watch Destiny, so I sure hope no one comes in and tries to call me a fan-boy. well, he did hang up on ITG after making some stupid comments, so, he does run away. that is just one example though. not sure if there are others. I love how your presenting such a weak argument, you watched that episode, did he RUN away? some will say yes. but if you watched it you would notice why he walked out. the hosts weren't being hosts but were only attacking him. hi 5! yay! they so cool! he made comments and then hung up. if you want to have a semantics debate about whether that is running away or not, go for it. Let us state the fact that in my previous comment that I asked "did he run away?" I also said "... he walked out" Hmmm, lets talk about why he ran away. Lets change the environment into a more Destiny persona stream, if we had DJwheat, Incontrol, Idra, Demu into DESTINYS stream. or only one of them into a stream full of Destiny persona's (like where his co-hosts are likely to agree with Destiny). You would notice it was a hostile environment. He was brought into a hostile environment already. He had to run away. Even when Destiny was not on the stream, as a viewer of ITG i could say that there have been times in which Incontrol would attack Destiny (WHY i must ask, theres no reason too and I AM GLAD that destiny isnt mentioned on the stream anymore). The episode is very ugly as there was no intellectual debate, there was no moderators for the talk. it was just a gangbang fest on destiny. Thats why he ran but I am sure you wouldve ran too. obivously he didnt respond to it in a Day9 way but man. if you had a bunch of dudes hating on you for your opinion then damn esports isnt ready for shit then. I am no longer going to post on this thread as it is just nonsense, I hope the best for Unfiltered and I will be watching it. Please take note that I do support EG as I am a regular viewer for ITG, Suppy and Idra and I am a fan of Destiny. Fans do overlap. i am glad we are in agreement that he ran away. for a second there, i thought you were disputing it.
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On March 29 2013 05:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 05:26 Hider wrote:On March 29 2013 05:13 FilthyRake wrote:On March 29 2013 04:27 Blargh wrote: Day[9] has a reputation and a certain personality which makes him very accessible to the common SC2 fan. Hell, Day 9's personality is more of an act than anything else. At least Steven is somewhat true to himself, aka a humorous ass. Though, I could be wrong on that, of course. wait, I'm sorry, what?! Day9 is genuinely nice, and his on-air personality is VERY much like his regular personality. About the only "act" he puts on is that he's a little bit more energetic on air (I guess. a little). Not saying anything negative about Destiny. I have no problems with the guy, and I love Chanman, so hopefully good things will come of the show :D According to people who know him before he sc2 came out, he is "acting" right now. I think we all know the Day 9 is acting a bit and putting on a show for the crowd However, I believe that Day 9 is truly enthusiastic about SC2, games and does like his fans a lot. He may not be as over the top when it is not on camera, but we are all pretty aware that he is an entertainer.
Yeh definitely - He is really good for the community and a lot of new players like to watch the daily thing.
However, I don't understand why you only thing personalities who are "overly" positive are good for esports/sc2. Personally I belive we need a variety of personalities to satify the needs of different "consumers/viewers". Also I do think it is very important that we can never be satifised with the status quo and we need to have people to discuss potential solututions in order to progress as an esports. The "everything is going to be alright if we are just happy" is IMO not a very good approach.
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On March 29 2013 04:50 Blargh wrote: HeeroFX, I think you got it backwards. Destiny speaks loudly, and almost always (as seen in this thread actually..) he will NOT run away! He will argue for what he says/does. His arguments are generally pretty rational, but some are worse than others. Compared to the average person, he's far better at reasoning and logical arguments. Visit his website, he has a lot of well-thought out posts on miscellaneous topics.
His attention mostly comes from speaking his opinion, something most people do in order to avoid controversy. But it looks like the toxins have already reached you, my friend.
Note: I don't even watch Destiny, so I sure hope no one comes in and tries to call me a fan-boy.
No I got it the way I meant it. Like I said check out that episode of inside the game. Destiny vs day9 is such a bad comparison. Destiny does nothing but stream and talk trash. He cries wolf all the time. He is like glen beck a guy who does and says things for attention. Day9 works hard to create content, to spread the good stuff of sc2. Day9 played bw he comentates and tries to build up esports from the sc side. Day9 is like a Beatle huge fans all love him, some weridly in love with him. Sure destiny is defending himself but its his thread to defend, if he said nothing I would be surprised.
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On March 29 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote: See ? It was a good move, already 4 pages on a ChamanV thread. That's true, at least it draws some much needed attention to an underappreciated pillar of our community. Chanman's such a hard worker, hopefully this results in more viewers for him! That being said though, I also say that I won't watch anything involving Destiny. Imo, he's proven that he doesn't give a shit about the game or our community - he's done a lot of bad things for us, and he shouldn't try to come back.
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On March 29 2013 06:04 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 05:41 Plansix wrote:On March 29 2013 05:26 Hider wrote:On March 29 2013 05:13 FilthyRake wrote:On March 29 2013 04:27 Blargh wrote: Day[9] has a reputation and a certain personality which makes him very accessible to the common SC2 fan. Hell, Day 9's personality is more of an act than anything else. At least Steven is somewhat true to himself, aka a humorous ass. Though, I could be wrong on that, of course. wait, I'm sorry, what?! Day9 is genuinely nice, and his on-air personality is VERY much like his regular personality. About the only "act" he puts on is that he's a little bit more energetic on air (I guess. a little). Not saying anything negative about Destiny. I have no problems with the guy, and I love Chanman, so hopefully good things will come of the show :D According to people who know him before he sc2 came out, he is "acting" right now. I think we all know the Day 9 is acting a bit and putting on a show for the crowd However, I believe that Day 9 is truly enthusiastic about SC2, games and does like his fans a lot. He may not be as over the top when it is not on camera, but we are all pretty aware that he is an entertainer. Yeh definitely - He is really good for the community and a lot of new players like to watch the daily thing. However, I don't understand why you only thing personalities who are "overly" positive are good for esports/sc2. Personally I belive we need a variety of personalities to satify the needs of different "consumers/viewers". Also I do think it is very important that we can never be satifised with the status quo and we need to have people to discuss potential solututions in order to progress as an esports. The "everything is going to be alright if we are just happy" is IMO not a very good approach.
I agree and want people to question and challenge the status quo. I like people who look at things objectively and try to find solutions to problems in the scene and challenge things that are stupid. But there is a difference between being critical and being mindlessly negative for the sake of doing so. Ideally, I would like someone who is positive and also critical when necessary, trying to keep everyone honest, but not be destructive because they can be.
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@HeeroFX Zzz, you didn't even read my second post then (it's really long). I watched every Destiny-related bit in that ITG episode. You are flat-out wrong if you think Destiny failed to defend his argument in that video/stream. Saying that all Destiny does is beg for attention then run away is silly. You clearly do not know anything about Destiny and are in no position to criticize the guy. I would love for YOU to defend YOUR argument, actually. Don't just run off now!
@ACrow "Doesn't give a shit about the game" He may not care much for SC2 now, but it would be stupid to say that he never cared about it. He did, after all, write a huge-ass reddit post about what HotS needs, which was the talk-of-TL for at least a week. He's a controversial character, but he isn't as bad as you make him sound.
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On March 29 2013 06:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 06:04 Hider wrote:On March 29 2013 05:41 Plansix wrote:On March 29 2013 05:26 Hider wrote:On March 29 2013 05:13 FilthyRake wrote:On March 29 2013 04:27 Blargh wrote: Day[9] has a reputation and a certain personality which makes him very accessible to the common SC2 fan. Hell, Day 9's personality is more of an act than anything else. At least Steven is somewhat true to himself, aka a humorous ass. Though, I could be wrong on that, of course. wait, I'm sorry, what?! Day9 is genuinely nice, and his on-air personality is VERY much like his regular personality. About the only "act" he puts on is that he's a little bit more energetic on air (I guess. a little). Not saying anything negative about Destiny. I have no problems with the guy, and I love Chanman, so hopefully good things will come of the show :D According to people who know him before he sc2 came out, he is "acting" right now. I think we all know the Day 9 is acting a bit and putting on a show for the crowd However, I believe that Day 9 is truly enthusiastic about SC2, games and does like his fans a lot. He may not be as over the top when it is not on camera, but we are all pretty aware that he is an entertainer. Yeh definitely - He is really good for the community and a lot of new players like to watch the daily thing. However, I don't understand why you only thing personalities who are "overly" positive are good for esports/sc2. Personally I belive we need a variety of personalities to satify the needs of different "consumers/viewers". Also I do think it is very important that we can never be satifised with the status quo and we need to have people to discuss potential solututions in order to progress as an esports. The "everything is going to be alright if we are just happy" is IMO not a very good approach. I agree and want people to question and challenge the status quo. I like people who look at things objectively and try to find solutions to problems in the scene and challenge things that are stupid. But there is a difference between being critical and being mindlessly negative for the sake of doing so. Ideally, I would like someone who is positive and also critical when necessary, trying to keep everyone honest, but not be destructive because they can be.
Why do you think Destiny is mindlessly negative? Which part of his original post (that caused all the trouble) did you disagree with?
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Regardless of how long the show lasts, I think it will be good publicity for Chanman and will be entertaining to watch. But I would like to point out something that is past the point of ridiculous. This "for the E-sports" thought process is bs and needs to stop. If you do everything "For E-sports" and behave in a manner "that will enhance E-sports" you essentially create a bubble where in the short term you have a positive effect but in the long term you actually hinder the community; Just do something because you as a person or group think it will be beneficial for you and if E-sports grows then that is a bonus. We don't need certain personalities for E-sports to grow, we don't need to take auditions for Community leaders that target audiences.
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This is pretty awesome, Chanman has some great content and always keep his youtube up to date so its easy to get everything, I "found" him recently and have been listening to some of his previous shows, so to see him adding more stuff is very nice.
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