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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
On March 05 2013 09:12 blade55555 wrote: Took them forever to nerf terran in wol to at the beginning  .And then after that year for a year and a half straight it was "smash smash smash smash, nerf nerf nerf nerf" so, this is odd. | ||
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Iranon
United States983 Posts
I didn't say it was a bad thing -- I explicity said "whether or not you think it's too strong..." for that reason. I think it's too early to call whether or not changes to afterburners are needed. I was responding to Cyro, whose statement that a cooldown was a "trade off" is just factually inaccurate. | ||
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Sc2zero7
United States574 Posts
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GorGor
78 Posts
On March 05 2013 09:12 SoOJuuu wrote: its not that speedvacs are OP, the fact that it doesnt use energy does. It would be like stim without the damage.... no risk to not use it once again blizzard doesnt understand. [insert idra past comment with the tire iron] Wtf does that even mean "no risk to not use it?" The ability has a cooldown, therefore if you use the ability at one point you lose the opportunity to use it later until it is off of cooldown. Teching to medivacs and choosing to go for drops is a risk in and of itself. Splitting up your army is another risk. The only unit I can think of that has no risk involved is the queen. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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qGSkipper
United States37 Posts
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
Apart from that, damn reasonable approach by Blizzard Let's wait and see if IEM shows some major imbalances of VRs and Speedyvacs, or new ones with imba Muta games  | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
On March 05 2013 10:26 Tachion wrote: It would be more exciting to watch if there was a (energy) cost associated with it, so you could see the decision making that goes into the boosts. What kind of decision making would that be? "Oh I'd better hope that they don't scout my medivac on the way, because then if I burn Boosters to make my drop work then it will be impotent, as even the most basic defenses will kill my attacking units without medivac support"? or "Oh I'd better hope that they don't scout my medivac on the way, because then if I burn Boosters to try and evade their units and retreat to my defenses then I will have been punished for trying to harass by making my Medivacs less effective for a period of time against oncoming attacks"? Either way, if an energy cost is introduced and a Terran uses Afterburners he loses. Blizzard wants to promote drop play, multitasking, and less deathballs: not punish it by rendering units impotent if Terran attempts drop harass and is scouted. There are far more effective anti-air and anti-drop options in HOTS than there were in WOL, including better Stargate play and free halucinations for scouting, Widow Mines and Mutalisks; We don't need to neuter drop play even further than it already is by making it a lose/lose situation for the Terran to even try when both Protoss and Zerg have the exact same and sometimes better options to scout it ahead of time or while in flight. | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
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FrozenProbe
Italy276 Posts
On March 05 2013 09:10 forsooth wrote: Blizzard not in a hurry to nerf Terran for once? This is unprecedented. No, they hate zergs like all of us. It's justice time | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
I agree with their approach but I don't think their analysis is without fault. edit: zomg commas | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On March 05 2013 10:03 Iranon wrote: Having medivacs that are faster than normal sometimes is strictly better than medivacs that are always normal speed. I don't think you understand what a trade-off is. Medivacs that are faster than normal some of the time are certainly worse than medivacs that can be faster than normal on-demand anytime you want, sure, but that's completely beside the point. It's an ability with no drawbacks. Whether or not you think it's too strong, you can't deny that fact. To make it even clearer, suppose the afterburners was a passive ability that just triggered on its own, completely at random and out of your control every so often. Those erratic medivacs are clearly worse than the current ones, but are just as clearly better than Wings of Liberty medivacs, albeit better in awkward ways. Where is the drawback to warpgate? | ||
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Ldawg
United States328 Posts
One strategy I saw almost every PvT was the widow mine rush. The widow mines were in my base and buried before I had an army to kill them or detection to see them. So I felt like I had to open early forge or robo, which seemed like the same narrow build order Protoss had against Terran in WoL. I liked the msc having detection because I felt I had the option to go twilight tech without the huge risk. Then again my play was in Plat/Dia. so maybe this isn't an issue for everyone. The few games against Terran when they didn't open this way were very entertaining. | ||
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SolidMoose
United States1240 Posts
On March 05 2013 09:12 SoOJuuu wrote: its not that speedvacs are OP, the fact that it doesnt use energy does. It would be like stim without the damage.... no risk to not use it once again blizzard doesnt understand. [insert idra past comment with the tire iron] Yes there's a risk to use it. It has a cooldown. If you use it to get in, you don't have it to get out. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
On March 05 2013 09:21 opterown wrote: cue forum warriors balance whining and reverse-balance whining! haha i think it is too early to say anything, myself Why aren't you politically correct. | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
if they decide: okay, in WOL there was too much deathball play because the drops were getting shut down really hard once blink or mutas were out. why are we complaining about it before even a few months have gone by on the patch........? what do we want? deathballs again? That's the only conclusion i can draw from some of these posts. What is so difficult about splitting your army to deal with 8 or 16 supply of units + a medivac? it's faster yes, so it's punishing to people who lump everything into one group and expect to be able to deflect harass at all their bases, but it's still the same units in the medivacs, and the dynamic is the same. Terran split his army, pick one and crush it or split and defend. Nothing has changed except that now you can't rely on mutas or blink to instagib every dropship i will admit medivacs now feel like a strong unit to have - but with this came easier defense opportunities for the other races.. i find it amazing that people complain about these medivac drops when a single HT can feedback all the incoming medivacs, potentially killing some if they have 3/4s ~+ energy and then storm + warpin a few units there to defend, or when mutalisks are faster, hydras are actually viable so you can position them to target medis as they come in (they SHRED them) and zerglings are still fast enough to defend things you see coming even if its only a few seconds before.. | ||
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BlackPride
United States186 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Whether it's too powerful or not I can't really say, but let's see it simply as a new unit like the reaper and the void ray, not like a "faster medivac that was meant to have a drawback but doesn't". Hydralisks got a speed upgrade, they're now faster than in WoL. WHERE'S THE FUCKING DRAWBACK? Well no need, it's called a buff. My dear Zerg friends, I didn't see you wondering where was the drawback when the queen got a range +2 buff, did I? | ||
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nomyx
United States2205 Posts
Also, I would love scourge to be added for zerg. Would add a lot of micro potential for SC2, which is always good. Too bad it's too late for them to add it. | ||
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