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IEM Season 7 World Championship will be HotS - Page 7

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birchman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden393 Posts
February 15 2013 22:57 GMT
#121
Dope. Love seeing that HotS play!
Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback.
Archen
Profile Joined April 2012
United States79 Posts
February 15 2013 23:09 GMT
#122
For people saying its unfair for the players who have been practicing WoL, well its the player's fault for not practicing the new game. Not the tournaments. I don't see how it can ever be unfair when it was completely the players choice to practice WoL and not HOTS.
"Your soul will forever be lost in the void of a horse." - Liquid.Nony
gylka
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine50 Posts
February 15 2013 23:30 GMT
#123
imo, pretty bad decision competition wise. Whole year players've been playing WoL to qualify for main competition and it will be HotS, different game... And another thing is I know Kas and Snute were heavily practicing WoL for this tournament
and now they have to switch fast for HotS, when they actualy could do it much-much earlier.
And I dont see why people are happy about it... i mean, yeah, WoL is boring with imba shit-zerg stuff, but HotS right now is even worse... all we will see is hellbat-mine-supervac-void_ray bullshit. Actualy sad... I wanted Kas to win this
gylka
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine50 Posts
February 15 2013 23:32 GMT
#124
On February 16 2013 08:09 Archen wrote:
For people saying its unfair for the players who have been practicing WoL, well its the player's fault for not practicing the new game. Not the tournaments. I don't see how it can ever be unfair when it was completely the players choice to practice WoL and not HOTS.

Everyone assumed that if whole season it was WoL then Final IEM will be WoL, and noone said it's gonna be HotS till now...
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
February 15 2013 23:40 GMT
#125
On February 16 2013 08:09 Archen wrote:
For people saying its unfair for the players who have been practicing WoL, well its the player's fault for not practicing the new game. Not the tournaments. I don't see how it can ever be unfair when it was completely the players choice to practice WoL and not HOTS.

Yeah, shame on them because they actually wanted to do well and win games at IEM, they should have seen it coming and focused on everything but IEM.
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
February 15 2013 23:46 GMT
#126
Carmac is a genius! Will watch 100%
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
February 16 2013 00:13 GMT
#127
cool i might actually tune back into starcraft 2 for once
KingMel
Profile Joined July 2012
France120 Posts
February 16 2013 00:28 GMT
#128
GO VORTIX ! GO LUCIFRON ! GO STEPHANO !
absurd1883
Profile Joined February 2013
11 Posts
February 16 2013 00:30 GMT
#129
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RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
February 16 2013 00:54 GMT
#130
I'm not feeling it right for this. All your qualifier tournaments were WoL and now you end with HotS just to jump on the other tournament organizers? It just doesn't feel right.

IPL upheld it's principles and is hosting one last WoL even though it may draw less viewers. You gotta uphold principles, to keep it prestigious.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Soda-88
Profile Joined April 2012
Croatia476 Posts
February 16 2013 00:59 GMT
#131
On February 16 2013 08:46 dubRa wrote:
Carmac is a genius! Will watch 100%

No, Carmac is Dimaga.
zergtat
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Hong Kong853 Posts
February 16 2013 01:53 GMT
#132
I personally cannot agree with this decision, but understandable. WOL is coming to an end, however for this kind of major tournament switching from one game to another is not easy for both players and host organization to deal with, especially only less than 20 days left. Anyway GL to all players.
Z: SEn P: White-Ra T: Polt
kolofome
Profile Joined December 2010
United States96 Posts
February 16 2013 02:48 GMT
#133
fuk MLG 420

User was warned for this post
battlefield 3 is pretty damn fun
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
February 16 2013 02:57 GMT
#134
Honestly, HotS content is completely boring to me, so I'm no longer excited for this event. I can understand the change though and hope the event turns out well.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
February 16 2013 04:21 GMT
#135
On February 16 2013 08:09 Archen wrote:
For people saying its unfair for the players who have been practicing WoL, well its the player's fault for not practicing the new game. Not the tournaments. I don't see how it can ever be unfair when it was completely the players choice to practice WoL and not HOTS.

Well this would make sense...if it was not the tiny fact that HoTS has not be released. This is not like lets say IPL where the tournament is actually after the release.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 04:38:44
February 16 2013 04:36 GMT
#136
IEM has gone from a great last hurrah in the twillight of WoL, with excellent players deciding a tournament half a year in the making, to a who-will-win-the-coin-flip-freak-show. To me, as someone who enjoys watching SC2, this is a terrible "me first" move that disrespects the players and the game. I expected more.
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
February 16 2013 07:30 GMT
#137
It is such a bold move from ESL to forsake the single strong point they have compared to the other SC2 premier tournaments. Their flagship tournament's competitive value.

ESL always put competition first. Their qualifying system for each event was staggering with so many levels and multiple attempts for each player to qualify, ensuring the participating players are truly the best. It always had less invites compared to their flashy competitors, which seemed to base their invites on each player's amount of likes and followers, or the quality of their post-game ceremony.
This approach ultimately hurt them, with less hype and lower viewer counts for every one of their events.

However, it is time for business to come first. Competition will not get in the way this time. The chance to finally one-up MLG could not be passed. What's the worst thing that can happen? The casters will be forced to clench their teeth and cringe when tactics that only work on unbalanced yet-to-be released games win matches for $100,000?

And Blizzard... oh Blizzard. Did anyone seriously believe you would enforce any competitive value in the amazing eSports game you produced? We saw your eyes sparkle when ESL offered to sink at least $100k into your marketing campaigns for HotS. Your accountants will be happy. The fans who lost their passion for SC2:WoL will be happy. The players who qualified for IEM WC but did not care enough about it to stick to WoL will be happy as well. The rest of us, not so much.

ESL does so much to promote and build eSports from the ground up, with ridiculous amounts of prize money being handed out weekly in tournaments, available in all regions and levels. They promote eSports globally, by sending their premier event across the globe, visiting 4 continents in a single year.
This time, they chose business over competition. But we can't blame them for that, because Turtle Entertainment GmbH is firstly a business.

In 2 months we'll forget all about this. But in 2 years the lists of HotS champions will always have IEM as the first event.
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Ethi
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany275 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 09:39:06
February 16 2013 09:38 GMT
#138
Good move to make it HotS that early. I'm more interested to see the new game rather than watching the old one knowing the new would have also been possible.
azzih
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany98 Posts
February 16 2013 10:17 GMT
#139
I just dont care if its unfair for some players or if the balance isnt final at this point.

The only thing thats important for me is that i am entertained. WoL right now is so boring to watch and stuck in always the same tactics and mechanics. Getting to see new units and strategies will be much more fun to watch than seeing mass infestors and stupid immortal-sentry allins.
Germany
rj rl
Profile Joined May 2012
648 Posts
February 16 2013 12:38 GMT
#140
Carmac kill SC2 - he kunt!

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