On March 05 2013 12:26 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: What is this sudden influx of SC2 hate? I thought this sort of behavior was burning out? Is it if your not first then you are ostracized leper in bowels of hell?
Too many people being overly optimistic about esport and we all thought sc2 would be the next "bw".
SC 2 is already more successful than bw. BW only succeeded in korea and there was no meaningful scene outside kr. SC 2 succeeded globally far more than bw did.
On March 05 2013 12:26 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: What is this sudden influx of SC2 hate? I thought this sort of behavior was burning out? Is it if your not first then you are ostracized leper in bowels of hell?
Too many people being overly optimistic about esport and we all thought sc2 would be the next "bw".
SC 2 is already more successful than bw. BW only succeeded in korea and there was no meaningful scene outside kr. SC 2 succeeded globally far more than bw did.
True, but BW reached a mainstream critical mass in Korea that SC2 has not in either the east or west. BW reached a point where it could sustain itself in Korea for over a decade without the support (financial or otherwise) of Blizzard, foreign viewers, or widely available internet streaming. I just hope Starcraft, in any form, is able to sustain itself for the decade to come.
On March 05 2013 12:36 forumtext wrote: Does Blizzard still have a 50% tournament tax rate or has that changed?
*vomits in mouth * 50%!?!? Really?
lol its supposed to be like a big % of ad revenue i think? i think sundance touched on that number, but i dont recall it being as high as 50%
If I were Sundance and had to fork over 50% of my ad revenue to Blizzard I would probably start a totally different business ...
At least now I know why the early SC2 tournies at MLG only had a couple of benches for their audience.
IIRC it's only for tournaments that exceed a certain price money threshold(5000 usd?). I think when Blizzard first introduced this tax, they must have expecting BIG SC2 tournaments all over the world.
Oh well, they still have 2 chances to make it come true.
*btw I am not 100% sure it's 50% ad tax, but this is the number most people throw around.
On March 05 2013 09:56 Loomies wrote: "Today, game publishers are holding their own tournaments, which is why we are not ready to commit the resources at this time to run another major independent event. "
Hmm...
This could be referencing Riot and the LCS, which would be ongoing during the IPL 6. the viewership would be split, and the sc2 audience + 1/2 the league audience is not enough to support the prizepool and other expenses of IPL6.
good luck IPL, hope you guys find a way to make it through this
LCS games would have been at IPL, so the viewership will go to IPL.
The whole thing is a huge PR bullshit post by IGN/Jiff Davis, IPL is only #2 lan event on NA that happens regularly and has an actual brand...just pr bullshit to no say the truth.
On March 05 2013 12:15 MrRicewife wrote: Unbelievable.
Why can't business owners just be honest?
What you should have said: We don't think we will get enough profit out of this event. So, we are canceling it. Sorry about that. Oh, the refund will come, you know, sometime within 10 days or whatever. Oh ya, all the interest we made off of your money, we're going to keep so... You know, thanks.
I will NOT be purchasing anything in the future that has ANYTHING to do with you guys. Also, way to show us what you really think about Esports. As if you are there for any other reason but profit. For shame.
Again, you've lost a customer for Hots. I know I'm not the only one that feels this way.
Dude, it's understandable that you're upset, but you're making a few too many assumptions there. If IPL where banking any serious money off of interest, they wouldn't have canceled. And if they were rolling in piles of e-sports money, they wouldn't be trying to sell off IPL.
And you have no idea whether it was an issue of 'enough profit'. Maybe they had cash flow issues. Maybe they realized they could only continue at a massive loss and that there was a lot of esports competition that weekend.
All viable explanations. But that justifies abusing your customers?
Also, the fact of keeping any money from interest, a penny to thousands of dollars, is irrelevant. It comes down to morality. I understand that it would be very complicated and expensive for the owners/directors to figure out the interest for everyone and be able to pay it back. A substitute, like a free shirt, free tickets, free something, would be a lot better than; sorry about that, better luck next time.
And that brings up another good point... Why don't we have an idea? The official announcement is :
On March 05 2013 09:52 IGNProLeague wrote:When we launched IPL two years ago, the eSports landscape was very different with far fewer events than we have now. Today, game publishers are holding their own tournaments, which is why we are not ready to commit the resources at this time to run another major independent event.
If they don't want us to assume certain things, like what you said, cash flow issues, or what I said, not enough profits to be worth it, then they should have explained to their consumers a little better. How big of a slap in the face would it be if say, Apple just canceled their next iPhone launch and all they said was : A couple years ago it was a different scene. Other companies are selling their own phones now, so, we aren't ready to really commit to our new one. Sorry.
It would be outrageous, just like how this is.
I'm really not as upset as my tone is making me seem, but I'm just really at awe by how poorly managed this cancellation is. Don't get me wrong, I am fully aware and understand that businesses need to cut corners and make the correct move every single time, or else the ship sinks, which is what they did, but don't fib to us. Don't give us some half ass answer, and nothing in return but a, sorry about that.
On March 05 2013 12:15 MrRicewife wrote: Unbelievable.
Why can't business owners just be honest?
What you should have said: We don't think we will get enough profit out of this event. So, we are canceling it. Sorry about that. Oh, the refund will come, you know, sometime within 10 days or whatever. Oh ya, all the interest we made off of your money, we're going to keep so... You know, thanks.
I will NOT be purchasing anything in the future that has ANYTHING to do with you guys. Also, way to show us what you really think about Esports. As if you are there for any other reason but profit. For shame.
Again, you've lost a customer for Hots. I know I'm not the only one that feels this way.
You sound like you're young and don't know much about the real world. What interest are you talking about? What leads you to believe they don't care at all about esports? And what business is not motivated by profits? You expect IPL to invest millions just for their passion?
Lol... you are getting personal, why?? You don't know anything about me, yet you make the presumption I am younger than you? That's childish..
They have no obligation to explain to you with any further detail why they are backing out of doing this event or any other one for that matter. I understand you are upset about the cancellation but you need to just get over it.
On March 05 2013 12:26 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: What is this sudden influx of SC2 hate? I thought this sort of behavior was burning out? Is it if your not first then you are ostracized leper in bowels of hell?
Too many people being overly optimistic about esport and we all thought sc2 would be the next "bw".
SC 2 is already more successful than bw. BW only succeeded in korea and there was no meaningful scene outside kr. SC 2 succeeded globally far more than bw did.
True, but BW reached a mainstream critical mass in Korea that SC2 has not in either the east or west. BW reached a point where it could sustain itself in Korea for over a decade without the support (financial or otherwise) of Blizzard, foreign viewers, or widely available internet streaming. I just hope Starcraft, in any form, is able to sustain itself for the decade to come.
That was all the luck in the world combined that tough. The game just being good was not all of it.
On March 05 2013 12:26 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: What is this sudden influx of SC2 hate? I thought this sort of behavior was burning out? Is it if your not first then you are ostracized leper in bowels of hell?
Too many people being overly optimistic about esport and we all thought sc2 would be the next "bw".
SC 2 is already more successful than bw. BW only succeeded in korea and there was no meaningful scene outside kr. SC 2 succeeded globally far more than bw did.
True, but BW reached a mainstream critical mass in Korea that SC2 has not in either the east or west. BW reached a point where it could sustain itself in Korea for over a decade without the support (financial or otherwise) of Blizzard, foreign viewers, or widely available internet streaming. I just hope Starcraft, in any form, is able to sustain itself for the decade to come.
That was all the luck in the world combined that tough. The game just being good was not all of it.
On March 05 2013 12:15 MrRicewife wrote: Unbelievable.
Why can't business owners just be honest?
What you should have said: We don't think we will get enough profit out of this event. So, we are canceling it. Sorry about that. Oh, the refund will come, you know, sometime within 10 days or whatever. Oh ya, all the interest we made off of your money, we're going to keep so... You know, thanks.
I will NOT be purchasing anything in the future that has ANYTHING to do with you guys. Also, way to show us what you really think about Esports. As if you are there for any other reason but profit. For shame.
Again, you've lost a customer for Hots. I know I'm not the only one that feels this way.
Dude, it's understandable that you're upset, but you're making a few too many assumptions there. If IPL where banking any serious money off of interest, they wouldn't have canceled. And if they were rolling in piles of e-sports money, they wouldn't be trying to sell off IPL.
And you have no idea whether it was an issue of 'enough profit'. Maybe they had cash flow issues. Maybe they realized they could only continue at a massive loss and that there was a lot of esports competition that weekend.
All viable explanations. But that justifies abusing your customers?
Also, the fact of keeping any money from interest, a penny to thousands of dollars, is irrelevant. It comes down to morality. I understand that it would be very complicated and expensive for the owners/directors to figure out the interest for everyone and be able to pay it back. A substitute, like a free shirt, free tickets, free something, would be a lot better than; sorry about that, better luck next time.
And that brings up another good point... Why don't we have an idea? The official announcement is :
On March 05 2013 09:52 IGNProLeague wrote:When we launched IPL two years ago, the eSports landscape was very different with far fewer events than we have now. Today, game publishers are holding their own tournaments, which is why we are not ready to commit the resources at this time to run another major independent event.
If they don't want us to assume certain things, like what you said, cash flow issues, or what I said, not enough profits to be worth it, then they should have explained to their consumers a little better. How big of a slap in the face would it be if say, Apple just canceled their next iPhone launch and all they said was : A couple years ago it was a different scene. Other companies are selling their own phones now, so, we aren't ready to really commit to our new one. Sorry.
It would be outrageous, just like how this is.
I'm really not as upset as my tone is making me seem, but I'm just really at awe by how poorly managed this cancellation is. Don't get me wrong, I am fully aware and understand that businesses need to cut corners and make the correct move every single time, or else the ship sinks, which is what they did, but don't fib to us. Don't give us some half ass answer, and nothing in return but a, sorry about that.
On March 05 2013 12:15 MrRicewife wrote: Unbelievable.
Why can't business owners just be honest?
What you should have said: We don't think we will get enough profit out of this event. So, we are canceling it. Sorry about that. Oh, the refund will come, you know, sometime within 10 days or whatever. Oh ya, all the interest we made off of your money, we're going to keep so... You know, thanks.
I will NOT be purchasing anything in the future that has ANYTHING to do with you guys. Also, way to show us what you really think about Esports. As if you are there for any other reason but profit. For shame.
Again, you've lost a customer for Hots. I know I'm not the only one that feels this way.
You sound like you're young and don't know much about the real world. What interest are you talking about? What leads you to believe they don't care at all about esports? And what business is not motivated by profits? You expect IPL to invest millions just for their passion?
Lol... you are getting personal, why?? You don't know anything about me, yet you make the presumption I am younger than you? That's childish..
They have no obligation to explain to you with any further detail why they are backing out of doing this event or any other one for that matter. I understand you are upset about the cancellation but you need to just get over it.
You sir, are correct! They have no obligation what-so-ever. In turn, that may piss some people off, or at the least, lose faith in their organization. Which, I am, and have. Where you are wrong is that I need to get over it. It's a free world (well most parts) and I'm allowed to express my opinion. Don't take that away from me. I can just say, if you don't enjoy what I am saying, just get over it. That's rude, so I won't.
On March 05 2013 12:26 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: What is this sudden influx of SC2 hate? I thought this sort of behavior was burning out? Is it if your not first then you are ostracized leper in bowels of hell?
Too many people being overly optimistic about esport and we all thought sc2 would be the next "bw".
SC 2 is already more successful than bw. BW only succeeded in korea and there was no meaningful scene outside kr. SC 2 succeeded globally far more than bw did.
True, but BW reached a mainstream critical mass in Korea that SC2 has not in either the east or west. BW reached a point where it could sustain itself in Korea for over a decade without the support (financial or otherwise) of Blizzard, foreign viewers, or widely available internet streaming. I just hope Starcraft, in any form, is able to sustain itself for the decade to come.
That was all the luck in the world combined that tough. The game just being good was not all of it.
Care to elaborate how BW got lucky?
It hit at the perfect time in Koreas industrialization developement. Kids suddenly had access to cheap internew and cheap computers for the first time in their history. BW was free for all respective purpose's so there was no barrier of entry. It was a good game at a good time and it just exploded in korea.
Real sad that IPL ended like this, would have been much better if they didn't annouce ipl6 at all.
On March 05 2013 12:26 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: What is this sudden influx of SC2 hate? I thought this sort of behavior was burning out? Is it if your not first then you are ostracized leper in bowels of hell?
Too many people being overly optimistic about esport and we all thought sc2 would be the next "bw".
SC 2 is already more successful than bw. BW only succeeded in korea and there was no meaningful scene outside kr. SC 2 succeeded globally far more than bw did.
True, but BW reached a mainstream critical mass in Korea that SC2 has not in either the east or west. BW reached a point where it could sustain itself in Korea for over a decade without the support (financial or otherwise) of Blizzard, foreign viewers, or widely available internet streaming. I just hope Starcraft, in any form, is able to sustain itself for the decade to come.
That was all the luck in the world combined that tough. The game just being good was not all of it.
Care to elaborate how BW got lucky?
Korea was in a recession. BW was currently the big game of the time. PC Bangs were cheap sources of entertainment in Korea, especially important because of said recession. BW could be installed onto every machine in a PC Bang without requiring more than one copy (as long as no BNet), so it was extremely cheap for businesses. End result was a massive percentage of a population playing/knowing about BW.
And that's not including the growth of the tournament scene.
This is all extremely well documented, so if you want to look it up, go right ahead.
On March 05 2013 11:48 IronL wrote: I feel for the IPL crew, a seasoned and salty caster like kevin will probably be fine but sweet young Robin was just getting warmed up imo. In any case, I hope IPL finds a new home and if it doesn't I really hope that whole crew finds more work in the scene.
Thanks man. Im hoping the future will work out. I walked away from casting once and the IPL thing fell in my lap. This time im willing to work harder for something bigger =)
On March 05 2013 12:15 MrRicewife wrote: Unbelievable.
Why can't business owners just be honest?
What you should have said: We don't think we will get enough profit out of this event. So, we are canceling it. Sorry about that. Oh, the refund will come, you know, sometime within 10 days or whatever. Oh ya, all the interest we made off of your money, we're going to keep so... You know, thanks.
I will NOT be purchasing anything in the future that has ANYTHING to do with you guys. Also, way to show us what you really think about Esports. As if you are there for any other reason but profit. For shame.
Again, you've lost a customer for Hots. I know I'm not the only one that feels this way.
Dude, it's understandable that you're upset, but you're making a few too many assumptions there. If IPL where banking any serious money off of interest, they wouldn't have canceled. And if they were rolling in piles of e-sports money, they wouldn't be trying to sell off IPL.
And you have no idea whether it was an issue of 'enough profit'. Maybe they had cash flow issues. Maybe they realized they could only continue at a massive loss and that there was a lot of esports competition that weekend.
All viable explanations. But that justifies abusing your customers?
Also, the fact of keeping any money from interest, a penny to thousands of dollars, is irrelevant. It comes down to morality. I understand that it would be very complicated and expensive for the owners/directors to figure out the interest for everyone and be able to pay it back. A substitute, like a free shirt, free tickets, free something, would be a lot better than; sorry about that, better luck next time.
And that brings up another good point... Why don't we have an idea? The official announcement is :
On March 05 2013 09:52 IGNProLeague wrote:When we launched IPL two years ago, the eSports landscape was very different with far fewer events than we have now. Today, game publishers are holding their own tournaments, which is why we are not ready to commit the resources at this time to run another major independent event.
If they don't want us to assume certain things, like what you said, cash flow issues, or what I said, not enough profits to be worth it, then they should have explained to their consumers a little better. How big of a slap in the face would it be if say, Apple just canceled their next iPhone launch and all they said was : A couple years ago it was a different scene. Other companies are selling their own phones now, so, we aren't ready to really commit to our new one. Sorry.
It would be outrageous, just like how this is.
I'm really not as upset as my tone is making me seem, but I'm just really at awe by how poorly managed this cancellation is. Don't get me wrong, I am fully aware and understand that businesses need to cut corners and make the correct move every single time, or else the ship sinks, which is what they did, but don't fib to us. Don't give us some half ass answer, and nothing in return but a, sorry about that.
On March 05 2013 12:15 MrRicewife wrote: Unbelievable.
Why can't business owners just be honest?
What you should have said: We don't think we will get enough profit out of this event. So, we are canceling it. Sorry about that. Oh, the refund will come, you know, sometime within 10 days or whatever. Oh ya, all the interest we made off of your money, we're going to keep so... You know, thanks.
I will NOT be purchasing anything in the future that has ANYTHING to do with you guys. Also, way to show us what you really think about Esports. As if you are there for any other reason but profit. For shame.
Again, you've lost a customer for Hots. I know I'm not the only one that feels this way.
You sound like you're young and don't know much about the real world. What interest are you talking about? What leads you to believe they don't care at all about esports? And what business is not motivated by profits? You expect IPL to invest millions just for their passion?
Lol... you are getting personal, why?? You don't know anything about me, yet you make the presumption I am younger than you? That's childish..
They have no obligation to explain to you with any further detail why they are backing out of doing this event or any other one for that matter. I understand you are upset about the cancellation but you need to just get over it.
You sir, are correct! They have no obligation what-so-ever. In turn, that may piss some people off, or at the least, lose faith in their organization. Which, I am, and have. Where you are wrong is that I need to get over it. It's a free world (well most parts) and I'm allowed to express my opinion. Don't take that away from me. I can just say, if you don't enjoy what I am saying, just get over it. That's rude, so I won't.
Of course people are gonna lose faith in them and that's expected. All I've seen you do is type out these tinfoil hat theories over this when you don't even have all the facts. You readily admit you aren't gonna get them yet here you are. Did you really expect to be coddled when you typed all that garbage in this thread?
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