EPTA very big change in KR SC2 scene will be announced(0403)…
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Azhrei16
United States284 Posts
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Pimpmuckl
Germany528 Posts
On March 25 2013 15:51 canikizu wrote: LAN coming? Step the fuck down son, it would be all over the newspapers, airplanes in the sky would play the news propaganda style and the military would make a parade because it would be so sick. Alright, back to not beeing retarded: Is it only me beeing HYPED AS FUCK? Love it! On March 26 2013 02:00 Azhrei16 wrote: I wish Blizzard would put this much effort and attention into the foreigner/American/European scene. It seems like everyone except Korea gets ignored now and that really sucks. I guess the foreigner scene truly is on the way out it seems... regardless, it will be interesting what this news means for Gom and Kespa. Wat? Blizzard sponsors every second crappy tournament in eu/us if i'm not mistaken. They did not care enough about SC2 in Korea where it could have been huge and now try to "fix" this stuff and finally we see major steps forward in the Korean Scene. And also WCS was/is awesome, the price pools were insane for the competition and it was great for smaller countries. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 26 2013 00:31 BronzeKnee wrote: Well, given their history you have to admit that often when Blizzard gets involved bad things happen... I mean Blizzard really blew the whole introduction of SC2 to Korea... The issue here is that the only thing Blizzard seems to doing lately is trying to figure out a way to make more money, not to necessarily improve their game or the league. Unfortunately Blizzard doesn't seem to realize those things go hand in hand. Look at Diablo 3, they added in a feature to make money and the result was that it ruined the game, as the whole game revolves around buying and selling items which has the side effect of handing Blizzard money. i neither have to admit, nor do i agree with your statements. i also am tired of people complaining about blizzard trying to make money off their product--an interesting assertion since they are apparently guaranteeing $1.8M a year. people really need to join the real world someday. | ||
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
US date/month format gets me every time >_> | ||
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Azhrei16
United States284 Posts
On March 26 2013 02:02 Pimpmuckl wrote: Step the fuck down son, it would be all over the newspapers, airplanes in the sky would play the news propaganda style and the military would make a parade because it would be so sick. Alright, back to not beeing retarded: Is it only me beeing HYPED AS FUCK? Love it! Wat? Blizzard sponsors every second crappy tournament in eu/us if i'm not mistaken. They did not care enough about SC2 in Korea where it could have been huge and now try to "fix" this stuff and finally we see major steps forward in the Korean Scene. And also WCS was/is awesome, the price pools were insane for the competition and it was great for smaller countries. They give large amounts of money and help with the tournaments? Or do they just plaster their name on them since it is their game? I understand Starcraft hasn't been where they or we have wanted it in Korea, I never said it was a bad thing. I would just like the same amount of attentiveness to the other scenes. The American scene is basically dead. WCS was awesome! However, that is a once a year thing if I am not mistaken. Not daily/monthly tournaments for foreigners. EDIT: Just wanted to say nothing in this post is sarcasm, I am generally interested and would like to know  | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On March 25 2013 23:12 docvoc wrote: I doubt they can go over KeSPA's head on this one. We have to remember that KeSPA is a government organization, they aren't a private firm; furthermore, with their new head being a supposedly powerful Korean politician (who I'm sure has enormous connections) in the Korean parliament, I doubt Blizz will be able to get rid of KeSPA. SKTelecom and SKplanet along with the other corporations that fund the different games, like Olympus are also larger corporations than Blizz, so I don't think they would be too in favor of Blizz coming in and tried to take over. Um, I don't think they're trying to get rid of them. It makes sense for Blizzard to try and reach an agreement between GOM and OGN as their Korean broadcasters and unite Leagues. They certainly are trying to position themselves to have more control over the scene. That's for sure. On March 26 2013 02:13 Azhrei16 wrote: They give large amounts of money and help with the tournaments? Or do they just plaster their name on them since it is their game? I understand Starcraft hasn't been where they or we have wanted it in Korea, I never said it was a bad thing. I would just like the same amount of attentiveness to the other scenes. The American scene is basically dead. WCS was awesome! However, that is a once a year thing if I am not mistaken. Not daily/monthly tournaments for foreigners. EDIT: Just wanted to say nothing in this post is sarcasm, I am generally interested and would like to know Remember how Sundance wanted to set-up a permanent studio in Columbus? Yeah. Anyway, they found their offices in New York to be convenient and there's still plenty of lans/tournaments in NA. Nothing wrong with centralization and you guys should be fortunate to have MLG and NASL still going. | ||
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On March 26 2013 02:10 Nekovivie wrote: Big announcement on 4th March! US date/month format gets me every time >_> This is why there /is/ an international date format that people are supposed to use online: YYYY-MM-DD. So it should be 2013-04-03. Sadly ISO 8601 isn't super well adopted. So really, the headline was correct, as much as I am personally a fan of DD MM YYYY. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
On March 26 2013 02:00 Azhrei16 wrote: I wish Blizzard would put this much effort and attention into the foreigner/American/European scene. It seems like everyone except Korea gets ignored now and that really sucks. I guess the foreigner scene truly is on the way out it seems... regardless, it will be interesting what this news means for Gom and Kespa. Considering the Starcraft eSports scene was born and raised in S. Korea, it makes sense that Blizzard's focus is on the Korean scene. This is like complaining that the NFL gets all the love from the big American Football sponsors (Reebok/RBK, Under Armor, etc). As long as the scene is thriving where it matters, we should be happy. Korean players seem to constantly migrate to foreign teams (at least within the last year or so). At first it was the smaller names and declining players who were off their respective teams, then some big names made the move. It's getting to the point where, like professional Football (Soccer), the players are playing for clubs outside of their home country. The difference between SC2 and football lies in the fact that the staying power and the talent, as well as the main fanbase, is in Korea. If the foreign scene wants a semblance of legitimacy the foreign teams need to stop trying to grow themselves on the backs of Korean players. AFAIC, the announcement is probably going to be an injection of funds to revitalize the struggling Korean teams. They're actually dying off one by one. A failing Korean scene will cascade to the lesser foreign scenes as quality of the player-base is diminished. Blizzard likely recognizes the threat this poses to their bottom line. A successful foreign scene almost depends entirely upon the success of the game in Korea. | ||
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L0L
United States176 Posts
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Azhrei16
United States284 Posts
On March 26 2013 02:13 StarStruck wrote: Um, I don't think they're trying to get rid of them. It makes sense for Blizzard to try and reach an agreement between GOM and OGN as their Korean broadcasters and unite Leagues. They certainly are trying to position themselves to have more control over the scene. That's for sure. Remember how Sundance wanted to set-up a permanent studio in Columbus? Yeah. Anyway, they found their offices in New York to be convenient and there's still plenty of lans/tournaments in NA. Nothing wrong with centralization and you guys should be fortunate to have MLG and NASL still going. MLG and NASL have been completely dominated by Koreans, though. I am just saying it would be nice to see some tournaments where it's only foreigners. I would love to watch something with Nony, Idra, Huk, qxc, goswser, Vibe, Major, facing off against each other. | ||
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Scarlett`
Canada2385 Posts
I don't like it at all >< I guess it will help revive the dying foreigner scene but from what it looks like it will hurt the Korean players | ||
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Azhrei16
United States284 Posts
On March 26 2013 02:18 dUTtrOACh wrote: Considering the Starcraft eSports scene was born and raised in S. Korea, it makes sense that Blizzard's focus is on the Korean scene. This is like complaining that the NFL gets all the love from the big American Football sponsors (Reebok/RBK, Under Armor, etc). As long as the scene is thriving where it matters, we should be happy. Korean players seem to constantly migrate to foreign teams (at least within the last year or so). At first it was the smaller names and declining players who were off their respective teams, then some big names made the move. It's getting to the point where, like professional Football (Soccer), the players are playing for clubs outside of their home country. The difference between SC2 and football lies in the fact that the staying power and the talent, as well as the main fanbase, is in Korea. If the foreign scene wants a semblance of legitimacy the foreign teams need to stop trying to grow themselves on the backs of Korean players. AFAIC, the announcement is probably going to be an injection of funds to revitalize the struggling Korean teams. They're actually dying off one by one. A failing Korean scene will cascade to the lesser foreign scenes as quality of the player-base is diminished. Blizzard likely recognizes the threat this poses to their bottom line. A successful foreign scene almost depends entirely upon the success of the game in Korea. I like what you said about foreign teams not trying to grow themselves on the backs of Korean players. I think that is one of the bigger issues we have seen coming to reality in the past year or so, like you said. Good points. | ||
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MarkCJ
Canada239 Posts
probably will tbh | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
can we get "30 is the new 20" parody, "blizzard is the new kespa" | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On March 26 2013 02:21 Azhrei16 wrote: MLG and NASL have been completely dominated by Koreans, though. I am just saying it would be nice to see some tournaments where it's only foreigners. I would love to watch something with Nony, Idra, Huk, qxc, goswser, Vibe, Major, facing off against each other. I'm going to roll me eyes now. It comes down to rewarding the players who deserve it most and you can go all nationalist when it comes to the WCS/WCG. I'm all about having players earn their keep and put the time into precision practice. With that said, the system is more than fair when it comes to those tournaments and there are tons of foreigners who have always competed in them. On March 26 2013 02:23 Azhrei16 wrote: I like what you said about foreign teams not trying to grow themselves on the backs of Korean players. I think that is one of the bigger issues we have seen coming to reality in the past year or so, like you said. Good points. That's the easy way. Tried; tested; and, proven. Not all Koreans benefit from joining these teams. We've seen plenty of examples where they fall off because they don't necessarily have the same resources as they did in the motherland. There are many reasons for them to join foreigner teams. For example, ESF teams don't have the same kind of money, Korean players (just like other foreigners!) are lied to when they join shitty upstart teams. It happens. They don't get paid; they don't find the money they were looking for so they settle for that crap. Other reasons include they want to see the world and what else is out there. Even if the foreigner teams would recruit more foreign prospects the results would mostly be the same. You want to get good? Go to Korea. Not for 3 months. Find a team. Live there. The end. Their infrastructure has always been better and that's never going to change. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 26 2013 01:53 Irre wrote: Honestly do you ever stop going on about giving foreigners free money for not living in Korea and working hard? Ofc you like the Riot System better because its much more about the "white kids", despite even for LoL the Asian scenes are already becoming way better. I will withhold judgement until announcement. Would be nice to see some cooperation between all the leagues in Korea, but I hope that they don't get rid of any of them. Except maybe OSL because I don't really enjoy the format as much as GSL, but it does have so much history.. Not until MGL and other NA events stop providing special brackets, free plane tickets and hotel stays to Korean teams and players just to assure they attend their events. Or did everyone forget that the most recent MGL system had a specific system to assure that Korean players qualified for the event? Or the MLG vs Proleague Invitational from 2012? which might as well have been called, "Make sure Proleague player do not need to go through the open bracket" event. Seriously, high level Korean players get enough free passes to NA events, seeds and special rules to assure they will attend. I think it is complete BS that an underdog NA player had to go through the entire open bracket MGL winter 2012, but Kespa players had a special rule made up so they can avoid the open bracket. The Riot system is better because it lets teams compete on their own space and rise to the top. The top ranked NA team just got shut down by a high level Korean team at a recent event. The NA team said they overthought the match up and their star players got focused won. They also said they are preparing for their next show down with the Korean team at another major event. That is way more exciting than the Korean team being seeded into the top of the NA league to crush the NA top team. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On March 26 2013 02:21 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: This isn't limited to to the KR scene at all (remember the tweet Sundance made in response to questions about no MLG open bracket~) I don't like it at all >< I guess it will help revive the dying foreigner scene but from what it looks like it will hurt the Korean players I'm confused as to how injecting two million dollars into the Korean scene hurts Korea. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On March 26 2013 02:21 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: This isn't limited to to the KR scene at all (remember the tweet Sundance made in response to questions about no MLG open bracket~) I don't like it at all >< I guess it will help revive the dying foreigner scene but from what it looks like it will hurt the Korean players oh well now it sounds like it's injecting the WCS idea into major tournaments. i guess catz will be happy. | ||
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