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Can't believe this took so long.
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I wonder is it going to be a buyer specifically or will it just end up that the staff finds homes eventually in other places. I loved what IPL did for the past few years its sad to see it all ending.
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On March 05 2013 13:10 MrBitter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 12:50 Defacer wrote:On March 05 2013 12:40 recklessfire wrote:On March 05 2013 12:37 Defacer wrote:On March 05 2013 12:36 forumtext wrote:
Does Blizzard still have a 50% tournament tax rate or has that changed? *vomits in mouth * 50%!?!? Really? lol its supposed to be like a big % of ad revenue i think? i think sundance touched on that number, but i dont recall it being as high as 50% If I were Sundance and had to fork over 50% of my ad revenue to Blizzard I would probably start a totally different business ... At least now I know why the early SC2 tournies at MLG only had a couple of benches for their audience.  For as long as I've been doing work in eSports, Blizzard has never taxed tournies like this, and in fact, are more likely to help support events.
Well that's a relief. Taxing anyone that promotes your product doesn't make a lick of sense.
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On March 05 2013 13:10 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 13:04 forumtext wrote:On March 05 2013 13:02 Assirra wrote:On March 05 2013 12:57 trifecta wrote:On March 05 2013 12:44 Canucklehead wrote:On March 05 2013 12:39 ETisME wrote:On March 05 2013 12:26 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
What is this sudden influx of SC2 hate? I thought this sort of behavior was burning out? Is it if your not first then you are ostracized leper in bowels of hell? Too many people being overly optimistic about esport and we all thought sc2 would be the next "bw". SC 2 is already more successful than bw. BW only succeeded in korea and there was no meaningful scene outside kr. SC 2 succeeded globally far more than bw did. True, but BW reached a mainstream critical mass in Korea that SC2 has not in either the east or west. BW reached a point where it could sustain itself in Korea for over a decade without the support (financial or otherwise) of Blizzard, foreign viewers, or widely available internet streaming. I just hope Starcraft, in any form, is able to sustain itself for the decade to come. That was all the luck in the world combined that tough. The game just being good was not all of it. Care to elaborate how BW got lucky? Korea was in a recession. BW was currently the big game of the time. PC Bangs were cheap sources of entertainment in Korea, especially important because of said recession. BW could be installed onto every machine in a PC Bang without requiring more than one copy (as long as no BNet), so it was extremely cheap for businesses. End result was a massive percentage of a population playing/knowing about BW. And that's not including the growth of the tournament scene. This is all extremely well documented, so if you want to look it up, go right ahead.
We are in a world recession atm.
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Feels like IPL is done. This confirms to me that j2global does not what ipl at all, and after this cancellation I doubt a buyer will appear anymore.
Feel really bad for the IPL staff. Sure a few of them may go to IGN, but seeing as IGN has to make staff cuts themselves I get the feeling most will be laid off. From the outside looking in, they had a really good people. Sad day indeed.
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ah shit :/ IPL was stacked with many of my favotite players 
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On March 05 2013 13:08 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 13:04 forumtext wrote:On March 05 2013 13:02 Assirra wrote:On March 05 2013 12:57 trifecta wrote:On March 05 2013 12:44 Canucklehead wrote:On March 05 2013 12:39 ETisME wrote:On March 05 2013 12:26 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
What is this sudden influx of SC2 hate? I thought this sort of behavior was burning out? Is it if your not first then you are ostracized leper in bowels of hell? Too many people being overly optimistic about esport and we all thought sc2 would be the next "bw". SC 2 is already more successful than bw. BW only succeeded in korea and there was no meaningful scene outside kr. SC 2 succeeded globally far more than bw did. True, but BW reached a mainstream critical mass in Korea that SC2 has not in either the east or west. BW reached a point where it could sustain itself in Korea for over a decade without the support (financial or otherwise) of Blizzard, foreign viewers, or widely available internet streaming. I just hope Starcraft, in any form, is able to sustain itself for the decade to come. That was all the luck in the world combined that tough. The game just being good was not all of it. Care to elaborate how BW got lucky? It hit at the perfect time in Koreas industrialization developement. Kids suddenly had access to cheap internew and cheap computers for the first time in their history. BW was free for all respective purpose's so there was no barrier of entry. It was a good game at a good time and it just exploded in korea. Real sad that IPL ended like this, would have been much better if they didn't annouce ipl6 at all.
And we have more kids with computer today than ever. The world is also much more industrialized.
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On March 05 2013 09:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
So what of IPL if they can't find a buyer?
You'd assume either they try to split off find sponsors and go independent (sorta like an NASL) or poof?
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On March 05 2013 13:04 forumtext wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 13:02 Assirra wrote:On March 05 2013 12:57 trifecta wrote:On March 05 2013 12:44 Canucklehead wrote:On March 05 2013 12:39 ETisME wrote:On March 05 2013 12:26 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
What is this sudden influx of SC2 hate? I thought this sort of behavior was burning out? Is it if your not first then you are ostracized leper in bowels of hell? Too many people being overly optimistic about esport and we all thought sc2 would be the next "bw". SC 2 is already more successful than bw. BW only succeeded in korea and there was no meaningful scene outside kr. SC 2 succeeded globally far more than bw did. True, but BW reached a mainstream critical mass in Korea that SC2 has not in either the east or west. BW reached a point where it could sustain itself in Korea for over a decade without the support (financial or otherwise) of Blizzard, foreign viewers, or widely available internet streaming. I just hope Starcraft, in any form, is able to sustain itself for the decade to come. That was all the luck in the world combined that tough. The game just being good was not all of it. Care to elaborate how BW got lucky?
OK I got the answer: + Show Spoiler +BW had no real competition those days?
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I do hope Kevin Knocke stays in the scene, he may be good in another game too but really love his work. Kibblez is also good. Knocke though I could see duoing with Frodan in NASL since the Frotorp doesn't seem to be happening.
Gretorp and Kibbelz would be great on Proleague HotS edition I could see him replacing SNM who is terrible, sorry but its my opinion. Or Gretorp would be a good independent I actually enjoy his interviews he would be a great host for a SC2 tournament sitting on a couch and chatting.
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On March 05 2013 13:11 neoghaleon55 wrote:
#saveEsports!
Better still, support sc2 and purchase a GSL/PL/IEM subscription!
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On March 05 2013 13:38 forumtext wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 13:08 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2013 13:04 forumtext wrote:On March 05 2013 13:02 Assirra wrote:On March 05 2013 12:57 trifecta wrote:On March 05 2013 12:44 Canucklehead wrote:On March 05 2013 12:39 ETisME wrote:On March 05 2013 12:26 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
What is this sudden influx of SC2 hate? I thought this sort of behavior was burning out? Is it if your not first then you are ostracized leper in bowels of hell? Too many people being overly optimistic about esport and we all thought sc2 would be the next "bw". SC 2 is already more successful than bw. BW only succeeded in korea and there was no meaningful scene outside kr. SC 2 succeeded globally far more than bw did. True, but BW reached a mainstream critical mass in Korea that SC2 has not in either the east or west. BW reached a point where it could sustain itself in Korea for over a decade without the support (financial or otherwise) of Blizzard, foreign viewers, or widely available internet streaming. I just hope Starcraft, in any form, is able to sustain itself for the decade to come. That was all the luck in the world combined that tough. The game just being good was not all of it. Care to elaborate how BW got lucky? It hit at the perfect time in Koreas industrialization developement. Kids suddenly had access to cheap internew and cheap computers for the first time in their history. BW was free for all respective purpose's so there was no barrier of entry. It was a good game at a good time and it just exploded in korea. Real sad that IPL ended like this, would have been much better if they didn't annouce ipl6 at all. And we have more kids with computer today than ever. The world is also much more industrialized.
true that, but these korean kids at the time didn't have to pay $50ish bucks for star1 and bw to play it. Plus the idea of going to a lan with a bunch of your friends everyday after school to play some bw was a pretty damn fun thing to do.
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On March 05 2013 13:42 recklessfire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 13:38 forumtext wrote:On March 05 2013 13:08 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2013 13:04 forumtext wrote:On March 05 2013 13:02 Assirra wrote:On March 05 2013 12:57 trifecta wrote:On March 05 2013 12:44 Canucklehead wrote:On March 05 2013 12:39 ETisME wrote:On March 05 2013 12:26 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
What is this sudden influx of SC2 hate? I thought this sort of behavior was burning out? Is it if your not first then you are ostracized leper in bowels of hell? Too many people being overly optimistic about esport and we all thought sc2 would be the next "bw". SC 2 is already more successful than bw. BW only succeeded in korea and there was no meaningful scene outside kr. SC 2 succeeded globally far more than bw did. True, but BW reached a mainstream critical mass in Korea that SC2 has not in either the east or west. BW reached a point where it could sustain itself in Korea for over a decade without the support (financial or otherwise) of Blizzard, foreign viewers, or widely available internet streaming. I just hope Starcraft, in any form, is able to sustain itself for the decade to come. That was all the luck in the world combined that tough. The game just being good was not all of it. Care to elaborate how BW got lucky? It hit at the perfect time in Koreas industrialization developement. Kids suddenly had access to cheap internew and cheap computers for the first time in their history. BW was free for all respective purpose's so there was no barrier of entry. It was a good game at a good time and it just exploded in korea. Real sad that IPL ended like this, would have been much better if they didn't annouce ipl6 at all. And we have more kids with computer today than ever. The world is also much more industrialized. true that, but these korean kids at the time didn't have to pay $50ish bucks for star1 and bw to play it. Plus the idea of going to a lan with a bunch of your friends everyday after school to play some bw was a pretty damn fun thing to do.
I have a friend who grew up in korea during BW prime. I remember he told me about how new computers bought from a store would come with a copy of BW / BW already installed on it. BW was a good product that came out at the right time in korea.
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i really thought riot+blizz would work together to keep it afloat.
Ha who am I kidding
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On March 05 2013 13:44 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 13:42 recklessfire wrote:On March 05 2013 13:38 forumtext wrote:On March 05 2013 13:08 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2013 13:04 forumtext wrote:On March 05 2013 13:02 Assirra wrote:On March 05 2013 12:57 trifecta wrote:On March 05 2013 12:44 Canucklehead wrote:On March 05 2013 12:39 ETisME wrote:On March 05 2013 12:26 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
What is this sudden influx of SC2 hate? I thought this sort of behavior was burning out? Is it if your not first then you are ostracized leper in bowels of hell? Too many people being overly optimistic about esport and we all thought sc2 would be the next "bw". SC 2 is already more successful than bw. BW only succeeded in korea and there was no meaningful scene outside kr. SC 2 succeeded globally far more than bw did. True, but BW reached a mainstream critical mass in Korea that SC2 has not in either the east or west. BW reached a point where it could sustain itself in Korea for over a decade without the support (financial or otherwise) of Blizzard, foreign viewers, or widely available internet streaming. I just hope Starcraft, in any form, is able to sustain itself for the decade to come. That was all the luck in the world combined that tough. The game just being good was not all of it. Care to elaborate how BW got lucky? It hit at the perfect time in Koreas industrialization developement. Kids suddenly had access to cheap internew and cheap computers for the first time in their history. BW was free for all respective purpose's so there was no barrier of entry. It was a good game at a good time and it just exploded in korea. Real sad that IPL ended like this, would have been much better if they didn't annouce ipl6 at all. And we have more kids with computer today than ever. The world is also much more industrialized. true that, but these korean kids at the time didn't have to pay $50ish bucks for star1 and bw to play it. Plus the idea of going to a lan with a bunch of your friends everyday after school to play some bw was a pretty damn fun thing to do. I have a friend who grew up in korea during BW prime. I remember he told me about how new computers bought from a store would come with a copy of BW / BW already installed on it. BW was a good product that came out at the right time in korea.
There is also much more legitmate competition in the competitive gaming scene from other games now compared to when BW was in its early years. Peoples attention spans are split amongst various games and its rare for a gamer to stick with a single game competitively through thick and thin.
When it is all sunshine and rainbows I feel like this community acts like it can take on the world, but the sight of the first cloud in the sky or rain drop and its considered a sign of the end times.
Like I said, for a lot of people it seem like if your not first your an ostracized leper burning in the bowels of hell.
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On March 05 2013 13:42 forumtext wrote:Better still, support sc2 and purchase a GSL/PL/IEM subscription!
most of us already do...
you know who else I subscribed to...IPL...
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That's really too bad Especially for those who lost money on this trip.
And this is now one fewer opportunity for players to travel to America and make a name for themselves.
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Us Vegas locals are especially bummed It was nice having a big esports event in our home time while it lasted I suppose.
I'm sure the guys at IPL did all they could to keep the event afloat, but this cancelation is going to be a big issue if they haven't already found a buyer. The last four days leading up to this has generated enough bad press and bad rep as it is.
I'm really hoping IPL will be able to spring back up from this, but it will likely be a long recovery if any.
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OMG. Does anyone know if they're going to keep their operations going until they find a buyer? I love me some IPL fight club. =(
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On March 05 2013 14:03 chaos021 wrote:
OMG. Does anyone know if they're going to keep their operations going until they find a buyer? I love me some IPL fight club. =(
So Polt gets to keep his title indefinitely...
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