Situation Report: HoTS Balance - Page 42

On March 22 2013 05:27 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
Agreed with the disagreement with Avilo's statement. Dude says "T have only 1 thing to block drops."

-Turrets
-Planetary(ok this is for 4th base+ but still means you don't need as much army as you would to guard a orbital).
-Widow Mines(2 supply for the chance to instakill 1 medivac and do heavy damage to others/singlehandedly kill marine squads off with 1 shot)
-Tanks(As mech I always used to leave 1 tank per base anyways because you should be spreading tanks in order to cover 3 bases, even in WoL with good turret rings a few units could get out and this would clean them up along with reinforcements/a few helions).
-Sensor towers(they wont be very good drops if you can get 10-20 seconds of warning).
-Vikings(You should be building vikings with mech anyways. firstly so that they dont just doomdrop marauders on your tanks and GG you lose ala boxer vs taeja or ganzi. secondly for tank vision and to keep the medivac count down if he is sloppy; either way you are going to kill medis or he is going to lose marines chasing you off into tank range. Third reason is anti-drop.)

A combination of these things is the answer, not "its impossible they always get through". yes 6 medivacs may be able to clear a turret ring but if they had vikings picking at them to weaken em, a tank+helions for fighting with maybe 1-2 widow mines per base, and a sensor tower so you can see em coming? Thats a cost-inefficient drop IMO.

And TBH I think you should be able to punish a meching Terran easier than in WoL. Too many times in my own games I would find that they have 3 vikings patrolling+ a couple good turret placements and any drops are WAYYY too in-efficient, and then he would max out on 3 bases and it was GG. Now you have a higher likelyhood to break the meching player's production IF HE IS UNPREPARED . Even in TvZ/TvP I felt like this, like your opponent had to be worse/unprepared for drops to be successful, because a good player won't respond to pressure on the other side of the map by weakining his base defences unless it genuinely is desperate. If anything this just means Terran has to split better and be prepared like Z/P have to against us already, which only leads to better games. If your really going to cry because a 6 medivac doom drop flies over 2-3 turrets with minimal losses....god help us all.

Remember as mech its not like you need 150 food in your deathball to walk around the map harassing. You should primarily be playing defensive while using helions, hellbat and mine drops, and even stuff like viking/banshee off-timings to apply pressure. So you really shouldn't have a "ball" that is going to miss those extra units. Even when you do push out, a smart mech player should know that as long as you dont put yourself in a position to where your opponent is hitting from 2+ angles with a huge concave, your main army with ups will trade so cost-efficiently that a straight up fight is nigh-on impossible for the bio player unless he can force the engagement in the optimal position. So it should be obvious strategic logic "hes going to want to basetrade me, so his main army wont be as strong, so i can afford to split my army in order to prevent one of the ways he can beat me(backstabs)."

I think alot of players get caught up in the "i have 200/200 with 2-2, i should F2 towards the opponent so i can crush him". For those of you who played baseball, you know that a common way for errors is the kid who fields the ground ball with plenty of time to get it to 1st but tries to get the guy out by a mile and misses the throw, when he could have taken the time to calmly throw the ball. You only need to get em out by a fraction, inch or a mile winning is winning!

And finally; Avilo dude. Your a progamer apparently. Why are you on these forums whining constantly about the issues you find? If me and a bunch of other mid-master players are able to think up these solutions that work for usI don't see how you could not have considered them. I find it hard to believe that what works pretty good for masters Terrans is unviable for a GM Terran. If anything your more likely to succeed with it because your "smarter" GM player will have considered the points in my last sentence and decided a backstab is the best tactic rather than a master T who will just desperation attack your army. I agreed with a lot of the stuff you used to say about BL/infestor and also about the Raven but this argument I've read in this thread is ridiculous.

On March 22 2013 06:23 Sandermatt wrote:
I would really prefer medivacs boost to be energy based. Having cooldown abilities on an energy based units just seems strange.

On March 22 2013 05:41 Cloak wrote:


You forgot Terran's own defensive Medivacs are just as nimble as the offensive Medivacs.

On March 22 2013 06:29 TimENT wrote:

5. Do something about Corruptors. Reason: they are so boring. Make them more anti muta for ZvZ

On March 22 2013 07:38 eviltomahawk wrote:

Well, Corruptors already have their bonus against massive, which makes them rather important in countering stuff like capital ships and Colossi. I don't recall any units having multiple damage bonuses, and I think removing their bonus damage against massive leaves a rather glaring hole in Zerg's anti-air capabilities.

On March 22 2013 05:27 Fjodorov wrote:
All medivacs need is a longer CD on the boost. It is that simple. Make sure you have to decide before you go in with your doom drop if you want to use your boost to get in fast or to get out fast. That way it is up to the player and about decision making. I dont like the energy idea because that way it becomes more random and maybe you have energy left, maybe you dont. If you know what i mean ^^

On March 22 2013 08:14 RevTiberius wrote:
I know this is meant to make the game better, but forcing every m/u into hyper aggressive game play is not progress in my opinion

On March 22 2013 08:14 RevTiberius wrote:
I know this is meant to make the game better, but forcing every m/u into hyper aggressive game play is not progress in my opinion

On March 22 2013 08:12 eviltomahawk wrote:

Oh yes, I completely forgot about WoL Void Rays, although it was a 20% bonus against massive on top of the bonus against armored, with all massive units already being armored. However, a bonus against both light and massive seems kinda wonky.

On March 22 2013 06:23 Sandermatt wrote:
I would really prefer medivacs boost to be energy based. Having cooldown abilities on an energy based units just seems strange.

On March 22 2013 09:04 Dalavita wrote:


Hyper aggressive play that transitions into the lategame is actually the perfect type of progress in my opinion.

All the kinds of harasses I've seen so far (with the possible exception of mass oracle?) doesn't have the potential to end the game unless one person screws up or there's a big skill difference, but it still gives plenty of opportunities to come out with good chunks of damage if you play right. Sounds good to me.

On March 22 2013 09:43 NAPoleonSC wrote:


It's great that HotS let each race have a chance to be more active, but the problem I see is that hyper aggression is now not an option, but a do or die; forcing it just loses the strategical depth imo.