EPTIGN to "simplify, focus"; wants to sell IPL - Page 4
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 22 2013 06:11 NoGasfOu wrote: It's an observation. No need for facts. MLG was losing a ton of money and had to raise additional millions from investors. They had a thread about this in 2012. They made a risky investment by reaching some kind of deal with Kespa to get exclusive players' rights hoping to generate big bucks. Don't think that's going anywhere considering the amount of money they're spending on players' airplane tickets and hotel for the next event. You don't have to be very smart to know that GOM is losing foreign subscribers compare to the early days of 2010 and early 2011. They're moving to a new place and doing "MORE ESPORTS". I don't think they can survive just on SC2 alone. Sometimes you have to jump ship to survive. Did you see the "SCII Growth" infographic that was posted on TL a few days ago? You should take a look, it was very informative. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On February 22 2013 06:08 AnomalySC2 wrote: If SC2 wasn't dying, and in fact was growing, then IPL would be something IGN makes profit off of and they wouldn't sell it. Your post makes the exact opposite of sense. except IPL isnt just sc2. Its LoL, fighting games and shootmania. IGN was making a long term investment into esports with IPL. Then they got sold. Ziff Davis doesnt want to make that investment, but he does see money in it, which is why he is trying to sell it, rather than close it like Gamespy and 1UP | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On February 22 2013 06:11 NoGasfOu wrote: It's an observation. No need for facts. MLG was losing a ton of money and had to raise additional millions from investors. They had a thread about this in 2012. They made a risky investment by reaching some kind of deal with Kespa to get exclusive players' rights hoping to generate big bucks. Don't think that's going anywhere considering the amount of money they're spending on players' airplane tickets and hotel for the next event. You don't have to be very smart to know that GOM is losing foreign subscribers compare to the early days of 2010 and early 2011. They're moving to a new place and doing "MORE ESPORTS". I don't think they can survive just on SC2 alone. Sometimes you have to jump ship to survive. Perfect way to start a discussion | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On February 22 2013 06:08 AnomalySC2 wrote: If SC2 wasn't dying, and in fact was growing, then IPL would be something IGN makes profit off of and they wouldn't sell it. Your post makes the exact opposite of sense. Check your facts first please | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On February 22 2013 06:13 Dodgin wrote: IPL does League of Legends, does this also mean that League of Legends is dying? No, but do you see them dropping only the SC2 division and leaving LoL? | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On February 22 2013 06:16 AnomalySC2 wrote: No, but do you see them dropping only the SC2 division and leaving LoL? what? | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 22 2013 06:16 AnomalySC2 wrote: No, but do you see them dropping only the SC2 division and leaving LoL? If I'm understanding this correctly, IGN is dropping all of it. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On February 22 2013 06:11 NoGasfOu wrote: It's an observation. No need for facts. MLG was losing a ton of money and had to raise additional millions from investors. They had a thread about this in 2012. They made a risky investment by reaching some kind of deal with Kespa to get exclusive players' rights hoping to generate big bucks. Don't think that's going anywhere considering the amount of money they're spending on players' airplane tickets and hotel for the next event. You don't have to be very smart to know that GOM is losing foreign subscribers compare to the early days of 2010 and early 2011. They're moving to a new place and doing "MORE ESPORTS". I don't think they can survive just on SC2 alone. Sometimes you have to jump ship to survive. GOM is moving to a better studio, as well as increasing their potential to make money. Unlike most of the SC2 community, they aren't elitist dicks who don't want any game apart from Starcraft to have success. They probably are doing well enough from SC2 that they can upgrade their studio while expanding into other esports, which is only good. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On February 22 2013 06:16 AnomalySC2 wrote: No, but do you see them dropping only the SC2 division and leaving LoL? No I don't, but that has nothing to do with what you originally stated. Your premise that It's because sc2 is doing poorly that they are selling IPL doesn't hold any weight when you consider the fact that they also do the most popular e-sports game. If they decided to drop sc2 and do LoL only then I would agree with you. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
I'm saying no, I don't think LoL is dying. But I also don't see IGN dropping just the sc2 division from IPL. So they just drop the entire thing. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
On February 22 2013 06:22 AnomalySC2 wrote: If it was just "SC2 dying", as you claimed, IPL would just drop SC2 and keep its other events that are making money (presumably LoL, possibly others). But it's not doing that... therefore IGN is selling IPL for other reasons (which, again, you could easily tell if you had actually read the article)I'm saying no, I don't think LoL is dying. But I also don't see IGN dropping just the sc2 division from IPL. So they just drop the entire thing. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
also when people comment on it not being a surprise, why? | ||
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thezanursic
5504 Posts
On February 22 2013 05:22 NoGasfOu wrote: IPL is ending. MLG's revenue is not enough to pay interest. GOM is losing foreign subscribers day by day. Looks like the beginning of the end for anything that's not Kespa. BW 2.0 incoming. SC2 is the 17th played game in pc bangs with even BW being played as much in PC bangs with no proffesional scene at all. There will be no "bw 2.0" because SC2 won't be as popular in SK like ever. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
1. Ziff-Davis sucks. They bought IGN on February 4th, 2013. They also own a number of geek/tech related properties, some based on former magazines. To quote a press release on the acquisition, "All of these properties predominantly attract males 18-34, and the group’s advertisers will now have access to a larger audience and a broader array of premium inventory." Do you see a problem with this, considering the demographics of actual game players? (Hint - it's not males 18-34 anymore.) Ziff-Davis is morphing towards advertising/marketing solely, and the company that bought Ziff-Davis (j2) boasts of 19 years of profitability. 2. IPL is and always has been a loss-leader for IGN - it's a marketing tool, and a really good one. So good, and with such brand recognition in the eSports sphere, that rather than just fire everyone and close it down, they feel it has enough value to attempt to sell the brand to another entity. And - THERE IS INTEREST IN BUYING IT, from at least one party. Whether or not the events themselves are profitable (and I think they have steadily improved in that respect) the intellectual property tied to the IPL brand (as well as its production capabilities, human capital, etc) would present a net positive to a buyer. Kevin does not need to sell his pajamas for food yet. Companies buy and sell chunks of themselves all the time, and the most important thing of this entire mess is that J2/Ziff-Davis doesn't want to run tournaments (it's not in their core business) but think that IPL is valuable enough that they can sell it AND MAKE MONEY DOING IT. IPL is a valuable name and brand in eSports... which, in itself, is an important indicator that NO, ESPORTS IS NOT DYING. + Show Spoiler + Caps. Also, eSports is dying. My cat keeps telling me so. Either that, or I need to feed him. | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
But oh no, it's poor SC2's fault. Lets forget the fact that LoL is as big as ever and they are one of the leading sources of SM content, SC2's "struggling" (which it's kinda not, anyway) and "over saturation" (which LoL is just as much, if not more so) is what's causing all of the problems. Seriously if SC2 specifically was causing IPL problems they'd sooner cut back on their SC2 events/broadcasts or drop that entirely, not sell off IPL. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On February 22 2013 06:34 MCXD wrote: I like how everyone is blaming SC2 and SC2's events for causing this when IPL actually does a TON of LoL stuff too, and some Shootmania stuff, and also recently acquired permission to stream particular fighting games as well. People will find "evidence" in anything to support their misguided views. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On February 22 2013 06:24 LuckyFool wrote: Azubu where are you Dumping VC money all over the place. Don't confuse investor money with a sustainable business. | ||
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