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PartinG 'Grilled': "Bisu is really good at Terran"

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Thorin
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
601 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 20:22:34
March 12 2013 20:20 GMT
#1
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Won "(P)PartinG" Lee Sak is the star of the 33rd episode of my 'Grilled' interview series.

Some of the topics discussed:
- What life was like for PartinG in the eSTRO KeSPA team when he was a BW player.
- What happened to him in his famous GSL Code S semi-final vs. an injured (T)Mvp?
- (P)Bisu's level in SC2 and whether he should switch to Terran.
- His ability to execute the WonWonWon build better than any other Protoss.
- Why his PvP got progressively better across the three WCS events.
- Whether Zergs abused imbalance in the latter period of WoL.
- Thoughts on other Protosses: (P)Rain, (P)Creator, (P)MC, (P)HerO, (P)NaNiwa and (P)MaNa.

Some quotes to whet viewers's appetites:

On why Bisu won't switch to Terran in SC2.
"Actually Bisu is really really good at playing Terran, but he won't switch to Terran because his TvT isn't that good. He can't keep it at the level of TvP and TvZ."


The GSL Code S semi-final that went wrong for the PvT master vs. Mvp:
"I think I was really overconfident when I faced Mvp, because when I trained with practice partners like TaeJa and MarineKing I won almost every game against them, so I was really confident.

In the matches it also went just like I'd wished, all the build orders were perfect for me, but then I chose bad timings for fights, where I didn't have to fight, so I lost eventually. I think I was really overconfident and I could have won all of the games."


Why he wishes he had faced Rain in the BWC final:
"I actually wished that Rain would make the finals, so I could prove that my PvP had improved and that I could beat my rival, and show all the fans and players that I could beat Rain."


How he feels about new team-mate and fellow Protoss Rain:
"I really admire Rain, because he is a player who can focus only on the game. When he trains he never looks at his cell phone or goes on websites or the internet, he just focuses on the game. That's what I really admire."


Thoughts on NaNiwa's playing style and personality:
"I think NaNiwa's playstyle is like HerO's style, so a lot of harassing, but I think he needs to control himself better with his anger when he loses, so that he can focus more on the game. That would be the way for him to get better."


The entire 20 minute subtitled video interview can be watched at Team Acer.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 12 2013 20:23 GMT
#2
Holy chocolate, watching this now.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44161 Posts
March 12 2013 20:26 GMT
#3
One of the reasons why I started playing Protoss was because of Bisu I really hope he doesn't switch to the dark side.
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Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 20:27:20
March 12 2013 20:27 GMT
#4
Wait what? So is there a possibility to Bisu to just switch?
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 20:27:56
March 12 2013 20:27 GMT
#5
In the matches it also went just like I'd wished, all the build orders were perfect for me, but then I chose bad timings for fights, where I didn't have to fight, so I lost eventually. I think I was really overconfident and I could have won all of the games."


Overconfidence into overconfidence? ^^
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
March 12 2013 20:28 GMT
#6
yummmm thanks for this awesomeness
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 12 2013 20:29 GMT
#7
I wonder if Parting says that Bisu is good in practice to be nice, or because it's true. Hoping it's the latter, but I'm afraid I kind of think it's (at least partly) the former.
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NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
March 12 2013 20:33 GMT
#8
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days.
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7103 Posts
March 12 2013 20:36 GMT
#9
On March 13 2013 05:33 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days.


Getting twice into Code S RO8 is bad?
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Squiggles
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada54 Posts
March 12 2013 20:40 GMT
#10
On March 13 2013 05:33 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days.

Cause he made RO8 in the GSL Code S twice. Not many foreigners did that (if any).
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 20:41:46
March 12 2013 20:41 GMT
#11
On March 13 2013 05:33 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days.


Why does your senile memory has to play into this?


Hoping for continuation of these grilled series, they are excellent every time
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 12 2013 20:43 GMT
#12
On March 13 2013 05:33 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days.


Back-to-back Code S Ro8 pretty bad, yeah. Losing to Mvp in elimination rounds also pretty shameful, I don't even know why they talk about that guy anymore

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One thing to note: Naniwa won MLG Dallas in 2011, and placed 2nd at Providence - also in 2011. So even if everyone was bad in 2010, that doesn't really matter
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Jindo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1305 Posts
March 12 2013 20:47 GMT
#13
On March 13 2013 05:20 Thorin wrote:
I think NaNiwa's playstyle is like HerO's style, so a lot of harassing, but I think he needs to control himself better with his anger when he loses, so that he can focus more on the game. That would be the way for him to get better.

context?
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 20:48:09
March 12 2013 20:47 GMT
#14
Whether Naniwa is good or not debate aside, PartinG's assessment of him seems pretty accurate. It's clear from the follow up question that PartinG definitely has some respect for the guy (even says he learned from him).

I'll bet if he had a sports psychologist or something he could be an even better player - his problems tend to revolve around his anger issues.

It makes me sad he still hasn't found a team yet, even though I understand his attitude issues must be a real problem since he'd be signed by someone otherwise.
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
March 12 2013 20:48 GMT
#15
NICEEEEEEEEEE
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 12 2013 20:49 GMT
#16
On March 13 2013 05:47 Swords wrote:
Whether Naniwa is good or not debate aside, PartinG's assessment of him seems pretty accurate. It's clear from the follow up question that PartinG definitely has some respect for the guy (even says he learned from him).

I'll bet if he had a sports psychologist or something he could be an even better player - his problems tend to revolve around his anger issues.

It makes me sad he still hasn't found a team yet, even though I understand his attitude issues must be a real problem since he'd be signed by someone otherwise.


He likes to be kind of a "lone wolf" - he received multiple offers, both from KeSPA teams and other teams, but he declined.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12779 Posts
March 12 2013 20:49 GMT
#17
On March 13 2013 05:47 Jindo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:20 Thorin wrote:
I think NaNiwa's playstyle is like HerO's style, so a lot of harassing, but I think he needs to control himself better with his anger when he loses, so that he can focus more on the game. That would be the way for him to get better.

context?

According to ToD, you can't really talk to them after an important loss in tourneys for an hour or so, because they are very angry at themself or something like that.
So basically it hinders him reaching another level.
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NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
March 12 2013 20:50 GMT
#18
On March 13 2013 05:36 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:33 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days.


Getting twice into Code S RO8 is bad?

Also, received 6 GSL bailout seeds.
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Csong
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada396 Posts
March 12 2013 20:52 GMT
#19
glad bisu isnt switching to terran,
would just feel so wrong, it would be like if
flash switches to zerg asdfjodif
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
March 12 2013 20:54 GMT
#20
I would like for Bisu to switch to Terran if he would start to show some results. Maybe that's because I wasn't around during brood war.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 12 2013 20:54 GMT
#21
On March 13 2013 05:50 NoGasfOu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:36 Luolis wrote:
On March 13 2013 05:33 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days.


Getting twice into Code S RO8 is bad?

Also, received 6 GSL bailout seeds.


So I take it getting to Round of 8, twice, is bad? It doesn't matter what seeds you got, once you're in Code S you're on your own, and Naniwa proved himself good enough to stick around.
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Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
March 12 2013 20:56 GMT
#22
On March 13 2013 05:36 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:33 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days.


Getting twice into Code S RO8 is bad?


Sometimes anti-foreigner bias is just as bad as foreigner bias.
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NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
March 12 2013 20:56 GMT
#23
"I think NaNiwa's playstyle is like HerO's style, so a lot of harassing"

Hero is a late game multitasking beast. All Naniwa does is using 1,2, or 3 base collosus of Squirtle. I don't see any similarity.

"but I think he needs to control himself better with his anger when he loses, so that he can focus more on the game"

Just a way of saying a player is bad and unprofessional when you're forced to talk about him.
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forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
March 12 2013 20:57 GMT
#24
On March 13 2013 05:20 Thorin wrote:
I think NaNiwa's playstyle is like HerO's style, so a lot of harassing, but I think he needs to control himself better with his anger when he loses, so that he can focus more on the game. That would be the way for him to get better.


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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
March 12 2013 20:58 GMT
#25
just switch to terran already, Bisu !
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NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
March 12 2013 20:58 GMT
#26
On March 13 2013 05:54 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:50 NoGasfOu wrote:
On March 13 2013 05:36 Luolis wrote:
On March 13 2013 05:33 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days.


Getting twice into Code S RO8 is bad?

Also, received 6 GSL bailout seeds.


So I take it getting to Round of 8, twice, is bad? It doesn't matter what seeds you got, once you're in Code S you're on your own, and Naniwa proved himself good enough to stick around.

If you give a random Code B Korean 6 bailout seeds, I'm sure he would get to the final at least once.
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nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
March 12 2013 21:02 GMT
#27
On March 13 2013 05:56 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:36 Luolis wrote:
On March 13 2013 05:33 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days.


Getting twice into Code S RO8 is bad?


Sometimes anti-foreigner bias is just as bad as foreigner bias.

actually, very very rarely, but in this case yes.
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
March 12 2013 21:03 GMT
#28
On March 13 2013 05:49 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:47 Swords wrote:
Whether Naniwa is good or not debate aside, PartinG's assessment of him seems pretty accurate. It's clear from the follow up question that PartinG definitely has some respect for the guy (even says he learned from him).

I'll bet if he had a sports psychologist or something he could be an even better player - his problems tend to revolve around his anger issues.

It makes me sad he still hasn't found a team yet, even though I understand his attitude issues must be a real problem since he'd be signed by someone otherwise.


He likes to be kind of a "lone wolf" - he received multiple offers, both from KeSPA teams and other teams, but he declined.

Considering the whole Nestea nonsense and his general attitude i really doubt he got an offer from KeSPA considering how strict they are.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
March 12 2013 21:04 GMT
#29
Hmm I don't think Bisu is that good at Terran like PartinG makes him out to be if his TvT is THAT bad that it would hinder him from a switch. He has freaking BoxeR as coach and Fantasy is a beast already, I'm sure they could get Bisu's TvT up to standard if it was worth the effort.

Which makes me sad because I have wanted Bisu to play Terran for a long time. ^^
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 12 2013 21:04 GMT
#30
sniper is skillful, man
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NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
March 12 2013 21:04 GMT
#31
On March 13 2013 05:49 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:47 Swords wrote:
Whether Naniwa is good or not debate aside, PartinG's assessment of him seems pretty accurate. It's clear from the follow up question that PartinG definitely has some respect for the guy (even says he learned from him).

I'll bet if he had a sports psychologist or something he could be an even better player - his problems tend to revolve around his anger issues.

It makes me sad he still hasn't found a team yet, even though I understand his attitude issues must be a real problem since he'd be signed by someone otherwise.


He likes to be kind of a "lone wolf" - he received multiple offers, both from KeSPA teams and other teams, but he declined.

LOL, a player that's known for being unprofessional, whinny inside/outside of game, whinny on twitter after every loss, does whatever he could to discredit a player that just beat him, has no respect for his opponent or the game, hated by many Korean players and teams after the Nestea thing.

Yeah, good luck getting offer from a Kespa team. You probably don't know much about Kespa.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 12 2013 21:06 GMT
#32
On March 13 2013 06:04 NoGasfOu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:49 Zealously wrote:
On March 13 2013 05:47 Swords wrote:
Whether Naniwa is good or not debate aside, PartinG's assessment of him seems pretty accurate. It's clear from the follow up question that PartinG definitely has some respect for the guy (even says he learned from him).

I'll bet if he had a sports psychologist or something he could be an even better player - his problems tend to revolve around his anger issues.

It makes me sad he still hasn't found a team yet, even though I understand his attitude issues must be a real problem since he'd be signed by someone otherwise.


He likes to be kind of a "lone wolf" - he received multiple offers, both from KeSPA teams and other teams, but he declined.

LOL, a player that's known for being unprofessional, whinny inside/outside of game, whinny on twitter after every loss, does whatever he could to discredit a player that just beat him, has no respect for his opponent or the game, hated by many Korean players and teams after the Nestea thing.

Yeah, good luck getting offer from a Kespa team. You probably don't know much about Kespa.

idra got an offer in cj
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
March 12 2013 21:06 GMT
#33
Racepick, bisu, racepick!
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
March 12 2013 21:09 GMT
#34
On March 13 2013 06:06 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 06:04 NoGasfOu wrote:
On March 13 2013 05:49 Zealously wrote:
On March 13 2013 05:47 Swords wrote:
Whether Naniwa is good or not debate aside, PartinG's assessment of him seems pretty accurate. It's clear from the follow up question that PartinG definitely has some respect for the guy (even says he learned from him).

I'll bet if he had a sports psychologist or something he could be an even better player - his problems tend to revolve around his anger issues.

It makes me sad he still hasn't found a team yet, even though I understand his attitude issues must be a real problem since he'd be signed by someone otherwise.


He likes to be kind of a "lone wolf" - he received multiple offers, both from KeSPA teams and other teams, but he declined.

LOL, a player that's known for being unprofessional, whinny inside/outside of game, whinny on twitter after every loss, does whatever he could to discredit a player that just beat him, has no respect for his opponent or the game, hated by many Korean players and teams after the Nestea thing.

Yeah, good luck getting offer from a Kespa team. You probably don't know much about Kespa.

idra got an offer in cj

Idra knows when to behave and when the admins ignore it tough Doubt you will ever see him pulling a stunt in Korea.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
March 12 2013 21:11 GMT
#35
LOL, Parting's reaction when they ask him about Naniwa says all.
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
March 12 2013 21:14 GMT
#36
Parting really looks up to Rain
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 21:15:13
March 12 2013 21:15 GMT
#37
On March 13 2013 06:04 NoGasfOu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:49 Zealously wrote:
On March 13 2013 05:47 Swords wrote:
Whether Naniwa is good or not debate aside, PartinG's assessment of him seems pretty accurate. It's clear from the follow up question that PartinG definitely has some respect for the guy (even says he learned from him).

I'll bet if he had a sports psychologist or something he could be an even better player - his problems tend to revolve around his anger issues.

It makes me sad he still hasn't found a team yet, even though I understand his attitude issues must be a real problem since he'd be signed by someone otherwise.


He likes to be kind of a "lone wolf" - he received multiple offers, both from KeSPA teams and other teams, but he declined.

LOL, a player that's known for being unprofessional, whinny inside/outside of game, whinny on twitter after every loss, does whatever he could to discredit a player that just beat him, has no respect for his opponent or the game, hated by many Korean players and teams after the Nestea thing.

Yeah, good luck getting offer from a Kespa team. You probably don't know much about Kespa.


I know plenty about KeSPA, thank you very much - something tells me you don't know much about Naniwa, though.

This was posted in Naniwa's fan club, but I guess he could be lying - that'd make a whole lot of sense. But unless Naniwa wants to say something in this thread himself, I'll show myself out - I feel this is very off-topic.
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forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
March 12 2013 21:15 GMT
#38
On March 13 2013 06:04 Gosi wrote:
Hmm I don't think Bisu is that good at Terran like PartinG makes him out to be if his TvT is THAT bad that it would hinder him from a switch. He has freaking BoxeR as coach and Fantasy is a beast already, I'm sure they could get Bisu's TvT up to standard if it was worth the effort.

Which makes me sad because I have wanted Bisu to play Terran for a long time. ^^


I think every KT fans secretly wants Bisu to change to Terran.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
March 12 2013 21:17 GMT
#39
--- Nuked ---
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
March 12 2013 21:18 GMT
#40
On March 13 2013 05:27 darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
In the matches it also went just like I'd wished, all the build orders were perfect for me, but then I chose bad timings for fights, where I didn't have to fight, so I lost eventually. I think I was really overconfident and I could have won all of the games."


Overconfidence into overconfidence? ^^


Sounds like my kind of transition.
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Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
March 12 2013 21:22 GMT
#41
On March 13 2013 06:15 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 06:04 NoGasfOu wrote:
On March 13 2013 05:49 Zealously wrote:
On March 13 2013 05:47 Swords wrote:
Whether Naniwa is good or not debate aside, PartinG's assessment of him seems pretty accurate. It's clear from the follow up question that PartinG definitely has some respect for the guy (even says he learned from him).

I'll bet if he had a sports psychologist or something he could be an even better player - his problems tend to revolve around his anger issues.

It makes me sad he still hasn't found a team yet, even though I understand his attitude issues must be a real problem since he'd be signed by someone otherwise.


He likes to be kind of a "lone wolf" - he received multiple offers, both from KeSPA teams and other teams, but he declined.

LOL, a player that's known for being unprofessional, whinny inside/outside of game, whinny on twitter after every loss, does whatever he could to discredit a player that just beat him, has no respect for his opponent or the game, hated by many Korean players and teams after the Nestea thing.

Yeah, good luck getting offer from a Kespa team. You probably don't know much about Kespa.


I know plenty about KeSPA, thank you very much - something tells me you don't know much about Naniwa, though.

This was posted in Naniwa's fan club, but I guess he could be lying - that'd make a whole lot of sense. But unless Naniwa wants to say something in this thread himself, I'll show myself out - I feel this is very off-topic.


Sounds realistic. Afterall they took major.

Aside from that, he actually called sniper skillful and put him in the same group as life and leenock O_O. Guess Sniper is truly a beast afterall,although i didnt like most of the games in his run
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
March 12 2013 21:22 GMT
#42
On March 13 2013 05:57 forumtext wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:20 Thorin wrote:
I think NaNiwa's playstyle is like HerO's style, so a lot of harassing, but I think he needs to control himself better with his anger when he loses, so that he can focus more on the game. That would be the way for him to get better.


Progamer EGTL-Idra: If you don't get angry over your losses, you probably don't care enough


There's a difference between getting angry, and losing control of yourself when you get angry.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 21:29:07
March 12 2013 21:26 GMT
#43
"I think MC is really good at eating food"

Parting always cracks me up. I also like how he takes the time to add that HerO is very handsome.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 12 2013 21:27 GMT
#44
On March 13 2013 06:22 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:57 forumtext wrote:
On March 13 2013 05:20 Thorin wrote:
I think NaNiwa's playstyle is like HerO's style, so a lot of harassing, but I think he needs to control himself better with his anger when he loses, so that he can focus more on the game. That would be the way for him to get better.


Progamer EGTL-Idra: If you don't get angry over your losses, you probably don't care enough


There's a difference between getting angry, and losing control of yourself when you get angry.

Sounds like something out of a Hulk movie lol.

At this point, I'm just hoping Bisu becomes successful no matter what, even with a race switch to Terran. Then again, I'm a Terran player, so my racial bias runs deeply within my veins.
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yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
March 12 2013 21:30 GMT
#45
Toss is good at ZvP in HOTS now. Maybe Bisu can finally start putting up results in proleague. But still want to see Bisu as Terran though.
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neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
March 12 2013 21:33 GMT
#46
He mentioned squirtle : )

<3
maru G5L pls
MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
March 12 2013 21:43 GMT
#47
The interviewer asks good questions but his questions are waaaaay too long. It's like he is telling a story and then maybe put a short question at the end.
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
March 12 2013 21:46 GMT
#48
LOL @ his reaction to "Naniwa?" at 16:00
blamekilly
Profile Joined April 2011
466 Posts
March 12 2013 21:52 GMT
#49
I doubt that Bisu would switch to Terran. He's probably just playing the different races to understand the game better, like MVP. MVP plays random on the ladder and he's good with every race.
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 21:56:29
March 12 2013 21:55 GMT
#50
I dunno, Bisu, being good at 2 out of 3 matchups is better than being good at 0 out of 3 matchups. Especially if SPL is 95% of what you'll be playing in anyway.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
March 12 2013 21:55 GMT
#51
Naniwa doesnt play like hero at all.
LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
March 12 2013 21:59 GMT
#52
if bisu switches to terran, but starts to do well, my heart will be torn in two. love bisu, hate terran
:-)
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
March 12 2013 22:04 GMT
#53
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kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
March 12 2013 22:04 GMT
#54
SICK man. Keep 'em comin'!
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-12 22:05:02
March 12 2013 22:04 GMT
#55
On March 13 2013 05:56 NoGasfOu wrote:


"but I think he needs to control himself better with his anger when he loses, so that he can focus more on the game"

Just a way of saying a player is bad and unprofessional when you're forced to talk about him.

vouch.

i find it interesting that bisu considers switching to terran. imho, terran would fit his multitask- and harass-heavy playstyle much better than sc2 protoss. in this light, it also doesnt surprise me that his tvp and tvz are quite good, but he has problems with tvt. because tvz and tvp can be won by micro, multitasking, harassment and generally good mechanics. tvt, on the other hand, is the most tactical matchup in sc2, and this was never bisu's strength.

as a former bisu fan, protoss player in bw and terran player in sc2, it would be a dream come true to see bisu switch to terran and return to relevance.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
March 12 2013 22:07 GMT
#56
On March 13 2013 05:54 herMan wrote:
I would like for Bisu to switch to Terran if he would start to show some results. Maybe that's because I wasn't around during brood war.


You think Innovation can drop and multitask?

Ah really appreciate the switch to subtitled videos rather than translated out loud. Much easier to consume.
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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
March 12 2013 22:08 GMT
#57
On March 13 2013 05:27 darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
In the matches it also went just like I'd wished, all the build orders were perfect for me, but then I chose bad timings for fights, where I didn't have to fight, so I lost eventually. I think I was really overconfident and I could have won all of the games."


Overconfidence into overconfidence? ^^

Haha, seems he didn't learn much.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
March 12 2013 22:12 GMT
#58
Subtitled interview... <3
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
March 12 2013 22:18 GMT
#59
Can I ask why you can't full-screen the videos on the Team Acer site?
TABlitz
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia43 Posts
March 12 2013 22:20 GMT
#60
if Bisu has to switch to Terran so be it, I just wanna see my fave player playing at his best again!
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
March 12 2013 22:27 GMT
#61
Thanks for the interview! Your questions are always so long winded. Isn't the translator going crazy over it?

Also, I feel the last question to PartinG was unnecessarily political.
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Thorin
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
601 Posts
March 12 2013 22:30 GMT
#62
On March 13 2013 07:18 FreudianTrip wrote:
Can I ask why you can't full-screen the videos on the Team Acer site?

No idea, click play on the video and then click the youtube button at the bottom of the video.
smashlloyd20
Profile Joined October 2012
251 Posts
March 12 2013 22:37 GMT
#63
"Well, I would face all three races myself"

Classic parting :D
rice_devOurer
Profile Joined July 2012
United States773 Posts
March 12 2013 22:43 GMT
#64
On March 13 2013 05:40 Squiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:33 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days.

Cause he made RO8 in the GSL Code S twice. Not many foreigners did that (if any).

Jinro made Ro4 twice
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FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
March 12 2013 22:52 GMT
#65
On March 13 2013 07:30 Thorin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 07:18 FreudianTrip wrote:
Can I ask why you can't full-screen the videos on the Team Acer site?

No idea, click play on the video and then click the youtube button at the bottom of the video.

Yeah, I got there eventually Nice interview.

P.S. You forgot the hardest working swede in the business. Sase!
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
March 12 2013 23:06 GMT
#66
On March 13 2013 07:43 rice_devOurer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:40 Squiggles wrote:
On March 13 2013 05:33 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days.

Cause he made RO8 in the GSL Code S twice. Not many foreigners did that (if any).

Jinro made Ro4 twice

true, but at a time when his race was much stronger than nani's race at the time nani made his consecutive ro8 appearance. and at a time when everybody in general was still terrible.

jinro basically learned how to play proper macro games faster than most others - this gave him a short-lived edge over the rest of the field. once this strategical advantage wore out, jinro dropped back to the subpar player he is. (even though he is an awesome person, dont get me wrong.)
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
March 12 2013 23:19 GMT
#67
Bisu's playstyle totally works for Terran. I hope he does make the switch if that means seeing him in top form again.
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
March 12 2013 23:21 GMT
#68
Love parting
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15632 Posts
March 12 2013 23:24 GMT
#69
Better to die a Bisu than to live as a Terran...

I just want Bisu to be happy, but can a Protoss really be happy as Terran? And yet, I want him to be successful
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
March 12 2013 23:28 GMT
#70
On March 13 2013 08:06 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 07:43 rice_devOurer wrote:
On March 13 2013 05:40 Squiggles wrote:
On March 13 2013 05:33 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days.

Cause he made RO8 in the GSL Code S twice. Not many foreigners did that (if any).

Jinro made Ro4 twice

true, but at a time when his race was much stronger than nani's race at the time nani made his consecutive ro8 appearance. and at a time when everybody in general was still terrible.

jinro basically learned how to play proper macro games faster than most others - this gave him a short-lived edge over the rest of the field. once this strategical advantage wore out, jinro dropped back to the subpar player he is. (even though he is an awesome person, dont get me wrong.)

But doesn't that logic fail when you think about it? Naniwa's ro8 was quite a while ago so the players became way better as well yet you still people here hyping it like crazy.
You cannot use that logic for 1 example only.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
March 12 2013 23:29 GMT
#71
Is it better to see Bisu as Terran or not see Bisu at all? I do agree that Terran fits his style and skills much better. SC2 Protoss doesn't suit Bisu at all =\ Damn Blizzard ...
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15632 Posts
March 12 2013 23:38 GMT
#72
On March 13 2013 08:29 Thrillz wrote:
Is it better to see Bisu as Terran or not see Bisu at all? I do agree that Terran fits his style and skills much better. SC2 Protoss doesn't suit Bisu at all =\ Damn Blizzard ...


If this is how conflicted we as fans feel, just imagine the inner-struggle Bisu is experiencing. My thoughts go out to him and I hope he can find the strength to make his decision.
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
March 12 2013 23:38 GMT
#73
Really, how long are we going to wait for Bisu to either commit to going T or retire? Everyone's been betting on either of these happening!
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24977 Posts
March 12 2013 23:40 GMT
#74
God I love Parting, another example, if more were needed to disprove the 'Koreans don't have personalities'.

Tbh I'd rather have Bisu switch to Terran and be good, than be struggling as Protoss. I still believe though, the Revolutionist will rise!
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effecto
Profile Joined February 2011
France142 Posts
March 12 2013 23:44 GMT
#75
Good to hear that Bisu impress players like Parting, means he can comes back on top any moments
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asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
March 12 2013 23:51 GMT
#76
i can't believe i forgot about parting vs mvp in semifinals T_T I MUST NOT LOSE MY PASSION!
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
March 13 2013 00:04 GMT
#77
It is really hard to say it, but I'm going to do it anyway: Bisu should retire/quit SC2 and join Sea, Hiya, Mong, Pusan and everyone else in the SSL.

If Bisu does that, I'd imagine SSL viewership will double!
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rice_devOurer
Profile Joined July 2012
United States773 Posts
March 13 2013 00:06 GMT
#78
On March 13 2013 05:52 Csong wrote:
glad bisu isnt switching to terran,
would just feel so wrong, it would be like if
flash switches to zerg asdfjodif

like leta switching to protoss? :D
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Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
March 13 2013 00:48 GMT
#79
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Swordland
Profile Joined March 2013
232 Posts
March 13 2013 01:07 GMT
#80
BISU.....switch to terran NAO
MarkCJ
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada239 Posts
March 13 2013 01:12 GMT
#81
Terran Bisu would be so cool
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
March 13 2013 01:23 GMT
#82
Bisu could just do what MKP (another BW protoss) did for TvT, just basetrade until he gets used to standard play.
MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
March 13 2013 01:35 GMT
#83
No idea why you're questioning about why Mc has never been able to return to the top of protoss. It's pretty obvious that hes the only protoss player thats been somewhat successful in the GSL in the past 12 months..... As far as I'm concerned he's still teh best performing protoss.
roronoe
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada1527 Posts
March 13 2013 01:36 GMT
#84
Not the most photogenic guy right there.
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EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
March 13 2013 01:43 GMT
#85
On March 13 2013 10:36 roronoe wrote:
Not the most photogenic guy right there.


Pft, that's only because of you being more used to the other more handsome protoss on SKT
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
March 13 2013 01:46 GMT
#86
PartinG's skilled Zerg players: Life, Leenock, Sniper

PartinG has spoken.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24977 Posts
March 13 2013 01:49 GMT
#87
On March 13 2013 10:46 bokchoi wrote:
PartinG's skilled Zerg players: Life, Leenock, Sniper

PartinG has spoken.

It's hardly a secret. Most people accept he's realllly fucking good, but my god he is rather undistinguished
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Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
March 13 2013 01:54 GMT
#88
On March 13 2013 05:52 Csong wrote:
glad bisu isnt switching to terran,
would just feel so wrong, it would be like if
flash switches to zerg asdfjodif


Bisu could switch to Random. If he is good as Terran as Parting says, that means he only now needs to learn Zerg to play random.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 13 2013 02:09 GMT
#89
Parting thinks that in a year Flash will be one of the top players, but not Fantasy.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 13 2013 02:26 GMT
#90
On March 13 2013 10:46 bokchoi wrote:
PartinG's skilled Zerg players: Life, Leenock, Sniper

PartinG has spoken.


Fun fact, those are the only 3 players that have beaten the Soul Train.
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covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
March 13 2013 02:36 GMT
#91
I think MC is really good at eating food!! AHHAHAHAHAHHA
delayed reflex
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada358 Posts
March 13 2013 02:37 GMT
#92
Makes me wonder if you can racepick in the Korean leagues? Like play TvP, TvZ, PvT - that might be pretty awesome for Bisu
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
March 13 2013 02:59 GMT
#93
Sweet interview. Thanks Acer.

Still wanting someone to ask him why he picked "PartinG" for his ID though.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 03:12:41
March 13 2013 03:08 GMT
#94
As much as I prefer Bisu staying as Protoss, I would prefer he play Terran if and only if he can dominate. I think he totally could, though.
SC2 Protoss is just not for him. He has always been more of a mechanical player more than anything; SC2 Protoss does not provide enough actions for him to do.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 13 2013 03:09 GMT
#95
Interview was so good Tasteless!
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 13 2013 03:11 GMT
#96
On March 13 2013 12:09 ZenithM wrote:
Interview was so good Tasteless!


...What?
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ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
March 13 2013 03:13 GMT
#97
On March 13 2013 05:33 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days.


He made it to GSL ro8 twice consecutively and has won a number of EU qualifiers in the past few months. That MLG he didn't drop a single map till the finals aswell (I'm pretty sure). But you're right, clearly one of EU's top Protosses and Players doesn't deserve any mention
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
March 13 2013 04:09 GMT
#98
On March 13 2013 11:37 delayed reflex wrote:
Makes me wonder if you can racepick in the Korean leagues? Like play TvP, TvZ, PvT - that might be pretty awesome for Bisu


Not sure about now but in the first OSL, a decent amount of players raced pick actually (along with playing Random).

Though I don't think it's possible anymore (you can play Random in SC2 at least).

I did hear someone race picking in a few SC2 tournaments before but I think they either forbid it or no one hasn't done it again for some reason.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 13 2013 04:13 GMT
#99
On March 13 2013 11:26 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 10:46 bokchoi wrote:
PartinG's skilled Zerg players: Life, Leenock, Sniper

PartinG has spoken.


Fun fact, those are the only 3 players that have beaten the Soul Train.


Suppy? Yes, it was a blind counter but still counts.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 13 2013 04:19 GMT
#100
On March 13 2013 13:09 Goldfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 11:37 delayed reflex wrote:
Makes me wonder if you can racepick in the Korean leagues? Like play TvP, TvZ, PvT - that might be pretty awesome for Bisu


Not sure about now but in the first OSL, a decent amount of players raced pick actually (along with playing Random).

Though I don't think it's possible anymore (you can play Random in SC2 at least).

I did hear someone race picking in a few SC2 tournaments before but I think they either forbid it or no one hasn't done it again for some reason.

I think it's not allowed anymore although for some reason I remember Gom saying they'd make an exception for Morrow when he went over and said they would let him play TvZ instead of ZvZ. I dont think it ever came up, though. not 100% sure. Just a memory
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SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5415 Posts
March 13 2013 04:21 GMT
#101
On March 13 2013 13:13 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 11:26 stuchiu wrote:
On March 13 2013 10:46 bokchoi wrote:
PartinG's skilled Zerg players: Life, Leenock, Sniper

PartinG has spoken.


Fun fact, those are the only 3 players that have beaten the Soul Train.


Suppy? Yes, it was a blind counter but still counts.


I assume he means in a BoX, not a game in a series.
roronoe
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada1527 Posts
March 13 2013 05:09 GMT
#102
On March 13 2013 10:43 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 10:36 roronoe wrote:
Not the most photogenic guy right there.


Pft, that's only because of you being more used to the other more handsome protoss on SKT


I just can't unsee the way his eyes look : /
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 05:30:49
March 13 2013 05:30 GMT
#103
im pretty sure they would allow someone to racepick if he stays with his picks throught the whole tournament. and even if they dont want to allow that in general, im pretty sure they would allow bisu to do so if this lets bisu have success again and come back on the stage. his return to form/relevance would bring in too much viewers and audience to deny that.
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
March 13 2013 05:33 GMT
#104
Between admiring how handsome Hero is in this interview and groping his teammates, I wish parting would just come out already.
XD
moo...for DRG
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
March 13 2013 05:41 GMT
#105
So Bisu isn't completely done ? Awesome news ! Bisu4ever
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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
March 13 2013 05:55 GMT
#106
The idea of Bisu not playing Protoss is super weird to me, I was a Protoss player in BW and he was always one of my favorites to watch, but I'd rather see him switch to Terran and perform well than not see him at all. Proleague isn't the same without Bisu owning everyone.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 13 2013 06:40 GMT
#107
I hope Bisu is really good in practice games, because PartinG can't really say anything else actually.
"Nah, Bisu is really as bad as everyone think *wink wink*, but his offrace beats the coach's wife, so I can say he's really good with Terran.'' wouldn't be good advertising.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 13 2013 06:43 GMT
#108
On March 13 2013 14:33 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Between admiring how handsome Hero is in this interview and groping his teammates, I wish parting would just come out already.
XD

From that interview:
"PartinG keeps touching us and groping us (laughs). I'm suspicious of PartinG's nature and identity. The two of us are the only ones going to MLG and I got to say that I'm a little worried."
lol, interesting. Not sure how I missed it before.

Thanks for the interview, will watch once I get the chance but those little snippets are amazing and are making me excited lol
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Novacute
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 06:48:59
March 13 2013 06:48 GMT
#109
It's odd when both your team mates (parting and rain) represent the pinnacle of Korean Protoss, yet Bisu is a lot better at Terran. Boxer's will must have been passed on to him and he should re-roll Terran.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 06:54:18
March 13 2013 06:53 GMT
#110
On March 13 2013 15:48 Novacute wrote:
It's odd when both your team mates (parting and rain) represent the pinnacle of Korean Protoss, yet Bisu is a lot better at Terran. Boxer's will must have been passed on to him and he should re-roll Terran.

Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves there, PartinG didn't say "better at Terran", he just said his offrace was good I think haha :D
Like, MarineKing's Protoss is KR GM level, but he's not really a Protoss player, if you know what I mean.
Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
March 13 2013 06:54 GMT
#111
I dont think there is any rule regarding players race. You can choose whatever race you want even between games in the best of series.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 13 2013 07:03 GMT
#112
On March 13 2013 15:54 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I dont think there is any rule regarding players race. You can choose whatever race you want even between games in the best of series.


There are tournaments that don't allow race picking. You have to register as a certain race, or register all your matchups (was it Morrow who played TvZ, ZvP and ZvT?). This makes sense because it is unfair for your opponent not to know your race while you know his. It gives you better time to prepare and a psychological advantage. Playing random is fine because you also don't know what you're getting. Allowing race switching during a tournament is stupid imo
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 13 2013 07:12 GMT
#113
On March 13 2013 13:21 SoleSteeler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 13:13 vthree wrote:
On March 13 2013 11:26 stuchiu wrote:
On March 13 2013 10:46 bokchoi wrote:
PartinG's skilled Zerg players: Life, Leenock, Sniper

PartinG has spoken.


Fun fact, those are the only 3 players that have beaten the Soul Train.


Suppy? Yes, it was a blind counter but still counts.


I assume he means in a BoX, not a game in a series.


The Soul Train usually refers to the immortal/sentry so it is likely to refer to games instead of a series. That is why Curious is not included because PartinG didn't use wonwonwon in that series.

Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
March 13 2013 07:12 GMT
#114
On March 13 2013 16:03 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 15:54 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I dont think there is any rule regarding players race. You can choose whatever race you want even between games in the best of series.


There are tournaments that don't allow race picking. You have to register as a certain race, or register all your matchups (was it Morrow who played TvZ, ZvP and ZvT?). This makes sense because it is unfair for your opponent not to know your race while you know his. It gives you better time to prepare and a psychological advantage. Playing random is fine because you also don't know what you're getting. Allowing race switching during a tournament is stupid imo


Why would it be an unfair advantage if anyone could do it? The only reason that it doesn't is becaue sc2 is a game where race/character switching is hard. If look at any other videogame, character switching/counterpicks happen all the time as long as there are fair rules governing it.
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
March 13 2013 07:14 GMT
#115
On March 13 2013 05:58 disciple wrote:
just switch to terran already, Bisu !



I hate you for that, glad that he already said that he won't switch ! :D
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LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
March 13 2013 07:15 GMT
#116
Love these interviews, thanks for putting these up!
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
March 13 2013 07:29 GMT
#117
These interviews are the best, seriously great work.

And of course people only talk about Bisu whenever he´s mentioned. :D
Corsus
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada63 Posts
March 13 2013 07:53 GMT
#118
Who do you think will be a top ex-bw player in a year, "Flash, Bisu, Jaedong and Rain". My god, order would be restored.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 13 2013 08:01 GMT
#119
On March 13 2013 16:12 Thrillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 16:03 lichter wrote:
On March 13 2013 15:54 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I dont think there is any rule regarding players race. You can choose whatever race you want even between games in the best of series.


There are tournaments that don't allow race picking. You have to register as a certain race, or register all your matchups (was it Morrow who played TvZ, ZvP and ZvT?). This makes sense because it is unfair for your opponent not to know your race while you know his. It gives you better time to prepare and a psychological advantage. Playing random is fine because you also don't know what you're getting. Allowing race switching during a tournament is stupid imo


Why would it be an unfair advantage if anyone could do it? The only reason that it doesn't is becaue sc2 is a game where race/character switching is hard. If look at any other videogame, character switching/counterpicks happen all the time as long as there are fair rules governing it.


Don't compare fighting games with RTS. They are not similar in this regard. Fighting games reward mechanics and reaction time (as well as improvisation and quick thinking) the most, while strategy games reward STRATEGY. It is almost impossible to prepare strategy for an opponent when you don't know what race he will be playing. A tournament is not like ladder. RTS tournaments should reward preparedness and strategic thinking, not only mechanics and ability to grind games. The only way race picking is allowed is if it is registered at the beginning of tournaments.
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algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
March 13 2013 08:04 GMT
#120
When will you grill bisu ? I want a real statement about his futur !
rly ?
CodeskyE
Profile Joined January 2011
United States777 Posts
March 13 2013 08:06 GMT
#121
On March 13 2013 05:40 Squiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 05:33 NoGasfOu wrote:
lol, Naniwa. I don't remember him winning anything since the days when everybody was bad at Starcraft of 2010 MLG. Not sure why they included him in there. Incontrol also got 4th place during those days.

Cause he made RO8 in the GSL Code S twice. Not many foreigners did that (if any).


Jinro made Code S RO4 back to back.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
March 13 2013 08:22 GMT
#122
Hmm but if Bisu has good TvP and TvZ he would be better than when he's playing toss no?
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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 08:34:17
March 13 2013 08:30 GMT
#123
On March 13 2013 17:01 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 16:12 Thrillz wrote:
On March 13 2013 16:03 lichter wrote:
On March 13 2013 15:54 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I dont think there is any rule regarding players race. You can choose whatever race you want even between games in the best of series.


There are tournaments that don't allow race picking. You have to register as a certain race, or register all your matchups (was it Morrow who played TvZ, ZvP and ZvT?). This makes sense because it is unfair for your opponent not to know your race while you know his. It gives you better time to prepare and a psychological advantage. Playing random is fine because you also don't know what you're getting. Allowing race switching during a tournament is stupid imo


Why would it be an unfair advantage if anyone could do it? The only reason that it doesn't is becaue sc2 is a game where race/character switching is hard. If look at any other videogame, character switching/counterpicks happen all the time as long as there are fair rules governing it.


Don't compare fighting games with RTS. They are not similar in this regard. Fighting games reward mechanics and reaction time (as well as improvisation and quick thinking) the most, while strategy games reward STRATEGY. It is almost impossible to prepare strategy for an opponent when you don't know what race he will be playing. A tournament is not like ladder. RTS tournaments should reward preparedness and strategic thinking, not only mechanics and ability to grind games. The only way race picking is allowed is if it is registered at the beginning of tournaments.


Like I said, the only reason people don't do it is because it's hard, if everyone had the ability to do so, there would be no quarrel about it. Fighting games, and other videos games have strategy as well, and certain people plan strategies just like sc2. The only real tournaments that allow for long term prepardness is tournaments in Korea anyways. Most foreign tournies are weekend grind, where outside of your first round or group stages, you have zero idea who you're playing next until a few hours before your game. Personally, it would be interesting and rewarding for those with the skills to do it as long as there is a fair system. In essence, if the tournament doesn't allow it then that's fine, but that doesn't mean all tournaments shouldn't allow it. If a tournament allows it then I see no problem with them allowing it.
FatNikE
Profile Joined March 2013
United Kingdom52 Posts
March 13 2013 08:31 GMT
#124
On March 13 2013 05:27 darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
In the matches it also went just like I'd wished, all the build orders were perfect for me, but then I chose bad timings for fights, where I didn't have to fight, so I lost eventually. I think I was really overconfident and I could have won all of the games."


Overconfidence into overconfidence? ^^


Well, no, as a competitive player you NEED to think you could have won any games, not in small part because it's true. You just can't assume you will win, you need to keep looking for how to make it happen.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 13 2013 09:06 GMT
#125
On March 13 2013 17:30 Thrillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 17:01 lichter wrote:
On March 13 2013 16:12 Thrillz wrote:
On March 13 2013 16:03 lichter wrote:
On March 13 2013 15:54 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I dont think there is any rule regarding players race. You can choose whatever race you want even between games in the best of series.


There are tournaments that don't allow race picking. You have to register as a certain race, or register all your matchups (was it Morrow who played TvZ, ZvP and ZvT?). This makes sense because it is unfair for your opponent not to know your race while you know his. It gives you better time to prepare and a psychological advantage. Playing random is fine because you also don't know what you're getting. Allowing race switching during a tournament is stupid imo


Why would it be an unfair advantage if anyone could do it? The only reason that it doesn't is becaue sc2 is a game where race/character switching is hard. If look at any other videogame, character switching/counterpicks happen all the time as long as there are fair rules governing it.


Don't compare fighting games with RTS. They are not similar in this regard. Fighting games reward mechanics and reaction time (as well as improvisation and quick thinking) the most, while strategy games reward STRATEGY. It is almost impossible to prepare strategy for an opponent when you don't know what race he will be playing. A tournament is not like ladder. RTS tournaments should reward preparedness and strategic thinking, not only mechanics and ability to grind games. The only way race picking is allowed is if it is registered at the beginning of tournaments.


Like I said, the only reason people don't do it is because it's hard, if everyone had the ability to do so, there would be no quarrel about it. Fighting games, and other videos games have strategy as well, and certain people plan strategies just like sc2. The only real tournaments that allow for long term prepardness is tournaments in Korea anyways. Most foreign tournies are weekend grind, where outside of your first round or group stages, you have zero idea who you're playing next until a few hours before your game. Personally, it would be interesting and rewarding for those with the skills to do it as long as there is a fair system. In essence, if the tournament doesn't allow it then that's fine, but that doesn't mean all tournaments shouldn't allow it. If a tournament allows it then I see no problem with them allowing it.


I don't consider weekend grinds to be very good tournaments. While that is a personal bias, there's also a reason why Korean tournaments with long preparation times are considered the most prestigious. That's not caused only by preparation time, but it is certainly a factor.

While I do agree that it's not intrinsically bad to allow race switching (like I said, some tournies allow Morrow to choose his matchups), I don't agree that players should be allowed to play anything they want. They need to register it so players will be prepared, and there won't be wonky situations like the following:

Player A chooses to play TvZ, TvT, and ZvP
Player B chooses to play PvT, TvZ, and PvP

Their matchups don't coincide. How will the situation be resolved?

Anyway this is off topic. I hope Bisu just plays, even though I don't like him.
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NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
March 13 2013 10:12 GMT
#126
On March 13 2013 18:06 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 17:30 Thrillz wrote:
On March 13 2013 17:01 lichter wrote:
On March 13 2013 16:12 Thrillz wrote:
On March 13 2013 16:03 lichter wrote:
On March 13 2013 15:54 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I dont think there is any rule regarding players race. You can choose whatever race you want even between games in the best of series.


There are tournaments that don't allow race picking. You have to register as a certain race, or register all your matchups (was it Morrow who played TvZ, ZvP and ZvT?). This makes sense because it is unfair for your opponent not to know your race while you know his. It gives you better time to prepare and a psychological advantage. Playing random is fine because you also don't know what you're getting. Allowing race switching during a tournament is stupid imo


Why would it be an unfair advantage if anyone could do it? The only reason that it doesn't is becaue sc2 is a game where race/character switching is hard. If look at any other videogame, character switching/counterpicks happen all the time as long as there are fair rules governing it.


Don't compare fighting games with RTS. They are not similar in this regard. Fighting games reward mechanics and reaction time (as well as improvisation and quick thinking) the most, while strategy games reward STRATEGY. It is almost impossible to prepare strategy for an opponent when you don't know what race he will be playing. A tournament is not like ladder. RTS tournaments should reward preparedness and strategic thinking, not only mechanics and ability to grind games. The only way race picking is allowed is if it is registered at the beginning of tournaments.


Like I said, the only reason people don't do it is because it's hard, if everyone had the ability to do so, there would be no quarrel about it. Fighting games, and other videos games have strategy as well, and certain people plan strategies just like sc2. The only real tournaments that allow for long term prepardness is tournaments in Korea anyways. Most foreign tournies are weekend grind, where outside of your first round or group stages, you have zero idea who you're playing next until a few hours before your game. Personally, it would be interesting and rewarding for those with the skills to do it as long as there is a fair system. In essence, if the tournament doesn't allow it then that's fine, but that doesn't mean all tournaments shouldn't allow it. If a tournament allows it then I see no problem with them allowing it.


I don't consider weekend grinds to be very good tournaments. While that is a personal bias, there's also a reason why Korean tournaments with long preparation times are considered the most prestigious. That's not caused only by preparation time, but it is certainly a factor.

While I do agree that it's not intrinsically bad to allow race switching (like I said, some tournies allow Morrow to choose his matchups), I don't agree that players should be allowed to play anything they want. They need to register it so players will be prepared, and there won't be wonky situations like the following:

Player A chooses to play TvZ, TvT, and ZvP
Player B chooses to play PvT, TvZ, and PvP

Their matchups don't coincide. How will the situation be resolved?

Anyway this is off topic. I hope Bisu just plays, even though I don't like him.



Why would anyone not like Bisu !? Cuz you're Zerg and he revolutionized PvZ in Broodwar ?
Best Protoss Player 4 ever - Bisu[Shield] || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326242 || THIS IS WHERE WE STAND, THIS IS WHERE THEY FALL, GIVE THEM NOTHING, BUT TAKE FROM THEM EVERYTHING ! || SKT FIGHTIIING
Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
March 13 2013 10:14 GMT
#127
On March 13 2013 18:06 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 17:30 Thrillz wrote:
On March 13 2013 17:01 lichter wrote:
On March 13 2013 16:12 Thrillz wrote:
On March 13 2013 16:03 lichter wrote:
On March 13 2013 15:54 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I dont think there is any rule regarding players race. You can choose whatever race you want even between games in the best of series.


There are tournaments that don't allow race picking. You have to register as a certain race, or register all your matchups (was it Morrow who played TvZ, ZvP and ZvT?). This makes sense because it is unfair for your opponent not to know your race while you know his. It gives you better time to prepare and a psychological advantage. Playing random is fine because you also don't know what you're getting. Allowing race switching during a tournament is stupid imo


Why would it be an unfair advantage if anyone could do it? The only reason that it doesn't is becaue sc2 is a game where race/character switching is hard. If look at any other videogame, character switching/counterpicks happen all the time as long as there are fair rules governing it.


Don't compare fighting games with RTS. They are not similar in this regard. Fighting games reward mechanics and reaction time (as well as improvisation and quick thinking) the most, while strategy games reward STRATEGY. It is almost impossible to prepare strategy for an opponent when you don't know what race he will be playing. A tournament is not like ladder. RTS tournaments should reward preparedness and strategic thinking, not only mechanics and ability to grind games. The only way race picking is allowed is if it is registered at the beginning of tournaments.


Like I said, the only reason people don't do it is because it's hard, if everyone had the ability to do so, there would be no quarrel about it. Fighting games, and other videos games have strategy as well, and certain people plan strategies just like sc2. The only real tournaments that allow for long term prepardness is tournaments in Korea anyways. Most foreign tournies are weekend grind, where outside of your first round or group stages, you have zero idea who you're playing next until a few hours before your game. Personally, it would be interesting and rewarding for those with the skills to do it as long as there is a fair system. In essence, if the tournament doesn't allow it then that's fine, but that doesn't mean all tournaments shouldn't allow it. If a tournament allows it then I see no problem with them allowing it.


I don't consider weekend grinds to be very good tournaments. While that is a personal bias, there's also a reason why Korean tournaments with long preparation times are considered the most prestigious. That's not caused only by preparation time, but it is certainly a factor.

While I do agree that it's not intrinsically bad to allow race switching (like I said, some tournies allow Morrow to choose his matchups), I don't agree that players should be allowed to play anything they want. They need to register it so players will be prepared, and there won't be wonky situations like the following:

Player A chooses to play TvZ, TvT, and ZvP
Player B chooses to play PvT, TvZ, and PvP

Their matchups don't coincide. How will the situation be resolved?

Anyway this is off topic. I hope Bisu just plays, even though I don't like him.

Players would change race on the fly
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
March 13 2013 11:41 GMT
#128
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Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
March 13 2013 11:56 GMT
#129
That is nonsense. If someone is gonna play "random" and pick races at fly on the stage, then the race picker is so good at all races that its no problem for him. If someone has problems against race picker, then they are free to practise all races aswell.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5594 Posts
March 13 2013 12:08 GMT
#130
Some of the questions are quite obnoxious imo. ("How did it feel being a dishwasher?").

It was interesting that he predicted Flash, Jaedong, Bisu and Rain as the best players one year from now...
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 13 2013 13:33 GMT
#131
On March 13 2013 19:12 NexCa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 18:06 lichter wrote:
On March 13 2013 17:30 Thrillz wrote:
On March 13 2013 17:01 lichter wrote:
On March 13 2013 16:12 Thrillz wrote:
On March 13 2013 16:03 lichter wrote:
On March 13 2013 15:54 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I dont think there is any rule regarding players race. You can choose whatever race you want even between games in the best of series.


There are tournaments that don't allow race picking. You have to register as a certain race, or register all your matchups (was it Morrow who played TvZ, ZvP and ZvT?). This makes sense because it is unfair for your opponent not to know your race while you know his. It gives you better time to prepare and a psychological advantage. Playing random is fine because you also don't know what you're getting. Allowing race switching during a tournament is stupid imo


Why would it be an unfair advantage if anyone could do it? The only reason that it doesn't is becaue sc2 is a game where race/character switching is hard. If look at any other videogame, character switching/counterpicks happen all the time as long as there are fair rules governing it.


Don't compare fighting games with RTS. They are not similar in this regard. Fighting games reward mechanics and reaction time (as well as improvisation and quick thinking) the most, while strategy games reward STRATEGY. It is almost impossible to prepare strategy for an opponent when you don't know what race he will be playing. A tournament is not like ladder. RTS tournaments should reward preparedness and strategic thinking, not only mechanics and ability to grind games. The only way race picking is allowed is if it is registered at the beginning of tournaments.


Like I said, the only reason people don't do it is because it's hard, if everyone had the ability to do so, there would be no quarrel about it. Fighting games, and other videos games have strategy as well, and certain people plan strategies just like sc2. The only real tournaments that allow for long term prepardness is tournaments in Korea anyways. Most foreign tournies are weekend grind, where outside of your first round or group stages, you have zero idea who you're playing next until a few hours before your game. Personally, it would be interesting and rewarding for those with the skills to do it as long as there is a fair system. In essence, if the tournament doesn't allow it then that's fine, but that doesn't mean all tournaments shouldn't allow it. If a tournament allows it then I see no problem with them allowing it.


I don't consider weekend grinds to be very good tournaments. While that is a personal bias, there's also a reason why Korean tournaments with long preparation times are considered the most prestigious. That's not caused only by preparation time, but it is certainly a factor.

While I do agree that it's not intrinsically bad to allow race switching (like I said, some tournies allow Morrow to choose his matchups), I don't agree that players should be allowed to play anything they want. They need to register it so players will be prepared, and there won't be wonky situations like the following:

Player A chooses to play TvZ, TvT, and ZvP
Player B chooses to play PvT, TvZ, and PvP

Their matchups don't coincide. How will the situation be resolved?

Anyway this is off topic. I hope Bisu just plays, even though I don't like him.



Why would anyone not like Bisu !? Cuz you're Zerg and he revolutionized PvZ in Broodwar ?


Not an SKT fan :p

(also his handsomeness threatens me)
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19225 Posts
March 13 2013 13:42 GMT
#132
Just because a race is harder to master for someone doesn't mean he should switch races. Bisu will be a god no matter what so hush up all you impatient/terran fans he can do what he wants. Don't you guys want to see what it's like the day he unlocks the key to breaking the PvZ matchup? BvZ fighting!
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NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
March 14 2013 07:28 GMT
#133
On March 13 2013 22:42 BisuDagger wrote:
Just because a race is harder to master for someone doesn't mean he should switch races. Bisu will be a god no matter what so hush up all you impatient/terran fans he can do what he wants. Don't you guys want to see what it's like the day he unlocks the key to breaking the PvZ matchup? BvZ fighting!


I couldn't have said it better myself.
Best Protoss Player 4 ever - Bisu[Shield] || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326242 || THIS IS WHERE WE STAND, THIS IS WHERE THEY FALL, GIVE THEM NOTHING, BUT TAKE FROM THEM EVERYTHING ! || SKT FIGHTIIING
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