Coca and Puzzle return to SC2 (?)

On March 03 2013 11:56 ffadicted wrote:


Yup, he was fantastic until that awful awful awful awful awful awful decision by SlayerS/GSL to kick him out of Code S. Would love to have him back

On March 03 2013 12:01 opterown wrote:
the new elephant in the room, low tier lol players switch to sc2 and dominate, etc

oh wait...

haha jokes aside, glad to have them back. nsh or prime would be nice

On March 03 2013 12:02 Fionn wrote:
Coca getting banned from that season of Code S probably won jjakji a championship. Still funny.

On March 03 2013 11:50 Meteora.GB wrote:
It'd be great to have them back. I don't think any of the current SC2 players who switched over to League of Legends have gone "pro" and played in the OSL Champions.

On March 03 2013 12:09 bo1b wrote:
Coca had an absolutely ridiculous zvp record at one point right?

On March 03 2013 12:11 PhoenixVoid wrote:

Yeah he was known as a ZvP expert at one time.

On March 03 2013 12:18 Phyrigian wrote:
or perhaps theyre playing in their own time, for you know, fun?

On March 03 2013 11:56 ffadicted wrote:


Yup, he was fantastic until that awful awful awful awful awful awful decision by SlayerS/GSL to kick him out of Code S. Would love to have him back

On March 03 2013 12:07 Nedved wrote:
Both were good, great at times, Coca was "great" probably longer than Puzzle but i swear sometimes watching Puzzle play was amazing, i thought he'd replace MC

On March 03 2013 11:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
I hope they come back. CoCaPrime and PuzzlePrime have a nice ring

On March 03 2013 12:03 Talack wrote:


It is "incredibly" hard to be a LoL pro since you are not alone. You need so much team synergy and that takes a long time to build up. You can't just walk into an event like with sc2 and show results you need to do a very long process and assemble a team etc etc...Just to break out as a LoL pro.

team games are hard ><

On March 03 2013 11:58 sitromit wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if they can come back after 6 months of not playing the game.

On March 03 2013 13:37 Seeker wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE OFFICIAL COMEBACK! PLEASE!!!

My favorite SlayerS players along with MMA.

On March 03 2013 13:38 Csong wrote:
guess they couldnt make it big in league like they thought they would

On March 03 2013 12:26 Assirra wrote:

It was his own awful awful awful awful decision to do dumb stuff tough...

On March 03 2013 13:10 S_treaks wrote:

CoCa's done it before...

On March 03 2013 13:10 Arceus wrote:
while I think Puzzle was vastly overrated, CoCa had the potential of a championship-contender player, the same aura around Symbol or Life when they first emerged.

On March 03 2013 11:51 johnny123 wrote:
really dont care, the fact that they wanted to switch shows the interest will only be temporary. They will leave again,maybe for world of tanks next time.

On March 03 2013 14:19 Inzan1ty wrote:


well, problem is we got enough “up and coming Zerg Bonjwa“ by now >.>

But you are right Puzzle was more like Code A material, similar to YuGiOh (both would shine only on rare ocassions)

On March 03 2013 14:38 S_SienZ wrote:

wut?

Puzzle was SlayerS's Ace when MMA wasn't pulling his weight and got them to the GSTL finals.

On March 03 2013 14:38 S_SienZ wrote:

wut?

Puzzle was SlayerS's Ace when MMA wasn't pulling his weight and got them to the GSTL finals.

On March 03 2013 14:46 heyoka wrote:
We should make them beg for mercy.

On March 03 2013 15:00 therabit wrote:
I doubt they would go to axiom consider the tension between players at Slayers. If I remember correctly, they and a bunch of new players were the one that want to play after a bunch of the old guys stop wanting to do GSTL. Also Cella not with axiom-acer is another sign that there's still tension.

On March 03 2013 15:31 MarkCJ wrote:
Ill never look at them the same way if they came back..

On March 03 2013 11:51 johnny123 wrote:
really dont care, the fact that they wanted to switch shows the interest will only be temporary. They will leave again,maybe for world of tanks next time.

On March 03 2013 15:13 MCXD wrote:


I would think it very likely there would be tension between them and the other ESF teams too, though (bar perhaps AZUBU). It's incredibly likely they'll just join KeSPA teams as B-teamers and fade into obscurity, unless they want to risk it with a foreign team.

On March 03 2013 12:02 Fionn wrote:
Coca getting banned from that season of Code S probably won jjakji a championship. Still funny.

On March 03 2013 14:08 CygnusAres wrote:
CoCa, please come back!

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 03 2013 17:55 Lysanias wrote:
The grass is not always greener on the other side huh.

With so many people playing LoL i can't imagine it's easy to get to become a pro player and make a living. (even though any one who does not like LoL say's the game is easy ofc)

I do hope CoCa comes back, always found him a talented zerg player.

On March 03 2013 18:00 Kuni wrote:


With a game being very easy, it just makes it harder to stand out from the rest of the players, because even if you're good, there is tons of other players, which are just as good as you.

On March 03 2013 18:07 PVJ wrote:
At one point when Puzzle won Code A I thought he's gonna be the new MC. Then I felt that they are really "weak" so to say, because switched without trying too hard to compete with KeSPA.

Hopefully they'll try harder now.

On March 03 2013 12:11 PhoenixVoid wrote:

Yeah he was known as a ZvP expert at one time.

On March 03 2013 18:39 Comogury wrote:

that's definietly not the case. the argument is so overplayed and stupid. if you are very good, people will take notice as long as you are at a top of some kind of ladder or constantly play with really good players.

it's the same in sc2. if you are actually good, people will give you some attention. humans overall have a very good eye for talent and know trash when they see it, which is why some top ladder players are pretty much ignored.

On March 03 2013 12:00 Msr wrote:


slayers 100% ruined arguably the top zerg at the time. Atleast top zvp iirc.

On March 03 2013 18:00 Kuni wrote:


With a game being very easy, it just makes it harder to stand out from the rest of the players, because even if you're good, there is tons of other players, which are just as good as you.

On March 03 2013 17:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:

Oh please.

No fucking way CoCa ZvT was on JJakji level at that time.

On March 03 2013 18:00 Kuni wrote:


With a game being very easy, it just makes it harder to stand out from the rest of the players, because even if you're good, there is tons of other players, which are just as good as you.

On March 03 2013 23:20 Zealously wrote:


It's not an unreasonable thing to say. Puzzle showed great promise, and he came close to realising his potential a bunch of times. He wouldn't be Parting/Squirtle a week after a comeback, but he definetly could be eventually.

And this is coming from someone who is a fan of both.

On March 03 2013 11:56 ffadicted wrote:


Yup, he was fantastic until that awful awful awful awful awful awful decision by SlayerS/GSL to kick him out of Code S. Would love to have him back

On March 04 2013 04:59 Dodgin wrote:
Puzzle tweeted for the first time since August 2012, seems confirmed for him at least.

https://twitter.com/SlayerSPuzzle/status/308304081733185536

On March 04 2013 05:03 Black Gun wrote:
sc2 undeniably dying....

great to see them come back. maybe LoL isnt the holy grail of mediocre wannabe-progamers after all...

On March 04 2013 01:08 c0ldfusion wrote:
I'm thinking Acer probably for these guys

On March 04 2013 00:24 DavoS wrote:


It was only cuz CoCa made that awful awful awful awful awful awful decision to fix a televised match IN FRONT OF THE OFFICIALS AND VIEWERS

On March 04 2013 05:23 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Might be unrelated or a reference to someone else, but Leenock wrote on his Facebook "승철이 오랜만에 놀러옴ㅋㅋ" which translates to "It's been a long time since you played Seung-Chul (laughs)". Now, sC's name is Kim Seung-Chul, and with CoCa and Puzzle coming from LoL, maybe they are having a mass migration back to SC2 for HotS. And looking at Liquipedia, there is no other SC2 pro named Seung-Chul from my searches, so it could be sC.

Now, this could be some personal friend of Leenock in something unrelated to SC2, but the connection is there, and the timing works out well.

On March 04 2013 05:23 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Might be unrelated or a reference to someone else, but Leenock wrote on his Facebook "승철이 오랜만에 놀러옴ㅋㅋ" which translates to "It's been a long time since you played Seung-Chul (laughs)". Now, sC's name is Kim Seung-Chul, and with CoCa and Puzzle coming from LoL, maybe they are having a mass migration back to SC2 for HotS. And looking at Liquipedia, there is no other SC2 pro named Seung-Chul from my searches, so it could be sC.

Now, this could be some personal friend of Leenock in something unrelated to SC2, but the connection is there, and the timing works out well.

On March 04 2013 05:26 Fusilero wrote:

With this potential mass return I wonder where's inori we never settled the question, who would win in a 1v1 inori or J?

On March 04 2013 05:03 Black Gun wrote:
sc2 undeniably dying....

great to see them come back. maybe LoL isnt the holy grail of mediocre wannabe-progamers after all...

On March 04 2013 05:49 RagequitBM wrote:


A korean lolplayer that was asked about the SC2 players actually elaborated on why none of them are successful.

They have a 1v1 mindset, and because of that have a huge difficulty transitioning to League. No matter how much LoL haters want to say it's an easy game. If it was, you'd see more people able to compete on the pro level.

I always liked Puzzle's ID. He seems like a cool guy.

On March 04 2013 05:53 Neurosis wrote:


I think that just shows that LoL is harder than SC2

On March 04 2013 05:49 RagequitBM wrote:


A korean lolplayer that was asked about the SC2 players actually elaborated on why none of them are successful.

They have a 1v1 mindset, and because of that have a huge difficulty transitioning to League. No matter how much LoL haters want to say it's an easy game. If it was, you'd see more people able to compete on the pro level.

I always liked Puzzle's ID. He seems like a cool guy.

On March 04 2013 05:53 Neurosis wrote:


I think that just shows that LoL is harder than SC2

On March 04 2013 05:53 Neurosis wrote:


I think that just shows that LoL is harder than SC2

On March 04 2013 05:15 opterown wrote:

nope

On March 04 2013 06:19 Shellshock1122 wrote:

let someone tell the story. It's always good to hear what iteration it's on

On March 04 2013 06:23 Fusilero wrote:

I heard coca burnt an orphanage and byun blew up a hospital after the match.

On March 03 2013 23:38 Lysanias wrote:


Could, would, should etc that really does not say anything. Consistancy is what you want of a player not a couple of good games.
I never seen his play at the lvl of Parting/Squirtle, he was good and with potential no doubt but he has not proven to be on the same level as the other guys.

I agree with the guy above, if you retire already in fear of Kespa players your mentality is not in a right place and you never get at the top.

On March 04 2013 06:19 Shellshock1122 wrote:

let someone tell the story. It's always good to hear what iteration it's on

On March 03 2013 11:56 ffadicted wrote:


Yup, he was fantastic until that awful awful awful awful awful awful decision by SlayerS/GSL to kick him out of Code S. Would love to have him back

On March 03 2013 11:56 ffadicted wrote:


Yup, he was fantastic until that awful awful awful awful awful awful decision by SlayerS/GSL to kick him out of Code S. Would love to have him back

On March 04 2013 06:19 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Comparing LoL to SC2 is like comparing a sedan to a van. Both have similar functions as vehicles (or as strategy games), but have different functions as a whole. A sedan is utilized for quick and easy travel, often carrying no more than four people (just like StarCraft), but built for a person or a rider. A van on the other hand is almost entirely designed to carry multiple people, not just a single person. So comparing the two is ridiculous in some ways because it becomes another "Apple vs Orange" dilemma that doesn't give an accurate solution.

On March 03 2013 12:01 opterown wrote:
the new elephant in the room, low tier lol players switch to sc2 and dominate, etc

oh wait...

haha jokes aside, glad to have them back. nsh or prime would be nice

On March 04 2013 07:57 Walnuts wrote:

It's interesting that you should say that, because it seems to me that every "SC2 is a better/harder/more competitive/has more viewers esport than LoL" conversation is brought about by a troll saying that LoL is better... on a starcraft forum. Most people seem not to care untill they are challenged.

On March 04 2013 07:57 Walnuts wrote:

It's interesting that you should say that, because it seems to me that every "SC2 is a better/harder/more competitive/has more viewers esport than LoL" conversation is brought about by a troll saying that LoL is better... on a starcraft forum. Most people seem not to care untill they are challenged.

On March 03 2013 12:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:

Tell your boy Gerrard to sign them

On March 04 2013 09:03 14fighter wrote:

EG.CoCa.RC EG.Puzzle.RC :D

On March 04 2013 11:10 KJDog wrote:
Please be true. Coca was one of the only zergs I liked watching and Puzzle was just a beast.

On March 04 2013 11:13 tshi wrote:

I know! And they might join Slayers2/Axiom as well! I'm sure playing LoL only helped with their SC2 skills.

long time no see guys

On March 04 2013 11:13 tshi wrote:

I know! And they might join Slayers2/Axiom as well! I'm sure playing LoL only helped with their SC2 skills.

On March 04 2013 05:49 RagequitBM wrote:


A korean lolplayer that was asked about the SC2 players actually elaborated on why none of them are successful.

They have a 1v1 mindset, and because of that have a huge difficulty transitioning to League. No matter how much LoL haters want to say it's an easy game. If it was, you'd see more people able to compete on the pro level.

I always liked Puzzle's ID. He seems like a cool guy.

On March 04 2013 12:38 teddyoojo wrote:
i dunno, egpuzzle sounds so right

On March 04 2013 15:00 ke_ivan wrote:
oh man oh man two of the better code s players... wonder if they will get past the elephants

On March 04 2013 15:00 ke_ivan wrote:
oh man oh man two of the better code s players... wonder if they will get past the elephants

On March 04 2013 20:14 revoN wrote:

They didn't the last time they were playing SC2 actively and KeSPA players are playing way better now. Puzzle even said that with all the elephants coming into view on the horizon he might quit SC2 altogether (which he did).

On March 05 2013 07:00 Wuster wrote:
I'm skeptical Coca can regain the form people in this thread seem to think he had. But we'll see, a lot will depend on where he ends up of course.

I'm more interested to see how Puzzle will do with some real Protoss teammates (sorry, Alicia didn't count, cuz he was pretty bad when Puzzle was doing well).

From what I recall, Puzzle had good micro and played about as standard as possible in all match-ups and was terrible at PvP, which to me screams he had no Protoss help.

On March 05 2013 07:04 Walnuts wrote:

I mean, Coca was Ro8 GSL and 2nd at an MLG along with an AK of Prime and almost all of his losses after he came back (preliminaries, online tournies) were from his weak ZvZ, and Puzzle was a Code A championand GSL Ro8, so they were both pretty good. Also, Puzzle had pretty good PvP earlier, but it became a weakness toward the end.

On March 05 2013 07:04 Bagration wrote:


I don't know what time you were talking about when Puzzle was doing well, but Alicia was on a hot streak the summer of 2012, making the finals of 3 premier tournaments, when Puzzle was killing the GSTL.

On March 05 2013 07:58 Wuster wrote:


After Coca came back he didn't really have a strong match-up either though. I said earlier in this thread I always saw Coca as a player who could contend if the brackets went his way, but I didn't think he was consistently good enough across all match-ups to be an obvious future champion (especially since Protoss were basically non-existent during Coca's peak). But I know a lot of people feel otherwise, so I'll agree to disagree =p.

I remember thinking he had good PvP until it basically cost him his Code S spot, then I looked at his record and don't remember anything really standing out other than a nice streak in his first Code A season. Either way, my impression is he just didn't have much help from other Protoss players towards the end and I always though someone with his micro shouldn't ever struggle the way he did (especially since he usually played standard).



I do remember Alicia's hot streak and maybe I'm underrating it too much. But I wasn't impressed from the actual quality of games, but I'll admit I watched less than half of them since they were pretty much all foreign events (another reason I might be underrating them).

On March 28 2013 11:36 Wombat_NI wrote:
I did a wee search for this, after I saw a player on Puzzle's ID dismantle various people pretty interesting.

Why is Coca so hyped vs Puzzle, who was pretty much showing good solid play until the day he left the scene, whereas Coca didn't really recapture his former heights. They're both potentially very good anyway.

I recall from Puzzle's stream when he was on Zenex that he had the most crisp mechanics out of any Protoss I've ever watched live, and I think that could positively mesh well with the new HoTS game.

On March 28 2013 11:36 Wombat_NI wrote:
I did a wee search for this, after I saw a player on Puzzle's ID dismantle various people pretty interesting.

Why is Coca so hyped vs Puzzle, who was pretty much showing good solid play until the day he left the scene, whereas Coca didn't really recapture his former heights. They're both potentially very good anyway.

I recall from Puzzle's stream when he was on Zenex that he had the most crisp mechanics out of any Protoss I've ever watched live, and I think that could positively mesh well with the new HoTS game.

On March 28 2013 11:44 canikizu wrote:

What I remember from Puzzle stream is that he usually play one game (10-15min) then afk for 30 min, then come back to play 1 more game, then afk for another 30 minutes lol.

On March 28 2013 11:44 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
CoCa is one of the great might-have-beens of eSports.