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One more thing - making a 3D-Cinematic is actually easier, if the characters have simple dialogue. Otherwise, the amount of facial expressions and gestures increases a lot, and they are much tougher to make than, say, jumping and punching around. That is, if they don't use generic dialogue visualization (Oblivion/Skyrim/etc style).
(Speaking of punching, the cinematic where Kerrigan beats up Zeratul was probably the silliest one in HotS, wtf. Still not as silly as the stupid bar fight in WoL, but pretty close.)
On March 17 2013 23:10 SChlafmann wrote:
In WoL we could play all races at least. I couldn't play Zerg in WoL campaign.  In HotS through the permanent mind control of infestors, I could play with any units of the opponents - I used lots of siege tanks, BCs, thors, medivacs and whatnot.
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On March 17 2013 19:18 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Kerrigan :
The Psi Disrupter is causing me
some very serious problems.
Although I've regained control of my
forces here, it's taking more and
more concentration just to keep
them in line.
Raynor :
Aww... My heart's breaking for you,
Kerrigan. Now exactly why was it
that you asked Fenix and I to bring
Mengsk to you?
Kerrigan :
Are you still suspicious that I'll kill
him for abandoning me to the Zerg?
I've gotten over it, Jim. We can't
afford to let petty hatreds
jeopardize our plans for the UED.
Mengsk :
That's reassuring.
Kerrigan :
Arcturus... I pressume you found your
cold-sleep chamber...
accommodating?
Mengsk :
What is the meaning of this,
Kerrigan?
Kerrigan :
Straight to the point, huh? I was
hoping to chat. It's been awhile.
--
Kerrigan :
Hah. Ever the politician. All right,
'Emperor', if you help me destroy
the Disrupter, I'll help you retake
Korhal from the UED.
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Yes, Kerrigan is just burning with revenge. Not. BW was alive universe, not some one-sided emos attacking each other on sight. Seriously how is it even possible to not read BW script before writing it for SC2. Metzen must have been drunk when he wrote it.
Then again, after she backstabs everyone and kills Duke:
Kerrigan:
Oh come on Arcturus, did you really think I'd allow you to come into power again? You practically fed me to the Zerg on Tarsonis. You're directly responsible for the hell I've been through. Did you honestly think I'd let you get away with that?
Mengsk :
But you said revenge was secondary to defeating the UED!
Kerrigan:
I lied. I liberated this planet because it was the UED's primary staging point, not because I was under any obligation to you. I used you to destroy the Psi Disruptor. and now that I've got my broods back you're no longer necessary for my plans. I think I'll leave you here, Arcturus, among the ashes of your precious Dominion. I want you to live to see me rise to power and I want to always remember, in your most private moments, that it was you who turned me loose in the first place.
I think it was more that she wanted revenge, but to her leaving Arcturus alive amist his destroyed dominion while she became queen of the sector was enough. She could have easily killed him then and there but didn't; she was content in her revenge! My biggest beef with WoL and HotS is the change in characterization from SC1/BW, especially in relation to Kerrigan.
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On March 17 2013 14:35 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 12:34 Leopoldshark wrote:
A couple small things:
-I expected her transformation on Zerus to look more "primal". Instead it looks pretty much like her old look. The pool she bathed in should have been uncorrupted by Amon and would turn her into something different: not quite human, not quite Zerg, but able to better command the Swarm. Now that you mention it... why did her Primal Transformation lead her to "become the Swarm"? The primals are unrelated to the Swarm, they are independent free spirits who only care about evolving, and have rejected the hivemind. Why should their effect on Kerrigan actually enhance her hivemind ability?
Also, why was Kerrigan affected by the psi disrupters while the other primals were not?
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On March 17 2013 23:53 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:35 figq wrote:On March 17 2013 12:34 Leopoldshark wrote:
A couple small things:
-I expected her transformation on Zerus to look more "primal". Instead it looks pretty much like her old look. The pool she bathed in should have been uncorrupted by Amon and would turn her into something different: not quite human, not quite Zerg, but able to better command the Swarm. Now that you mention it... why did her Primal Transformation lead her to "become the Swarm"? The primals are unrelated to the Swarm, they are independent free spirits who only care about evolving, and have rejected the hivemind. Why should their effect on Kerrigan actually enhance her hivemind ability? Also, why was Kerrigan affected by the psi disrupters while the other primals were not?
To answer both, Kerrigan gained personal power from defeating Zerus. She didn't turn into a primal, per se, but harnassed their essences and powers. So her ability to control the Swarm was probably enhanced, along with everything else (+ levels and all that). She could have looked a bit more primal, I suppose, but I think the developers wanted a clear link to the Queen of Blades and her old self. Besides, she didn't become a primal Zerg herself but rather added their potential to herself.
With the psi disrupters, it affects her psionic powers and specifically the link to all the other Zerg under her control. She is not a primal herself. She needs the link to maintain control, otherwise she'd have to count on their loyalty. And that's what she has from Dehaka and his brood - they are with her by choice, not because of the psionic link.
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For me I enjoyed the character development done in SC and BW far more than in any of the SC2 games. Jim in WoL seemed like a stereo typical cowboy. He barely ever made any mistakes, which is where I think people learn the most about characters. And in HoTS it just seemed like all of these other characters (broodmothers and stukov) were thrust upon me, only the first broodmother encounter (don't remember her name) was interesting. The way kerrigan just ran into Narud's base and killed him seemed to quick and not memorable. I feel as though if one of the broodmothers revolted at the same time would have made it more interesting and challenging.
I also believe that there should be more chaos within the swarm itself, I can't imagine all of these broodmothers just giving up their powers so easily without a fight. Or maybe even betraying kerrigan after learning more about her. I also think that more protoss characters (that will be in LoTV) should have been introduced in HoTS. It's kind of like how in SC1 (correct me if I am wrong about this) as mengsk you thought against the UED and then in BW you played as them.
TL;DR Characters should be developed more by their actions, not their words.
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I personally was disappointed at certain parts of the story and how straightforward it was. I really don't mind the whole love story thing. I have a soft spot in my heart for this kind of super evil try and save you it will never work type love thing. But raynor is a Fucking baby. She thought he was dead and went through hell after all that to save him doing what she had to. Then Raynor was being a bitch I'd still do infested kerrigan she still has an ass tighter than an ultralisk with chitinous plating. Then the bitch can evolve and shit to one sexy zerg. She's like the perfect woman 10/10 would bang/marry. Even ignoring the rest of the story the primal zerg shit was gay as shit a stupid unnecessary detour on the story line and if i started a drinking game for everytime I heard the word essence I would have Fucking died. Last why are the protoss not doing shit what happened to oh Hai a zerg let's massacre the whole planet guess they got bored after wol. And wtf is zeratul doing I guess we will find out later but son you know shit is going down and aren't bringing troops to help? You kids knew bout the hybrids and this amon kid and can't just start purifing planets? Instead in the end kerrigan almost dies in a stupid fight then again by a psy immiter by mengsk you would think she would have let the rest of the zerg totally beat the shit out of him before coming in. I know your all freaky deaky strong now but you know how important it is for you to live. And finally at the end Jim you just made peace with it all, you killed your most hated enemy, and you basically got the sexy alien girl and you don't so much as kiss her? Son if that was me it was go time right there on what was left of mengsk's old desk. Instead he let's the bitch fly away.....speaking of which when did she learn to fly...urhg.
In summary few bad decisions made, shitty dialog at times, too straight forward not one twist I didn't even think raynor was dead how much better would it have been if he did I would have been surprised then. Last too many boss battles I felt like i was playing diablo not sc2. Didn't mind for this but don't do it in lotv. Overall a 7/10 I was entertained, the cinematics were cool, and kerrigan was hot enough to keep my attention.
Ps sorry if some wording is wired or misspelled never go on a rant on your phone. Also I know you did this whole mission trying to stop the toss from leaving but really comeon now since when were dead protoss not brought back home or able to go jme through simple warpgates.
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On March 18 2013 01:30 Bango wrote:
[...] as mengsk you thought against the UED and then in BW you played as them.
Mengsk fought against The Confederacy, who was the controlling terran power in the Koprulu sector at that time. The United Earth Directorate (UED) came after he had taken control of the sector. Their goal was to control the sector and enslave the overmind. There was no mention of them in vanilla sc1.
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Lots of good points in this thread but besides the issues with the dialogue and the overall storyline/character development my biggest problem with the game is the whole idea that there is some "bigger" evil lurking in the shadows. Starcraft 1 focussed more on the characters and their struggle for power/control. We didn't have some weird space monster in the background.
This whole Amon/Ancient hybrid plot in wol/hots is really unnecessary. I'm almost certain in Lotv we are going to focus on stopping Amon. And how convenient did Blizzard make it for us? Kerrigan realised that Amon is the real enemy here, Jim Raynor is totally cool with Kerrigan now and he's obviously going to help her and finally we have Zerathul who is also going to fight, hooray! Call me crazy but I really think this is going to be a rehashed Night Elves campaign from warcraft III: RoC.
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On March 18 2013 01:05 Xivsa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:53 hzflank wrote:On March 17 2013 14:35 figq wrote:On March 17 2013 12:34 Leopoldshark wrote:
A couple small things:
-I expected her transformation on Zerus to look more "primal". Instead it looks pretty much like her old look. The pool she bathed in should have been uncorrupted by Amon and would turn her into something different: not quite human, not quite Zerg, but able to better command the Swarm. Now that you mention it... why did her Primal Transformation lead her to "become the Swarm"? The primals are unrelated to the Swarm, they are independent free spirits who only care about evolving, and have rejected the hivemind. Why should their effect on Kerrigan actually enhance her hivemind ability? Also, why was Kerrigan affected by the psi disrupters while the other primals were not? To answer both, Kerrigan gained personal power from defeating Zerus. She didn't turn into a primal, per se, but harnassed their essences and powers. So her ability to control the Swarm was probably enhanced, along with everything else (+ levels and all that). She could have looked a bit more primal, I suppose, but I think the developers wanted a clear link to the Queen of Blades and her old self. Besides, she didn't become a primal Zerg herself but rather added their potential to herself. With the psi disrupters, it affects her psionic powers and specifically the link to all the other Zerg under her control. She is not a primal herself. She needs the link to maintain control, otherwise she'd have to count on their loyalty. And that's what she has from Dehaka and his brood - they are with her by choice, not because of the psionic link.
She did turn into a primal. That was specifically why she entered the chrysalis: to become a primal zerg and thus get the ability to collect essences and powers down the line. It makes no sense that her ability to control the swarm should improve due to that.
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^If she would truly be primal she wouldn't be psionic...
She wouldn't be able to control the swarm. Kerrigan got more powerful personally, that's why she goes after those old primals etc.
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On March 18 2013 03:20 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 01:05 Xivsa wrote:On March 17 2013 23:53 hzflank wrote:On March 17 2013 14:35 figq wrote:On March 17 2013 12:34 Leopoldshark wrote:
A couple small things:
-I expected her transformation on Zerus to look more "primal". Instead it looks pretty much like her old look. The pool she bathed in should have been uncorrupted by Amon and would turn her into something different: not quite human, not quite Zerg, but able to better command the Swarm. Now that you mention it... why did her Primal Transformation lead her to "become the Swarm"? The primals are unrelated to the Swarm, they are independent free spirits who only care about evolving, and have rejected the hivemind. Why should their effect on Kerrigan actually enhance her hivemind ability? Also, why was Kerrigan affected by the psi disrupters while the other primals were not? To answer both, Kerrigan gained personal power from defeating Zerus. She didn't turn into a primal, per se, but harnassed their essences and powers. So her ability to control the Swarm was probably enhanced, along with everything else (+ levels and all that). She could have looked a bit more primal, I suppose, but I think the developers wanted a clear link to the Queen of Blades and her old self. Besides, she didn't become a primal Zerg herself but rather added their potential to herself. With the psi disrupters, it affects her psionic powers and specifically the link to all the other Zerg under her control. She is not a primal herself. She needs the link to maintain control, otherwise she'd have to count on their loyalty. And that's what she has from Dehaka and his brood - they are with her by choice, not because of the psionic link. She did turn into a primal. That was specifically why she entered the chrysalis: to become a primal zerg and thus get the ability to collect essences and powers down the line. It makes no sense that her ability to control the swarm should improve due to that.
It didn't improve her ability to control the swarm. What it did was give her power which the other broodmothers sensed and thus they wished to serve under her once again.
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On March 18 2013 03:35 Andr3 wrote:
^If she would truly be primal she wouldn't be psionic...
She wouldn't be able to control the swarm. Kerrigan got more powerful personally, that's why she goes after those old primals etc.
This. Kerrigan isn't a primal like Zurvan or whatever, she's Kerrigan. The best of the primals and the old Overmind's swarm.
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On March 15 2013 07:47 SgtCoDFish wrote:
Jesus tittyfucking christ I can't follow the train of thought that leads people to call others idiots and telling them they should be ashamed of themselves for having different tastes or enjoying things you didn't.
Do the people who're actually getting aggressive about this really feel they're so intellectually superior? Bloody hell
I can understand if people didn't like it, but some people are taking it waaaaaaay too far. I remember some youtube video that was something like "It's OK to not like things, but don't be a dick about it"
That pretty much sums this up.
This.
And come on, the story wasn't THAT bad. It was clearly better than WoL in my opinion. I enjoyed the HotS campaign and will probably enjoy LotV story as well.
As for the Raynor-Kerrigan love story: Sure, it could have been done better, even if I don't see why they would focus on it. But it shouldn't surprise anyone that they are in love and have been since SC1. They even refer to their past relation several times in WoL.
Also, one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) plot twist in WoL was that Kerrigan had to live in order to save the universe from Amon, and still people think it's strange that Raynor didn't kill her when he had the chance? He was obviously angry that Kerrigan reinfested herself, undoing everything he did for her in WoL and even mentioned Fenix, but still couldn't kill her because he knows he can't. And whether it's because of the prophecy or because he loves her doesn't matter - both options makes sense.
If you don't even grasp the simple things in the story, why even throw shit at it while insulting those who actually enjoy it?
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On March 16 2013 12:29 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 12:22 iamcaustic wrote:On March 16 2013 11:57 Dfgj wrote:On March 16 2013 11:49 iamcaustic wrote:On March 16 2013 11:41 Dfgj wrote:On March 16 2013 11:38 iamcaustic wrote:On March 15 2013 07:41 Alzadar wrote:On March 15 2013 07:33 mordk wrote:
There's one thing about all the complaints I don't really ever begin to understand. Why are people so upset that Jim loves Kerrigan and doesn't have the guts to kill her?
I seriously do not understand how anyone who played SC doesn't really know Jim was ALWAYS in love with Kerrigan. This was always as obvious as it gets. And I got that when I played SC, being like.. 14? It isn't weird at all for me that Blizzard took this course for the Raynor-Kerrigan plot line, it seems rather obvious to me that Jim wouldn't be so heartless to just kill her, since he is hopelessly in love with her and has always been.
Otherwise, I agree, the story is weak, but I still have enjoyed the campaigns immensely.
I also liked the new characters, even though I agree that they're kinda forgettable. I have my hopes up for Zeratul, main character of LotV.
I've always thought there's 2 main problems with the people complaining.
First, people have COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC expectations of this game's story, of Diablo's storyline, and of any game's storyline really. If compared to more mature storytelling media, there's only a handful of good stories throughout the ENTIRETY of gaming's history. And that's fine, because it's evolving, it's a very young media. If you want deep storylines without the cheesiness, the plotholes, etc, either pick your games really carefully, or go back to books and movies.
Second, people seem to have a nostalgia-filled vision of the original SC's storyline. While it wasn't nearly as cheesy as this one, the truth is SC's storyline was pretty basic, and just as bad as this one. Blizzard's writers weren't geniuses then, and they aren't now. That doesn't stop me from enjoying it though, you just need to look at it for what it is and get off that high flying cloud you people live in. Well, one of the climactic moments of BW is Jim's anger after Fenix is killed: I'll see you dead for this, Kerrigan! For Fenix, and all the others who got caught between you and your mad quest for power! It may not be tomorow, darlin', it may not even happen with an army at my back. But rest assured; I'm the man who's gonna kill you one day. I'll be seeing you. Basically all off the SC2 plot is subverting this, which sucks because it was such a cool scene. Uh, did you not play the HotS campaign or something? + Show Spoiler [HotS Story] +When Kerrigan breaks Jim out of the prison ship, the cut scene brings that whole situation to the forefront. Raynor basically repeats what he said in Brood War: "Tell that to Fenix. Tell that to the millions you butchered". Kerrigan hands him a gun and places the barrel on her forehead, saying specifically: "You promised you would kill the Queen of Blades".
You might be surprised by this, but sometimes a situation is more complicated than making a statement and following through. That you can't appreciate the depth of this scene isn't the fault of Blizzard's writers.
That's not depth. That's rewriting a character. The entire story of BW and the climax of Jim's character was hand-waved away by a few lines in that cutscene, meanwhile he was rewritten as utterly lovesick where no such thing was present before. Where "no such thing" was present before...? Please take a moment to actually play StarCraft 1 and follow up with some reading of StarCraft lore. I've played SC1 and SCBW. Recently. Then why are you being so utterly dishonest about Raynor/Kerrigan? I'm afraid people sharing a couple conversations doesn't mean they're desperately in love, except possibly in a Bioware game.
I'm afraid you never actually did what I asked you to; play SC1 and read up on the lore. SC1's storytelling in game was pretty awful and a lot of details left unexplained (like why Mengsk left Kerrigan at New Gettysburg, for example), but it's all elaborated upon in the books.
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On March 18 2013 01:45 CajunMan wrote:
I personally was disappointed at certain parts of the story and how straightforward it was. I really don't mind the whole love story thing. I have a soft spot in my heart for this kind of super evil try and save you it will never work type love thing. But raynor is a Fucking baby. She thought he was dead and went through hell after all that to save him doing what she had to. Then Raynor was being a bitch I'd still do infested kerrigan she still has an ass tighter than an ultralisk with chitinous plating. Then the bitch can evolve and shit to one sexy zerg. She's like the perfect woman 10/10 would bang/marry. Even ignoring the rest of the story the primal zerg shit was gay as shit a stupid unnecessary detour on the story line and if i started a drinking game for everytime I heard the word essence I would have Fucking died. Last why are the protoss not doing shit what happened to oh Hai a zerg let's massacre the whole planet guess they got bored after wol. And wtf is zeratul doing I guess we will find out later but son you know shit is going down and aren't bringing troops to help? You kids knew bout the hybrids and this amon kid and can't just start purifing planets? Instead in the end kerrigan almost dies in a stupid fight then again by a psy immiter by mengsk you would think she would have let the rest of the zerg totally beat the shit out of him before coming in. I know your all freaky deaky strong now but you know how important it is for you to live. And finally at the end Jim you just made peace with it all, you killed your most hated enemy, and you basically got the sexy alien girl and you don't so much as kiss her? Son if that was me it was go time right there on what was left of mengsk's old desk. Instead he let's the bitch fly away.....speaking of which when did she learn to fly...urhg.
In summary few bad decisions made, shitty dialog at times, too straight forward not one twist I didn't even think raynor was dead how much better would it have been if he did I would have been surprised then. Last too many boss battles I felt like i was playing diablo not sc2. Didn't mind for this but don't do it in lotv. Overall a 7/10 I was entertained, the cinematics were cool, and kerrigan was hot enough to keep my attention.
Ps sorry if some wording is wired or misspelled never go on a rant on your phone. Also I know you did this whole mission trying to stop the toss from leaving but really comeon now since when were dead protoss not brought back home or able to go jme through simple warpgates.
Hahaha, thanks for that post, that was really entertaining. "Ass tighter than an ultralisk with chitinous plating", alright :D
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I couldn't get enough of Abather. The campaign was very mediocre at best, but Abather made it worth completing by himself.
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On March 18 2013 05:01 iamcaustic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 12:29 Dfgj wrote:On March 16 2013 12:22 iamcaustic wrote:On March 16 2013 11:57 Dfgj wrote:On March 16 2013 11:49 iamcaustic wrote:On March 16 2013 11:41 Dfgj wrote:On March 16 2013 11:38 iamcaustic wrote:On March 15 2013 07:41 Alzadar wrote:On March 15 2013 07:33 mordk wrote:
There's one thing about all the complaints I don't really ever begin to understand. Why are people so upset that Jim loves Kerrigan and doesn't have the guts to kill her?
I seriously do not understand how anyone who played SC doesn't really know Jim was ALWAYS in love with Kerrigan. This was always as obvious as it gets. And I got that when I played SC, being like.. 14? It isn't weird at all for me that Blizzard took this course for the Raynor-Kerrigan plot line, it seems rather obvious to me that Jim wouldn't be so heartless to just kill her, since he is hopelessly in love with her and has always been.
Otherwise, I agree, the story is weak, but I still have enjoyed the campaigns immensely.
I also liked the new characters, even though I agree that they're kinda forgettable. I have my hopes up for Zeratul, main character of LotV.
I've always thought there's 2 main problems with the people complaining.
First, people have COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC expectations of this game's story, of Diablo's storyline, and of any game's storyline really. If compared to more mature storytelling media, there's only a handful of good stories throughout the ENTIRETY of gaming's history. And that's fine, because it's evolving, it's a very young media. If you want deep storylines without the cheesiness, the plotholes, etc, either pick your games really carefully, or go back to books and movies.
Second, people seem to have a nostalgia-filled vision of the original SC's storyline. While it wasn't nearly as cheesy as this one, the truth is SC's storyline was pretty basic, and just as bad as this one. Blizzard's writers weren't geniuses then, and they aren't now. That doesn't stop me from enjoying it though, you just need to look at it for what it is and get off that high flying cloud you people live in. Well, one of the climactic moments of BW is Jim's anger after Fenix is killed: I'll see you dead for this, Kerrigan! For Fenix, and all the others who got caught between you and your mad quest for power! It may not be tomorow, darlin', it may not even happen with an army at my back. But rest assured; I'm the man who's gonna kill you one day. I'll be seeing you. Basically all off the SC2 plot is subverting this, which sucks because it was such a cool scene. Uh, did you not play the HotS campaign or something? + Show Spoiler [HotS Story] +When Kerrigan breaks Jim out of the prison ship, the cut scene brings that whole situation to the forefront. Raynor basically repeats what he said in Brood War: "Tell that to Fenix. Tell that to the millions you butchered". Kerrigan hands him a gun and places the barrel on her forehead, saying specifically: "You promised you would kill the Queen of Blades".
You might be surprised by this, but sometimes a situation is more complicated than making a statement and following through. That you can't appreciate the depth of this scene isn't the fault of Blizzard's writers.
That's not depth. That's rewriting a character. The entire story of BW and the climax of Jim's character was hand-waved away by a few lines in that cutscene, meanwhile he was rewritten as utterly lovesick where no such thing was present before. Where "no such thing" was present before...? Please take a moment to actually play StarCraft 1 and follow up with some reading of StarCraft lore. I've played SC1 and SCBW. Recently. Then why are you being so utterly dishonest about Raynor/Kerrigan? I'm afraid people sharing a couple conversations doesn't mean they're desperately in love, except possibly in a Bioware game. I'm afraid you never actually did what I asked you to; play SC1 and read up on the lore. SC1's storytelling in game was pretty awful and a lot of details left unexplained (like why Mengsk left Kerrigan at New Gettysburg, for example), but it's all elaborated upon in the books.
This is a very good point.
Biggest fail blizzard does is not explain the things that happen in books. Due note that Flashpoint and those Dark Templar books came before SC2 and they touch on a lot of subjects that are relevant to some shaky stuff that we see in SC2. (kerrigan, terrazine, taldarim...probably other stuff too i dont remember it much anymore)
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It was my understanding that Arcturus left Kerrigan at New Gettysburg because she disagreed when Arcturus planned to use the Psi Emitter to lure the Zerg to Tarsonis. Arcturus doesn't need a pawn that would disobey him. You see that a ton in SC; "you've outlived your usefulness, it's time for you to die".
I think the story was a big missed opportunity to re-examine Kerrigan's character. If she truly did not remember anything of being the Queen of Blades in the beginning (if you can trust her, Kerrigan up until now has been a lying bitch), then she may have had the possibility to rejoin humanity. But would humanity have accepted her? People will remember the deeds she wrought as the Queen of Blades. Raynor was the only one who believed in her. Would humanity be worth returning to if Raynor wasn't there? I could forsee 3 different decisions she could possibly make while retaining her humanity:
-Command the Zerg as a human and ally with Raynor in a collaborative attempt to take down Mengsk. Raynor and Horner would continue and try to rally the populace against Mengsk ("winning hearts and minds") while Kerrigan would weaken the Dominion's military. Their alliance would be kept a secret, lest people find out that Raynor is allied with the Zerg and Mengsk would use that to unite the Dominion and essentially all of humanity against them.
-Command the Zerg but try to free the Zerg from the corruption of the Dark Voice and prepare against Amon and the Hybrid (this seemed the most likely after seeing the end of WoL)
-Goes back to being a ghost and joins Raynor's Raiders.
I think Kerrigan gave up her humanity a bit too easily. After she saw the UNN report that Raynor was dead (yeah trust the propaganda machine of the Dominion for reliable, unbiased information), she went all out revenge mode. I think overall it did a poor job of portraying Kerrigan's humanity. This time she can't blame an Overmind or a dark voice for her actions.
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On March 18 2013 05:36 Leopoldshark wrote:
I think Kerrigan gave up her humanity a bit too easily. After she saw the UNN report that Raynor was dead (yeah trust the propaganda machine of the Dominion for reliable, unbiased information), she went all out revenge mode. I think overall it did a poor job of portraying Kerrigan's humanity. This time she can't blame an Overmind or a dark voice for her actions.
While she may have, I kind of got the vibe that she was borderline suicidal at that point. After the first mission she wonders if it would have been better if Tycus killed her and it is pretty clear that nobody other than raynor trusts her in any way, esp after her blow up on the Hyperion.
When she hears Jim is dead, she kinda loses it and decides that if she is going to die, Mengsk is going down too. If you look at it that way, giving up her humanity makes more sense.
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On March 18 2013 03:04 myBattleship wrote:
Lots of good points in this thread but besides the issues with the dialogue and the overall storyline/character development my biggest problem with the game is the whole idea that there is some "bigger" evil lurking in the shadows. Starcraft 1 focussed more on the characters and their struggle for power/control. We didn't have some weird space monster in the background.
This whole Amon/Ancient hybrid plot in wol/hots is really unnecessary. I'm almost certain in Lotv we are going to focus on stopping Amon. And how convenient did Blizzard make it for us? Kerrigan realised that Amon is the real enemy here, Jim Raynor is totally cool with Kerrigan now and he's obviously going to help her and finally we have Zerathul who is also going to fight, hooray! Call me crazy but I really think this is going to be a rehashed Night Elves campaign from warcraft III: RoC.
Well then you would have to blame the writing in BW. You have to remember that the whole "greater evil is out there" story line was set up for in Brood War when Zeratul confronted Duran. Everyone knew this storyline was coming (and in fact people were very excited about this prospect back in the day before SC2 was even started to be developed) People probably wanted the bad guy to turn out to be the Xel Naga as a race and not as one seemingly rogue one though.
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