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On April 03 2013 08:18 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:45 grapedog wrote:
blizzard comes out with new maps that are weird or experimental.... get the pitchforks, hang em!
Kespa comes out with news maps that are weird or experimental.... praise kespa, long live kespa!
The hypocrisy is so thick in here its ridiculous. thats my cake, i can have, and eat it too! This has annoyed me too. The same thing happened with GSL maps too, but with Kespa maps there seems to be an extra element to it. Like these old BW followers seem to consider everything Kespa produces a gift from god, no matter how obviously flawed it is.
One organization has made great maps for a decade, and It tests its maps before release with progamers. The other doesn't.
Also, old BW followers know more about what KESPA has done right and wrong than those who just jumped on board the SC2 train. Perhaps they have a perspective that should be considered?
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On April 03 2013 08:18 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:45 grapedog wrote:
blizzard comes out with new maps that are weird or experimental.... get the pitchforks, hang em!
Kespa comes out with news maps that are weird or experimental.... praise kespa, long live kespa!
The hypocrisy is so thick in here its ridiculous. thats my cake, i can have, and eat it too! This has annoyed me too. The same thing happened with GSL maps too, but with Kespa maps there seems to be an extra element to it. Like these old BW followers seem to consider everything Kespa produces a gift from god, no matter how obviously flawed it is.
Where are you finding these experimental blizzard maps?
+ Show Spoiler +All I see are badly designed maps. Keep in mind that not all, but most of the kespa maps actually have design theory behind them other than balance (concept, proportions, distances, vulnerabiities, innovative features, etc.)
[edit] Quoted the wrong person.
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On April 03 2013 08:36 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 08:18 Bagi wrote:On April 02 2013 22:45 grapedog wrote:
blizzard comes out with new maps that are weird or experimental.... get the pitchforks, hang em!
Kespa comes out with news maps that are weird or experimental.... praise kespa, long live kespa!
The hypocrisy is so thick in here its ridiculous. thats my cake, i can have, and eat it too! This has annoyed me too. The same thing happened with GSL maps too, but with Kespa maps there seems to be an extra element to it. Like these old BW followers seem to consider everything Kespa produces a gift from god, no matter how obviously flawed it is. One organization has made great maps for a decade, and It tests its maps before release with progamers. The other doesn't. Also, old BW followers know more about what KESPA has done right and wrong than those who just jumped on board the SC2 train. Perhaps they have a perspective that should be considered?
Perspective in what, how mapmaking actually works in SC2? Because to me that's what matters, we should look at the map and not who made it.
Not to even mention BW was a very different type of system where it was balanced through maps and maps alone, trying to add in wildly different map concepts in SC2 will only make a bigger mess.
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I trust Kespa to design maps worthy of progaming, and to not have rock and Xel 'Naga tower fetish. Yes, I'm biased - bite me.
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Newkirk looks like a huge improvment, hopefully if it turns out as good as I think it will they will add it to the ladder instead of the current version. The other maps work because of the format, dunno if they will be good for anything else but the proleague or other team leagues though.
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On April 03 2013 08:36 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 08:18 Bagi wrote:On April 02 2013 22:45 grapedog wrote:
blizzard comes out with new maps that are weird or experimental.... get the pitchforks, hang em!
Kespa comes out with news maps that are weird or experimental.... praise kespa, long live kespa!
The hypocrisy is so thick in here its ridiculous. thats my cake, i can have, and eat it too! This has annoyed me too. The same thing happened with GSL maps too, but with Kespa maps there seems to be an extra element to it. Like these old BW followers seem to consider everything Kespa produces a gift from god, no matter how obviously flawed it is. One organization has made great maps for a decade, and It tests its maps before release with progamers. The other doesn't. Also, old BW followers know more about what KESPA has done right and wrong than those who just jumped on board the SC2 train. Perhaps they have a perspective that should be considered?
except that the mapmakers for kespa are exactly the same people who made and tested the GSL maps before kespa came to sc2.
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On April 03 2013 13:07 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 08:36 -_- wrote:On April 03 2013 08:18 Bagi wrote:On April 02 2013 22:45 grapedog wrote:
blizzard comes out with new maps that are weird or experimental.... get the pitchforks, hang em!
Kespa comes out with news maps that are weird or experimental.... praise kespa, long live kespa!
The hypocrisy is so thick in here its ridiculous. thats my cake, i can have, and eat it too! This has annoyed me too. The same thing happened with GSL maps too, but with Kespa maps there seems to be an extra element to it. Like these old BW followers seem to consider everything Kespa produces a gift from god, no matter how obviously flawed it is. One organization has made great maps for a decade, and It tests its maps before release with progamers. The other doesn't. Also, old BW followers know more about what KESPA has done right and wrong than those who just jumped on board the SC2 train. Perhaps they have a perspective that should be considered? except that the mapmakers for kespa are exactly the same people who made and tested the GSL maps before kespa came to sc2.
organizer plays a bigger role than mapmakers. Those KeSPA maps are made to order,
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On April 03 2013 13:15 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 13:07 opterown wrote:On April 03 2013 08:36 -_- wrote:On April 03 2013 08:18 Bagi wrote:On April 02 2013 22:45 grapedog wrote:
blizzard comes out with new maps that are weird or experimental.... get the pitchforks, hang em!
Kespa comes out with news maps that are weird or experimental.... praise kespa, long live kespa!
The hypocrisy is so thick in here its ridiculous. thats my cake, i can have, and eat it too! This has annoyed me too. The same thing happened with GSL maps too, but with Kespa maps there seems to be an extra element to it. Like these old BW followers seem to consider everything Kespa produces a gift from god, no matter how obviously flawed it is. One organization has made great maps for a decade, and It tests its maps before release with progamers. The other doesn't. Also, old BW followers know more about what KESPA has done right and wrong than those who just jumped on board the SC2 train. Perhaps they have a perspective that should be considered? except that the mapmakers for kespa are exactly the same people who made and tested the GSL maps before kespa came to sc2. organizer plays a bigger role than mapmakers. Those KeSPA maps are made to order,
actually, the mapmakers just remake whatever BW maps they want, submit to kespa for testing and approval
and it's not like GSL doesn't do the same process with their maps, it's just that kespa mapmakers have that nostalgia factor
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On April 03 2013 13:27 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 13:15 Arceus wrote:On April 03 2013 13:07 opterown wrote:On April 03 2013 08:36 -_- wrote:On April 03 2013 08:18 Bagi wrote:On April 02 2013 22:45 grapedog wrote:
blizzard comes out with new maps that are weird or experimental.... get the pitchforks, hang em!
Kespa comes out with news maps that are weird or experimental.... praise kespa, long live kespa!
The hypocrisy is so thick in here its ridiculous. thats my cake, i can have, and eat it too! This has annoyed me too. The same thing happened with GSL maps too, but with Kespa maps there seems to be an extra element to it. Like these old BW followers seem to consider everything Kespa produces a gift from god, no matter how obviously flawed it is. One organization has made great maps for a decade, and It tests its maps before release with progamers. The other doesn't. Also, old BW followers know more about what KESPA has done right and wrong than those who just jumped on board the SC2 train. Perhaps they have a perspective that should be considered? except that the mapmakers for kespa are exactly the same people who made and tested the GSL maps before kespa came to sc2. organizer plays a bigger role than mapmakers. Those KeSPA maps are made to order, actually, the mapmakers just remake whatever BW maps they want, submit to kespa for testing and approval and it's not like GSL doesn't do the same process with their maps, it's just that kespa mapmakers have that nostalgia factor
more like KeSPA orders them to remake Fighting Spirit, Collosseum. I read from an iview with Prime mapmaker duo that they were asked to remake Python & Nostalgia (Andromeda gold edition recently). Pretty sure they order the purpose (say, balance) that other new maps serve to some degree as well like in BW.
meanwhile, I dont know if GOM does that ordering thingy too, but they are definitely too strict on creativity and map circulation.
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On April 03 2013 13:43 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 13:27 opterown wrote:On April 03 2013 13:15 Arceus wrote:On April 03 2013 13:07 opterown wrote:On April 03 2013 08:36 -_- wrote:On April 03 2013 08:18 Bagi wrote:On April 02 2013 22:45 grapedog wrote:
blizzard comes out with new maps that are weird or experimental.... get the pitchforks, hang em!
Kespa comes out with news maps that are weird or experimental.... praise kespa, long live kespa!
The hypocrisy is so thick in here its ridiculous. thats my cake, i can have, and eat it too! This has annoyed me too. The same thing happened with GSL maps too, but with Kespa maps there seems to be an extra element to it. Like these old BW followers seem to consider everything Kespa produces a gift from god, no matter how obviously flawed it is. One organization has made great maps for a decade, and It tests its maps before release with progamers. The other doesn't. Also, old BW followers know more about what KESPA has done right and wrong than those who just jumped on board the SC2 train. Perhaps they have a perspective that should be considered? except that the mapmakers for kespa are exactly the same people who made and tested the GSL maps before kespa came to sc2. organizer plays a bigger role than mapmakers. Those KeSPA maps are made to order, actually, the mapmakers just remake whatever BW maps they want, submit to kespa for testing and approval and it's not like GSL doesn't do the same process with their maps, it's just that kespa mapmakers have that nostalgia factor more like KeSPA orders them to remake Fighting Spirit, Collosseum. I read from an iview with Prime mapmaker duo that they were asked to remake Python & Nostalgia (Andromeda gold edition recently). Pretty sure they order the purpose (say, balance) that other new maps serve to some degree as well like in BW. meanwhile, I dont know if GOM does that ordering thingy too, but they are definitely too strict on creativity and map circulation.
if you look at what those mapmakers tweet and what they say in personal correspondeance etc you'll see that yes, kespa does order maps, but a large part is them remaking on their own accord
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On April 04 2013 10:34 GTR wrote:Naro Station looks like a reskin of Sanctuary? + Show Spoiler +
Holy fuck it's...SO BEAUTIFUL! :o
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Would have been really cool to see how the all gold patches on Fighting Spirit would have worked out.at pro level. Def would have made for much faster paced games! probably would have been primarily 1 base play though.
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It's too bad we never got to see games with all gold on fighting spirit.
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