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On February 27 2013 12:10 Imperdest wrote:There is a Huuge spoiler in the video ! D: + Show Spoiler +1:35 Clearly there are 2 Kerrigans, there is a Kerrigan clon!!. The spoiler was brutal 
Its more likely that it is a inner battle between the 'good' kerrigan and the evil 'zergy kerrigan' that is going to occur when she gets enough DNA to get all of her powers pack and enters the pool thing shown in the video. Good will win and thus get control of the new powerful body.
Not sure if I should spoiler this almost all of it is guessed.
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On February 27 2013 13:23 Valeranth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 12:10 Imperdest wrote:There is a Huuge spoiler in the video ! D: + Show Spoiler +1:35 Clearly there are 2 Kerrigans, there is a Kerrigan clon!!. The spoiler was brutal Its more likely that it is a inner battle between the 'good' kerrigan and the evil 'zergy kerrigan' that is going to occur when she gets enough DNA to get all of her powers pack and enters the pool thing shown in the video. Good will win and thus get control of the new powerful body. Not sure if I should spoiler this almost all of it is guessed.
Actually that ghost might be "Echo" (link to SC wikia).
I can't really tell though, my pausing at the right time skills aren't good enough . Let me check to see if it is Echo.
Edit - NVM that's not Echo. The hair isn't the same and the face doesn't look exactly the same either.
+ Show Spoiler + It might be Kerrigan after all because the face and hair do look similar to her. The whole cloning thing sounds silly.... I mean Red Alert 3 did that didn't it? And Dustin Browder is from the C&C series? OH NOES! (Also yes, I know DB was at Blizzard long before they worked on RA3 but I still liked to mention it.)
I was hoping it'd be a new ghost like Echo or something than Kerrigan vs Kerrigan cloning. Of course it could be a dream sequence which is also okay.
Hmm I wonder if Echo will ever appear in the SC2 story.
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On February 27 2013 13:31 Goldfish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 13:23 Valeranth wrote:On February 27 2013 12:10 Imperdest wrote:There is a Huuge spoiler in the video ! D: + Show Spoiler +1:35 Clearly there are 2 Kerrigans, there is a Kerrigan clon!!. The spoiler was brutal Its more likely that it is a inner battle between the 'good' kerrigan and the evil 'zergy kerrigan' that is going to occur when she gets enough DNA to get all of her powers pack and enters the pool thing shown in the video. Good will win and thus get control of the new powerful body. Not sure if I should spoiler this almost all of it is guessed. Actually that ghost might be " Echo" (link to SC wikia). I can't really tell though, my pausing at the right time skills aren't good enough . Let me check to see if it is Echo. Edit - NVM that's not Echo. The hair isn't the same and the face doesn't look exactly the same either. + Show Spoiler + It might be Kerrigan after all because the face and hair do look similar to her. The whole cloning thing sounds silly.... I mean Red Alert 3 did that didn't it? And Dustin Browder is from the C&C series? OH NOES! (Also yes, I know DB was at Blizzard long before they worked on RA3 but I still liked to mention it.
I was hoping it'd be a new ghost like Echo or something than Kerrigan vs Kerrigan cloning. Of course it could be a dream sequence which is also okay. Hmm I wonder if Echo will ever appear in the SC2 story.
Never heard of echo, could be. Still, I think it is more of a dream sequence.
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On February 27 2013 11:16 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 09:40 Chicken Chaser wrote:On February 27 2013 08:30 Xenocide_Knight wrote:So, is it just me, or does it almost seem like Psi-blade Kerrigan is fighting Queen of Blades Kerrigan At first I thought that was Zeratul but going frame-by-frame, the hands of her opponent do look like Queen of Blades Kerrigan.. and maybe a side boob shot. Hmmmmm?? It could be a case of when the overmind "rebuilt" Kerrigan, he realised that at some point in the future she might try and break away to become human again (as he would have known of the artifact himself). So retroactively he created many versions of Kerrigan/the queen of blades, so if one were to fall/turn human another would stand in it's place.
My theory is that it's a "dream" sequence.
We see a few scenes where Kerrigan is in an area with a Xel'Naga aesthetic with her breaking (free?) a crystal while Raynor stands in the back. Her eyes then change, possibly indicating that she goes feral. She then runs towards Raynor.. Although it isn't specified who she is attacking, I think it can be implied that it's Raynor even though we only get a slight glimpse at the victim. And of course, we see human Kerrigan fighting infested Kerrigan.
So I think this is a kind of internal dream sequence where the feral infested Kerrigan breaks free from her Xel'Naga prison that the Xel'Naga artifact from WoL had trapped her (spirit?) in. And then maybe Raynor's presence in this dream represents Kerrigan's love for Raynor or some stupid shit like that. So evil Kerrigan starts attacking Raynor, who is probably a dream Raynor since I don't expect the real Raynor to be heavily injured or killed yet. And then the fully human Kerrigan spirit comes out to defend dream Raynor and defeat the evil Kerrigan spirit.
The result is that the good Kerrigan defeats the evil Kerrigan that has been lying latent inside of her mind the entire time. This dream sequence is probably happening while Kerrigan is trying to get re-infested, possibly to regain as much power as she can so that she can best lead the Zerg in the upcoming fight against the Hybrids. Thus, the re-infested Kerrigan becomes a protagonist in the plot instead of becoming the queen bitch of the galaxy again.
And then everyone lived happily ever after.
The end.
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I feel like they definitely leaked too much of the story :/ I avoided a lot of the spoilers that were released awhile ago but they made it really obvious what is going to happen  Coulda made for some good twists and character development.
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holy shit blizzard why not just release all the cinematics to youtube while you're at it.
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kerrigan is going to kill zeratul. I predict.
Also, very excited for the story if it doesn't turn into a typical blizzard "lets all align and fight the hybrids" shitfest.
Also also, i hope the actual gameplay of the campaign isnt as terrible as WoL (let's make a mission to showcase each unit - blarg)
So excited.
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If the ending is the same as the leaked one, I'm going to be incredibly pissed.
However, if Artanis dies I will forgive Blizzard. Fuck Artanis.
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On February 27 2013 15:33 Angel_ wrote:
kerrigan is going to kill zeratul. I predict.
Also, very excited for the story if it doesn't turn into a typical blizzard "lets all align and fight the hybrids" shitfest.
Also also, i hope the actual gameplay of the campaign isnt as terrible as WoL (let's make a mission to showcase each unit - blarg)
So excited.
Hm.. I liked the mission dynamics, I liked how each mission had a different mechanic, rather than all missions just consisting of building up an army and steamrolling. It was a very enjoyable campaign.
And it's also very likely to go the way of "everyone aligns vs the enemy", Blizz just does that.
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On February 27 2013 15:46 Plexa wrote:
If the ending is the same as the leaked one, I'm going to be incredibly pissed.
However, if Artanis dies I will forgive Blizzard. Fuck Artanis.
The f#$#, plexa?!
Artanis is cool!!
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On February 27 2013 15:49 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 15:33 Angel_ wrote:
kerrigan is going to kill zeratul. I predict.
Also, very excited for the story if it doesn't turn into a typical blizzard "lets all align and fight the hybrids" shitfest.
Also also, i hope the actual gameplay of the campaign isnt as terrible as WoL (let's make a mission to showcase each unit - blarg)
So excited. Hm.. I liked the mission dynamics, I liked how each mission had a different mechanic, rather than all missions just consisting of building up an army and steamrolling. It was a very enjoyable campaign. And it's also very likely to go the way of "everyone aligns vs the enemy", Blizz just does that.
Yeah the missions are good. It's very non-linear. And not non-linear for the sake of non-linear (I like linear play if they have a good reason for it), it's really fun because you can take advantage of certain things by putting off missions until you get better upgrades.
The concept is definitely good.
It's too bad some of which units to use are standard (most units are kind of useless). The concept of upgrades and things like that had potential but most of them aren't good even with upgrades (Diamondbacks are almost inferior to Siege Tanks in every way besides the mission they were introduced in).
(Another example - Wraiths are almost useless outside of the mission they were introduced in.... it was 150/100 in BW, and did not require a tech lab. In SC2, it's 150/150 and requires a tech lab, which means no reactor wraiths.)
I liked that SC2 had an "RPG" element in a way (purchasing upgrades, researching tech, etc). It's a good concept with a lot of potential.
Edit - If I wanted to appeal to the casuals, I'd up (and advertise) the SC2 single player content by a lot. (Also by advertise, I mean advertise the actual gameplay. The story is definitely advertised a lot.)
So I was looking at some steam games and there are a lot of single player only RTS like games. The SC2 campaign has a lot of potential. SC2 wants to draw in more players? Then advertise the single player just as much as its multiplayer.
The SP doesn't even have to just be the storyline, they could make like 40 "bonus" (maybe community made?) missions with barely any story (and if they want, not even connected to the main plot) and just feature a ton of the RPG elements... (like branching missions in WoL with new units, etc). Of course, there needs to be achievements and portrait and decal rewards to make it more fun!
I could do probably do a mission per like 2 hours of using the map editor... (In terms of the scripts and triggers and the concept, it'd probably be like 1 hour per mission while another hour of trying to figure out the Terrain).
(This has to be after I put everything I need for the entire campaign in a mod file. The galaxy editor is really slow sometimes in terms of loading. When I click on the actors tab, it takes 5 seconds to load. Though in my custom melee maps, a lot of the stuff is already there.)
I could also think of like 5 different upgrades for each unit... Actually I have a series of custom melee maps where I add as many fun upgrades as I can think of. One example is the Fire Suppression System.... LEVEL 2! Which instead of 2 bots healing your structures, it deploys "4 bots!".
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What I did is make two actors. One actor is the original Fire Suppression System. Another is a duplicated "except" I set the animation time to skip it's "Birth" or starting animation. I also made the animation skip 2 seconds (note, you can't skip the animation 2 seconds in if it does the usual "BSD" which is Birth, Stand, Death. You have to skip the Birth part of the animation. Since Stand is the meat of the animation, you have to make it so when the actor is created, it immediately starts at Stand)>
So when it activates, the second Fire Suppression System (the models of the bots) are on the opposite side of the regular Fire Suppression System bots (since I made it skip 2 seconds into the animation). This means that you can make it so 4 bots are spraying water in sync.
(Yep, no need for making a custom model at all. You can make 4 bots heal a structure by just having a second set of fire suppression bot actors skip 2 seconds or so into the animation.)
Anyway I talk about my "enhancement" of the original FSS upgrade because it's one of my favorite upgrades. Kudos to Blizzard on that one, I just like the concept of bots appearing out of no where and putting out all the fires on Terran structures.
Also there is an upgrade that allows Fire Suppression System to work from 50% HP to 100%.... Besides that, I like busting out old scrapped stuff like the return of the "Dark Pylon" which functions as a Shield Battery except for Energy. Also it has other abilities too.
I'd talk more about it but it sounds boring on paper but more fun in gameplay (honest >.>). When you see not "2" but "4!" Fire Suppression Bots spraying water, and repairing and healing a terran structure.... that's when thinks get real!
They could even just have some volunteer mappers do that if they wanted to (similar to how Valve has most of its Dota 2 items made by community members). (It's not the same thing but it is kind of close. Hmm I wonder if there are any games that has a large portion of something done by the community.)
Edit - It could be similar to Capcom's Street Fighter X Mega Man (it was fan made but Capcom really liked it, so they helped by releasing it and advertising it officially). Anyway the point is to draw in more people into SC2.
Edit 2 - I just thought of something. Fan community made missions (similar in WoL, with RPG elements where you gradually get better units and tech and branching options) that is "free to play" (maybe with more if you buy the game). Technically Blizzard has already done this. The "Starter Edition" already allows you to play some community made custom maps for free (all the featured ones are free to play). They just need to do it on a larger scale.
Again, the concept of SC2's single player really has a lot of potential. Again, there are lot of people that buy RTS (or RTS-like games) just for the SP.
The single player shouldn't teach players how to play MP, it should just be fun enough that they like the game and wonder what else is there (the next step is trying out the multiplayer maybe). Even if you can't make someone a regular SC2 player, maybe they can be made into a spectator of SC2 games at least (which helps the SC2 competitive scene by introducing more viewers).
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On February 27 2013 15:49 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 15:33 Angel_ wrote:
kerrigan is going to kill zeratul. I predict.
Also, very excited for the story if it doesn't turn into a typical blizzard "lets all align and fight the hybrids" shitfest.
Also also, i hope the actual gameplay of the campaign isnt as terrible as WoL (let's make a mission to showcase each unit - blarg)
So excited. Hm.. I liked the mission dynamics, I liked how each mission had a different mechanic, rather than all missions just consisting of building up an army and steamrolling. It was a very enjoyable campaign. And it's also very likely to go the way of "everyone aligns vs the enemy", Blizz just does that.
i liked that there was a decent amount of variance in some of the missions, and the objectives of the missions.
But for the large part, whatever unit was introduced you could just mass some of THAT unit and that was the entire point of the mission. "Hey this is the viking mission, check out how cool flying and landed vikings are". It didn't really teach you anything about the gameplay.
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On February 27 2013 15:04 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:16 Qikz wrote:On February 27 2013 09:40 Chicken Chaser wrote:On February 27 2013 08:30 Xenocide_Knight wrote:So, is it just me, or does it almost seem like Psi-blade Kerrigan is fighting Queen of Blades Kerrigan At first I thought that was Zeratul but going frame-by-frame, the hands of her opponent do look like Queen of Blades Kerrigan.. and maybe a side boob shot. Hmmmmm?? It could be a case of when the overmind "rebuilt" Kerrigan, he realised that at some point in the future she might try and break away to become human again (as he would have known of the artifact himself). So retroactively he created many versions of Kerrigan/the queen of blades, so if one were to fall/turn human another would stand in it's place. My theory is that it's a "dream" sequence. We see a few scenes where Kerrigan is in an area with a Xel'Naga aesthetic with her breaking (free?) a crystal while Raynor stands in the back. Her eyes then change, possibly indicating that she goes feral. She then runs towards Raynor.. Although it isn't specified who she is attacking, I think it can be implied that it's Raynor even though we only get a slight glimpse at the victim. And of course, we see human Kerrigan fighting infested Kerrigan. So I think this is a kind of internal dream sequence where the feral infested Kerrigan breaks free from her Xel'Naga prison that the Xel'Naga artifact from WoL had trapped her (spirit?) in. And then maybe Raynor's presence in this dream represents Kerrigan's love for Raynor or some stupid shit like that. So evil Kerrigan starts attacking Raynor, who is probably a dream Raynor since I don't expect the real Raynor to be heavily injured or killed yet. And then the fully human Kerrigan spirit comes out to defend dream Raynor and defeat the evil Kerrigan spirit. The result is that the good Kerrigan defeats the evil Kerrigan that has been lying latent inside of her mind the entire time. This dream sequence is probably happening while Kerrigan is trying to get re-infested, possibly to regain as much power as she can so that she can best lead the Zerg in the upcoming fight against the Hybrids. Thus, the re-infested Kerrigan becomes a protagonist in the plot instead of becoming the queen bitch of the galaxy again. And then everyone lived happily ever after. The end.
This would totally suck. If this is anywhere near the truth, Chris Metzen would officially be an idiot. Brood War had like amazing complicated mature drama, with a lot of tragedy, where anyone was disposable. Sc2 - some cheesy good endings with bullshit 'heroes' and overall dumbed down characters.
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On February 27 2013 15:33 Angel_ wrote:
kerrigan is going to kill zeratul. I predict.
Also, very excited for the story if it doesn't turn into a typical blizzard "lets all align and fight the hybrids" shitfest.
Also also, i hope the actual gameplay of the campaign isnt as terrible as WoL (let's make a mission to showcase each unit - blarg)
So excited.
Isn't Zeratul supposed to be the hero of LotV? How will that work then.
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Kerrigan has an internal fight between her zerg (id) and human (superego) sides. Zerg side wins. She attacks Zeratul. Jim Raynor takes the hit and dies. Next expansion.
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On February 27 2013 16:07 Brutaxilos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 15:33 Angel_ wrote:
kerrigan is going to kill zeratul. I predict.
Also, very excited for the story if it doesn't turn into a typical blizzard "lets all align and fight the hybrids" shitfest.
Also also, i hope the actual gameplay of the campaign isnt as terrible as WoL (let's make a mission to showcase each unit - blarg)
So excited. Isn't Zeratul supposed to be the hero of LotV? How will that work then.
I guess that would depend on how much they develop Artanis' character. Or a yet unseen newer, younger protoss.
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First of all Zeratul > Artanis. So Zeratul can't die XD
Besides, he's not the only Dark Templar around. So the one getting beat could be anyone really. This story will add some characters to the mix we don't really know about.
I agree Kerrigan seems to be fighting with herself. However, whether the "good" Kerrigan will prevail or not, who knows.
Yeah Blizzard has gone cheesy-predictable lately. But we do know they also know how to do plot twists.
Heart of the Swarm is ALL about Kerrigan and both her transformation and struggle between being a human and Zerg. A few cinematics won't tell us all we need to know.
I'm merely expressing faith that they revealed enough to want us to play and dive into the story, but not enough to spoil things.
Taking WoL for instance.
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We never knew Tychus would get killed. We never knew Tassadar would reappear or the news he was going to give.
Heck aside from the leaked ending photo there was really no indication Kerrigan would turn human. Nor that Tosh would appear. Or Arcturus would be revealed as a tyrant to his Dominion.
So they know how to pull us in, but they dont really reveal the intricate plot twists and important information on trailers.
All that being said, I will contradict myself and say that Blizzard is more concerned on the multiplayer portion of the game, so it could be revealing the whole story in short snaps is of no concern to them.
But Id rather not believe that XD
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anyone else think the commentary of the show map was a bit like the commentators in FIFA? i know is tb and Apollo but it just reminds me as the prerecorded commentary
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On February 27 2013 17:01 Angel_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 16:07 Brutaxilos wrote:On February 27 2013 15:33 Angel_ wrote:
kerrigan is going to kill zeratul. I predict.
Also, very excited for the story if it doesn't turn into a typical blizzard "lets all align and fight the hybrids" shitfest.
Also also, i hope the actual gameplay of the campaign isnt as terrible as WoL (let's make a mission to showcase each unit - blarg)
So excited. Isn't Zeratul supposed to be the hero of LotV? How will that work then. I guess that would depend on how much they develop Artanis' character. Or a yet unseen newer, younger protoss.
Nah. I think Artanis is set to be a big character later. The way Blizzard built him from a young Praetor to a hierach gives him a reason to live. Since Blizzard is quite cheesy to a degree lately, I see Artanis being the one to unite (with help of Zeratul and maybe Selendis) all the Protoss together to fight the threat.
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On February 27 2013 18:17 zoLo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 17:01 Angel_ wrote:On February 27 2013 16:07 Brutaxilos wrote:On February 27 2013 15:33 Angel_ wrote:
kerrigan is going to kill zeratul. I predict.
Also, very excited for the story if it doesn't turn into a typical blizzard "lets all align and fight the hybrids" shitfest.
Also also, i hope the actual gameplay of the campaign isnt as terrible as WoL (let's make a mission to showcase each unit - blarg)
So excited. Isn't Zeratul supposed to be the hero of LotV? How will that work then. I guess that would depend on how much they develop Artanis' character. Or a yet unseen newer, younger protoss. Nah. I think Artanis is set to be a big character later. The way Blizzard built him from a young Praetor to a hierach gives him a reason to live. Since Blizzard is quite cheesy to a degree lately, I see Artanis being the one to unite (with help of Zeratul and maybe Selendis) all the Protoss together to fight the threat.
I wasn't suggesting that Artanis would die.
I'm saying Artanis could easily become the central hero for LoTV
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