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On January 21 2013 10:06 MichaelJLowell wrote:> Commits his time and energy to becoming good at one single video game, a slightly-above-average RTS. > Describes himself as a "low silver player". > Calls other people casual. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 09:13 kuruptt wrote:
Most people that play sc2 play it for competitive reasons. When money is on the line every edge counts and most people don't play sc2 for the "nice graphics". Thank you for not reading my post. This was addressed. The grand majority of the people playing this game will never taste any level of play where "I gotta win this tournament so I can feed my family" trumps visually pleasing graphics. You are included in that group. The sooner you recognize this, the more interesting your game experience will be.
I am an silver player in sc2 yes, because this is only my FIRST week of sc2 ever. It does not mean I am not competitve and successful in OTHER games where I play to win. Sorry if winning isn't fun to you and you play these games for graphics. All your posts reak of casual. It makes no sense to me why you wouldn't want to get an edge in a video game where winning is EVERYTHING, not "nice graphics". Do you have fun losing?
Also, using greentext outside an anime anonymous forum on TL.net. Enough said. Please don't post your casual input in a competitive sc2 forum.
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All low because all the cool people do it that way
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On January 21 2013 06:30 MichaelJLowell wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 06:08 MichaelDonovan wrote:
Casual perspective on a competitive game. Lol. Let's replace all the in-game models with crudely-shaped, single-color, low-poly game models, because that will make them more visually distinctive and easier to manipulate towards positive ends. That will make the game more immersive. Do you know how much of an idiot you sound like? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 06:10 zhurai wrote:
maybe if you're playing for screwing around rather than getting better... maybe You play the game (and all games) because it is supposed to be enjoyable. Satisfying, visceral visual feedback should be a chief goal of any good real-time strategy game. If you are lowering the graphical settings for the purpose of "getting better", you are doing it at a detriment to your own enjoyment of the game. This is something that really should have stopped when players were doing it in Quake III Arena, or Unreal Tournament, or whatever game community pioneered it.
your really arguing this on a starcraft website ?
MichaelJLowell from my perspective your the idiot
silver or not Kurrupt is spot on here !
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"the best way" to play sc2 and to see everything clearly.. is to Have everything set to LOW
except TEXTURE QUALITY and EFFECTS
as shown in this picture Here.
this way u can easily spot observers ghosts and Dts, especially if its on creep and your zerg.
and it gives even more performance, i can play on Extreme gfx but i prefer this
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On January 21 2013 06:30 MichaelJLowell wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 06:08 MichaelDonovan wrote:
Casual perspective on a competitive game. Lol. Let's replace all the in-game models with crudely-shaped, single-color, low-poly game models, because that will make them more visually distinctive and easier to manipulate towards positive ends. That will make the game more immersive. Do you know how much of an idiot you sound like? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 06:10 zhurai wrote:
maybe if you're playing for screwing around rather than getting better... maybe You play the game (and all games) because it is supposed to be enjoyable. Satisfying, visceral visual feedback should be a chief goal of any good real-time strategy game. If you are lowering the graphical settings for the purpose of "getting better", you are doing it at a detriment to your own enjoyment of the game. This is something that really should have stopped when players were doing it in Quake III Arena, or Unreal Tournament, or whatever game community pioneered it.
I am a casual player dicking around and I would take the crude graphics in a heartbeat. I don't care about immersion and I don't care about shiny graphics.
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On January 21 2013 10:06 MichaelJLowell wrote:> Commits his time and energy to becoming good at one single video game, a slightly-above-average RTS. > Describes himself as a "low silver player". > Calls other people casual. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 09:13 kuruptt wrote:
Most people that play sc2 play it for competitive reasons. When money is on the line every edge counts and most people don't play sc2 for the "nice graphics". Thank you for not reading my post. This was addressed. The grand majority of the people playing this game will never taste any level of play where "I gotta win this tournament so I can feed my family" trumps visually pleasing graphics. You are included in that group. The sooner you recognize this, the more interesting your game experience will be.
Don't fucking greentext outside of 4chan.
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On January 21 2013 10:14 DusTerr wrote:
Lowering the graphics so you can see something important better is exactly the same as lowering graphics so your computer can run the game "better". The fault lies with the art designers, not the end users.
I will agree that Blizzard is at fault for even giving players that opening. Would I still pursue that choice? Would I pursue, for instance, a glitch which crashes any match and gives me an instant win? No. I'll pursue the choice that makes the game the most appealing to play. Part of that is trusting the developer's artistic vision and not tampering with their vision as outlined in the "optimal settings".
And in reference to a lousy framerate, people lower their graphics settings because a bad framerate actively compromises the game experience, and a substandard game experience is better than what we would today consider to be "unplayable". (The days where people would tolerate ten frames-per-second have long, long passed.) The minute gains that come with being able to more accurately discern the outlines of invisible units are mental blocks in the player's head.
On January 21 2013 10:14 DusTerr wrote:
Secondly, how does any of this apply to other games such as basketball or darts?
Just like in athletics, the act of performing and playing is the means to making the scoreboard go up, to the goal of winning. It is not the other way around. The act of pleasure is derived from playing, not winning, even if winning can be fun.
On January 21 2013 10:31 kuruptt wrote:
Do you have fun losing?
In StarCraft II? For me, losing stopped being fun roughly two years ago, when it was obvious that the game was fundamentally flawed in the single-player game modes and unplayable in the team game modes. However, amazingly enough, winning stopped being fun around roughly the same time. When that happened, I did what any intelligent video game player would do: Found better real-time strategy games to play.
On January 21 2013 10:31 kuruptt wrote:
Also, using greentext outside an anime anonymous forum on TL.net. Enough said. Please don't post your casual input in a competitive sc2 forum.
> "casual input"
> has been playing starcraft ii for a week
> thinks he knows more about RTS games than someone who has been playing them for 20 years
On January 21 2013 10:42 ToguRo wrote:
your the idiot
Lol. I'm out.
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People are talking as if programmers or designers are able to program the most optimal ways. They're human, too, after all.
For example, if you think graphics performance doesn't matter or the graphics should be at the highest settings to "realize the designer's intention," try maxing out with units under the Mothership cloak with Ultra everything. It doesn't matter if you have a 5 GHz CPU. Your FPS will be at 10's. That's after the patch that Blizzard tried to lessen the performance tax.
Hell, why not add 8xSSAA and get a 30" monitor to immerse yourself in the SC2 universe.. at ~30 FPS. xD
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You are still green texting outside a ANIME ANONYMOUS WEBSITE. How aspie can you get? Good job on playing a better RTS when sc2 has possibly the highest skill ceiling of any game at the moment. Yes you are casual. You are complaining about sc2 in an SC2 COMPETITIVE forum. If you stopped playing why do you still lurk these forums? Pretty sure we can all safely say you are bad at this game if you can't understand a simple concept of playing to win by any means. Pretty done with you, please go back to 4chan and green text there. Actually, don't even go to 4chan anymore as people like you are the ones that don't make 4chan "cool" anymore by doing shit like this outside of where it originated from. Do you even rule 1 and 2?
Edit: I just read the guys quote and it says he is known as a "troll" Don't know why I didn't see this before =D
"the best way" to play sc2 and to see everything clearly.. is to Have everything set to LOW
except TEXTURE QUALITY and EFFECTS
as shown in this picture Here.
this way u can easily spot observers ghosts and Dts, especially if its on creep and your zerg.
and it gives even more performance, i can play on Extreme gfx but i prefer this
I still have doubts about effects doing anything to cloaked units. I will have to test it more for this option. The best option as I have tested to see cloaked units is to have everything on low EXCEPT texture quality shaders and models. This is detailed in the Hybridic settings thread.
I really do need to test effects though. I am just leavnig it on low right now until someone can come and show me that effects make a good enough difference.
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I mean, the OP asked for a specific knowledge. Help him if you can, but don't preach.
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On January 21 2013 11:26 MichaelJLowell wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 10:14 DusTerr wrote:
Lowering the graphics so you can see something important better is exactly the same as lowering graphics so your computer can run the game "better". The fault lies with the art designers, not the end users. I will agree that Blizzard is at fault for even giving players that opening. Would I still pursue that choice? Would I pursue, for instance, a glitch which crashes any match and gives me an instant win? No. I'll pursue the choice that makes the game the most appealing to play. Part of that is trusting the developer's artistic vision and not tampering with their vision as outlined in the "optimal settings". And in reference to a lousy framerate, people lower their graphics settings because a bad framerate actively compromises the game experience, and a substandard game experience is better than what we would today consider to be "unplayable". (The days where people would tolerate ten frames-per-second have long, long passed.) The minute gains that come with being able to more accurately discern the outlines of invisible units are mental blocks in the player's head. On January 21 2013 10:14 DusTerr wrote:
Secondly, how does any of this apply to other games such as basketball or darts? Just like in athletics, the act of performing and playing is the means to making the scoreboard go up, to the goal of winning. It is not the other way around. The act of pleasure is derived from playing, not winning, even if winning can be fun. On January 21 2013 10:31 kuruptt wrote:
Do you have fun losing? In StarCraft II? For me, losing stopped being fun roughly two years ago, when it was obvious that the game was fundamentally flawed in the single-player game modes and unplayable in the team game modes. However, amazingly enough, winning stopped being fun around roughly the same time. When that happened, I did what any intelligent video game player would do: Found better real-time strategy games to play. On January 21 2013 10:31 kuruptt wrote:
Also, using greentext outside an anime anonymous forum on TL.net. Enough said. Please don't post your casual input in a competitive sc2 forum. > "casual input" > has been playing starcraft ii for a week > thinks he knows more about RTS games than someone who has been playing them for 20 years On January 21 2013 10:42 ToguRo wrote:
your the idiot Lol. I'm out.
>using le meme arrows
>not on le 9gag
I facepalm hard whenever I see people do this
You do realize that TL has a quote function already, don't you?
Or maybe you could just reformat what you are going to say to make it actually make sense on this forum?
Oh wait, that would take time and effort, and we all know that TL is a low-quality forum where nobody cares enough to put any time and effort into anything.+ Show Spoiler +it's times like this when I wish I could sage on TL lol...
OT: I personally use medium because it is a really good balance between having the game run well and having the game look good, which is actually a pretty huge part of the game for a casual player like myself.
Also, the difference in how the game looks is honestly not that much when you compare how medium looks vs how ultra/high look, especially if you keep textures at ultra.
Low looks like shit though lol...
I also have a pretty decent computer (2500k @ 4.2ghz and 2 6870s) so I can't say putting my settings to low gives a good enough performance increase over medium, especially not enough of an increase to make up for how bad the game looks when you put it on low.
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Lol people just ignore the trolls and move on. Like usethis2 said, no need to preach.
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On January 21 2013 10:06 MichaelJLowell wrote:> Commits his time and energy to becoming good at one single video game, a slightly-above-average RTS. > Describes himself as a "low silver player". > Calls other people casual. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 09:13 kuruptt wrote:
Most people that play sc2 play it for competitive reasons. When money is on the line every edge counts and most people don't play sc2 for the "nice graphics". Thank you for not reading my post. This was addressed. The grand majority of the people playing this game will never taste any level of play where "I gotta win this tournament so I can feed my family" trumps visually pleasing graphics. You are included in that group. The sooner you recognize this, the more interesting your game experience will be.
greentexts on TL :/
Personally I play SC2 for the competitive aspect, I expect to win nothing monetary wise for the game but get sheer enjoyment out of the competition with others; I don't derive my fun from playing the game like a casual, I actually get enjoyment out of knowing I have improved and am winning where before I lost before. If low graphics settings achieve that then low graphics settings I will use.
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Low graphics work for me. Because there is less unnecessary stuff and lighting around.
In addition it gives better fps which helps me to micro in intense battles.
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