With StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm arriving on March 12, we’ve been itching to show you a new trailer called "Vengeance”, and we’re planning to reveal it to the world in a special online event on TwitchTV.
Here are some more details:
Blizzard developers will be on hand to talk about Heart of the Swarm and the making of "Vengeance". An exclusive Heart of the Swarm eSports showmatch will be casted by commentators John "TotalBiscuit" Bain and Shaun "dApollo" Clark. The world premiere of the "Vengeance" trailer for Heart of the Swarm.
Viewers can participate in the discussion segment by posting Twitter questions using the hashtag #Vengeance. Tune in to join the discussion and be among the first to see the new trailer at twitch.tv/starcraft at 21:00 CET on Tuesday, February 26.
fuck i wanted to do this thread :D. Hope they don´t shut the stream down when everybody starts flaming about Blizzard beeing unable to balance the game since over 2 years. But hope they fix the ingame laggs when someone goes in the menu soon...
There is already the prelude to this trailer on korean with english subtitles. check out the vengeance thread on bnet, there's all information we have as of now c:
On February 22 2013 03:31 opterown wrote: this would be funny if it were the same thing as the GOMTV video playing before HOTS matches haha
That's funny because the trailer that GOMTV has been showing was released like 2 hours before Group A of the ro32... and it's called the opening cinematic...
On February 22 2013 03:31 opterown wrote: this would be funny if it were the same thing as the GOMTV video playing before HOTS matches haha
That's funny because the trailer that GOMTV has been showing was released like 2 hours before Group A of the ro32... and it's called the opening cinematic...
don't be snide, because that's not the trailer that i'm talking about
On February 22 2013 03:31 opterown wrote: this would be funny if it were the same thing as the GOMTV video playing before HOTS matches haha
That's funny because the trailer that GOMTV has been showing was released like 2 hours before Group A of the ro32... and it's called the opening cinematic...
don't be snide, because that's not the trailer that i'm talking about
Opterown is talking about the one they show in the GSTL pre season. That would just be the biggest fail ^^, but pretty sure they will have something new for us!
Given how much HotS has been played and streamed and that the best sc2 players are still mostly playing WoL.. I'm not sure there is a show match I'd care to see that would be actually good...
On February 22 2013 04:20 baldgye wrote: Given how much HotS has been played and streamed and that the best sc2 players are still mostly playing WoL.. I'm not sure there is a show match I'd care to see that would be actually good...
i find it quite the opposite, almost everyone is streaming hots lately, and MLG is in hots!
On February 22 2013 04:23 ZenithM wrote: Is that...an announcement of an announcement? :D
chill, at least we know what we will get when. Lady GaGa for example did an announcement of an announcement which will announce when there will be an announcement of an announcement of the date of the premiere of the release of the album date. So Blizz seems pretty organized here c:
On February 22 2013 04:20 baldgye wrote: Given how much HotS has been played and streamed and that the best sc2 players are still mostly playing WoL.. I'm not sure there is a show match I'd care to see that would be actually good...
Well really the only players are still playing WoL are Symbol, Curious, MC, Roro, Soulkey and TaeJa... Everyone else should be practicing HotS now. Which leaves us with tons of opportunity for great matches.
On February 22 2013 04:20 baldgye wrote: Given how much HotS has been played and streamed and that the best sc2 players are still mostly playing WoL.. I'm not sure there is a show match I'd care to see that would be actually good...
Well really the only players are still playing WoL are Symbol, Curious, MC, Roro, Soulkey and TaeJa... Everyone else should be practicing HotS now. Which leaves us with tons of opportunity for great matches.
Oh we all know it's going to be Boxer versus Yellow again.
On February 22 2013 04:20 baldgye wrote: Given how much HotS has been played and streamed and that the best sc2 players are still mostly playing WoL.. I'm not sure there is a show match I'd care to see that would be actually good...
Well really the only players are still playing WoL are Symbol, Curious, MC, Roro, Soulkey and TaeJa... Everyone else should be practicing HotS now. Which leaves us with tons of opportunity for great matches.
Oh we all know it's going to be Boxer versus Yellow again.
I would probably die of nerdchills if this was the case D:
On February 22 2013 04:20 baldgye wrote: Given how much HotS has been played and streamed and that the best sc2 players are still mostly playing WoL.. I'm not sure there is a show match I'd care to see that would be actually good...
Well really the only players are still playing WoL are Symbol, Curious, MC, Roro, Soulkey and TaeJa... Everyone else should be practicing HotS now. Which leaves us with tons of opportunity for great matches.
there is still a lot of 3rd round of code a matches, up and downs, IPTL, and IPL6 so many other players are still playing WoL i believe
On February 22 2013 04:20 baldgye wrote: Given how much HotS has been played and streamed and that the best sc2 players are still mostly playing WoL.. I'm not sure there is a show match I'd care to see that would be actually good...
Well really the only players are still playing WoL are Symbol, Curious, MC, Roro, Soulkey and TaeJa... Everyone else should be practicing HotS now. Which leaves us with tons of opportunity for great matches.
Oh we all know it's going to be Boxer versus Yellow again.
On February 22 2013 04:20 baldgye wrote: Given how much HotS has been played and streamed and that the best sc2 players are still mostly playing WoL.. I'm not sure there is a show match I'd care to see that would be actually good...
Well really the only players are still playing WoL are Symbol, Curious, MC, Roro, Soulkey and TaeJa... Everyone else should be practicing HotS now. Which leaves us with tons of opportunity for great matches.
Oh we all know it's going to be Boxer versus Yellow again.
On February 22 2013 04:20 baldgye wrote: Given how much HotS has been played and streamed and that the best sc2 players are still mostly playing WoL.. I'm not sure there is a show match I'd care to see that would be actually good...
Well really the only players are still playing WoL are Symbol, Curious, MC, Roro, Soulkey and TaeJa... Everyone else should be practicing HotS now. Which leaves us with tons of opportunity for great matches.
Oh we all know it's going to be Boxer versus Yellow again.
I have the stream open, going to be waiting for 12 minutes. And I still don't really know for what, but I've heard it's a trailer. I feel slightly stupid for doing this.
On February 27 2013 04:49 blackone wrote: I have the stream open, going to be waiting for 12 minutes. And I still don't really know for what, but I've heard it's a trailer. I feel slightly stupid for doing this.
It's only stupid if you are going to stare at the stream for 12 minutes. If you just do other stuff until it starts, it's OK bro.
On February 27 2013 04:49 blackone wrote: I have the stream open, going to be waiting for 12 minutes. And I still don't really know for what, but I've heard it's a trailer. I feel slightly stupid for doing this.
You can do other stuff at the same time. I'm also watching MMA's stream, browsing TL, having a hockey game on on my TV and re-watching a episode of 24 on my second monitor. No time to waste.
On February 27 2013 04:49 blackone wrote: I have the stream open, going to be waiting for 12 minutes. And I still don't really know for what, but I've heard it's a trailer. I feel slightly stupid for doing this.
You can do other stuff at the same time. I'm also watching MMA's stream, browsing TL, having a hockey game on on my TV and re-watching a episode of 24 on my second monitor. No time to waste.
Of course, I'm mainly talking about the part where I'm waiting for a *trailer* for a game.
On February 27 2013 04:49 blackone wrote: I have the stream open, going to be waiting for 12 minutes. And I still don't really know for what, but I've heard it's a trailer. I feel slightly stupid for doing this.
You can do other stuff at the same time. I'm also watching MMA's stream, browsing TL, having a hockey game on on my TV and re-watching a episode of 24 on my second monitor. No time to waste.
Of course, I'm mainly talking about the part where I'm waiting for a *trailer* for a game.
Small question : I am not familiar with Twitch (even though I subscribed to Proleague). But, is there really 250 000 people on the stream? Sounds unlikely.
Or is it an all time view? But what does twitch.tv/starcraft stream?
On February 27 2013 04:49 blackone wrote: I have the stream open, going to be waiting for 12 minutes. And I still don't really know for what, but I've heard it's a trailer. I feel slightly stupid for doing this.
You can do other stuff at the same time. I'm also watching MMA's stream, browsing TL, having a hockey game on on my TV and re-watching a episode of 24 on my second monitor. No time to waste.
Of course, I'm mainly talking about the part where I'm waiting for a *trailer* for a game.
dis gon be gud though, or at least i hope so. given that they announced the casters, but not the players for the showmatch, i'm gonna guess it's two not so popular pros playing.
On February 27 2013 04:58 fezvez wrote: Small question : I am not familiar with Twitch (even though I subscribed to Proleague). But, is there really 250 000 people on the stream? Sounds unlikely.
Or is it an all time view? But what does twitch.tv/starcraft stream?
Channel views are the total not the live viewer count for the channel.
On February 27 2013 04:49 blackone wrote: I have the stream open, going to be waiting for 12 minutes. And I still don't really know for what, but I've heard it's a trailer. I feel slightly stupid for doing this.
You can do other stuff at the same time. I'm also watching MMA's stream, browsing TL, having a hockey game on on my TV and re-watching a episode of 24 on my second monitor. No time to waste.
Of course, I'm mainly talking about the part where I'm waiting for a *trailer* for a game.
Not like you would do something more productive otherwise...
Vengeance is coming! With StarCraft® II: Heart of the Swarm™ arriving in just a few short weeks, Blizzard Entertainment is looking forward to sharing a new trailer, entitled "Vengeance". The reveal will be a special online event happening on Twitch.TV that will feature: The world premiere of the "Vengeance" trailer for Heart of the Swarm
Discussion on Heart of the Swarm and the making of "Vengeance," with Blizzard developers
An exclusive Heart of the Swarm eSports showmatch casted by top commentators John "TotalBiscuit" Bain and Shaun "dApollo" Clark.
Viewers can participate in the discussion segment by sending questions via Twitter or Vine, using the hashtag #Vengeance. Tune in tonight at www.twitch.tv/starcraft at 9PM CET on Tuesday, February 26.
On February 27 2013 04:58 fezvez wrote: Small question : I am not familiar with Twitch (even though I subscribed to Proleague). But, is there really 250 000 people on the stream? Sounds unlikely.
Or is it an all time view? But what does twitch.tv/starcraft stream?
Channel views are the total not the live viewer count for the channel.
On February 27 2013 05:03 Hadley88 wrote: This has to be the best thing ever or the disappointment will be huge after all this hype!
Knowing these kinds of events there will always be some kind of fail with it. Maybe the show-match is recorded before the war-hound got the removed or something stupid like that.
They're just figuring out how to break it to everyone that this is actually a 5 minute on and off stage announcement for World of Warcraft releasing on the Playstation 4.
On February 27 2013 04:58 fezvez wrote: Small question : I am not familiar with Twitch (even though I subscribed to Proleague). But, is there really 250 000 people on the stream? Sounds unlikely.
Or is it an all time view? But what does twitch.tv/starcraft stream?
Channel views are the total not the live viewer count for the channel.
But what else has the Starcraft account ever streamed?
On February 27 2013 05:07 vinsang1000 wrote: too bad you need facebook to chat
Just make an account for things like this. I've had an account for ages and just use it to get promo codes and stuff like that. Not sure why you'd want to chat there though given its condition.
On February 27 2013 04:58 fezvez wrote: Small question : I am not familiar with Twitch (even though I subscribed to Proleague). But, is there really 250 000 people on the stream? Sounds unlikely.
Or is it an all time view? But what does twitch.tv/starcraft stream?
Channel views are the total not the live viewer count for the channel.
But what else has the Starcraft account ever streamed?
Not much considering it's increased with around 100 000 in like 15 minutes, almost half of the current total today.
On February 27 2013 04:58 fezvez wrote: Small question : I am not familiar with Twitch (even though I subscribed to Proleague). But, is there really 250 000 people on the stream? Sounds unlikely.
Or is it an all time view? But what does twitch.tv/starcraft stream?
Channel views are the total not the live viewer count for the channel.
But what else has the Starcraft account ever streamed?
It's a new channel, so that's the number of clicks on the channel since they put it up. It hasn't streamed anything before.
On February 27 2013 05:07 vinsang1000 wrote: too bad you need facebook to chat
Just make an account for things like this. I've had an account for ages and just use it to get promo codes and stuff like that. Not sure why you'd want to chat there though given its condition.
Who wants to chat in this chat? Chats for such big events are pointless, you cannot talk there with all that spam.
they had like 2-3 weeks to prepare the launch of "vengeance". Kind of funny that they can't start it on time, I mean they hyped it up so much that you would expect things to be professional. Idm at all when events like TSL aren't perfectly orchestrated, they don't have similar budget. On the other hand, Blizzard is kind of in a redemption state, where most people are not happy with the way they run things (no lan + poor balance decisions).
so Blizzard is hyping #Vengeance up like crazy only to have "technical issues" now? How the hell do they expect to actually get more people to buy the game when they totally fuck up after this much hype?
On February 27 2013 05:07 vinsang1000 wrote: too bad you need facebook to chat
Just make an account for things like this. I've had an account for ages and just use it to get promo codes and stuff like that. Not sure why you'd want to chat there though given its condition.
I have already dummy mails, I guess I'll follow your advice and make a dummy facebook....
pretty sure delaying shit is part of blizzard's approach to hyping things. not saying i think it's a good idea, but it seems to be what they do, at least sometimes.
On February 27 2013 05:12 crbox wrote:On the other hand, Blizzard is kind of in a redemption state, where most people are not happy with the way they run things (no lan + poor balance decisions).
Not "most people". Angry internet nerds aren't happy with them. If companies ever started to care about that, the world would sink in chaos.
On February 27 2013 05:12 crbox wrote: they had like 2-3 weeks to prepare the launch of "vengeance". Kind of funny that they can't start it on time, I mean they hyped it up so much that you would expect things to be professional. Idm at all when events like TSL aren't perfectly orchestrated, they don't have similar budget. On the other hand, Blizzard is kind of in a redemption state, where most people are not happy with the way they run things (no lan + poor balance decisions).
Hopefully they can step up and make this work
If it's a sign that they'll return to releasing their games when they are ready, I don't mind.
On February 27 2013 05:18 TheSayo182 wrote: Dustin Bowder with a zerh shirt...enuff said..
Not only is a Zerg player, but he's a flipflopper. First he had a terran shirt, now he has a ZERH SHIRT. If he moves to a PROTOSH SHIRT, ILL QUIT ESPORTS </sarcasm>
On February 27 2013 05:18 Ender2701 wrote: Show the cinematic lol, I think Blizzard overestimates how many people are interested in the story and other things
On February 27 2013 05:18 TheSayo182 wrote: Dustin Bowder with a zerh shirt...enuff said..
Not only is a Zerg player, but he's a flipflopper. First he had a terran shirt, now he has a ZERH SHIRT. If he moves to a PROTOSH SHIRT, ILL QUIT ESPORTS </sarcasm>
I think he said once that he don't have that many starcraft outfits. Like when he was wearing the Terran jacket, it's just because he only had that one for now lol
On February 27 2013 05:18 Ender2701 wrote: Show the cinematic lol, I think Blizzard overestimates how many people are interested in the story and other things
It's not like 50% of the people bought WoL just for the campaign. Oh wait... they did. :<
On February 27 2013 05:18 Ender2701 wrote: Show the cinematic lol, I think Blizzard overestimates how many people are interested in the story and other things
I think you underestimate the amount of people who are actually only interested in the single player part of the game.
I find it a bit odd how the guy in charge of the story seems not to take SC2's story very seriously. Lots of air quotes on "evil alien planet" and all that.
On February 27 2013 05:23 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: Unfortunately 720p and + seems to be laggy but the trailer will go up on YouTube afterwards anyways I imagine.
On February 27 2013 05:23 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: Unfortunately 720p and + seems to be laggy but the trailer will go up on YouTube afterwards anyways I imagine.
On February 27 2013 05:20 Bagration wrote: Nearly 50k viewers on stream? Not bad I suppose
Not as much as expected tbh.. :/
I expected maybe 10-15k viewers. It's only a cinematic that will be up on Youtube almost instant to the premiere. Im honestly surprised so many tuned in, guess the #vengeance Hype did work
On February 27 2013 05:22 AmericanUmlaut wrote: I find it a bit odd how the guy in charge of the story seems not to take SC2's story very seriously. Lots of air quotes on "evil alien planet" and all that.
he has to take into account the people that dont know a thing about the sc story line. If he called the planet Charr then he'd have to explain what the hell Charr is and what the planet's role is etc, so if he had to summarise it's much easier to just call it an evil alien planet.
On February 27 2013 05:20 Bagration wrote: Nearly 50k viewers on stream? Not bad I suppose
Not as much as expected tbh.. :/
much more than I expected. Its a stream with very little importance at 12 oclock on a work day. I doubt too many is going to miss work or school for this
On February 27 2013 05:27 Exarl25 wrote: The best bits were the parts they copied and pasted from the previous trailer. What a letdown.
Not even close. The best bits are revealing what might happen with Kerrigan that wasn't in previous trailers but I don't want to leave spoilers anywhere.
One of the scenes showed a Korhal building in the same shape as the one in the leaked HotS ending exploding. Makes it seem likely that the leak was correct (which is certainly a disappointment in my opinion).
Not as impressed as I'd hoped to be . That rapid-fire cut cut cut cut style of video drives me up the wall - I'd rather see something interesting happen from start to finish.
The previous one was the cinematic - the mini movie, this one that was just presented was a trailer - a compliation of various cinematics-videos that aims on hyping the story
@ all these people who are complaining, the WoL launch trailer was the same thing. Use 1/3 of the big fancy cinematic and fill in the rest as a trailer to the game.
On February 27 2013 05:29 TzTz wrote: That was nearly no new material at all? Heard pretty much all the quotes before and maybe SOME new video, but not much :-/
But at least it didn't spoiler anything really.
It actually spoilered a lot, but you have to read between the lines and look carefully at it.
it was short and it had some nice pictures. I didn't expect too much, and I'm fine with the trailer for what it is. A trailer. It could have been a bit more on the point, though.
Blizzard's stories have always been weak, even WC3 and D2 were pretty cringe worthy and trope infested. If I want a good story I'll read a book, not play a blizzard game.
On February 27 2013 05:29 Requizen wrote: "I never gave up on you" - Raynor
WAS MOST OF BROOD WAR FORGOTTEN? He totally wrote her off as an evil whore after she + Show Spoiler +
killed Fenix
and vowed to kill her when he had the chance.
LORE BLIZZARD, LORE
Seeing as what happened at the end of WoL he never gave up on her.
Even WoL pissed me off in that respect. He more or less said she was dead to him and that she needed to be killed during the Zerg campaign of BW, but I guess that's forgotten.
On February 27 2013 05:29 Requizen wrote: "I never gave up on you" - Raynor
WAS MOST OF BROOD WAR FORGOTTEN? He totally wrote her off as an evil whore after she + Show Spoiler +
killed Fenix
and vowed to kill her when he had the chance.
LORE BLIZZARD, LORE
Seeing as what happened at the end of WoL he never gave up on her.
Even WoL pissed me off in that respect. He more or less said she was dead to him and that she needed to be killed during the Zerg campaign of BW, but I guess that's forgotten.
As was said last page and they're talking about now on stream, Zerg Kerrigan =/= Human Kerrigan.
On February 27 2013 05:32 Inori wrote: Dustin feels 10x more passionate about the game than Chris
If I'm not mistaken Dustin is purely involved in Starcraft 2 as where Chris is also hugely involved mostly with World of Warcraft lore, yeah? I don't really know roles all that well but Chris seems to be everywhere and I only see Dustin in Starcraft.
On February 27 2013 05:29 Requizen wrote: "I never gave up on you" - Raynor
WAS MOST OF BROOD WAR FORGOTTEN? He totally wrote her off as an evil whore after she + Show Spoiler +
killed Fenix
and vowed to kill her when he had the chance.
LORE BLIZZARD, LORE
They explained why Raynor is not on the vengeance anymore. And yes, it makes sense. In anger you say a lot of things and some time later you think differently about them. Vengeance never stays in your mind forever.
On February 27 2013 05:31 Ender2701 wrote: Hm I think they should stick to the previous trailer but maybe that's just because I'm not very interested in the story.
The other one felt much more clean and impressive. This one just looked like every other game trailer you see.
The first one was WAY better, not even close. This trailer is a huge letdown IMHO.
On February 27 2013 05:32 nomyx wrote: Blizzard's stories have always been weak, even WC3 and D2 were pretty cringe worthy and trope infested. If I want a good story I'll read a book, not play a blizzard game.
The warcraft story was pretty damn awesome and well written until they ran out of idea because WoW don't let them time to think enough stuff.
erm. human kerrigan fighting infested kerrigan with some laseblade? wtf? lyk rly? looks liek many scnes we know have been converted to cgi (the space battle for example)
On February 27 2013 05:32 Inori wrote: Dustin feels 10x more passionate about the game than Chris
If I'm not mistaken Dustin is purely involved in Starcraft 2 as where Chris is also hugely involved mostly with World of Warcraft lore, yeah? I don't really know roles all that well but Chris seems to be everywhere and I only see Dustin in Starcraft.
Chris Metzen does the lore for all the the Blizzard games. Something I personally don't like but it is what it is.
On February 27 2013 05:32 nomyx wrote: Blizzard's stories have always been weak, even WC3 and D2 were pretty cringe worthy and trope infested. If I want a good story I'll read a book, not play a blizzard game.
thanks for saving me the post. no offense to anybody that enjoys the story, but the good stuff about the campaigns to me is the graphics and the atmosphere they produce, and the gameplay. blizzard campaigns are great for that so i'm happy.
On February 27 2013 05:32 nomyx wrote: Blizzard's stories have always been weak, even WC3 and D2 were pretty cringe worthy and trope infested. If I want a good story I'll read a book, not play a blizzard game.
The warcraft story was pretty damn awesome and well written until they ran out of idea because WoW don't let them time to think enough stuff.
I do think WC3 had the best story out of any blizzard game, but it falls really short when you compare it to other mediums (books / film) or even other video games.
On February 27 2013 05:31 Ender2701 wrote: Hm I think they should stick to the previous trailer but maybe that's just because I'm not very interested in the story.
The other one felt much more clean and impressive. This one just looked like every other game trailer you see.
The first one was WAY better, not even close. This trailer is a huge letdown IMHO.
I don't know, I kind of think people expect too much. They obviously don't want to reveal half the audio clips from the campaign and already give you a puzzle to start completely unscrambling before the game even releases. Of course they're going to recycle a bit.
On February 27 2013 05:32 nomyx wrote: Blizzard's stories have always been weak, even WC3 and D2 were pretty cringe worthy and trope infested. If I want a good story I'll read a book, not play a blizzard game.
On February 27 2013 05:34 Master of DalK wrote: SHE HAD A MOTHERFUCKING PSI BLADE HOLY SHIT
Zeratul will be back, I can feel it.
of course Zeratul is like the ultimate cockroach (in a good way) no matter if you drop a nuclear bomb on his planet, step on him and his family he just always manages to reappear hah.
On February 27 2013 05:32 nomyx wrote: Blizzard's stories have always been weak, even WC3 and D2 were pretty cringe worthy and trope infested. If I want a good story I'll read a book, not play a blizzard game.
The warcraft story was pretty damn awesome and well written until they ran out of idea because WoW don't let them time to think enough stuff.
I do think WC3 had the best story out of any blizzard game, but it falls really short when you compare it to other mediums (books / film) or even other video games.
It's hard to have good storyline in games anyway. Those who have the best story are often adaptation from a book, like TheWitcher.
On February 27 2013 05:32 nomyx wrote: Blizzard's stories have always been weak, even WC3 and D2 were pretty cringe worthy and trope infested. If I want a good story I'll read a book, not play a blizzard game.
Implying tropes are a bad thing...
Tropes are okay, but an over abundance of them (trope infested) doesn't do the story justice.
On February 27 2013 05:29 Requizen wrote: "I never gave up on you" - Raynor
WAS MOST OF BROOD WAR FORGOTTEN? He totally wrote her off as an evil whore after she + Show Spoiler +
killed Fenix
and vowed to kill her when he had the chance.
LORE BLIZZARD, LORE
ehh... tbh i think this is more believable than you state it to be.. do you really think he wouldn't have any feelings for her anymore? and since he obviously does, do you think he wouldn't want, if even only a slight chance, to try to get her back as well as redeem himself for what he feels (even though it isn't) is his fault for happening (her becoming the queen of blades).
I didn't think this trailer was that great, they're going in way too hard at making her sympathetic and I think it's kind of corny. Even before she got turned human in WoL, Blizzard has been very strange about handling Kerrigan's character and they'll probably never get her back to her Queen Bitch of the Universe status.
I haven't been following SC2/HOTS for awhile, anyone know what that thing is at 1:24 into the trailer. The Black colored orange line creature in the jungle.
On February 27 2013 05:29 Requizen wrote: "I never gave up on you" - Raynor
WAS MOST OF BROOD WAR FORGOTTEN? He totally wrote her off as an evil whore after she + Show Spoiler +
killed Fenix
and vowed to kill her when he had the chance.
LORE BLIZZARD, LORE
ehh... tbh i think this is more believable than you state it to be.. do you really think he wouldn't have any feelings for her anymore? and since he obviously does, do you think he wouldn't want, if even only a slight chance, to try to get her back as well as redeem himself for what he feels (even though it isn't) is his fault for happening (her becoming the queen of blades).
Also there was that whole protoss portion of the campaign implying "if kerrigan dies the universe is fucked". And an artifact that potentially "Cured kerrigan".
On February 27 2013 05:29 Requizen wrote: "I never gave up on you" - Raynor
WAS MOST OF BROOD WAR FORGOTTEN? He totally wrote her off as an evil whore after she + Show Spoiler +
killed Fenix
and vowed to kill her when he had the chance.
LORE BLIZZARD, LORE
ehh... tbh i think this is more believable than you state it to be.. do you really think he wouldn't have any feelings for her anymore? and since he obviously does, do you think he wouldn't want, if even only a slight chance, to try to get her back as well as redeem himself for what he feels (even though it isn't) is his fault for happening (her becoming the queen of blades).
People dont care, they just want to hate on blizzard because its not the exact story that they themselves want even if their own version is worse to everybody else.
On February 27 2013 05:29 Requizen wrote: "I never gave up on you" - Raynor
WAS MOST OF BROOD WAR FORGOTTEN? He totally wrote her off as an evil whore after she + Show Spoiler +
killed Fenix
and vowed to kill her when he had the chance.
LORE BLIZZARD, LORE
ehh... tbh i think this is more believable than you state it to be.. do you really think he wouldn't have any feelings for her anymore? and since he obviously does, do you think he wouldn't want, if even only a slight chance, to try to get her back as well as redeem himself for what he feels (even though it isn't) is his fault for happening (her becoming the queen of blades).
I agree, but I think that they are focusing too much on the whole "jimmy loves sarah" storyline. Broodwar contained some more layers than Raynor's tragical story. I really hope HotS will contain some deeper plot lines than WoL.
But overall, I'm a multi player freak anyway. I'll finish the campaign in a few stints and will go back to laddering after that. Unless they fuck up completely, I expect to be decently entertained.
On February 27 2013 05:39 Pleiades wrote: I haven't been following SC2/HOTS for awhile, anyone know what that thing is at 1:24 into the trailer. The Black colored orange line creature in the jungle.
New species assimilated by Zerg most likely, as something like that is part of the campaign.
On February 27 2013 05:39 Mambo wrote: Question asked:
Will there ever be a starcraft movie?
Answer:
We like telling the story of starcraft through the game trailers. So we would like that.
Did he even answer the question?
You can't answer a question like that. You can't say "no!", because you never know. Meanwhile if they're actually making a starcraft movie, he can't reveal it before he's actually allowed to. He answered it as best he could.
But considering the retarded amount of work that goes into making the tiny clips you see in the game, a full movie is going to take absolutely forever and/or cost amazing amount of money. The only other people I know of who have done something similar is SquareEnix with their 2 Final Fantasy movies, one which sucked, and the other (which was actually really good) lost them a lot of money.
On February 27 2013 05:31 Ender2701 wrote: Hm I think they should stick to the previous trailer but maybe that's just because I'm not very interested in the story.
The other one felt much more clean and impressive. This one just looked like every other game trailer you see.
The first one was WAY better, not even close. This trailer is a huge letdown IMHO.
Firt one was a cinematic not a trailer....
Who cares, the cinematic would do perfectly fine as a trailer. A lot better than this new one.
On February 27 2013 05:35 Jenia6109 wrote: Trailer =/= Cinematic Why do you compare uncomparable?
what is the difference between a trailer and a cinematic?
Blizzard cinematic = a lot of CGI from one important moment in the series (Arthas killing his father, Kerrigan killing zerg in WoL, ect). Trailer = Gives more information about the game, basically a TV / Film trailer.
I wish Kerrigan could be just evil. It didn't ruin bw, why would it ruin sc2?
I don't really mind blizzard doing what they think is the best for the story, but I can't help but feel that they are bending the story so the players won't have to play the evil side :/ And trying to find some sort of weird middle ground sounds even worse.
trailer and lore/singleplayers discussion? after they used only progamer and shoutcaster twitters to promote this #vengeance my expectations were maybe a bit too high lol
On February 27 2013 05:43 Torte de Lini wrote: WTF CrazyMoving? He's been irrelevant for more than a year .___________.
They probably choosed this out of all Grubby's replays because it's probably an "awesome" game that showcases HotS in all its might, like the battle reports. Don't expect the most abusive shit you see on the ladder...
On February 27 2013 05:35 Jenia6109 wrote: Trailer =/= Cinematic Why do you compare uncomparable?
what is the difference between a trailer and a cinematic?
Trailer is a mix of different parts of the game (CG cinematics, in-game cinematics, gameplay) Cinematic is a story-related mini-movie. CG cinematic is like Holliwood mini-movie.
On February 27 2013 05:38 Shantastic wrote: Hard to enjoy the trailer when it's just a reminder of how much they butchered so many aspects of the plot from SC1...
When that one guy (I think it was Metzen) called Kerrigan Jim's girlfriend, I banged my head on my desk...
The clichés in the trailer didn't help either...
in BW i felt there were more plots, more view points on the events, in sc2 it's more like narrated from a champ perspective (wol - jim, hots- sarra and lov prbl zerathul). sc2 lore also lacks the ideology wars that were embodied in form of protoss tribes, zerg overmind-celebrites and kerrigan and various terran generals and jim
On February 27 2013 05:45 AlternativeEgo wrote: Wasn't it supposed to be Grubby, Lucifron, Stephano and White_Ra? Or have I mixed it up with something else?
On February 27 2013 05:45 AlternativeEgo wrote: Wasn't it supposed to be Grubby, Lucifron, Stephano and White_Ra? Or have I mixed it up with something else?
On February 27 2013 05:45 AlternativeEgo wrote: Wasn't it supposed to be Grubby, Lucifron, Stephano and White_Ra? Or have I mixed it up with something else?
On February 27 2013 05:45 AlternativeEgo wrote: Wasn't it supposed to be Grubby, Lucifron, Stephano and White_Ra? Or have I mixed it up with something else?
On February 27 2013 05:29 zul wrote: hmm, not that hyped. I will still buy hots though.
You people.. holy crap..
As far as Blizzard titles go, do not go to their biggest communities, people will just constantly shit on everything. It's really a downer :/
It`s not about shiting on everything or on something in particular.
I was hyped by the very similar video that came out only weeks ago, but this one ... it almost feels the same and I wasn`t surprised at all. Even worse, I was disappointed because I expected something new and did not get what I was hoping for. If I dont get what I was hoping for AND I dont get surprised ... what reaction do you expect? "meh"
On February 27 2013 05:29 zul wrote: hmm, not that hyped. I will still buy hots though.
You people.. holy crap..
As far as Blizzard titles go, do not go to their biggest communities, people will just constantly shit on everything. It's really a downer :/
It`s not about shiting on everything or on something in particular.
I was hyped by the very similar video that came out only weeks ago, but this one ... it almost feels the same and I wasn`t surprised at all. Even worse, I was disappointed because I expected something new and did not get what I was hoping for. If I dont get was I was hoping for AND I dont get surprised ... what reaction do you expect? "meh"
On February 27 2013 05:45 Schelim wrote: was it really necessary to record the showmatch in total biscuit's basement or something?
It's sad to say, but TB's production is so much better than this it's depressing. He has insane visual and audio quality, he'd never put out anything that looks this bad.
wow, such a showmatch worthy of such hype, such an event worthy of such hype. its like EG took over the marketing or something, weeks of build up revealed to be a whole lot of nothing. i wish slasher leaked it.
On February 27 2013 05:45 AlternativeEgo wrote: Wasn't it supposed to be Grubby, Lucifron, Stephano and White_Ra? Or have I mixed it up with something else?
That's for the HotS launch party on march 11
this is most likely a replay
That's the one. Oh well, might as well watch this.
only reason to keep watching this is the players and casters tbh. not the worst thing one could say, but i would've expected somewhat decent quality from blizzard.
On February 27 2013 05:42 11cc wrote: I wish Kerrigan could be just evil. It didn't ruin bw, why would it ruin sc2?
I don't really mind blizzard doing what they think is the best for the story, but I can't help but feel that they are bending the story so the players won't have to play the evil side :/ And trying to find some sort of weird middle ground sounds even worse.
Well you get what is currently popular. And currently popular is that you get deeply involved with one character. And the badass evil villain is not popular at the moment. But the "I am not evil" villain.
In SC1 you had the standard silent protagonist who just listened to people talk without seeing what they really felt at that moment. When Jimmy swore eternal vengeance against Kerrigan, I was like yeah sure you do ... till you get the chance to save her. Because thats the Jimmy we know and loved from the campaign. Kerrigan was more the poor mind controlled thing for me though. Those have the most badass effect anyway.
tips for people on the internet.. if you want to enjoy something, dont whine about it compulsively. if there is a discrepancy in your expectations vs reality there is a chance it is because of your expectations are not realistic
heh, this kinda feels like watching some small EU tournament where the stream has kinda bad quality and players are running around doing immortal all-ins and shit.
On February 27 2013 05:51 Prplppleatr wrote: This replay has to be so ridiculously old...haven't seen grubby play like this since the beta first came out.....terrible
On February 27 2013 05:52 Dundron2000 wrote: tips for people on the internet.. if you want to enjoy something, dont whine about it compulsively. if there is a discrepancy in your expectations vs reality there is a chance it is because of your expectations are not realistic
our expectations are not realistic? i was expecting a decent quality stream of a good match and a trailer that isnt a rehash of the previous one. god forbid.
On February 27 2013 05:52 Dundron2000 wrote: tips for people on the internet.. if you want to enjoy something, dont whine about it compulsively. if there is a discrepancy in your expectations vs reality there is a chance it is because of your expectations are not realistic
our expectations are not realistic? i was expecting a decent quality stream of a good match and a trailer that isnt a rehash of the previous one. god forbid.
The first time i saw the trailer my reaction was "meh" aswell, but after rewatching it 4-5 times i can assure you it is so well done and the story will be wonderful.
On February 27 2013 05:56 stichtom wrote: The first time i saw the trailer my reaction was "meh" aswell, but after rewatching it 4-5 times i can assure you it is so well done and the story will be wonderful.
story seems to be more dynamic now. A kind of pressure cane be felt in the plot
On February 27 2013 05:56 stichtom wrote: The first time i saw the trailer my reaction was "meh" aswell, but after rewatching it 4-5 times i can assure you it is so well done and the story will be wonderful.
you obviously didn't play bw, or don't remember it. the story is already off the fucking rails completely. jim HAD given up on kerrigan, and now he's all up-in-arms over her again (started on WoL). if you look at the whole picture, the story is typical shit from blizzard. I can't speak for WC3 as people have said it wasn't bad.,
On February 27 2013 05:56 stichtom wrote: The first time i saw the trailer my reaction was "meh" aswell, but after rewatching it 4-5 times i can assure you it is so well done and the story will be wonderful.
story seems to be more dynamic now. A kind of pressure cane be felt in the plot
Exactly. There's just so much more at stake for the characters, not some abstract idea of an evil being. Part of it is we have such a great protagonist for this chapter, too.
In any case, I don't think we'll be getting that leaked ending.
On February 27 2013 05:59 Maesy wrote: Can definitely the players were told to showcase every new unit and changes to old units and just take every base on the map xD
Yeah, watching this game it seems kind of..staged.
Zerg had it won a couple of times and just kind of sat :c
On February 27 2013 05:59 Maesy wrote: Can definitely the players were told to showcase every new unit and changes to old units and just take every base on the map xD
Yeah, watching this game it seems kind of..staged.
Zerg had it won a couple of times and just kind of sat :c
more likely they played a bo7 and took the best replay
On February 27 2013 06:01 Heartland wrote: Who will be the first Zerg to kill an important building with the Vipers energy regen ability?
GSTL match, I watched 3 extractors die in one match from it. In a different match the zerg used it and his hatchery was at 100 HP, 3 zealots came in and sniped it.
On February 27 2013 06:01 Heartland wrote: Who will be the first Zerg to kill an important building with the Vipers energy regen ability?
GSTL match, I watched 3 extractors die in one match from it. In a different match the zerg used it and his hatchery was at 100 HP, 3 zealots came in and sniped it.
On February 27 2013 06:01 Heartland wrote: Who will be the first Zerg to kill an important building with the Vipers energy regen ability?
GSTL match, I watched 3 extractors die in one match from it. In a different match the zerg used it and his hatchery was at 100 HP, 3 zealots came in and sniped it.
Haha! What player?
I don't even remember honestly, I watch VODs when I wake up and I'm often too sleepy. It wasn't a well known player though.
On February 27 2013 06:01 NightOfTheDead wrote: Is this match scripted? Building ultras all the way vs voids and tempests.
Yeah it seems a little scripted ^^. Haven't seen any Swarm Host though
Definately scripted...there's no way Grubby would have waited that long to cast storms on the Hydras other than the fact that it makes each engagement close and thus an "exciting" showmatch. Grubby should and could have walked through him at that moment.
On February 27 2013 06:01 Heartland wrote: Who will be the first Zerg to kill an important building with the Vipers energy regen ability?
GSTL match, I watched 3 extractors die in one match from it. In a different match the zerg used it and his hatchery was at 100 HP, 3 zealots came in and sniped it.
Haha! What player?
Look for a longer ZvP/T maches in GSTL it happend few times, usually the zerg was draining mp from exp (hatch or gas) that was the nearest to the push front
The blizzard guys are talking too much, we want the trailer ! The trailer is bad, I'm disapointed ! The stream is bad ! The players aren't interessing ! The game is scripted !
On February 27 2013 06:08 YuiHirasawa wrote: Call me paranoid but I feel like everything in this showmatch is staged. Maybe I am wrong but this meta just doesn't feel "right".
Absolutely zero chance of that, if you knew Grubby. He will always fight his absolute best no matter the circumstance.
On February 27 2013 06:08 YuiHirasawa wrote: Call me paranoid but I feel like everything in this showmatch is staged. Maybe I am wrong but this meta just doesn't feel "right".
I wouldn't be surprised, but to play devil's advocate HotS is a new game and the "standard" hasn't been found out yet. A lot of experimentation from both sides.
On February 27 2013 06:08 YuiHirasawa wrote: Call me paranoid but I feel like everything in this showmatch is staged. Maybe I am wrong but this meta just doesn't feel "right".
Then don't watch it? I mean should we try to counter-argument that possibility? Not gonna happen.
On February 27 2013 06:09 Noocta wrote: Damn you people...
The blizzard guys are talking too much, we want the trailer ! The trailer is bad, I'm disapointed ! The stream is bad ! The players aren't interessing ! The game is scripted !
Can you just let off ? ><
I loved everything and even love this game even if it is scripted (which it seems to be). It's not necessarily an insult. It's a showmatch and they want to show off HotS after their big Vengeance debut. Nothing surprising.
On February 27 2013 06:08 YuiHirasawa wrote: Call me paranoid but I feel like everything in this showmatch is staged. Maybe I am wrong but this meta just doesn't feel "right".
Staged fight and scripted cast. We should probably e-mail something.
On February 27 2013 06:09 Noocta wrote: Damn you people...
The blizzard guys are talking too much, we want the trailer ! The trailer is bad, I'm disapointed ! The stream is bad ! The players aren't interessing ! The game is scripted !
On February 27 2013 06:05 Qikz wrote: Every game I see with zerg against storm they never bother dodging them.
:/
Even with the quikest Hydra, they don't bother spliting and running out of them like terran do with Bio. I don't understand either
They'll have to adapt to it with the fragile hydralisks. I'd imagine most zergs are just used to taking storms in the face because of 145 HP roaches
We don't let 125hp marauders sit in storm so heh
Heh yeah, but admittedly as a Terran I'm used to microing my marines as if my life depended on it (which it does) so it makes sense to move the marauders as well.
Zerg is just a very "tanky" race in SC2, much more than brood war.
On February 27 2013 06:09 Musicus wrote: Crazymoving has pretty good control, if he was 1 base ahead instead of behind he might have stood a chance.
I saw nothing really impressive out of Crazy movings control to be honest. I've seen him micro well in other games but it just wasn't there in this game. His Viper control was pretty horrible to be blunt and he let his Hydras eat storms completely.
Call me paranoid but I feel like everything in this showmatch is staged. Maybe I am wrong but this meta just doesn't feel "right".
Implying HotS has any semblance of Meta right now, the game hasn't even been released and Pro's are struggling to fully understand how to use the new units.
Zerg has no anti-caster spells like Protoss and Terran have. With fungal now a projectile, there's no reason for HTs not to feedback a lot more infestors. So infestors will be near useless once the templar archives is down. That's going to be an issue in ZvP with the already dismal amount of zerg anti-air, particularly anti-protoss-air.
On February 27 2013 06:12 Megiddosc wrote: Zerg has no anti-caster spells like Protoss and Terran have. With fungal now a projectile, there's no reason for HTs not to feedback a lot more infestors. So infestors will be near useless once the templar archives is down. That's going to be an issue in ZvP with the already dismal amount of zerg anti-air, particularly anti-protoss-air.
Infestors are still really good, you saw just then he got some crazy good fungals against the templar.
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
Have you considered that it was just one person offering his own opinion on the matter? No need to get worked up over it, not like we're taking out our pitch forks over here.
On February 27 2013 06:12 Megiddosc wrote: Zerg has no anti-caster spells like Protoss and Terran have. With fungal now a projectile, there's no reason for HTs not to feedback a lot more infestors. So infestors will be near useless once the templar archives is down. That's going to be an issue in ZvP with the already dismal amount of zerg anti-air, particularly anti-protoss-air.
you could always fire that fungal earlier and land on templar right when it enters the range
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
Have you considered that it was just one person offering his own opinion on the matter? No need to get worked up over it, not like we're taking out our pitch forks here.
I guess if you don't read the whole thread then it's easy to think such things.
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
Not saying you guys sat around in a circle and even the cast was scripted and you went through notes and practiced and shit TB. It was just really out of the norm to see how that was played out punch for punch and grubby even forward expanding to one of those middle bases as Protoss on Daybreak (I can't remember the last time I saw that shit).
On February 27 2013 06:09 Noocta wrote: Damn you people...
The blizzard guys are talking too much, we want the trailer ! The trailer is bad, I'm disapointed ! The stream is bad ! The players aren't interessing ! The game is scripted !
Can you just let off ? ><
I loved everything and even love this game even if it is scripted (which it seems to be). It's not necessarily an insult. It's a showmatch and they want to show off HotS after their big Vengeance debut. Nothing surprising.
why would it be staged? maybe they just played several games and picked the most interesting game. that would probably be quicker than replaying a game enough times to make it "believable" enough. and how do they decide who gets to win? and why would players, whos marketability depends on skill and entertaining playstyles compromise to play worse?
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
Thank you John for saying it, even if the more butthurt of them will just imagine you"re lying or whatnot. I swear, people sometimes...
Coming to these threads so often actually decreases my mood :/ Live report threads on GSL and co. are just as often filled with negativity and whine, sometimes I wonder if I wouldn't be better off avoiding them.
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
I liked the game, even though the zerg did stay on a very low drone count and didn't bother to micro his hydras out of the storms, which made it more one-sided in the end than it could have been.
I think the old battle reports have made people become really nitpicky when it comes to showmatches.
On February 27 2013 06:05 Qikz wrote: Every game I see with zerg against storm they never bother dodging them.
:/
Even with the quikest Hydra, they don't bother spliting and running out of them like terran do with Bio. I don't understand either
They'll have to adapt to it with the fragile hydralisks. I'd imagine most zergs are just used to taking storms in the face because of 145 HP roaches
Hydralisks with speed upgrade still move ~25% slower than Marines/Marauders with Stim. I think Marines and Marauders both have ridiculous animation cancel too, meaning the actual frames needed to perform an attack are a lot lower than any other unit.
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
I don't think the game was scripted, i just think it was a horrendous choice....one of the least entertaining hots games i've seen...soooo many better ones out there, I'm simply disappointed at the choice of this one (no early game harassment which grubby normally does, no swarm hosts, no oracle harass...so many entertaining things missing that I normally see grubby doing I just don't get why they chose this replay)
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
Have you considered that it was just one person offering his own opinion on the matter? No need to get worked up over it, not like we're taking out our pitch forks here.
I guess if you don't read the whole thread then it's easy to think such things.
I have in fact read the whole thread, and I did enjoy the game. But jumping to negativity at every comment isn't the best way to approach this community. Not the mention it only hurts a persons psyche.
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
Not saying you guys sat around in a circle and even the cast was scripted and you went through notes and practiced and shit TB. It was just really out of the norm to see how that was played out punch for punch and grubby even forward expanding to one of those middle bases as Protoss on Daybreak (I can't remember the last time I saw that shit).
I enjoyed it regardless personally.
This is going to sound silly, but he had the side 4 bases, where else can he expand but forward?
Also I really hope they get rid of Daybreak, it's not "a classic", it's awful to play and watch.
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
I don't think the game was scripted, i just think it was a horrendous choice....one of the least entertaining hots games i've seen...soooo many better ones out there, I'm simply disappointed at the choice of this one (no early game harassment which grubby normally does, no swarm hosts, no oracle harass...so many entertaining things missing that I normally see grubby doing I just don't get why they chose this replay)
Yeah watching his live stream the past couple days I would've loved to see one of his games vs Idra. Now those were hype.
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
I liked the game, even though the zerg did stay on a very low drone count and didn't bother to micro his hydras out of the storms, which made it more one-sided in the end than it could have been.
I think the old battle reports have made people become really nitpicky when it comes to showmatches.
The old battle reports were more of an advertisement really. I personally can't wait until we have the launch event and see what kind of cool stuff comes out + Show Spoiler +
I thought everything was pretty awesome, other than the delayed start. People don't seem to realize that this is a preview. The game isn't even out yet. They are going to have a 24 hour launch event, is that what you expected today? We got to hear a good amount about the story in HotS and we also got to see a pretty cool and entertaining showmatch which showcased some interesting additions in HotS. What the hell else do you want?!?! You got what you were told you were going to get. Maybe your expectations were just too high because the community blows literally everything out of proportion.
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
I don't think the game was scripted, i just think it was a horrendous choice....one of the least entertaining hots games i've seen...soooo many better ones out there, I'm simply disappointed at the choice of this one (no early game harassment which grubby normally does, no swarm hosts, no oracle harass...so many entertaining things missing that I normally see grubby doing I just don't get why they chose this replay)
You would've been really pissed if Grubby went for some early harassment and straight up killed crazymoving though wouldn't you. Not like we've never seen that before.
On February 27 2013 06:12 Megiddosc wrote: Zerg has no anti-caster spells like Protoss and Terran have. With fungal now a projectile, there's no reason for HTs not to feedback a lot more infestors. So infestors will be near useless once the templar archives is down. That's going to be an issue in ZvP with the already dismal amount of zerg anti-air, particularly anti-protoss-air.
Infestors are still really good, you saw just then he got some crazy good fungals against the templar.
You mean it's bad that infestor is a support unit not super-only-unit-to-build type? Oo
So for those put off by the quality, I'm told there was a last-minute issue with the stream which caused issues with the playback quality of the match. This is what it was supposed to look like vs what it actually was
Not really sure where the words scripted/staged came from anyways so sorry for even using it in my posts. I guess what I'm trying to say is both players were obviously there to put on a show, hence showmatch and they obviously went out of their way to make an epic game because nobody wants to see a rush or mid game timing push for a showmatch like this.
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
Okay, um, I agree with your general point, the negativity in these threads is senseless, but wtf? Why would anyone ever not take their customers seriously?
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
Not saying you guys sat around in a circle and even the cast was scripted and you went through notes and practiced and shit TB. It was just really out of the norm to see how that was played out punch for punch and grubby even forward expanding to one of those middle bases as Protoss on Daybreak (I can't remember the last time I saw that shit).
I enjoyed it regardless personally.
This is going to sound silly, but he had the side 4 bases, where else can he expand but forward?
Also I really hope they get rid of Daybreak, it's not "a classic", it's awful to play and watch.
That's not exactly what I meant xD. More so the game always ends before that.
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
Not saying you guys sat around in a circle and even the cast was scripted and you went through notes and practiced and shit TB. It was just really out of the norm to see how that was played out punch for punch and grubby even forward expanding to one of those middle bases as Protoss on Daybreak (I can't remember the last time I saw that shit).
I enjoyed it regardless personally.
Watch his stream bro. He's an experimental player, he'll do stuff like that all the time.
one thing to consider is Blizz may have asked them to play X amount of games and then picked the best one for the showmatch. it's how i would do it tbh.
On February 27 2013 06:12 Megiddosc wrote: Zerg has no anti-caster spells like Protoss and Terran have. With fungal now a projectile, there's no reason for HTs not to feedback a lot more infestors. So infestors will be near useless once the templar archives is down. That's going to be an issue in ZvP with the already dismal amount of zerg anti-air, particularly anti-protoss-air.
Infestors are still really good, you saw just then he got some crazy good fungals against the templar.
You mean it's bad that infestor is a support unit not super-only-unit-to-build type? Oo
I mean it's bad that zerg anti air (hydras) is hard countered by templar and that the templar also hard counter infestors via feedback. Do you not recognize just how weak zerg anti air is? Corrupters just melt to VRs. Hydras melt to storms.
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
Not saying you guys sat around in a circle and even the cast was scripted and you went through notes and practiced and shit TB. It was just really out of the norm to see how that was played out punch for punch and grubby even forward expanding to one of those middle bases as Protoss on Daybreak (I can't remember the last time I saw that shit).
I enjoyed it regardless personally.
Watch his stream bro. He's an experimental player, he'll do stuff like that all the time.
Oh I know. I think Grubby is solely responsible for Time Warp being taken off of the Oracle :D
On February 27 2013 06:20 blackone wrote: Okay, um, I agree with your general point, the negativity in these threads is senseless, but wtf? Why would anyone ever not take their customers seriously?
Because customers are generally pretty stupid and don't know what they want. Also you're often not our customers.
I'm not speaking for Blizzard here, I'm speaking for the people who work professionally within the scene that have to consistently roll their eyes or want to punch a baby when they read the "feedback" from the community in threads like these. In this case I guess we can just laugh at how ridiculous an idea that Grubby of all people would put on a "staged, scripted" showmatch.
On February 27 2013 06:19 TotalBiscuit wrote: So for those put off by the quality, I'm told there was a last-minute issue with the stream which caused issues with the playback quality of the match. This is what it was supposed to look like vs what it actually was
On February 27 2013 06:12 Megiddosc wrote: Zerg has no anti-caster spells like Protoss and Terran have. With fungal now a projectile, there's no reason for HTs not to feedback a lot more infestors. So infestors will be near useless once the templar archives is down. That's going to be an issue in ZvP with the already dismal amount of zerg anti-air, particularly anti-protoss-air.
Infestors are still really good, you saw just then he got some crazy good fungals against the templar.
You mean it's bad that infestor is a support unit not super-only-unit-to-build type? Oo
I mean it's bad that zerg anti air (hydras) is hard countered by templar and that the templar also hard counter infestors via feedback. Do you not recognize just how weak zerg anti air is? Corrupters just melt to VRs. Hydras melt to storms.
Well planing and distributing resourses were not in most zergs' minds in WoL. Being put closer to other races hurts so much ; (
On February 27 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Loooooooooooooooooool at armchair analysts that thought that game was scripted.
And you wonder why those working within the scene don't take the community seriously.
The more people think it was scripted, the more successful was the showmatch, atleast if the aim was to showcase HotS. I think Grubby and CrazymovING did a wonderful job there for anyone unfamiliar with HotS.
Mind turned off anyway seeing Sarah using Psyblade, even if its just a dream.
Did not see the vengeance trailer as I tuned in a bit too late, and if you believe people in here it lagged anyway so no biggy =)
However, I watched it just now on youtube and it was just great - made a good impression on what to expect in Singleplayer. Don't see why people shit on every little detail THEY THINK is bad <_<
On February 27 2013 06:20 blackone wrote: Okay, um, I agree with your general point, the negativity in these threads is senseless, but wtf? Why would anyone ever not take their customers seriously?
Because customers are generally pretty stupid and don't know what they want. Also you're often not our customers.
I'm not speaking for Blizzard here, I'm speaking for the people who work professionally within the scene that have to consistently roll their eyes or want to punch a baby when they read the "feedback" from the community in threads like these. In this case I guess we can just laugh at how ridiculous an idea that Grubby of all people would put on a "staged, scripted" showmatch.
THis was actually the best post about user feedback I ever read.
I AM working semi professionally within the scene, and have to agree. Customers are generally pretty damn stupid
If that match were staged it would have been BL/Infestor losing to new units. I expected crazymoving to go muta based on his WoL play, but he's clearly good at using new compositions.
Well i agree kinda that the match wasnt scripted, but it FELT a little bit that way. Doesnt mean it was scripted, but you could see the players were taking it a little bit easy and didnt "go for the kill". I enjoyed that match, dont get me wrong, but at least they played kinda.. not as good as they could :/
I like Blizzard doing more for HotS, the, what, hour long livestream for Pandaria was kind of meh. And the trailer is nice, didn't see the showmatch though I hope to catch up later. Not their best perhaps, but the tone is set and pretty much matches what you'd expect from a middle part of a trilogy.
I just want the damn game now tbh And an ultralisk for the office. Come on Blizzard, I'll only need it for like an hour..
On February 27 2013 06:36 BlackCompany wrote: Well i agree kinda that the match wasnt scripted, but it FELT a little bit that way. Doesnt mean it was scripted, but you could see the players were taking it a little bit easy and didnt "go for the kill". I enjoyed that match, dont get me wrong, but at least they played kinda.. not as good as they could :/
To be fair, I wish more showmatches would be taken more lightly! There should be a difference between training, showmatch and tournament games. Showmatches should be there to show off. There is nothing on the line, so the excitment should be created differently.
On February 27 2013 06:36 BlackCompany wrote: Well i agree kinda that the match wasnt scripted, but it FELT a little bit that way. Doesnt mean it was scripted, but you could see the players were taking it a little bit easy and didnt "go for the kill". I enjoyed that match, dont get me wrong, but at least they played kinda.. not as good as they could :/
To be fair, I wish more showmatches would be taken more lightly! There should be a difference between training, showmatch and tournament games. Showmatches should be there to show off. There is nothing on the line, so the excitment should be created differently.
Well there is nothing wrong with not going super serious in a showmatch. For example, I HATE showmatchs where a player just 11/11 rax three times in a row. I don't need a showmatch for that. But when you are already 60 or more supply ahead.. just go win the f*cking game^^
On February 27 2013 06:35 Tachion wrote: I thought the 2nd part of the vengeance trailer was pretty badass. 1:10 onward. I like where she starts beating the shit out of jimmy >:D
Seeing the trailer i cannot stop thinking of one of the best Polish comedy scene from Sexmission (Wiki link) the line goes more or less :"woman is beating me...[QQ] i surrender... you all just give me a break"
They kinda built this up too much. Not totally hating, the trailer was pretty cool, but I'd almost rather they just saved all of this for the game. The other cinematic they showed was better and got the job done.
On February 27 2013 07:07 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: meh, a bit disappointing. Kerrigan mad! Jimmy Sad! Zerg gonna be good guys!
The zerg do NOT look like they are going to be good guys by any stretch of the imagination. If anything, it looks like the player as Kerrigan is going to be forced to do some very bad things. The whole tone of the game feels much darker, more grim. There's going to be plenty of internal conflict (hopefully) in this one, more ambiguity.
Honestly, Star Wars is to WoL, what Empire is to Hots. The original Star Wars for all its Force talk was still just a pretty big space adventure. It isn’t until Empire that things start to get a bit more personal and intimate…and dark.
While it was slightly underwhelming I'm getting more and more excited to get HotS so I guess Blizzard is doing a good job of advertising (Even though I was going to get it anyways)
On February 27 2013 07:07 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: meh, a bit disappointing. Kerrigan mad! Jimmy Sad! Zerg gonna be good guys!
The zerg do NOT look like they are going to be good guys by any stretch of the imagination. If anything, it looks like the player as Kerrigan is going to be forced to do some very bad things. The whole tone of the game feels much darker, more grim. There's going to be plenty of internal conflict (hopefully) in this one, more ambiguity.
Honestly, Star Wars is to WoL, what Empire is to Hots. The original Star Wars for all its Force talk was still just a pretty big space adventure. It isn’t until Empire that things start to get a bit more personal and intimate…and dark.
We'll see :p
I really hope you're right too, but something tells me this is the future of Zerg despite the dark tone:
On February 27 2013 07:24 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
And Star Wars is to WoL? Blasphemy! WoL story-wise is to the Phantom Menace
Oh damn. You are so right! I actually liked Star Wars, whereas with PH & WoL campaign both, I anticipated and anticipated and eventually left with limp dick.
On February 27 2013 05:35 Garfailed wrote: lol after the trailer ended, stream views dropped by like 20k
To be sincere I quit the stream, because twitch.tv is never and I mean NEVER, up to expectations. It is always lagging, I must still see one serious event where lag is not omnipresent.
On February 27 2013 05:35 Garfailed wrote: lol after the trailer ended, stream views dropped by like 20k
To be sincere I quit the stream, because twitch.tv is never and I mean NEVER, up to expectations. It is always lagging, I must still see one serious event where lag is not omnipresent.
poor europeans i never lag on twitch nowadays.
As European (Polish) i have no problems with Twitch
On February 27 2013 07:27 discator wrote: IM FUCKIN HYPED FOR HOTS DUDE CANT FUCKIN WAIT
On February 27 2013 05:35 Garfailed wrote: lol after the trailer ended, stream views dropped by like 20k
To be sincere I quit the stream, because twitch.tv is never and I mean NEVER, up to expectations. It is always lagging, I must still see one serious event where lag is not omnipresent.
poor europeans i never lag on twitch nowadays.
As European (Polish) i have no problems with Twitch
On February 27 2013 05:35 Garfailed wrote: lol after the trailer ended, stream views dropped by like 20k
To be sincere I quit the stream, because twitch.tv is never and I mean NEVER, up to expectations. It is always lagging, I must still see one serious event where lag is not omnipresent.
poor europeans i never lag on twitch nowadays.
Never had any issues with any kind of lag on Twitch.tv either. Not sure why some experience lag and other don't.
I just want to say how awesome 0:45-1:05 of the trailer is. Those 20 sec got me hyped for the campaign. It feels like they've stepped up from WoL campaign and will make the story more interesting, similar to BW, with back stabbing Kerrigan and stuffs. I sincerely hope this will be the case.
I personally liked the trailer quite a bit, some overly cheesy lines but what else can one expect from Blizzard. Not quite the level of the Ghost of the past trailer for Wings but still very good. To put it in perspective the WoL trailer actually made me buy the game in the first place, before that I was an avid Blizzard hater.
So, is it just me, or does it almost seem like Psi-blade Kerrigan is fighting Queen of Blades Kerrigan
At first I thought that was Zeratul but going frame-by-frame, the hands of her opponent do look like Queen of Blades Kerrigan.. and maybe a side boob shot. Hmmmmm??
So, is it just me, or does it almost seem like Psi-blade Kerrigan is fighting Queen of Blades Kerrigan
At first I thought that was Zeratul but going frame-by-frame, the hands of her opponent do look like Queen of Blades Kerrigan.. and maybe a side boob shot. Hmmmmm??
It could be a case of when the overmind "rebuilt" Kerrigan, he realised that at some point in the future she might try and break away to become human again (as he would have known of the artifact himself). So retroactively he created many versions of Kerrigan/the queen of blades, so if one were to fall/turn human another would stand in it's place.
The structure at the beginning of the trailer is similar to Mengsk's tower... and when she said "this isn't VENGEANCE, this is JUSTICE" this just goes along with the "VENGEANCE" theme blizzard is going with
On February 27 2013 12:10 Imperdest wrote: There is a Huuge spoiler in the video ! D: + Show Spoiler +
1:35 Clearly there are 2 Kerrigans, there is a Kerrigan clon!!. The spoiler was brutal
Its more likely that it is a inner battle between the 'good' kerrigan and the evil 'zergy kerrigan' that is going to occur when she gets enough DNA to get all of her powers pack and enters the pool thing shown in the video. Good will win and thus get control of the new powerful body.
Not sure if I should spoiler this almost all of it is guessed.
On February 27 2013 12:10 Imperdest wrote: There is a Huuge spoiler in the video ! D: + Show Spoiler +
1:35 Clearly there are 2 Kerrigans, there is a Kerrigan clon!!. The spoiler was brutal
Its more likely that it is a inner battle between the 'good' kerrigan and the evil 'zergy kerrigan' that is going to occur when she gets enough DNA to get all of her powers pack and enters the pool thing shown in the video. Good will win and thus get control of the new powerful body.
Not sure if I should spoiler this almost all of it is guessed.
Actually that ghost might be "Echo" (link to SC wikia).
I can't really tell though, my pausing at the right time skills aren't good enough . Let me check to see if it is Echo.
Edit - NVM that's not Echo. The hair isn't the same and the face doesn't look exactly the same either.
It might be Kerrigan after all because the face and hair do look similar to her. The whole cloning thing sounds silly.... I mean Red Alert 3 did that didn't it? And Dustin Browder is from the C&C series? OH NOES! (Also yes, I know DB was at Blizzard long before they worked on RA3 but I still liked to mention it.)
I was hoping it'd be a new ghost like Echo or something than Kerrigan vs Kerrigan cloning. Of course it could be a dream sequence which is also okay.
Hmm I wonder if Echo will ever appear in the SC2 story.
On February 27 2013 12:10 Imperdest wrote: There is a Huuge spoiler in the video ! D: + Show Spoiler +
1:35 Clearly there are 2 Kerrigans, there is a Kerrigan clon!!. The spoiler was brutal
Its more likely that it is a inner battle between the 'good' kerrigan and the evil 'zergy kerrigan' that is going to occur when she gets enough DNA to get all of her powers pack and enters the pool thing shown in the video. Good will win and thus get control of the new powerful body.
Not sure if I should spoiler this almost all of it is guessed.
Actually that ghost might be "Echo" (link to SC wikia).
I can't really tell though, my pausing at the right time skills aren't good enough . Let me check to see if it is Echo.
Edit - NVM that's not Echo. The hair isn't the same and the face doesn't look exactly the same either.
It might be Kerrigan after all because the face and hair do look similar to her. The whole cloning thing sounds silly.... I mean Red Alert 3 did that didn't it? And Dustin Browder is from the C&C series? OH NOES! (Also yes, I know DB was at Blizzard long before they worked on RA3 but I still liked to mention it.
I was hoping it'd be a new ghost like Echo or something than Kerrigan vs Kerrigan cloning. Of course it could be a dream sequence which is also okay.
Hmm I wonder if Echo will ever appear in the SC2 story.
Never heard of echo, could be. Still, I think it is more of a dream sequence.
So, is it just me, or does it almost seem like Psi-blade Kerrigan is fighting Queen of Blades Kerrigan
At first I thought that was Zeratul but going frame-by-frame, the hands of her opponent do look like Queen of Blades Kerrigan.. and maybe a side boob shot. Hmmmmm??
It could be a case of when the overmind "rebuilt" Kerrigan, he realised that at some point in the future she might try and break away to become human again (as he would have known of the artifact himself). So retroactively he created many versions of Kerrigan/the queen of blades, so if one were to fall/turn human another would stand in it's place.
My theory is that it's a "dream" sequence.
We see a few scenes where Kerrigan is in an area with a Xel'Naga aesthetic with her breaking (free?) a crystal while Raynor stands in the back. Her eyes then change, possibly indicating that she goes feral. She then runs towards Raynor.. Although it isn't specified who she is attacking, I think it can be implied that it's Raynor even though we only get a slight glimpse at the victim. And of course, we see human Kerrigan fighting infested Kerrigan.
So I think this is a kind of internal dream sequence where the feral infested Kerrigan breaks free from her Xel'Naga prison that the Xel'Naga artifact from WoL had trapped her (spirit?) in. And then maybe Raynor's presence in this dream represents Kerrigan's love for Raynor or some stupid shit like that. So evil Kerrigan starts attacking Raynor, who is probably a dream Raynor since I don't expect the real Raynor to be heavily injured or killed yet. And then the fully human Kerrigan spirit comes out to defend dream Raynor and defeat the evil Kerrigan spirit.
The result is that the good Kerrigan defeats the evil Kerrigan that has been lying latent inside of her mind the entire time. This dream sequence is probably happening while Kerrigan is trying to get re-infested, possibly to regain as much power as she can so that she can best lead the Zerg in the upcoming fight against the Hybrids. Thus, the re-infested Kerrigan becomes a protagonist in the plot instead of becoming the queen bitch of the galaxy again.
I feel like they definitely leaked too much of the story :/ I avoided a lot of the spoilers that were released awhile ago but they made it really obvious what is going to happen Coulda made for some good twists and character development.
On February 27 2013 15:33 Angel_ wrote: kerrigan is going to kill zeratul. I predict.
Also, very excited for the story if it doesn't turn into a typical blizzard "lets all align and fight the hybrids" shitfest.
Also also, i hope the actual gameplay of the campaign isnt as terrible as WoL (let's make a mission to showcase each unit - blarg)
So excited.
Hm.. I liked the mission dynamics, I liked how each mission had a different mechanic, rather than all missions just consisting of building up an army and steamrolling. It was a very enjoyable campaign.
And it's also very likely to go the way of "everyone aligns vs the enemy", Blizz just does that.
On February 27 2013 15:33 Angel_ wrote: kerrigan is going to kill zeratul. I predict.
Also, very excited for the story if it doesn't turn into a typical blizzard "lets all align and fight the hybrids" shitfest.
Also also, i hope the actual gameplay of the campaign isnt as terrible as WoL (let's make a mission to showcase each unit - blarg)
So excited.
Hm.. I liked the mission dynamics, I liked how each mission had a different mechanic, rather than all missions just consisting of building up an army and steamrolling. It was a very enjoyable campaign.
And it's also very likely to go the way of "everyone aligns vs the enemy", Blizz just does that.
Yeah the missions are good. It's very non-linear. And not non-linear for the sake of non-linear (I like linear play if they have a good reason for it), it's really fun because you can take advantage of certain things by putting off missions until you get better upgrades.
The concept is definitely good.
It's too bad some of which units to use are standard (most units are kind of useless). The concept of upgrades and things like that had potential but most of them aren't good even with upgrades (Diamondbacks are almost inferior to Siege Tanks in every way besides the mission they were introduced in).
(Another example - Wraiths are almost useless outside of the mission they were introduced in.... it was 150/100 in BW, and did not require a tech lab. In SC2, it's 150/150 and requires a tech lab, which means no reactor wraiths.)
I liked that SC2 had an "RPG" element in a way (purchasing upgrades, researching tech, etc). It's a good concept with a lot of potential.
Edit - If I wanted to appeal to the casuals, I'd up (and advertise) the SC2 single player content by a lot. (Also by advertise, I mean advertise the actual gameplay. The story is definitely advertised a lot.)
So I was looking at some steam games and there are a lot of single player only RTS like games. The SC2 campaign has a lot of potential. SC2 wants to draw in more players? Then advertise the single player just as much as its multiplayer.
The SP doesn't even have to just be the storyline, they could make like 40 "bonus" (maybe community made?) missions with barely any story (and if they want, not even connected to the main plot) and just feature a ton of the RPG elements... (like branching missions in WoL with new units, etc). Of course, there needs to be achievements and portrait and decal rewards to make it more fun!
I could do probably do a mission per like 2 hours of using the map editor... (In terms of the scripts and triggers and the concept, it'd probably be like 1 hour per mission while another hour of trying to figure out the Terrain).
(This has to be after I put everything I need for the entire campaign in a mod file. The galaxy editor is really slow sometimes in terms of loading. When I click on the actors tab, it takes 5 seconds to load. Though in my custom melee maps, a lot of the stuff is already there.)
I could also think of like 5 different upgrades for each unit... Actually I have a series of custom melee maps where I add as many fun upgrades as I can think of. One example is the Fire Suppression System.... LEVEL 2! Which instead of 2 bots healing your structures, it deploys "4 bots!". + Show Spoiler +
What I did is make two actors. One actor is the original Fire Suppression System. Another is a duplicated "except" I set the animation time to skip it's "Birth" or starting animation. I also made the animation skip 2 seconds (note, you can't skip the animation 2 seconds in if it does the usual "BSD" which is Birth, Stand, Death. You have to skip the Birth part of the animation. Since Stand is the meat of the animation, you have to make it so when the actor is created, it immediately starts at Stand)>
So when it activates, the second Fire Suppression System (the models of the bots) are on the opposite side of the regular Fire Suppression System bots (since I made it skip 2 seconds into the animation). This means that you can make it so 4 bots are spraying water in sync.
(Yep, no need for making a custom model at all. You can make 4 bots heal a structure by just having a second set of fire suppression bot actors skip 2 seconds or so into the animation.)
Anyway I talk about my "enhancement" of the original FSS upgrade because it's one of my favorite upgrades. Kudos to Blizzard on that one, I just like the concept of bots appearing out of no where and putting out all the fires on Terran structures.
Also there is an upgrade that allows Fire Suppression System to work from 50% HP to 100%.... Besides that, I like busting out old scrapped stuff like the return of the "Dark Pylon" which functions as a Shield Battery except for Energy. Also it has other abilities too.
I'd talk more about it but it sounds boring on paper but more fun in gameplay (honest >.>). When you see not "2" but "4!" Fire Suppression Bots spraying water, and repairing and healing a terran structure.... that's when thinks get real!
They could even just have some volunteer mappers do that if they wanted to (similar to how Valve has most of its Dota 2 items made by community members). (It's not the same thing but it is kind of close. Hmm I wonder if there are any games that has a large portion of something done by the community.)
Edit - It could be similar to Capcom's Street Fighter X Mega Man (it was fan made but Capcom really liked it, so they helped by releasing it and advertising it officially). Anyway the point is to draw in more people into SC2.
Edit 2 - I just thought of something. Fan community made missions (similar in WoL, with RPG elements where you gradually get better units and tech and branching options) that is "free to play" (maybe with more if you buy the game). Technically Blizzard has already done this. The "Starter Edition" already allows you to play some community made custom maps for free (all the featured ones are free to play). They just need to do it on a larger scale.
Again, the concept of SC2's single player really has a lot of potential. Again, there are lot of people that buy RTS (or RTS-like games) just for the SP.
The single player shouldn't teach players how to play MP, it should just be fun enough that they like the game and wonder what else is there (the next step is trying out the multiplayer maybe). Even if you can't make someone a regular SC2 player, maybe they can be made into a spectator of SC2 games at least (which helps the SC2 competitive scene by introducing more viewers).
On February 27 2013 15:33 Angel_ wrote: kerrigan is going to kill zeratul. I predict.
Also, very excited for the story if it doesn't turn into a typical blizzard "lets all align and fight the hybrids" shitfest.
Also also, i hope the actual gameplay of the campaign isnt as terrible as WoL (let's make a mission to showcase each unit - blarg)
So excited.
Hm.. I liked the mission dynamics, I liked how each mission had a different mechanic, rather than all missions just consisting of building up an army and steamrolling. It was a very enjoyable campaign.
And it's also very likely to go the way of "everyone aligns vs the enemy", Blizz just does that.
i liked that there was a decent amount of variance in some of the missions, and the objectives of the missions.
But for the large part, whatever unit was introduced you could just mass some of THAT unit and that was the entire point of the mission. "Hey this is the viking mission, check out how cool flying and landed vikings are". It didn't really teach you anything about the gameplay.
So, is it just me, or does it almost seem like Psi-blade Kerrigan is fighting Queen of Blades Kerrigan
At first I thought that was Zeratul but going frame-by-frame, the hands of her opponent do look like Queen of Blades Kerrigan.. and maybe a side boob shot. Hmmmmm??
It could be a case of when the overmind "rebuilt" Kerrigan, he realised that at some point in the future she might try and break away to become human again (as he would have known of the artifact himself). So retroactively he created many versions of Kerrigan/the queen of blades, so if one were to fall/turn human another would stand in it's place.
My theory is that it's a "dream" sequence.
We see a few scenes where Kerrigan is in an area with a Xel'Naga aesthetic with her breaking (free?) a crystal while Raynor stands in the back. Her eyes then change, possibly indicating that she goes feral. She then runs towards Raynor.. Although it isn't specified who she is attacking, I think it can be implied that it's Raynor even though we only get a slight glimpse at the victim. And of course, we see human Kerrigan fighting infested Kerrigan.
So I think this is a kind of internal dream sequence where the feral infested Kerrigan breaks free from her Xel'Naga prison that the Xel'Naga artifact from WoL had trapped her (spirit?) in. And then maybe Raynor's presence in this dream represents Kerrigan's love for Raynor or some stupid shit like that. So evil Kerrigan starts attacking Raynor, who is probably a dream Raynor since I don't expect the real Raynor to be heavily injured or killed yet. And then the fully human Kerrigan spirit comes out to defend dream Raynor and defeat the evil Kerrigan spirit.
The result is that the good Kerrigan defeats the evil Kerrigan that has been lying latent inside of her mind the entire time. This dream sequence is probably happening while Kerrigan is trying to get re-infested, possibly to regain as much power as she can so that she can best lead the Zerg in the upcoming fight against the Hybrids. Thus, the re-infested Kerrigan becomes a protagonist in the plot instead of becoming the queen bitch of the galaxy again.
And then everyone lived happily ever after.
The end.
This would totally suck. If this is anywhere near the truth, Chris Metzen would officially be an idiot. Brood War had like amazing complicated mature drama, with a lot of tragedy, where anyone was disposable. Sc2 - some cheesy good endings with bullshit 'heroes' and overall dumbed down characters.
Kerrigan has an internal fight between her zerg (id) and human (superego) sides. Zerg side wins. She attacks Zeratul. Jim Raynor takes the hit and dies. Next expansion.
First of all Zeratul > Artanis. So Zeratul can't die XD Besides, he's not the only Dark Templar around. So the one getting beat could be anyone really. This story will add some characters to the mix we don't really know about.
I agree Kerrigan seems to be fighting with herself. However, whether the "good" Kerrigan will prevail or not, who knows. Yeah Blizzard has gone cheesy-predictable lately. But we do know they also know how to do plot twists. Heart of the Swarm is ALL about Kerrigan and both her transformation and struggle between being a human and Zerg. A few cinematics won't tell us all we need to know.
I'm merely expressing faith that they revealed enough to want us to play and dive into the story, but not enough to spoil things.
We never knew Tychus would get killed. We never knew Tassadar would reappear or the news he was going to give. Heck aside from the leaked ending photo there was really no indication Kerrigan would turn human. Nor that Tosh would appear. Or Arcturus would be revealed as a tyrant to his Dominion.
So they know how to pull us in, but they dont really reveal the intricate plot twists and important information on trailers.
All that being said, I will contradict myself and say that Blizzard is more concerned on the multiplayer portion of the game, so it could be revealing the whole story in short snaps is of no concern to them. But Id rather not believe that XD
anyone else think the commentary of the show map was a bit like the commentators in FIFA? i know is tb and Apollo but it just reminds me as the prerecorded commentary
On February 27 2013 15:33 Angel_ wrote: kerrigan is going to kill zeratul. I predict.
Also, very excited for the story if it doesn't turn into a typical blizzard "lets all align and fight the hybrids" shitfest.
Also also, i hope the actual gameplay of the campaign isnt as terrible as WoL (let's make a mission to showcase each unit - blarg)
So excited.
Isn't Zeratul supposed to be the hero of LotV? How will that work then.
I guess that would depend on how much they develop Artanis' character. Or a yet unseen newer, younger protoss.
Nah. I think Artanis is set to be a big character later. The way Blizzard built him from a young Praetor to a hierach gives him a reason to live. Since Blizzard is quite cheesy to a degree lately, I see Artanis being the one to unite (with help of Zeratul and maybe Selendis) all the Protoss together to fight the threat.
On February 27 2013 15:33 Angel_ wrote: kerrigan is going to kill zeratul. I predict.
Also, very excited for the story if it doesn't turn into a typical blizzard "lets all align and fight the hybrids" shitfest.
Also also, i hope the actual gameplay of the campaign isnt as terrible as WoL (let's make a mission to showcase each unit - blarg)
So excited.
Isn't Zeratul supposed to be the hero of LotV? How will that work then.
I guess that would depend on how much they develop Artanis' character. Or a yet unseen newer, younger protoss.
Nah. I think Artanis is set to be a big character later. The way Blizzard built him from a young Praetor to a hierach gives him a reason to live. Since Blizzard is quite cheesy to a degree lately, I see Artanis being the one to unite (with help of Zeratul and maybe Selendis) all the Protoss together to fight the threat.
I wasn't suggesting that Artanis would die.
I'm saying Artanis could easily become the central hero for LoTV
On February 27 2013 15:33 Angel_ wrote: kerrigan is going to kill zeratul. I predict.
Also, very excited for the story if it doesn't turn into a typical blizzard "lets all align and fight the hybrids" shitfest.
Also also, i hope the actual gameplay of the campaign isnt as terrible as WoL (let's make a mission to showcase each unit - blarg)
So excited.
Isn't Zeratul supposed to be the hero of LotV? How will that work then.
I guess that would depend on how much they develop Artanis' character. Or a yet unseen newer, younger protoss.
Nah. I think Artanis is set to be a big character later. The way Blizzard built him from a young Praetor to a hierach gives him a reason to live. Since Blizzard is quite cheesy to a degree lately, I see Artanis being the one to unite (with help of Zeratul and maybe Selendis) all the Protoss together to fight the threat.
I wasn't suggesting that Artanis would die.
I'm saying Artanis could easily become the central hero for LoTV
LoTV is quite interesting as so far HoTS seems to be ending with The Swarm "being released" is some way. Protoss part being almost untouched, i'm more hyped for it than on HoTS itself. In Wing in the Protoss mini campaign there was a mission where all the Protoss united against the threat of the Swarm and hybrids. It was based on the propherecy so i guess resoults of action taken in HoTS the prophercy mission will go in a completly different way. Btw what happened to the zerg's main goal - assimilate Protoss to reach perfection? So far it was the Dominion that tried to bound those two races w/o any reason. Kerrigan seems to have completly abonded that idea focusing on Mengsk. In trailer, though, it seems that Kerrigan's psi powers are greatly increased as if she assimilated some Protoss or mayby an artefact. Anyway long way till the Void...
So, is it just me, or does it almost seem like Psi-blade Kerrigan is fighting Queen of Blades Kerrigan
At first I thought that was Zeratul but going frame-by-frame, the hands of her opponent do look like Queen of Blades Kerrigan.. and maybe a side boob shot. Hmmmmm??
It could be a case of when the overmind "rebuilt" Kerrigan, he realised that at some point in the future she might try and break away to become human again (as he would have known of the artifact himself). So retroactively he created many versions of Kerrigan/the queen of blades, so if one were to fall/turn human another would stand in it's place.
My theory is that it's a "dream" sequence.
We see a few scenes where Kerrigan is in an area with a Xel'Naga aesthetic with her breaking (free?) a crystal while Raynor stands in the back. Her eyes then change, possibly indicating that she goes feral. She then runs towards Raynor.. Although it isn't specified who she is attacking, I think it can be implied that it's Raynor even though we only get a slight glimpse at the victim. And of course, we see human Kerrigan fighting infested Kerrigan.
So I think this is a kind of internal dream sequence where the feral infested Kerrigan breaks free from her Xel'Naga prison that the Xel'Naga artifact from WoL had trapped her (spirit?) in. And then maybe Raynor's presence in this dream represents Kerrigan's love for Raynor or some stupid shit like that. So evil Kerrigan starts attacking Raynor, who is probably a dream Raynor since I don't expect the real Raynor to be heavily injured or killed yet. And then the fully human Kerrigan spirit comes out to defend dream Raynor and defeat the evil Kerrigan spirit.
The result is that the good Kerrigan defeats the evil Kerrigan that has been lying latent inside of her mind the entire time. This dream sequence is probably happening while Kerrigan is trying to get re-infested, possibly to regain as much power as she can so that she can best lead the Zerg in the upcoming fight against the Hybrids. Thus, the re-infested Kerrigan becomes a protagonist in the plot instead of becoming the queen bitch of the galaxy again.
And then everyone lived happily ever after.
The end.
This would totally suck. If this is anywhere near the truth, Chris Metzen would officially be an idiot. Brood War had like amazing complicated mature drama, with a lot of tragedy, where anyone was disposable. Sc2 - some cheesy good endings with bullshit 'heroes' and overall dumbed down characters.
After what they did with the D3 story and the mushy goop that was WoL, I'm kind of worried. BW had the best storyline of any RTS, it was sort of like Game of Thrones in space. This feels eerily reminiscent of the first Star Wars movies vs the new ones.
So, is it just me, or does it almost seem like Psi-blade Kerrigan is fighting Queen of Blades Kerrigan
At first I thought that was Zeratul but going frame-by-frame, the hands of her opponent do look like Queen of Blades Kerrigan.. and maybe a side boob shot. Hmmmmm??
It could be a case of when the overmind "rebuilt" Kerrigan, he realised that at some point in the future she might try and break away to become human again (as he would have known of the artifact himself). So retroactively he created many versions of Kerrigan/the queen of blades, so if one were to fall/turn human another would stand in it's place.
My theory is that it's a "dream" sequence.
We see a few scenes where Kerrigan is in an area with a Xel'Naga aesthetic with her breaking (free?) a crystal while Raynor stands in the back. Her eyes then change, possibly indicating that she goes feral. She then runs towards Raynor.. Although it isn't specified who she is attacking, I think it can be implied that it's Raynor even though we only get a slight glimpse at the victim. And of course, we see human Kerrigan fighting infested Kerrigan.
So I think this is a kind of internal dream sequence where the feral infested Kerrigan breaks free from her Xel'Naga prison that the Xel'Naga artifact from WoL had trapped her (spirit?) in. And then maybe Raynor's presence in this dream represents Kerrigan's love for Raynor or some stupid shit like that. So evil Kerrigan starts attacking Raynor, who is probably a dream Raynor since I don't expect the real Raynor to be heavily injured or killed yet. And then the fully human Kerrigan spirit comes out to defend dream Raynor and defeat the evil Kerrigan spirit.
The result is that the good Kerrigan defeats the evil Kerrigan that has been lying latent inside of her mind the entire time. This dream sequence is probably happening while Kerrigan is trying to get re-infested, possibly to regain as much power as she can so that she can best lead the Zerg in the upcoming fight against the Hybrids. Thus, the re-infested Kerrigan becomes a protagonist in the plot instead of becoming the queen bitch of the galaxy again.
And then everyone lived happily ever after.
The end.
This would totally suck. If this is anywhere near the truth, Chris Metzen would officially be an idiot. Brood War had like amazing complicated mature drama, with a lot of tragedy, where anyone was disposable. Sc2 - some cheesy good endings with bullshit 'heroes' and overall dumbed down characters.
After what they did with the D3 story and the mushy goop that was WoL, I'm kind of worried. BW had the best storyline of any RTS, it was sort of like Game of Thrones in space. This feels eerily reminiscent of the first Star Wars movies vs the new ones.
What's funny is that back then they had few tools like 'talking heads' and no in-game interractivity, yet they managed to create some sad, dark and powerful story. Now they have amazing cinematic department, in-game interractions between missions, books written just for SC2, and much much more, yet they still cant make as deep characters, which would have no 'right' choice anytime during the campaign.
I liked the trailer a lot actually, i just hope it keeps that sort of tone in the game.
On February 27 2013 21:36 Jenia6109 wrote: Trailer is awesome! But two notes: 1. Not an epic music for the Zerg theme 2. Too many spoilers
I don't see what spoilers are in the Trailer? That Kerrigan wants Revenge and turns somewhat on Raynor was clear, because a Zerg-Story wouldn't make much sense if Kerrigan was 100% human again.
On February 27 2013 21:36 Jenia6109 wrote: Trailer is awesome! But two notes: 1. Not an epic music for the Zerg theme 2. Too many spoilers
I don't see what spoilers are in the Trailer? That Kerrigan wants Revenge and turns somewhat on Raynor was clear, because a Zerg-Story wouldn't make much sense if Kerrigan was 100% human again.
1. Kerrigan fighting Raynor 2. Kerrigan's clone with psy-blades 3. Kerrigan's reincarnation on Zerus within a cocoon 4. Kerrigan destructs a Protoss relic. Most probably it's Zel Naga artefact from WoL 5. Kerrigan fights with Zeratul 6. Leaked ending is an actual ending
Yes, it doesn't explains everything but they are spoilers anyway.
Something that wasn't spoiled in trailer and i'm interested in: + Show Spoiler +
Question: didn't Blizzard say something about triggered cinematics in the missions themself, not only between them? they stated that they moved all the mission discussion to the missions itself too, but i'm not sure about the cinematics. that would explain some things, if those cinematics will happen in the middle of some missions.
About the storyline. While I understand and agree that it is very cliche, I don't understand why this is such an outrage, since this has been the case with Blizzard for the longest time. While original SC's campaign had a good storyline, it was nothing earthshattering, it was the degree of commitment to the characters what actually made it great, not the storyline per se. For example, the death of Tassadar was a freaking huge moment for me, because Tassadar was such a fucking badass, but the story structure wasn't too different from what we see today, aside the addition of really cheesy lines and themes.
That said, the story is probably going to be pretty epic, IF and only if they can get us to commit to the characters as much as we did to the previous cast. Zeratul is probably the biggest thing here, since out of the new characters we haven't met too many interesting people. I think the death of Matt Horner would be pretty touching.
As far as the campaign goes, I feel the mission structure in WoL was really, really, REALLY good. It was a huge step over the classic "build a huge base -> Stomp everything" structure in all RTS campaigns so far, maybe they could be less tailored for a given unit's effectiveness, because that means some units are mostly useless apart from their star missions.
I have high hopes for HotS and LotV, I think for all the shit Blizzard takes for their work on D3, and their money grabbing, they've done a good job with SC2, and I hope it continues to be that way.
I definitely don't like the direction the story seems to be going. I like evil Kerrigan much better than "because-I-had-to-Kerrigan". I was looking forward to decimating Terrans and Protoss just... because I'm a Zerg and that's what I do. But anyway, the writing was so bad in WoL that I really don't expect anything for the solo.
I have only one problem with that trailer. WoL launch trailer was awesome and... spoiled every epic moment in WoL cinematics. And I don't mean story-wise, I mean they hinted at 90% of bad-ass moments there, and after watching that trailer a million times (I mean, how could you not watch it a million times?) you didn't get any new OMGWTF moments, only a sense of familiarity. Heck, infiltratioin Valerian ship looked more bad ass in trailer than in actual game.
On February 28 2013 00:10 mordk wrote: I liked the trailer!... Very nicely done.
About the storyline. While I understand and agree that it is very cliche, I don't understand why this is such an outrage, since this has been the case with Blizzard for the longest time. While original SC's campaign had a good storyline, it was nothing earthshattering, it was the degree of commitment to the characters what actually made it great, not the storyline per se. For example, the death of Tassadar was a freaking huge moment for me, because Tassadar was such a fucking badass, but the story structure wasn't too different from what we see today, aside the addition of really cheesy lines and themes.
That said, the story is probably going to be pretty epic, IF and only if they can get us to commit to the characters as much as we did to the previous cast. Zeratul is probably the biggest thing here, since out of the new characters we haven't met too many interesting people. I think the death of Matt Horner would be pretty touching.
As far as the campaign goes, I feel the mission structure in WoL was really, really, REALLY good. It was a huge step over the classic "build a huge base -> Stomp everything" structure in all RTS campaigns so far, maybe they could be less tailored for a given unit's effectiveness, because that means some units are mostly useless apart from their star missions.
I have high hopes for HotS and LotV, I think for all the shit Blizzard takes for their work on D3, and their money grabbing, they've done a good job with SC2, and I hope it continues to be that way.
Just 10 years ago they did an amazing job with mostly the same team of people writing the WC3 story-line.
On February 28 2013 00:10 mordk wrote: I liked the trailer!... Very nicely done.
About the storyline. While I understand and agree that it is very cliche, I don't understand why this is such an outrage, since this has been the case with Blizzard for the longest time. While original SC's campaign had a good storyline, it was nothing earthshattering, it was the degree of commitment to the characters what actually made it great, not the storyline per se. For example, the death of Tassadar was a freaking huge moment for me, because Tassadar was such a fucking badass, but the story structure wasn't too different from what we see today, aside the addition of really cheesy lines and themes.
That said, the story is probably going to be pretty epic, IF and only if they can get us to commit to the characters as much as we did to the previous cast. Zeratul is probably the biggest thing here, since out of the new characters we haven't met too many interesting people. I think the death of Matt Horner would be pretty touching.
As far as the campaign goes, I feel the mission structure in WoL was really, really, REALLY good. It was a huge step over the classic "build a huge base -> Stomp everything" structure in all RTS campaigns so far, maybe they could be less tailored for a given unit's effectiveness, because that means some units are mostly useless apart from their star missions.
I have high hopes for HotS and LotV, I think for all the shit Blizzard takes for their work on D3, and their money grabbing, they've done a good job with SC2, and I hope it continues to be that way.
Just 10 years ago they did an amazing job with mostly the same team of people writing the WC3 story-line.
Men, the story might not be the best but it is for sure one of the most interesting for a RTS. I mean, starcraft it's still a RTS, do you know a RTS with a better story? (beside war 3 :D )
On February 28 2013 04:00 stichtom wrote: Men, the story might not be the best but it is for sure one of the most interesting for a RTS. I mean, starcraft it's still a RTS, do you know a RTS with a better story? (beside war 3 :D )
Question is why is their older stories so much are better than current ones. Or is it problem with ourselves, our expectations too high. Well in any case, it is blizz themselves who spoiled us.
On February 28 2013 04:00 stichtom wrote: Men, the story might not be the best but it is for sure one of the most interesting for a RTS. I mean, starcraft it's still a RTS, do you know a RTS with a better story? (beside war 3 :D )
I am very fond of the Age of Mythology campaign, a very nice take on ancient mythologies. It flows very well when using characters based on a Greek origin and taking them thru Egyptian and Norse mythology. The game Company of Heroes, and the subsequent expansions, had a nice story. I don't recall the first Dawn of War RTS being too shabby either.
I think Blizzard suffers from being Blizzard, when you're one of the most successful video game companies on the planet people tend to take your product in high esteems.
On February 28 2013 04:00 stichtom wrote: Men, the story might not be the best but it is for sure one of the most interesting for a RTS. I mean, starcraft it's still a RTS, do you know a RTS with a better story? (beside war 3 :D )
Question is why is their older stories so much are better than current ones. Or is it problem with ourselves, our expectations too high. Well in any case, it is blizz themselves who spoiled us.
You were younger, had lower standards and video games stories were jokes back then(this was the era of Duke Nukem). The first SC's story was not that impressive as a whole, but it was the first RTS to have a "good" story(by videogame standards). Being at the top of a very low pile is pretty easy.
Blizzard spoiled us by giving us 10 years being games, which means their previous games have enter go out of our minds and are fond memories. The flaws have been erased by time and we remember only the good parts, like everyone in a past relationship.
On February 28 2013 04:00 stichtom wrote: Men, the story might not be the best but it is for sure one of the most interesting for a RTS. I mean, starcraft it's still a RTS, do you know a RTS with a better story? (beside war 3 :D )
AoE 1/2 Cuz It's history xD. No seriously I enjoyed the AoE 2 campaigns so much and I actually learnt something that is useful in life
On February 28 2013 04:00 stichtom wrote: Men, the story might not be the best but it is for sure one of the most interesting for a RTS. I mean, starcraft it's still a RTS, do you know a RTS with a better story? (beside war 3 :D )
Question is why is their older stories so much are better than current ones. Or is it problem with ourselves, our expectations too high. Well in any case, it is blizz themselves who spoiled us.
You were younger, had lower standards and video games stories were jokes back then(this was the era of Duke Nukem). The first SC's story was not that impressive as a whole, but it was the first RTS to have a "good" story(by videogame standards). Being at the top of a very low pile is pretty easy.
Blizzard spoiled us by giving us 10 years being games, which means their previous games have enter go out of our minds and are fond memories. The flaws have been erased by time and we remember only the good parts, like everyone in a past relationship.
Exactly. I re booted SC:BW a while back, and while I had a blast as usual, the story was nowhere near as epic as I though the first time I played it.
EPT
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Coulda made for some good twists and character development. 
